Just *why* are we at war in Iraq?

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  • Reply 61 of 306
    scottscott Posts: 7,431member
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    Originally posted by giant

    Like when they said aluminum tubes were for an Iraqi nuclear program. Except that was the anti-american right.





    I guess that's yet to be proven.



    Here's another lie that the left repeats until "true". The US gave $300M to the Taliban. 100% false yet repeated over and over.
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  • Reply 62 of 306
    giantgiant Posts: 6,041member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Scott

    I guess that's yet to be proven.



    True. Just like the theory that the sun revolves around the earth has yet to be proven.



    Quote:

    Here's another lie that the left repeats until "true". The US gave $300M to the Taliban. 100% false yet repeated over and over.



    Here's another lie that the anti-american right repeats until 'true:' Iraq tried to obtain uranium from an African country. 100% false yet repeated over and over.
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  • Reply 63 of 306
    scottscott Posts: 7,431member
    I think that's yet to be prove too. Pardon me if I don't take the "UN"'s word for it.
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  • Reply 64 of 306
    giantgiant Posts: 6,041member
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    Originally posted by Scott

    I think that's yet to be prove too. Pardon me if I don't take the "UN"'s word for it.



    Here's a hint.



    Keep diggin that hole.
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  • Reply 65 of 306
    sammi josammi jo Posts: 4,634member
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    Originally posted by Eugene

    Actually, SJO insinuated that the gas attacks were of Iranian origin because of the type of gas used. Of course that really wouldn't make any sense since the victims were sympathetic to Iran...But people tend to spew alarmist conspiracy theories (no matter how ridiculous) ... whatever it takes to stick it to whomever



    The point isn't so much whether it was Iraq or Iran who gassed the Kurds. There are facts to support both sides of the argument, but the media and the administration has indelibly carved out the popular perception that Iraq was the sole culprit. This emotionally loaded issue has been misrepresented to sell the war to the US public. Even if it was Iraq that was responsible, this horrendous activity occured at the end of the Iraq-Iran war...a period when the Saddam Hussein was allied to the United States.
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  • Reply 66 of 306
    scottscott Posts: 7,431member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by giant

    Here's a hint.



    Keep diggin that hole.




    Yea I think you'll be diggin' out of one when everything is known.
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  • Reply 67 of 306
    groveratgroverat Posts: 10,872member
    Noam Chomsky told me that it was "undoubtedly true" that Iraq gassed its own civilians.



    That jingoist bastard.
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  • Reply 68 of 306
    midwintermidwinter Posts: 10,060member
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    Originally posted by groverat

    Noam Chomsky told me that it was "undoubtedly true" that Iraq gassed its own civilians.



    That jingoist bastard.




    If that's the reason we're invading, then we've got a hell of a lot more invading to do once we're done in Iraq.



    Cheers

    Scott
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  • Reply 69 of 306
    m1911a1m1911a1 Posts: 24member
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  • Reply 70 of 306
    danmacmandanmacman Posts: 773member
    An interesting read for you lefties.
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  • Reply 71 of 306
    midwintermidwinter Posts: 10,060member
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    Originally posted by DanMacMan

    An interesting read for you lefties.



    No. It's really not. And I read it. A far better read for YOU would be McGovern's "The Case for Liberalism" from Harper's a few months ago. Your local public library will have a copy.



    Cheers

    Scott
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  • Reply 72 of 306
    danmacmandanmacman Posts: 773member
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    Originally posted by giant

    Move along, DanMacMan, until you learn what the words evidence and documentation mean.



    The articles I linked to are no different in their use of evidence than are the various leftist articles written that quote certain "un-named inside informants" that defame our President and his Administration.
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  • Reply 73 of 306
    midwintermidwinter Posts: 10,060member
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    Originally posted by DanMacMan

    The articles I linked to are no different in their use of evidence than are the various leftist articles written that quote certain "un-named inside informants" that defame our President and his Administration.



    Oh but it is. It's a propagandistic piece of drivel masquerading as journalism. It's jingoism. It's dishonest.



    I don't feel like parsing the whole thing for you (I will, if you ask).



    As for your so-called "leftist articles . . . that defame our President and his Administration," I'm assuming you think that "defaming the President and his Administration" is a bad thing? Or that it's unpatriotic to do so? Seriously. I want to know the answer.



    Cheers

    Scott
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  • Reply 74 of 306
    danmacmandanmacman Posts: 773member
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    Originally posted by midwinter

    Seriously. I want to know the answer.



    I don't claim them as unpatriotic, just that they are simply written out of the utter distaste for President Bush, and for no other reason.
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  • Reply 75 of 306
    groveratgroverat Posts: 10,872member
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    Originally posted by midwinter

    If that's the reason we're invading, then we've got a hell of a lot more invading to do once we're done in Iraq.



    Of course that's not the reason, I was just responding to SJO's conspiracy theories.
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  • Reply 76 of 306
    midwintermidwinter Posts: 10,060member
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    Originally posted by groverat

    Of course that's not the reason, I was just responding to SJO's conspiracy theories.



    I know. I was just ribbin' you.



    We're invading to defend freedom, right?
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  • Reply 77 of 306
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
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    Originally posted by stupider...likeafox

    When you say 'we' are you saying that you are one of Bush's oil and war cronies or are you naively assuming that this war is being waged for the benefit of the American people?



    Correct, I'm a Texas oil tycoon.
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  • Reply 78 of 306
    midwintermidwinter Posts: 10,060member
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    Originally posted by DanMacMan

    I don't claim them as unpatriotic, just that they are simply written out of the utter distaste for President Bush, and for no other reason.



    Really? Are you sure? You don't even see your own rhetoric here, do you? These lefties, they're so infantile, so lacking in ideas, so intellectually dishonest, that they attack the president simply because they don't like him. And that's childish, you know.



    It can't have anything to do with politics. They're just acting like little kids.



    By the way, you didn't answer my question. It was this:



    Quote:

    As for your so-called "leftist articles . . . that defame our President and his Administration," I'm assuming you think that "defaming the President and his Administration" is a bad thing? Or that it's unpatriotic to do so? Seriously. I want to know the answer.



    Cheers

    Scott
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  • Reply 79 of 306
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
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    Originally posted by sammi jo

    The point isn't so much whether it was Iraq or Iran who gassed the Kurds. There are facts to support both sides of the argument, but the media and the administration has indelibly carved out the popular perception that Iraq was the sole culprit. This emotionally loaded issue has been misrepresented to sell the war to the US public. Even if it was Iraq that was responsible, this horrendous activity occured at the end of the Iraq-Iran war...a period when the Saddam Hussein was allied to the United States.



    And what do past alliances have to do with current events? The United States was allied against Japan and Germany once upon a time.
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  • Reply 80 of 306
    midwintermidwinter Posts: 10,060member
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    Originally posted by Eugene

    And what do past alliances have to do with current events? The United States was allied against Japan and Germany once upon a time.



    Past alliances make us complicit in past atrocities, and past atrocities are at least part of the justification for current events.



    Cheers

    Scott
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