Compared: 13-inch M2 MacBook Pro vs 14-inch MacBook Pro

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in Current Mac Hardware edited July 2022
Apple's new 13-inch MacBook Pro has the M2 chip, but it may not be enough to tempt potential buyers away from a purchase of the 14-inch MacBook Pro. Here's how the smaller MacBook Pro models compare.




Apple's WWDC 2022 keynote saw it roll out M2, the first of a second generation of Apple Silicon chips. Again, Apple decided that the first wave of devices using it should be on the value-end of the catalog, and introduced an M2 MacBook Air alongside an updated 13-inch MacBook Pro.

With the shift to M2, the 13-inch MacBook Air gains a few performance tweaks that can make it an attractive proposition for those working in video. Some may even consider it a cheaper alternative to buying a 14-inch MacBook Pro.






Of course, the differences between the two models are more than just display size and chips, with many other factors to consider when buying a MacBook.

Specifications

Specifications13-inch MacBook Pro, M214-inch MacBook Pro
Display Size (inches)13.314.2
Max Resolution2560 x 16003024 x 1964
Pixel Density227254
Brightness500 nits1000 nits
Display BacklightingLEDMini LED
Display TechnologyWide Color (P3),
True Tone
Wide Color (P3),
True Tone,
ProMotion
ProcessorsEight-core Apple M2M1 Pro with 8-core CPU,
M1 Pro with 10-core CPU,
M1 Max with 10-core CPU
Unified Memory8GB,
16GB,
24GB
16GB (M1 Pro),
32GB,
64GB (M1 Max)
Graphics (integrated)10-core Apple Silicon M214-core GPU (M1 Pro),
16-core GPU (M1 Pro),
24-core GPU (M1 Max),
32-core GPU (M1 Max)
External Video1 6K display at 60Hz2 6K displays at 60Hz (M1 Pro)
3 6K displays and 1 4K at 60Hz (M1 Max)
Storage256GB, 512GB, 1TB, 2TB512GB, 1TB, 2TB, 4TB, 8TB
Touch BarYesNo
BiometricsTouch IDTouch ID
TrackpadForce TouchForce Touch
KeyboardBacklit with ambient light sensorBacklit with ambient light sensor
Dimensions (inches)0.61 x 11.97 x 8.360.61 x 12.31 x 8.71
Weight (pounds)3.03.5
Battery Life20 Hours17 Hours
Ports2 USB 4 / Thunderbolt 3 ports
Headphone jack
SDXC card slot,
HDMI,
MagSafe 3,
3 USB-4/Thunderbolt ports,
Headphone jack
Webcam720p FaceTime HD
Advanced image signal processor
1080p FaceTime HD
Advanced image signal processor
SpeakersStereo speakers with high dynamic rangeHigh fidelity six-speaker sound with wide stereo, spatial audio
Microphones3 with directional beamforming3 with directional beamforming
Wi-FiWi-Fi 6Wi-Fi 6
Bluetooth5.05.0
Charger67W USB-C67W USB-C (M1 Pro with 8-core CPU)
96W USB-C (M1 Pro with 10-core CPU, or M1 Max)
Color OptionsSilver, Space GraySilver, Space Gray
PriceFrom $1,299From $1,999

M2 13-inch MacBook Pro vs 14-inch MacBook Pro - Physical Dimensions

As you would typically expect between MacBooks with different sizes in their name, there will be a distinct sense of physicality between the two models. Both benefit from a nice, flat and practical design, complete with aluminum enclosures and clean lines, but size plays a factor.

The 14-inch MacBook Pro packs a 14.2-inch display but with relatively thin bezels, which helps dictate the size of the notebook. It measures 12.31 inches by 8.71 inches and 0.61 inches thick.

13-inch MacBook Pro on top of the 14-inch MacBook Pro
13-inch MacBook Pro on top of the 14-inch MacBook Pro


The 13-inch model has a 13.3-inch screen, as well as thicker bezels. Its footprint of 11.97 inches by 8.36 inches isn't that much shorter or wider than its 14-inch counterpart, and it matches the thickness at 0.61 inches.

