iOS 15 adoption rate appears to be lagging behind past updates

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  • Reply 41 of 44
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    elijahg said:
    I had nothing but issues with iOS 15 since launch and when people asked I told them to wait. I’ve never told people to wait until iOS 15. This version has been the buggiest I can recall in years. People realized this, along with it being optional is probably why. 
    No. Anecdotes mean nothing.
    Nor do your posts. Doesn't matter what it is you'll attack anyone who has a remotely balanced opinion and claim Apple is always the saint.
    No he’s right, there is no data that says 1) iOS 15 is buggy, or 2) that normals aren’t upgrading because of it. Present your data if you have it. Anecdotes are meaningless. I’ve had zero issues, on a household of devices…so does my anecdote defeat your anecdote?

    Anyway you sound butthurt and hyper sensitive to Apple product fans on an…Apple site. Show us where on the doll Apple hurt you. 
    This is a message board, a place for conversation, not a place where every opinion and anecdote needs to be backed up by hard data.  No need to be so aggressive at someone sharing their view.

    I've found iOS 15 to be pretty much fine, but I have little doubt that others experiences may have varied.
    Agressive? Lol. That guy goes after anyone who he feels "defends" Apple, on...an Apple site. Nevermind that discussing the value proposition provided by a company and its products isn't "defending" it. So yeah, he does sound hyper-sensitive and butthurt. 

    As for the citations -- if you make the claim that people aren't doing X because of Y, be prepared to defend the claim, and cite your data. Otherwise you're just making stuff up and pretending. Sure if that's what you want to do, go for it...but don't be surprised when people point that out.
    You're suggesting that crazyexcalibur is making up their experience with iOS 15?  That's what I mean by aggressive, completely uncalled for accusations of dishonesty, alongside Williamlondon's terse dismissal of their experience.

    They're entitled to their opinion, and you're entitled to say that you don't think there's broader evidence to support their experience being common, but saying that they're making stuff up and pretending is aggressive and rude.
    Nope, never claimed that -- another straw man argument (Boy some you can't get enough of those!). You're getting confused or having trouble following along. So a refresher... crazyexcalibur claimed 1) iOS 15 is buggier than other versions. 2) That's why people aren't updating. Right here in post #6:

    This version has been the buggiest I can recall in years. People realized this, along with it being optional is probably why. 

    ...then came discussion challenging these two claims, asking for citations, pointing out that personal anecdotes don't make claims true, etc. I haven't seen anyone claim he didn't experience issues. Certainly not me. 

    Later, in post #29, I said to you -- if you want a free-form place where people make claims without evidence, then you want a place where people just pretend whatever claim they make is true just because they said it. If that's what you want, go for it...but don't be surprised when people point out the claims are unsubstantiated. 

    I'm still waiting to see this non-anecdotal evidence that 1) iOS 15 is buggier than other versions. 2) That's why people aren't updating. I'm beginning to think I won't see it tho.

    Anyway, there's only so much time in the day for silliness. I'm at my limit for this thread...Have a great weekend!
    People having opinions based on their experiences isn't "pretend(ing) whatever claim they make is true just because they said it".

    Crazyexcalibur has found iOS 15 to be the buggiest they can recall in years.  Nothing to dispute there, their experience and their opinion.  "
    People realized this, along with it being optional is probably why" is speculation based on that experience and opinion.  Again, absolutely fine, anyone can speculate, and there's no suggestion that crazyexcalibur has any more insight into this than anyone else, it's just a reckon.

    None of this requires evidence or citations, not in the casual way it's being offered as part of a conversation.  Again, I don't share crazyexcalibur's opinion, but this approach of shitting on them for "making stuff up and pretending" (which it is now very unclear what you're talking about, if you're accusing me of straw men for repeating your 
    words) is odious, hyper defensive, and flat out rude.

    Think about how you speak to people please, and maybe this place could be a nicer place to hang out.  Just because someone isn't as big a fan of Apple as you are doesn't make them a bad person, and you don't need to bombastically prove how big a fan of Apple you are in every post.
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  • Reply 42 of 44
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,340member
    elijahg said:
    crowley said:
    “ It's likely that the reduced adoption rates are because of a change in Apple's update stance. The company is no longer forcing users to install the latest operating system version to gain important security updates.”

    99.9% off the reason.

    “Apple's set of iOS 15 features -- including the controversial-but-delayed CSAM detection system -- may also be playing a part.”

    0.1% of the reason.
    Agree.  Why would a feature that most people don't know or care about and that was pulled be paying a part?
    Because people don't trust that Apple isn't doing it anyway due to the entirely out-of-the-blue way they announced it? That said I was on Big Sur until about a week ago. There was nothing compelling enough for me to spend days fixing things after they break as Apple deprecates random core bits of the OS.
    Why on earth would I be worried about CSAM fingerprint scanning for child rape images in iCloud Photos, even if they turned it on tomorrow? There is no reason to worry about this, since Apple already does it server-side on their iCloud servers, as do Google, Microsoft, Dropbox, etc.

    If I had child rape photos and didn’t want them to report them to police, I’d disable iCloud Photos. 

