EU votes to back Right to Repair proposals

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The European Union has taken a further step toward implementing Right to Repair laws, with the latest vote backing proposals regarding repairability, and adding a requirement that manufacturers increase the warranty periods.




Proposals for Right to Repair legislation have been working through the EU's political process since 2020, but a major element has now passed a plenary vote.

According to Public Affairs Brussels, the European Parliament voted 509 in favor, with three against, and 13 abstentions, to adopt the European Commission's proposal and make it an EU key initiative for 2022.

The full proposal presented to Parliament, 79% of EU citizens think manufacturers should be required to make it easier to repair devices, or replace individual parts. Some 77% would rather repair their devices than replace them.

The proposed laws include a requirement for companies regarding "an extension of the legal guarantee beyond two years for some product categories."

"We believe that longer guarantee periods will provide an incentive to choose repair over replace," Marcel Kolaja, Member of both the European Parliament and the Committee on the Internal Market and Consumer Protection told press.

Such an extension would fall under the aegis of the EU's separate Sale of Goods Directive, which is also currently under review. The European Commission says it will consider introducing the Right to Repair proposals into legislation in the third quarter of 2022.

Perhaps in response to the EU's long ongoing right to repair plans, and those of the US too, Apple announced the 2022 launch of a Self Service Repair program for users. It has yet to see the light of day beyond the announcement, nearly five months later

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  • Reply 1 of 21
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,975member
    Excellent news. Now it's time for 'design for repair'.

    The warranty extension is a great idea but there will be devils in the details for sure, just as there are at the moment. 

    The first industry to get this treatment will probably be the textile industry with requirements for longer lasting garments. 

    Another great move, away from the 'use and wash three times' and throw away. 

    muthuk_vanalingamlam92103elijahgdarkvaderAlex_Vgrandact73
  • Reply 2 of 21
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    avon b7 said:
    Excellent news. Now it's time for 'design for repair'.

    The warranty extension is a great idea but there will be devils in the details for sure, just as there are at the moment. 

    The first industry to get this treatment will probably be the textile industry with requirements for longer lasting garments. 

    Another great move, away from the 'use and wash three times' and throw away. 

    Design for repair? Can’t wait to see an iPhone designed by the EU, can you?
    bshankwatto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 21
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,975member
    lkrupp said:
    avon b7 said:
    Excellent news. Now it's time for 'design for repair'.

    The warranty extension is a great idea but there will be devils in the details for sure, just as there are at the moment. 

    The first industry to get this treatment will probably be the textile industry with requirements for longer lasting garments. 

    Another great move, away from the 'use and wash three times' and throw away. 

    Design for repair? Can’t wait to see an iPhone designed by the EU, can you?
    It wouldn't be designed by the EU. Each manufacturer would simply have to take into account certain aspects that would facilitate repair or enhancement. 
    muthuk_vanalingamgatorguyelijahgdarkvaderK!llSwitchAlex_Vspheric
  • Reply 4 of 21
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    avon b7 said:
    lkrupp said:
    avon b7 said:
    Excellent news. Now it's time for 'design for repair'.

    The warranty extension is a great idea but there will be devils in the details for sure, just as there are at the moment. 

    The first industry to get this treatment will probably be the textile industry with requirements for longer lasting garments. 

    Another great move, away from the 'use and wash three times' and throw away. 

    Design for repair? Can’t wait to see an iPhone designed by the EU, can you?
    It wouldn't be designed by the EU. Each manufacturer would simply have to take into account certain aspects that would facilitate repair or enhancement. 
    Really? Not a chance. Like Denmark and dating app alternate payment demands, Apple will come out with a design they say meets the EU’s “Right to Repair” standards. The EU will say no it doesn’t and start fining Apple until it does. How’s that not the government designing a device?
    edited April 2022 jony0watto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 21
    lam92103lam92103 Posts: 144member
    Wow. Thats amazing. 
    elijahg
  • Reply 6 of 21
    avon b7 said:
    Excellent news. Now it's time for 'design for repair'.