For weight, the physically bigger 14-inch model is also heavier, at 3.5 pounds to 3 pounds for the 13-inch model.

M2 13-inch MacBook Pro vs 14-inch MacBook Pro - Display

Apple has used a 13.3-inch display on the 13-inch MacBook Pro for quite some time, with relatively few changes over the years.

When the MacBook Air has been overhauled to become more like the 14-inch MacBook Pro in aesthetic, you would think that Apple would give the 13-inch model the same courtesy. Unfortunately, Apple decided to continue the tradition.

The usual 13.3-inch display is in use, with its typical resolution of 2,560 by 1,600 and a pixel density of 227ppi. There are thick bezels on each side and plenty of space at the top for the camera to fit in without intruding on the display.

The 14-inch uses a 14.2-inch display, with a much higher resolution of 3,024 by 1,964 and a pixel density of 254ppi.

The design does incorporate a notch at the top for the camera due to the thin bezels, and a controversial one at that. However, since this eats into screen estate used by the menu bar and is hidden by turning nearby screen sections black when an app is used full-screen, it's not a big problem for users.

Both screens have Wide Color (P3) support and True Tone, but the 14-inch pulls ahead in a few areas.

The 14-inch MacBook Pro has more keys for its keyboard, but it retains Touch ID.
The 14-inch MacBook Pro has more keys for its keyboard, but it retains Touch ID.


The larger model uses mini LED backlighting versus LED for the 13-inch model. This change enables higher contrast levels to 1,000,000:1 and more vibrant imagery in the 14-inch model.

It's also brighter at 1,000 nits in typical full-screen usage and up to 1,600 nits at its peak for HDR content. The 13-inch MacBook Pro's display only manages 500 nits.

Then there's ProMotion, Apple's adaptive refresh rate technology that can help save battery life and improve animations. That ProMotion support means the 14-inch model's screen can go up to 120Hz, while the 13-inch can go up to 60Hz.

M2 13-inch MacBook Pro vs 14-inch MacBook Pro - Processing

At first blush, the M2 is an improvement to the Apple Silicon line, with it heralding the start of a new generation of chips. As analogous to the M1, the M2 is very similar but also better in several ways.

For example, it uses the same 8-core arrangement as the M1, of 8 cores evenly split between performance and efficiency cores. Except the M2 is faster than the M1 by 18% for relative power consumption levels.

There's the same 5nm foundry process and the similar 16-core Neural Engine, but there are some bigger changes as well.

The Unified Memory returns for M2, but the memory bandwidth is up from 68.26GB/s in the M1 to an even 100GB/s. The memory capacities have also been boosted, so a 24GB variant joins the 8GB and 16GB options.

Then there's the Media Engine, an element introduced in the M1 Pro and M1 Max to handle video encoding and decoding, including ProRes encode and decode engines. It wasn't available on the M1, giving the M2 a giant leap forward.

The 14-inch MacBook Pro is offered with M1 Pro and M1 Max chips. The M1 Pro is available in 8 or 10-core CPU variants, each with either 6 or 8 performance cores and two efficiency cores, while the M1 Max has a 10-core CPU with 8 performance and 2 efficiency cores.

The memory options are also larger, with the Pro offering 16GB or 32GB versions and the M1 Max going for 32GB and 64GB. The memory bandwidth is also much higher, at 200GB/s on the Pro and 400GB/s on the Mac.

The M2 SoC.
The M2 SoC.


The Pro has the same Media Engine arrangement as the M2, but the Max adds in double the video encode engines and two each of ProRes encode and decode engines.

As for how this would affect performance, we can compare the initial benchmarks of the M2 on Geekbench against the other chips.

For Geekbench's single-core test, Our M2 scored 1,928, outpacing the 1,738 and 1,747 results for the Pro and Max. This is likely due to the higher-performance cores in the M2.

Under the multi-core test, the M1 Pro and M1 Max accelerate away with 12,009 and 12,165, respectively, against 8,990 for the M2.

