Two years after Apple Silicon, Intel still wants Apple to buy chips

blastdoor

rob53 said:

What capabilities do Intel chips have that Apple can’t replicate with their own chips?  

Suppose it’s winter and your furnace goes out — you’ll want Intel inside!

blastdoor

larryjw said:

If Intel builds a foundry to manufacture Apple Silicon then Intel will get Apple's business. Absent that, Intel has no chance. 

But it would need to be at least as advanced as TSMC and at a competitive price. 

Intel’s best bet is for China to blockade or invade Taiwan — that would make Intel suddenly seem pretty appealing 

danox

Intel, and the PC crowd (AMD, NVIDIA) are delusional Apple is out of the barn and down the road….

edited September 2022

danox

9secondkox2 said:

“Intel wants everyone to have high perform  as nice.” LOL

Exactly why Apple is making its own silicon - so everyone can have high performance, not just future lap burn victims. 

M1 scared Intel to high Heaven. They came back 3DFX style, just adding more stuff. And consuming your monthly power budget in the process. 

M2 comes out and Intel thinks they have a slight respite. Haven’t even seen the Max/Ultra/Extreme. Going to be medication time. 

And they have no clue what’s in store with M3. 

Nobody wants Intel anymore. Just fold up and ask Apple for a job. 

The PC crowd wants Intel and Microsoft, and some upon the intro of Apple Silicon have suggested that Apple should help poor Microsoft get Windows to work on Apple Silicon.

danox

larryjw said:

If Intel builds a foundry to manufacture Apple Silicon then Intel will get Apple's business. Absent that, Intel has no chance. 

That would be like trusting Google with a seat on the Apple board of directors all over again…..

blastdoor

https://www.macrumors.com/2022/09/28/apple-refuses-to-accept-chip-price-hike/

Maybe Apple can use Intel for negotiating purposes with TSMC. 

Longer term, Intel is looking like it has a chance (maybe) of being more competitive than Samsung as a potential second source. Also, intel is less of a competitor to Apple than Sammy. 

edit -- just to be clear, I'm talking about Intel as a foundry for Apple silicon, not Apple using Intel's crappy x86 designs. 

edited September 2022

ravnorodom

JinTech said:

9secondkox2 said:

“Intel wants everyone to have high perform  as nice.” LOL

Exactly why Apple is making its own silicon - so everyone can have high performance, not just future lap burn victims. 

M1 scared Intel to high Heaven. They came back 3DFX style, just adding more stuff. And consuming your monthly power budget in the process. 

M2 comes out and Intel thinks they have a slight respite. Haven’t even seen the Max/Ultra/Extreme. Going to be medication time. 

And they have no clue what’s in store with M3. 

Nobody wants Intel anymore. Just fold up and ask Apple for a job. 

Just imagine, M4 will be even crazier!

I can't imagine what M4 will look like. I hope it's not like M1 chip staking on top of each other 4 times.

blastdoor

ravnorodom said:

JinTech said:

9secondkox2 said:

“Intel wants everyone to have high perform  as nice.” LOL

Exactly why Apple is making its own silicon - so everyone can have high performance, not just future lap burn victims. 

M1 scared Intel to high Heaven. They came back 3DFX style, just adding more stuff. And consuming your monthly power budget in the process. 

M2 comes out and Intel thinks they have a slight respite. Haven’t even seen the Max/Ultra/Extreme. Going to be medication time. 

And they have no clue what’s in store with M3. 

Nobody wants Intel anymore. Just fold up and ask Apple for a job. 

Just imagine, M4 will be even crazier!

I can't imagine what M4 will look like. I hope it's not like M1 chip staking on top of each other 4 times.

M4 will likely still be on 3nm (same as M3), so probably not as big an improvement as M3.

jintech

9secondkox2 said:

JinTech said:

9secondkox2 said:

“Intel wants everyone to have high perform  as nice.” LOL

Exactly why Apple is making its own silicon - so everyone can have high performance, not just future lap burn victims. 

M1 scared Intel to high Heaven. They came back 3DFX style, just adding more stuff. And consuming your monthly power budget in the process. 

M2 comes out and Intel thinks they have a slight respite. Haven’t even seen the Max/Ultra/Extreme. Going to be medication time. 

And they have no clue what’s in store with M3. 

Nobody wants Intel anymore. Just fold up and ask Apple for a job. 

Just imagine, M4 will be even crazier!