    The warranty extension is a great idea but there will be devils in the details for sure, just as there are at the moment. 

    The first industry to get this treatment will probably be the textile industry with requirements for longer lasting garments. 

    Another great move, away from the 'use and wash three times' and throw away. 

    Actually if just the minimum warranty period was extended significantly it would probably lead to easier to repair designs because the manufacturers would be eating more of the cost themselves.
    muthuk_vanalingamnormmelijahgwatto_cobraAlex_V
  • Reply 7 of 21
    normmnormm Posts: 653member
    Apple integrates as much as possible onto one chip, for power and performance reasons.  I'm sure they plan to continue this trend.  Requiring separate replaceable components may prevent good design.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 21
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    lkrupp said:
    avon b7 said:
    lkrupp said:
    avon b7 said:
    Excellent news. Now it's time for 'design for repair'.

    The warranty extension is a great idea but there will be devils in the details for sure, just as there are at the moment. 

    The first industry to get this treatment will probably be the textile industry with requirements for longer lasting garments. 

    Another great move, away from the 'use and wash three times' and throw away. 

    Design for repair? Can’t wait to see an iPhone designed by the EU, can you?
    It wouldn't be designed by the EU. Each manufacturer would simply have to take into account certain aspects that would facilitate repair or enhancement. 
    Really? Not a chance. Like Denmark and dating app alternate payment demands, Apple will come out with a design they say meets the EU’s “Right to Repair” standards. The EU will say no it doesn’t and start fining Apple until it does. How’s that not the government designing a device?
    Regulatory approval != design.

    The FCC does not design iPhones.  The FDA does not design drugs.
    edited April 2022 elijahggatorguydarkvaderAlex_Vmuthuk_vanalingamspheric
  • Reply 9 of 21
    nicholfdnicholfd Posts: 826member
    avon b7 said:
    lkrupp said:
    avon b7 said:
    Excellent news. Now it's time for 'design for repair'.

    The warranty extension is a great idea but there will be devils in the details for sure, just as there are at the moment. 

    The first industry to get this treatment will probably be the textile industry with requirements for longer lasting garments. 

    Another great move, away from the 'use and wash three times' and throw away. 

    Design for repair? Can’t wait to see an iPhone designed by the EU, can you?
    It wouldn't be designed by the EU. Each manufacturer would simply have to take into account certain aspects that would facilitate repair or enhancement. 
    Or choose not to sell in the EU.  Or choose to sell at 25%-50% markup (vs. global price) to meet regulations.
    watto_cobraDogperson
  • Reply 10 of 21
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,975member
    normm said:
    Apple integrates as much as possible onto one chip, for power and performance reasons.  I'm sure they plan to continue this trend.  Requiring separate replaceable components may prevent good design.
    They won't integrate the battery, screen, backplate, antenna, speakers, connectors, motors, storage memory, cameras, sensors and many other elements into one chip any time soon. 

    There is a lot that can be done to make devices more accessible (less labour time on repair as a result) and easier to repair and upgrade. 
    darkvaderAlex_Vspheric
  • Reply 11 of 21
    nicholfdnicholfd Posts: 826member
    avon b7 said:
    normm said:
    Apple integrates as much as possible onto one chip, for power and performance reasons.  I'm sure they plan to continue this trend.  Requiring separate replaceable components may prevent good design.
    They won't integrate the battery, screen, backplate, antenna, speakers, connectors, motors, storage memory, cameras, sensors and many other elements into one chip any time soon. 