Running Cinebenc R23, we saw similar results. We pulled 1,576 for the single-core and 8,694 for the multi-core.

M2 13-inch MacBook Pro vs 14-inch MacBook Pro - Graphics and Video

The M2 13-inch MacBook Pro has a 10-core Apple-deigned GPU. Apple claims the M2 GPU offers a 25% higher graphics performance than the M1 at the same power level, rising to 35% at maximum power.

The 14-inch MacBook Pro's M1 Pro has a 14-core GPU at the base level, rising to 16-core for the 10-core CPU M1 Pro. The M1 Max starts at 24 GPU cores, with a maximum of 32 cores.

Typically, the more cores you have, the better for performance. In our Geekbench graphics Compute test running Metal, we scored 30,931 on the M2.
One unusual area that wasn't updated in the M2 is external video support. The 13-inch MacBook Pro can handle only one external display, with a maximum resolution of 6K and running at 60Hz.

The 14-inch MacBook Pro's M1 Pro version can manage two external 6K displays at 60Hz. Meanwhile, the M1 Max version can deal with three 6K displays and one 1K display at 60hz.

M2 13-inch MacBook Pro vs 14-inch MacBook Pro - Camera

Just as it didn't update the display, Apple has kept the built-in camera the same in the 13-inch MacBook Pro. The 720p FaceTime HD camera is a very familiar sight, but a disappointing one since the MacBook Air saw an update to the 1080p FaceTime HD camera.

The 14-inch MacBook Pro does use that 1080p FaceTime HD camera.

The 14-inch MacBook Pro uses a notch in the display, but it's less of a problem than people may think
The 14-inch MacBook Pro uses a notch in the display, but it's less of a problem than people may think


All benefit from the image signal processing and computational photography knowhow Apple has gathered to improve the picture, but the resolution difference will undoubtedly be felt.

This may not necessarily be a problem for some users, as Apple is bringing in its Continuity Camera feature, enabling an iPhone to be used as a webcam. This could provide considerably better picture quality and other extra benefits, which could make the webcam argument moot down the line.

M2 13-inch MacBook Pro vs 14-inch MacBook Pro - Connectivity

Connecting the MacBook Pro to other devices is considerably easier for the 14-inch MacBook Pro than the 13-inch model because it has far more ports.

The 13-inch MacBook Pro offers users three physical ports: a pair of USB4/Thunderbolt 3 ports on one side and a 3.5mm headphone jack.

By contrast, the 14-inch MacBook Pro spoils you for choice. For a start, you have two Thunderbolt 4 ports on one side, one on the other, and the headphone jack.

The 13-inch MacBook Pro (bottom) has far fewer ports than the generous 14-inch MacBook Pro (top)
The 13-inch MacBook Pro (bottom) has far fewer ports than the generous 14-inch MacBook Pro (top)


Then there's the built-in SDXC card slot, an HDMI port, and a MagSafe 3 connection for charging. That latter element is a great addition since you don't need to sacrifice any of your data-centric ports to recharge the 14-inch MacBook Pro unless you're using a dock with sufficient power delivery.

On the wireless side, both MacBook Pro models have Wi-Fi 6 support and Bluetooth 5.0.

M2 13-inch MacBook Pro vs 14-inch MacBook Pro - Battery and Charging

Apple claims the 13-inch MacBook Pro's 58.2-watt-hour lithium-polymer battery can last for up to 20 hours of Apple TV app movie playback, as well as up to 17 hours of wireless web access.

The 14-inch MacBook Pro can manage up to 17 hours of Apple TV app movie playback using its 70-watt battery and up to 11 hours of wireless web access.

While there's a lower usability time for the 14-inch model's bigger battery, each is still capable of all-day usage.

To recharge each, Apple supplies a 67-Watt USB-C Power Adapter for the 13-inch MacBook Pro and the 8-core CPU M1 14-inch MacBook Pro. For the 10-core CPU variants, Apple includes a 96-Watt USB-C Power Adapter by default.

M2 13-inch MacBook Pro vs 14-inch MacBook Pro - Audio

For playing music back, the 13-inch MacBook Pro has stereo speakers. The 14-inch instead relies on a high-fidelity six-speaker sound system with force-canceling woofers.

