GPS is new, eh? It's a decades old system that's been in development since the 70's.
OK. WTF do Mac/PC reliability have to do with an embedded processor in a proprietary system? Secondly, the G4 is expensive, is not designed to remain dormant for long periods of time, and is definitely not neccessary for GPS navigation. Such navigation is handled by dedicated GPS controllers...
**** ME.
Ok, while researching why this is such a retarded idea, I stumbled upon the truth...
It doesn't use it for GPS, GPS is handled by a seperate non-commercial unit in Boeing products, and therefore, the Cruise Missile.
A Motorola proc ties it all together, and very well could be a modified G3 or G4.
1)I never meant that gps technology was new. Only that it is new to missle guidence systems.
2)As far as a G4 being to expensive. A cruise missle cost a million and a half each. And i never said it was nessary for gps. that came up when i was being told that military high tek was all based on ten to twelve year old technology.
3) if you say yourself that A Motorola proc ties it all together, and very well could be a modified G3 or G4. Then why is it retarded?
I have yet to hear an argument that disproves the radio show i heard.
please explain Why would it be retarded to use a G4 processor?
Anyone remember Woz commenting on how Apple II's were used to target our nukes over in Europe during the Cold War? Thank God they didn't use IBMs with DOS 4.1.
1)I never meant that gps technology was new. Only that it is new to missle guidence systems.
2)As far as a G4 being to expensive. A cruise missle cost a million and a half each. And i never said it was nessary for gps. that came up when i was being told that military high tek was all based on ten to twelve year old technology.
3) if you say yourself that A Motorola proc ties it all together, and very well could be a modified G3 or G4. Then why is it retarded?
I have yet to hear an argument that disproves the radio show i heard.
please explain Why would it be retarded to use a G4 processor?
Uh, I said **** ME. That should make it clear that I was wrong, 'oh the retarded'. Either way Sluf sorted it out.
#2) You are off by a factor of 3 on the prices. TLAM's go for about $500k apiece now on average. Next batch post-conflict is budgeted at about 300K apiece.
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2) at least i am right about the price. The Tomahawk cruise missile (the BGM-109) is a 20-foot-long weapon costing $1.3 million.
Though I try I can not find any info on the processor for the newer block III cruise missles.
I am giving you a couple of links for your own enjoyment
I still think that it is possible but can find no proff so I am going to give you the benifit of doubt.\
BGM-109??? I've been talking about the AGM-86 series, and therefore a Boeing product, you're talking about a Raytheon product. OMFG.
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The reason is the difference in the countries being targeted. Dirt-poor in terms of air defense installations and high-value targets, Afghanistan is not what you would call a target-rich environment. 50 Tomahawks--which can cost between $500,000 and $750,000 a piece--may very well do the job. If Iraq, which has a higher concentration of more modern, high-value fixed targets, is on the list of other possible targets for action as the war winds on, allied forces may be conserving them for use later.
OKOKOK. The BOEING JDAM uses the moto processor. The JDAM is strapped onto missile/bombs for improved navigation, including GPS. Same link as above, and the previous article I referenced.
SO. You're wrong about the Tomahawk. The 'expert' was talking about the JDAM, which is on some types of cruise missile, such as the AGM-86. And, as Sluf made clear, does not use a G3/G4 class processor, just an old moto, possibly something along the lines of a 68040.
I have yet to hear an argument that disproves the radio show i heard.
I heard a guy on the radio the other day claiming Osama Bin Laden is being harbored in Venezuela by President Chavez and is plotting terrorist attacks in the American South East that would be carried out by the Cuban military.
I heard a guy on the radio the other day claiming Osama Bin Laden is being harbored in Venezuela by President Chavez and is plotting terrorist attacks in the American South East that would be carried out by the Cuban military.
Oh well some kind of conclusion seems to have been reached.
that's only because this is current hardware, not AO. if it were AO we'd be arguing about which political party wants to use which chip, and how it's all just a lie to get money from one group to another.
Heck, the main processor in a F-22 Stealth Fighter is just a i980, the same one used in the HP Laserjet 2 (and out of production for about three years now--but that's a seperate problem). You think a cruise missile needs more horsepower than the highest tech Buick Rogers fighter out there?
Yes. The F22's computer is just for stability. Hell. I'd do it in analog and have it be mega fast. The Cruise missile must be guided from the lauch till the explosion, often intelligently navgating around hot areas, etc.
I wouldn't be surprised if newer versions of old missiles had new electronics. That's a smart move by the military. After all, they want to maximize accuracy and the original tomahawks were far from perfect. Given that Green Mountain does a lot of this kinda thing, and given that they often use moto parts, I wouldn't be surprised if they did the work and used 7400 series chips.
They don't really use GPS like you think anymore. They have realtime ground mapping with another system now. That's why GPS went into public domain. The new system can render the ground in 3d realtime and pass many other forms of information. I forget the name of this new system can somebody refresh my memory.
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Originally posted by serrano
Because it's, oh, retarded.
GPS is new, eh? It's a decades old system that's been in development since the 70's.
OK. WTF do Mac/PC reliability have to do with an embedded processor in a proprietary system? Secondly, the G4 is expensive, is not designed to remain dormant for long periods of time, and is definitely not neccessary for GPS navigation. Such navigation is handled by dedicated GPS controllers...
**** ME.
Ok, while researching why this is such a retarded idea, I stumbled upon the truth...