    There is a lot that can be done to make devices more accessible (less labour time on repair as a result) and easier to repair and upgrade. 
    Yeah - welcome to the plethora of crappy Android hardware.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 21
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,975member
    nicholfd said:
    avon b7 said:
    normm said:
    Apple integrates as much as possible onto one chip, for power and performance reasons.  I'm sure they plan to continue this trend.  Requiring separate replaceable components may prevent good design.
    They won't integrate the battery, screen, backplate, antenna, speakers, connectors, motors, storage memory, cameras, sensors and many other elements into one chip any time soon. 

    There is a lot that can be done to make devices more accessible (less labour time on repair as a result) and easier to repair and upgrade. 
    Yeah - welcome to the plethora of crappy Android hardware.
    How did you reach that conclusion? 

    Top end Android hardware and design has long been up there with Apple - or better!

    You don't think longer warranties could improve things at the low end? 
    edited April 2022 darkvaderkaarme
  • Reply 13 of 21
    nicholfdnicholfd Posts: 826member
    avon b7 said:
    nicholfd said:
    avon b7 said:
    normm said:
    Apple integrates as much as possible onto one chip, for power and performance reasons.  I'm sure they plan to continue this trend.  Requiring separate replaceable components may prevent good design.
    They won't integrate the battery, screen, backplate, antenna, speakers, connectors, motors, storage memory, cameras, sensors and many other elements into one chip any time soon. 

    There is a lot that can be done to make devices more accessible (less labour time on repair as a result) and easier to repair and upgrade. 
    Yeah - welcome to the plethora of crappy Android hardware.
    How did you reach that conclusion? 

    Top end Android hardware and design has long been up there with Apple - or better!

    You don't think longer warranties could improve things at the low end? 
    Look at the Android market and % of sales of devices (not dollars), with relation to device selling price.  Majority of devices sold are not the "top end".

    Nope - nothings for free.  The "low end" won't be so "low" any longer, or they just won't sell in the EU any longer...
    edited April 2022 watto_cobra
  • Reply 14 of 21
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,975member
    nicholfd said:
    avon b7 said:
    nicholfd said:
    avon b7 said:
    normm said:
    Apple integrates as much as possible onto one chip, for power and performance reasons.  I'm sure they plan to continue this trend.  Requiring separate replaceable components may prevent good design.
    They won't integrate the battery, screen, backplate, antenna, speakers, connectors, motors, storage memory, cameras, sensors and many other elements into one chip any time soon. 

    There is a lot that can be done to make devices more accessible (less labour time on repair as a result) and easier to repair and upgrade. 
    Yeah - welcome to the plethora of crappy Android hardware.
    How did you reach that conclusion? 

    Top end Android hardware and design has long been up there with Apple - or better!

    You don't think longer warranties could improve things at the low end? 
    Look at the Android market and % of sales of devices (not dollars), with relation to device selling price.  Majority of devices sold are not the "top end".

    Nope - nothings for free.  The "low end" won't be so "low" any longer, or they just won't sell in the EU any longer...
    No one is saying there aren't low end Android devices. There are Android devices at every price point, ranging from the almost free to prices that far exceed iPhone prices. 

    I still can't fathom what your original post was aiming for in the context of what I said. 
    darkvader
  • Reply 15 of 21
    normmnormm Posts: 653member
    avon b7 said:
    normm said:
    Apple integrates as much as possible onto one chip, for power and performance reasons.  I'm sure they plan to continue this trend.  Requiring separate replaceable components may prevent good design.
    They won't integrate the battery, screen, backplate, antenna, speakers, connectors, motors, storage memory, cameras, sensors and many other elements into one chip any time soon. 

    There is a lot that can be done to make devices more accessible (less labour time on repair as a result) and easier to repair and upgrade. 
    There's always a tradeoff.  Remember when Android people made fun of iPhone for having a sealed battery compartment?  And yes, replaceable and upgradeable storage means more connectors, more power, less reliability, etc.  Sensors can certainly benefit from being more closely integrated with the main processing.