Both MacBook Pro models have wide stereo sound and support for Spatial Audio when playing music or Dolby Atmos video using the built-in speakers. There is also support for Spatial Audio with dynamic head tracking when using some AirPods models.

The microphone situation is also the same, with each using a "studio-quality" three-mic array with directional beamforming and a high signal-to-noise ratio.

Each also possesses a 3.5mm headphone jack with advanced support for high-impedance headphones. This support is new for the 13-inch model, as its M1 version didn't have that extended support for its headphone jack.

M2 13-inch MacBook Pro vs 14-inch MacBook Pro - Storage

The 13-inch MacBook Pro starts at a 256GB SSD, rising to 512GB, 1TB, and 2TB.

The 14-inch MacBook Pro starts at 512GB for the 8-core CPU M1 Pro variant, with upgrade options available for 1TB, 2TB, 4TB, and 8TB.

The 13-inch MacBook Pro keeps the Touch Bar for one more cycle.
The 13-inch MacBook Pro keeps the Touch Bar for one more cycle.


Going for a 10-core CPU version immediately ups the base storage capacity to 1TB, with options to move to 2TB, 4TB, and 8TB.

M2 13-inch MacBook Pro vs 14-inch MacBook Pro - Other Features

Both MacBooks have a Backlit Magic Keyboard with an ambient light sensor and a Force Touch trackpad. However, how they are implemented is slightly different.

Apple dropped the much-derided Touch Bar in its 14-inch MacBook Pro, in favor of 12 full-heigh function keys, with it being a 78-key or 79-key keyboard, depending on the region. Touch ID is still available via a dedicated key in the corner.

The 13-inch MacBook Pro has a 65-key or 66-key keyboard, again depending on region, but it retains the Touch Bar and Touch ID.

M2 13-inch MacBook Pro vs 14-inch MacBook Pro - Pricing

The new 13-inch MacBook Pro starts from $1,299 at its cheapest price, including 8GB of memory and 256GB of storage.



Upgrading the memory to 16GB costs an extra $200, then another $200 to get to 24GB. Going from 256GB of storage to 512GB costs an additional $200, with 1TB another $200 on top, then a further $400 to get to 2TB.

The most expensive 13-inch MacBook Pro configuration costs $2,499.

The 13-inch MacBook Pro is now more powerful with M2.
The 13-inch MacBook Pro is now more powerful with M2.


The 14-inch MacBook Pro starts from $1,999 with the M1 Pro 8-core CPU, 14-core GPU, 16GB of memory, 512GB of storage, and a 67W power adapter.

Upgrading to the M1 Pro 10-core CPU and 14-core GPU is a $200 cost, with the 10-core CPU and 16-core GPU a further $100. Going to the M1 Max with a 24-core GPU adds another $200, while the 32-core GPU version is yet another $200.

The M1 Pro models start with 16GB of memory, with the 32GB upgrade costing $400. The M1 Max models start at 32GB, with 64GB priced at an extra $400.

For storage, upgrading from 512GB to 1TB costs $100, with 2TB an additional $400, 4TB an extra $600 on top of that, and 8TB priced $800 higher again.

The 8-core CPU M1 Pro ships with the 67W power adapter, but you can upgrade to the 96W version for an extra $20. All 10-core CPU versions ship with the 96W by default.

The most expensive configuration costs $5,899.

A small improvement

The 13-inch MacBook Pro's update to M2 brings some new elements, primarily due to the change in chip. The rest of the 13-inch MacBook Pro is basically the same as the previous model.

Just because it's updated the SoC doesn't mean the 13-inch MacBook Pro is the same sort of device as the 14-inch version. The chip brings some niceties, but it's not a barn-storming chip.

The biggest draw for the 14-inch MacBook Pro is performance, and for video editors, the all-important Media Engine. You now get this in the 13-inch model, which is a plus, but only a minor one.

We know the 14-inch MacBook Pro is more expensive, but at comparative specifications, the 13-inch model is only $300 cheaper in general.