It doesn't use it for GPS, GPS is handled by a seperate non-commercial unit in Boeing products, and therefore, the Cruise Missile.
A Motorola proc ties it all together, and very well could be a modified G3 or G4.
Here's a link to the pdf article.
Oh the retarded
1)I never meant that gps technology was new. Only that it is new to missle guidence systems.
2)As far as a G4 being to expensive. A cruise missle cost a million and a half each. And i never said it was nessary for gps. that came up when i was being told that military high tek was all based on ten to twelve year old technology.
3) if you say yourself that A Motorola proc ties it all together, and very well could be a modified G3 or G4. Then why is it retarded?
I have yet to hear an argument that disproves the radio show i heard.
please explain Why would it be retarded to use a G4 processor?
Originally posted by JC
Oh the retarded
1)I never meant that gps technology was new. Only that it is new to missle guidence systems.
2)As far as a G4 being to expensive. A cruise missle cost a million and a half each. And i never said it was nessary for gps. that came up when i was being told that military high tek was all based on ten to twelve year old technology.
3) if you say yourself that A Motorola proc ties it all together, and very well could be a modified G3 or G4. Then why is it retarded?
I have yet to hear an argument that disproves the radio show i heard.
please explain Why would it be retarded to use a G4 processor?
Uh, I said **** ME. That should make it clear that I was wrong, 'oh the retarded'. Either way Sluf sorted it out.
Originally posted by AirSluf
#2) You are off by a factor of 3 on the prices. TLAM's go for about $500k apiece now on average. Next batch post-conflict is budgeted at about 300K apiece.
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2) at least i am right about the price. The Tomahawk cruise missile (the BGM-109) is a 20-foot-long weapon costing $1.3 million.
Though I try I can not find any info on the processor for the newer block III cruise missles.
I am giving you a couple of links for your own enjoyment
I still think that it is possible but can find no proff so I am going to give you the benifit of doubt.
http://people.howstuffworks.com/fram.../tomahawk.html
http://www.raytheon.com/products/tomahawk/
Originally posted by JC
2) at least i am right about the price. The Tomahawk cruise missile (the BGM-109) is a 20-foot-long weapon costing $1.3 million.
Though I try I can not find any info on the processor for the newer block III cruise missles.
I am giving you a couple of links for your own enjoyment
I still think that it is possible but can find no proff so I am going to give you the benifit of doubt.
http://people.howstuffworks.com/fram.../tomahawk.html
http://www.raytheon.com/products/tomahawk/
BGM-109??? I've been talking about the AGM-86 series, and therefore a Boeing product, you're talking about a Raytheon product. OMFG.
The reason is the difference in the countries being targeted. Dirt-poor in terms of air defense installations and high-value targets, Afghanistan is not what you would call a target-rich environment. 50 Tomahawks--which can cost between $500,000 and $750,000 a piece--may very well do the job. If Iraq, which has a higher concentration of more modern, high-value fixed targets, is on the list of other possible targets for action as the war winds on, allied forces may be conserving them for use later.
http://www.forbes.com/charitable/200...1008bombs.html
OKOKOK. The BOEING JDAM uses the moto processor. The JDAM is strapped onto missile/bombs for improved navigation, including GPS. Same link as above, and the previous article I referenced.
SO. You're wrong about the Tomahawk. The 'expert' was talking about the JDAM, which is on some types of cruise missile, such as the AGM-86. And, as Sluf made clear, does not use a G3/G4 class processor, just an old moto, possibly something along the lines of a 68040.
Good? Good. I've learned some, hope you have to.
Originally posted by JC
I have yet to hear an argument that disproves the radio show i heard.
I heard a guy on the radio the other day claiming Osama Bin Laden is being harbored in Venezuela by President Chavez and is plotting terrorist attacks in the American South East that would be carried out by the Cuban military.
Disprove it,
Originally posted by serrano
Good? Good. I've learned some, hope you have to.
Thanks I have
Originally posted by Stagflation Steve
I heard a guy on the radio the other day claiming Osama Bin Laden is being harbored in Venezuela by President Chavez and is plotting terrorist attacks in the American South East that would be carried out by the Cuban military.
Disprove it,
Hmmm, That could be true
Nobody here may the slightest clue what they are talking about but they manage to sound very authoritative and knowledgeful.
Oh well some kind of conclusion seems to have been reached.
Oh well some kind of conclusion seems to have been reached.
that's only because this is current hardware, not AO. if it were AO we'd be arguing about which political party wants to use which chip, and how it's all just a lie to get money from one group to another.
thank god i don't mod those forums......
Originally posted by AirSluf
Heck, the main processor in a F-22 Stealth Fighter is just a i980, the same one used in the HP Laserjet 2 (and out of production for about three years now--but that's a seperate problem). You think a cruise missile needs more horsepower than the highest tech Buick Rogers fighter out there?
Yes. The F22's computer is just for stability. Hell. I'd do it in analog and have it be mega fast. The Cruise missile must be guided from the lauch till the explosion, often intelligently navgating around hot areas, etc.
I wouldn't be surprised if newer versions of old missiles had new electronics. That's a smart move by the military. After all, they want to maximize accuracy and the original tomahawks were far from perfect. Given that Green Mountain does a lot of this kinda thing, and given that they often use moto parts, I wouldn't be surprised if they did the work and used 7400 series chips.
Lastly, Analog rocks.
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