    I’m much more interested in the E2E encryption I’ll get when this eventually rolls out. That offers me value. Worrying about child rape porn? Not a concern.

    It may “technically” be E2E, as long as you disregard the the watchdog that is not yours at your front door.  Even then, it will not be true E2E… remove the thresholds and ability to report to someone else outside of the senders intended parties, then it will be true E2E.
    Incorrect. Sorry but you're speaking from ignorance here. Deploying 100% E2E is exactly why Apple designed on-device child rape CSAM scanning. It scans on the device because once it gets synced to iCloud, they can't scan it there because...encrypted.
    Citation? Anything Apple has said that even hints that's true? If ya got nuthin' just say so. To use your own quote "Otherwise you're just making stuff up and pretending. Sure if that's what you want to do, go for it..."
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  • Reply 43 of 44
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    gatorguy said:
    elijahg said:
    crowley said:
    “ It's likely that the reduced adoption rates are because of a change in Apple's update stance. The company is no longer forcing users to install the latest operating system version to gain important security updates.”

    99.9% off the reason.

    “Apple's set of iOS 15 features -- including the controversial-but-delayed CSAM detection system -- may also be playing a part.”

    0.1% of the reason.
    Agree.  Why would a feature that most people don't know or care about and that was pulled be paying a part?
    Because people don't trust that Apple isn't doing it anyway due to the entirely out-of-the-blue way they announced it? That said I was on Big Sur until about a week ago. There was nothing compelling enough for me to spend days fixing things after they break as Apple deprecates random core bits of the OS.
    Why on earth would I be worried about CSAM fingerprint scanning for child rape images in iCloud Photos, even if they turned it on tomorrow? There is no reason to worry about this, since Apple already does it server-side on their iCloud servers, as do Google, Microsoft, Dropbox, etc.

    If I had child rape photos and didn’t want them to report them to police, I’d disable iCloud Photos. 

    I’m much more interested in the E2E encryption I’ll get when this eventually rolls out. That offers me value. Worrying about child rape porn? Not a concern.
    It may “technically” be E2E, as long as you disregard the the watchdog that is not yours at your front door.  Even then, it will not be true E2E… remove the thresholds and ability to report to someone else outside of the senders intended parties, then it will be true E2E.
    Incorrect. Sorry but you're speaking from ignorance here. Deploying 100% E2E is exactly why Apple designed on-device child rape CSAM scanning. It scans on the device because once it gets synced to iCloud, they can't scan it there because...encrypted.
    Citation? Anything Apple has said that even hints that's true? If ya got nuthin' just say so. To use your own quote "Otherwise you're just making stuff up and pretending. Sure if that's what you want to do, go for it..."
    As far as I'm aware Apple have not made any announcement about end to end encryption of iCloud Photo Libraries.  So it's just speculation as to Apple's motives at this point.
    ctt_zhmuthuk_vanalingamelijahg
  • Reply 44 of 44
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,340member
    crowley said:
    gatorguy said:
    elijahg said:
    crowley said:
    “ It's likely that the reduced adoption rates are because of a change in Apple's update stance. The company is no longer forcing users to install the latest operating system version to gain important security updates.”

    99.9% off the reason.

    “Apple's set of iOS 15 features -- including the controversial-but-delayed CSAM detection system -- may also be playing a part.”

    0.1% of the reason.
    Agree.  Why would a feature that most people don't know or care about and that was pulled be paying a part?
    Because people don't trust that Apple isn't doing it anyway due to the entirely out-of-the-blue way they announced it? That said I was on Big Sur until about a week ago. There was nothing compelling enough for me to spend days fixing things after they break as Apple deprecates random core bits of the OS.
    Why on earth would I be worried about CSAM fingerprint scanning for child rape images in iCloud Photos, even if they turned it on tomorrow? There is no reason to worry about this, since Apple already does it server-side on their iCloud servers, as do Google, Microsoft, Dropbox, etc.

    If I had child rape photos and didn’t want them to report them to police, I’d disable iCloud Photos. 

    I’m much more interested in the E2E encryption I’ll get when this eventually rolls out. That offers me value. Worrying about child rape porn? Not a concern.
    It may “technically” be E2E, as long as you disregard the the watchdog that is not yours at your front door.  Even then, it will not be true E2E… remove the thresholds and ability to report to someone else outside of the senders intended parties, then it will be true E2E.
    Incorrect. Sorry but you're speaking from ignorance here. Deploying 100% E2E is exactly why Apple designed on-device child rape CSAM scanning. It scans on the device because once it gets synced to iCloud, they can't scan it there because...encrypted.
    Citation? Anything Apple has said that even hints that's true? If ya got nuthin' just say so. To use your own quote "Otherwise you're just making stuff up and pretending. Sure if that's what you want to do, go for it..."
    As far as I'm aware Apple have not made any announcement about end to end encryption of iCloud Photo Libraries.  So it's just speculation as to Apple's motives at this point.
    I already knew that. He was just so hard on a member whose opinion didn't match his, demanding proof and ridiculing him for not having it, I thought what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

    Hypocritical commenters .....
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