For that $300 more, the 14-inch MacBook Pro gives you more CPU and GPU cores, a bigger screen with a better webcam, a better keyboard, a beefier sound system, and a lot more usable ports.

Unless cost is an absolute issue, it's probably worth it in the long term to go for the 14-inch MacBook Pro over the 13-inch. M2 is a draw, but the rest of the 13-inch MacBook Pro package is sorely lacking.

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Comments

  • Reply 1 of 15
    dewmedewme Posts: 5,656member
    The current 13” M2 MacBook Pro reminds me of the 13” non-retina MacBook Pro that lingered in Apple’s portfolio for a while after the rest of the MacBook Pro line had moved on to Retina. It’s the current last survivor of last generation technology baggage, in this case with its Touch Bar, lack of MagSafe and all. 

    I’m sure it’s a good fit for a very select few folks who are seriously held back by the new Air’s lack of active cooling, but this one would be extremely hard to justify over the new Air or the 14” MacBook Pro, both of which are forward looking machines. 

    I wish that Apple had used the resources it devoted to the M2 13” MacBook Pro to do a quick M2 refresh on the current Mac mini. I would seriously consider buying one of those, which would kind of be a poor man’s Mac Studio. At a high level it seems like either one was low hanging fruit. But Apple knows what it’s doing so we’ll just have to trust them on this and wait for the next wave of M2 products. 
    edited June 2022 muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 2 of 15
    There is absolutely no reason why anyone should buy the M2 13" MBP. Come on Tim Apple, we know you are supply chain wizard but when you use economies of scale to the umpteenth degree, you get products that make zero sense to buy.
    williamlondonmuthuk_vanalingamgrandact73
  • Reply 3 of 15
    charlesn said:
    Honestly, AI... WHY? Who needs this "comparison?" The MacBook Pro 14" is a totally different machine targeted to a totally different buyer, as one would expect for an increase of 66% in the base price vs. the new MacBook Air M2. If you're a professional whose work demands the horsepower and other benefits of the MBP 14, you will not be "tempted" by the MBA M2. Conversely, if you don't need that horsepower, you will not be tempted to pay 66% more for the MBP, unless you simply like having the fastest toys and have the bank account to support your wants. The bigger question I have is, "Who needs the MBP 13" now that the MBA M2 is here?
    I liked the comparison, but agree that the 13” MacBook Air versus 13” MacBook Pro is the more interesting comparison. What’s the point of the Pro with neither Touch Bar nor faster processor?
  • Reply 4 of 15
    smack416smack416 Posts: 63member
    A direct price comparison helps highlight the value of the Macbook Air over the dated and limited 13" Macbook Pro chassis (worse camera, heavier, no dedicated charging port)

    $1,699 Macbook Air 8-core CPU, 10-core GPU, 16 GB RAM, 512GB SSD 

    $1,699 Macbook Pro 13" M2 8-core CPU, 10-core GPU, 16 GB RAM, 512GB SSD 

    $1,999 Macbook Pro 14" M1 Pro 8-core CPU, 14-core GPU, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD

    If your workload will really push the limits of the Macbook Air, wouldn't you be better to pay $300 more for the even more powerful 14" with more ports and better everything else than the old 13" Macbook Pro.

    The only thing I can figure is they can't source the Macbook Airs fast enough and they really wanted the M2 out, so they dropped the M2 in the 13" in order to ship to market faster. Otherwise, it makes no sense to me.
    grandact73
  • Reply 5 of 15
    wood1208wood1208 Posts: 2,920member
    Good try but not worth comparison. 14.1" Macbook Pro has found it's own sweet spot within current available and future MAC laptop lines(16.1" MBP, 15" MBA, 14.1" MBP, 13.6" MBA,13.3" MBP and probably 12" MB). For now, 13.6" MBA( vs 13.3" MBP) is getting so much media attention and customer's love, that even though 13.6" MBA is not yet available to purchase, but considered GOTO MAC laptop. If Apple wants to keep 13.3" MBP in line than Apple has to offer more to it. 
  • Reply 6 of 15
    omasouomasou Posts: 611member
    Apple's is applying the iPad/iPhone strategy by offering previous iterations with restricted options as low price option but doesn't stop the press from saying that Apple products are too expensive. So really, what's the point?