Yeah, you think you know what you’re poking at, but it’s not there. It’s been widely discussed that M3 is the Apple Silicon Apple has been pushing toward. M1 was a nice baby step. M2 keeps the momentum. M3 is where Apple gets to show off a bit and add the higher end chips into devices with less thermal overhead. Let’s revisit in 9 months. 

If Intel can produce reliably and Apple needs the supply, then perhaps Intel can be allowed to produce the base M chips. 

Oh, I guarantee you Apple is there now with the M4. They do not just release a new chip after only having been developing it for a few months. But yes, I do agree, M3 will be the absolute monster. I cannot wait to revisit in 9 months! See the reactions on the Wintel user's faces!

omasou

I don't every see Intel supplying CPU/GPUs to Apple, unless those Intel foundries are in the US and/or Apple needs to diversify chip production partners.

Or make an Apple toaster /s

waveparticle

9secondkox2 said:

“Intel wants everyone to have high perform  as nice.” LOL

Exactly why Apple is making its own silicon - so everyone can have high performance, not just future lap burn victims. 

M1 scared Intel to high Heaven. They came back 3DFX style, just adding more stuff. And consuming your monthly power budget in the process. 

M2 comes out and Intel thinks they have a slight respite. Haven’t even seen the Max/Ultra/Extreme. Going to be medication time. 

And they have no clue what’s in store with M3. 

Nobody wants Intel anymore. Just fold up and ask Apple for a job. 

I have no clue too. What new hat tricks Apple have besides increasing all kinds of cores?

rezwits

Think, back in 2005 IBM + Motorola + Apple, were jamming along with

PowerPC G4s and G5s. In the video arena as far as compressing, cutting,

and chopping video, they had a good 25-50% advantage. When a Dual

533 mHz G4 could compress DV video faster at that rate than an Intel 2.0

gHz chip, but compiling code and opening heavy Excel documents, Intel

was clearly better.

There was only one problem that Apple knew they couldn't defeat, the

chips drew a lot of power, they were noisy to maintain (i.e. fans blasting),

and when they tried a liquid cooling system, they threw in the towel.

It was at this point Apple said, "Guys, we have to go with Intel chips." They

knew they could make up the speed differences with better software and

even dedicated "daughter" chips if needed. But the whisper quiet nature of

the Intel chips with just a slight fan going, they had to SWITCH, they WERE

NOT IN DENIAL.

Fast thru the BS we all know about (2021). It's at this same point that Intel is

at; THE SAME EXACT INFLECTION POINT: Intel chips draw to much

power, they are too noisy, and even liquid cooling is a pain, BUT they

refuse to throw in the towel. Is this because "They don't quit!"? Or sheer

"Microsoft" or "Windows" Hard headedness? YES, THEY ARE IN DENIAL.

Some in the industry are NOT in DENIAL, but they are in a really hard spot.

This is due to the fact that Microsoft is a HORRIBLE company, gutter,

rubbish, absolute garbage. They cannot get Windows working fast enough

on ARM, they are at least 5 years behind, if not impossible. I honestly

think, I mean it's clear to see, all there is left standing, (or will be), is

Android on ARM, and/or some flavor of Linux Desktop(s), on ARM.

Leaving things up to Linus and the community. It's really piss poor, that

Microsoft + Intel are in this HOLE, but it's story of complacency, it's a

long way down...

I mean the horse beaten, repetitive story of, Windows is on 2 Billion

computers is getting old don't we think? There's some that live in denial

and some that don't...

https://www.arm.com/company/news/2021/02/arm-ecosystem-ships-record-6-billion-arm-based-chips-in-a-single-quarter

tundraboy

mac_dog said:

sandor said:

Intel is still highly successful at building their chips on a 10 nm process, Apple has *never* been able to do that

Yeah, apple just leapfrogged and started building 6nm chips. 😁

Looks like somebody left their irony detector switch at the off position.

ragingfighter

Not only did they make a better chip in general for their needs than you didn’t tell consider are you talking about a company that could just straight out by you if they needed you lol if they come back to you it’s because you did some they can’t do and I highly doubt that yet but we’ll see

toddbu

Intel chips are as popular with Apple’s customers as the butterfly keyboard and touch bar

killroy

rob53 said:

What capabilities do Intel chips have that Apple can’t replicate with their own chips?  

Well they do keep you nice and warm at your desk.

luisfernandez

Since Apple has its chip, I don't find a reason to buy it from Intel.