    I think avon b7 has the right idea: require the manufacturer to offer a longer warranty, and they'll do whatever makes sense to make the device more repairable, but not what doesn't make sense.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 16 of 21
    bshankbshank Posts: 257member
    lkrupp said:
    avon b7 said:
    Excellent news. Now it's time for 'design for repair'.

    The warranty extension is a great idea but there will be devils in the details for sure, just as there are at the moment. 

    The first industry to get this treatment will probably be the textile industry with requirements for longer lasting garments. 

    Another great move, away from the 'use and wash three times' and throw away. 

    Design for repair? Can’t wait to see an iPhone designed by the EU, can you?
    No privacy, supports all messaging apps to to the point iMessage becomes the least secure service and provides $20 per month automatically through an EU mandate to support these phishing schemes as the people are in poor countries and we all need to help them, Spotify can dictate that Apple Music is not allowed in Europe at all and is pre-installed on iPhone in all other countries else am Vestager will tax Apple more, iPhone can supply natural gas finally so that the EU can become autonomous from Putin (but that doesn’t matter because if the EC doesn’t tax Apple 10x in the next 2 years it will be considered Illegal State Aid and the EU can collect back taxes all the way to 1950 before Apple was even founded, and there is no protection against malware anymore because the EU forces customers to side load as the App Store is banned so Russian, Nigerian, and Chinese hackers steal from EU citizens bank accounts as they are provided direct access by the government to redistribute to those poor hackers who have to spend their days stealing. Someday they will pursue honest work if we all allow them to make enough money. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 17 of 21
    davidwdavidw Posts: 2,102member
    avon b7 said:
    Excellent news. Now it's time for 'design for repair'.

    The warranty extension is a great idea but there will be devils in the details for sure, just as there are at the moment. 

    The first industry to get this treatment will probably be the textile industry with requirements for longer lasting garments. 

    Another great move, away from the 'use and wash three times' and throw away. 

    Actually if just the minimum warranty period was extended significantly it would probably lead to easier to repair designs because the manufacturers would be eating more of the cost themselves.
    Not necessarily. If the warranty period was extended, then manufacturers will design their products to last longer, so that there's less chance of them needing repair in the warranty period. Which is one of the reason why a lot of electronics are not easy to repair. They were designed to last longer at the cost of not being easily repairable. It would be backward thinking for a vender to design electronics to be easy repairable, to lessen the cost of warranty work. When the right way to think is to design electronics to last longer, to lessen the need for any warranty work at all. 

    I much rather have a smartphone that is not easy to repair but will most likely not need repairing during its useful life, than one that is easy to repair but will most likely need some repair work during its useful life. Except for replacing batteries and LCD. The two most common repair work that should always be easy. 

    Extended warranties are very high profit margin sales for a reason. The products they cover were designed to last longer than the extended warranty period. 

    Plus, with electronics like smartphones, about the only repairs done under warranty by the venders, are the ones that are already easy, like replacing the screen or battery. Nearly all other repairs work result in them replacing the smartphone with an already refurbished one. Then the one needing repaired is done by the company that actually assembled the smartphone and then returned to be sold as refurbished.    
  • Reply 18 of 21
    badmonkbadmonk Posts: 1,327member
    Davidw posted:

    “I much rather have a smartphone that is not easy to repair but will most likely not need repairing during its useful life, than one that is easy to repair but will most likely need some repair work during its useful life. Except for replacing batteries and LCD. The two most common repair work that should always be easy. “

    Bingo the winner of this comment section.

    I buy Apple products because, if they are not abused, they last an incredibly long time.  In the end, this is the main quality that reduces e-waste and consumer cost, not dismantling ability for the sake of a government mandate.
  • Reply 19 of 21
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,975member
    davidw said:
    avon b7 said:
    Excellent news. Now it's time for 'design for repair'.

    The warranty extension is a great idea but there will be devils in the details for sure, just as there are at the moment. 

    The first industry to get this treatment will probably be the textile industry with requirements for longer lasting garments. 