    In reality the "low price" options don't provide the value anyone would really want and when we add the fact that's technology is now 3 years old (since it's introduction) it's just a plain bad decision on all levels.

    These low hanging fruit options clutter and confuse the product line up.

    Lastly, the updated MacBook Air completely removes the need for a 13" MBP option.
    edited June 2022
  • Reply 7 of 15
    thttht Posts: 5,605member
    Hmm, I would like AI to conduct a survey of MacBook repairs to see what ratio of MBP13 models are being repaired. Then, maybe a user survey to see who's buying the MBP13?

    There is still a price hole in the laptop lineup from about $1600 to $2000, in which the MBP13 fills. When the M2 MBA ships, I wonder if that hole disappears and finally drives Apple to retire the low end MBP13. I've always thought of it as upsell fodder. It's not meant to sell itself. It's meant to drive buyers to the MBP14, or the 4-port MBP13 in prior years.

    Apple said it is the 2nd best selling Apple laptop, so, there is something there, where there are quite a few buyers who won't buy a $2000 to $2500 laptop, but will buy a $1600 to $2000 laptop. Even the MBP14 can't drive enough customers to it. With the M2 MBA being such a better deal than the MBP13 however, perhaps sales of the MBP13 will dry up in favor of the M2 MBA.

    Anyways, the rumors of the MBA15 are also very interesting. That will drive sales of the MBP14/16 down. It's going to have a $1600 base price at the very least, if not $1800, which will drive the M2 Pro MBP14 to $2200. Perhaps Apple isn't worried about lineup cannibalization anymore. It's all the same parts anyways.
  • Reply 8 of 15
    If you leave the MBA out of the discussion (for a second), it's great that there is a very capable, new MacBook Pro in the line up for at the $1299 price point. So the 13" is a great addition to the 14" and 16".

    Having said that, what's the 13" Pro got that the M2 Air doesn't have when the Air starts $100 cheaper?  I miss the touch bar on my 16" Pro, but if choosing between the new 13" Pro and the M2 Air, I'd almost certainly go with the latter? What selling point of the 13" Pro am I missing (besides that it's shipping)?
  • Reply 9 of 15
    Mike WuertheleMike Wuerthele Posts: 6,917administrator
    If you leave the MBA out of the discussion (for a second), it's great that there is a very capable, new MacBook Pro in the line up for at the $1299 price point. So the 13" is a great addition to the 14" and 16".

    Having said that, what's the 13" Pro got that the M2 Air doesn't have when the Air starts $100 cheaper?  I miss the touch bar on my 16" Pro, but if choosing between the new 13" Pro and the M2 Air, I'd almost certainly go with the latter? What selling point of the 13" Pro am I missing (besides that it's shipping)?
    We think that the 13-inch Pro exists because Apple wants to have stock of SOMETHING for back-to-school, because like the Mac Pro, like the iMac Pro and so many other products for Apple "In month X" generally means "the last few days of month X, we'll ship like 100 units in total." Believe it or not, early and mid-August, back to school computer and tablet buying slows way down, because college freshmen are a week or so away from arriving at school.

    You get a fan for $100, and you get a worse screen, an older design, a worse webcam, and the Touch Bar.

    More about this tomorrow, late afternoon.
  • Reply 10 of 15
    kimberlykimberly Posts: 434member
    This is what I was waiting for. I guess I was waiting on 14" M2 but realise that 14" M1 PRO is absolutely fine. Probably get 32 GB memory as only extra.
  • Reply 11 of 15
    sflagelsflagel Posts: 838member
    tht said:
    Hmm, I would like AI to conduct a survey of MacBook repairs to see what ratio of MBP13 models are being repaired. Then, maybe a user survey to see who's buying the MBP13?

    There is still a price hole in the laptop lineup from about $1600 to $2000, in which the MBP13 fills. When the M2 MBA ships, I wonder if that hole disappears and finally drives Apple to retire the low end MBP13. I've always thought of it as upsell fodder. It's not meant to sell itself. It's meant to drive buyers to the MBP14, or the 4-port MBP13 in prior years.

    Apple said it is the 2nd best selling Apple laptop, so, there is something there, where there are quite a few buyers who won't buy a $2000 to $2500 laptop, but will buy a $1600 to $2000 laptop. Even the MBP14 can't drive enough customers to it. With the M2 MBA being such a better deal than the MBP13 however, perhaps sales of the MBP13 will dry up in favor of the M2 MBA.

    Anyways, the rumors of the MBA15 are also very interesting. That will drive sales of the MBP14/16 down. It's going to have a $1600 base price at the very least, if not $1800, which will drive the M2 Pro MBP14 to $2200. Perhaps Apple isn't worried about lineup cannibalization anymore. It's all the same parts anyways.
    There is still a massive price gap between the 13 inch MBA and the lowest priced 16 inch MBP. The gap is too large if all you want is a bigger screen for office work. I hope this gap gets filled quickly by a 15 inch MBA. 
  • Reply 12 of 15
    This machine imo is junk. 

    Hopefully people vote with their wallet and don’t buy it. 

    It’s so annoying have to go back to telling family and friends what to buy and not buy from Apple. “Don’t buy that iMac with a 5400rpm HDD” No don’t buy that Mac Mini it’s useless out of the box”

    You know this machine is junk Tim. You know it. Please remember sitting here and what was said. 

  • Reply 13 of 15
    Mike WuertheleMike Wuerthele Posts: 6,917administrator
    This machine imo is junk. 

    Hopefully people vote with their wallet and don’t buy it. 

    It’s so annoying have to go back to telling family and friends what to buy and not buy from Apple. “Don’t buy that iMac with a 5400rpm HDD” No don’t buy that Mac Mini it’s useless out of the box”

    You know this machine is junk Tim. You know it. Please remember sitting here and what was said. 

    This is incredible hyperbole. This is in no way junk.

    It's not, say, a 14-inch MacBook Pro, or the vast improvement that the 2012 Retina MacBook Pro was over the previous model, but junk? Nowhere near.
  • Reply 14 of 15
    Mike Wuerthele said: You get a fan for $100, and you get a worse screen, an older design, a worse webcam, and the Touch Bar.
    10 core GPU in M2 MBP = $1299. 10 core GPU in M2 MBA = $1499. MBP is a better deal for GPU/cooling. MBA is a better deal for screen/weight. That's the choice that people have to make. 
    edited June 2022
  • Reply 15 of 15
    Sorry Mike. I disagree. Maybe junk is too harsh. I’d still say junk but perhaps joke may be better.  

    It seems you’re coming at it with opinion the previous machines were okay and that I’m judging it against how much of a leap technology wise the new ones are. I’m not. Perhaps you liked the 2016  era onwards machines? The bunting came out for me when the 14 and 16 machines were released, the fireworks went up when the Air and Studio came out. 

    You’ve done the hardware review so no need to point out its long list of inadequacies. I’m going to highlight the camera though as that is a joke. 

    The lineup has been very poor since the 2016 refresh. The worst the laptop line has been ever been. 

    Compared to the 14 or the new Air, why buy this machine? Let’s not pretend a few hundred dollars is the reasons. You wouldn’t and shouldn’t. In my opinion (subjective alert) and most users and people I speak with of them. It’s a terrible design. Something I’m glad Apple is moving away from. 

    The proof is in the aware users choices. Professionally I can account for 2500 odd user habits with these. They are being dumped off for the replacement, or those users still holding onto 2015 models and are now ready to change.

    These machines and the whole period will not be looked upon favourably. Not like the retina, the unibody era etc etc. 

    The sooner these go the better. The 2016 design phase, from keyboards to Touchbars to poor cameras to missing MagSafe and other ports. 

    RIP. You will not be missed. 

    All opinion obviously, so each to their own. 
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