    Another great move, away from the 'use and wash three times' and throw away. 

    Actually if just the minimum warranty period was extended significantly it would probably lead to easier to repair designs because the manufacturers would be eating more of the cost themselves.
    Not necessarily. If the warranty period was extended, then manufacturers will design their products to last longer, so that there's less chance of them needing repair in the warranty period. Which is one of the reason why a lot of electronics are not easy to repair. They were designed to last longer at the cost of not being easily repairable. It would be backward thinking for a vender to design electronics to be easy repairable, to lessen the cost of warranty work. When the right way to think is to design electronics to last longer, to lessen the need for any warranty work at all. 

    I much rather have a smartphone that is not easy to repair but will most likely not need repairing during its useful life, than one that is easy to repair but will most likely need some repair work during its useful life. Except for replacing batteries and LCD. The two most common repair work that should always be easy. 

    Extended warranties are very high profit margin sales for a reason. The products they cover were designed to last longer than the extended warranty period. 

    Plus, with electronics like smartphones, about the only repairs done under warranty by the venders, are the ones that are already easy, like replacing the screen or battery. Nearly all other repairs work result in them replacing the smartphone with an already refurbished one. Then the one needing repaired is done by the company that actually assembled the smartphone and then returned to be sold as refurbished.    
    Backward thinking? 

    No. Electronics can be made to last longer and be repairable.

    I don't buy the 'one reason why a lot of electronics are not easy to repair' because it is only one of many. Another is that it dissuades from repair. Especially when the 'out of warranty' or 'not covered by warranty' repair cost itself is so expensive and/or requires substitution of fully working, perfectly good components - by design.

    Inaccessibility for repair due to adhesives and sealants for IP ratings which are never covered by warranty anyway is another bone of contention. Nano coatings for electronics have been around for years and how many phones actually end up submerged for any reason? A tiny fraction for sure. Splash resistance us all that is necessary. 

    Was there any really good reason for glass backs on phones apart from 'it feels premium'? 

    Is there any good reason why onboard storage cannot be upgraded? Especially when some phones shipped with barely enough for your average user out of the box? 

    Sometimes when I watch teardown videos I get the sensation that some design decisions were taken solely to make repair more difficult or time consuming. 



    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 20 of 21
    kaarmekaarme Posts: 6member
    davidw said:
    avon b7 said:
    Excellent news. Now it's time for 'design for repair'.

    The warranty extension is a great idea but there will be devils in the details for sure, just as there are at the moment. 

    The first industry to get this treatment will probably be the textile industry with requirements for longer lasting garments. 

    Another great move, away from the 'use and wash three times' and throw away. 

    Actually if just the minimum warranty period was extended significantly it would probably lead to easier to repair designs because the manufacturers would be eating more of the cost themselves.
    Not necessarily. If the warranty period was extended, then manufacturers will design their products to last longer, so that there's less chance of them needing repair in the warranty period. Which is one of the reason why a lot of electronics are not easy to repair. They were designed to last longer at the cost of not being easily repairable. It would be backward thinking for a vender to design electronics to be easy repairable, to lessen the cost of warranty work. When the right way to think is to design electronics to last longer, to lessen the need for any warranty work at all. 

    I much rather have a smartphone that is not easy to repair but will most likely not need repairing during its useful life, than one that is easy to repair but will most likely need some repair work during its useful life. Except for replacing batteries and LCD. The two most common repair work that should always be easy. 

    Extended warranties are very high profit margin sales for a reason. The products they cover were designed to last longer than the extended warranty period. 

    Plus, with electronics like smartphones, about the only repairs done under warranty by the venders, are the ones that are already easy, like replacing the screen or battery. Nearly all other repairs work result in them replacing the smartphone with an already refurbished one. Then the one needing repaired is done by the company that actually assembled the smartphone and then returned to be sold as refurbished.    


    Repairable products are also more durable. Or do you have evidence that says otherwise?
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