iPhone must use USB-C by 2024, says EU law

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  • Reply 61 of 84
    When the EU first started talking about this, USB-C wasn’t even around. So without an end date or a built-in process to revise the standard, it will stifle innovation. As the previous poster noted with the Mercedes question - gov’t imposed standards often lead to design compromises that while it achieves a certain goal, it does not allow for that goal to improve such as with dynamically adjustable laser lights that increase safety for the driver and on-coming traffic. The centralized bureaucracy will inhibit the improvements that private enterprise can make. 

    Remember, charging with USB-C is only one side of the equation. Data transfer is the other. Will we really reduce e-waste? I highly doubt it. People acquire charging bricks and cables for convenience, so multiple devices can be charged when needed, even simultaneously. 

    To me this is like an electric car charging network where to achieve a certain government goal, you have to sit in a waiting line for the next available car charger at some remote location that doesn’t have a public restroom. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 62 of 84
    bala1234 said:
    macgui said:
    I don't mind USB-C for anything other than iPads or iPhones. Newer iPads already use USB-C, but I'd like to see Apple keep it off the iPhone for as long as possible. I'm good with Lightning.

    It wouldn't and couldn't happen, but I'd like to see Apple say FU to the EU — "USB-C?? WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' USB-C!" Not gonna happen though. The EU is too big of a market, so if Apple can't get around them, say "hi" to in on the phone.

    Why? not trying to start a flame war here but, you have iPads and presumably already have usb-c chargers and cables. You are really so eager to carry one more cable?. I get the point about distaste for bureaucracies dictating terms to private companies. But why would you be opposed to it personally?

    What will you say in 5 years when Apple or the industry comes up with a far superior standard but it takes another 5 years for the bureaucracy to get off their collective butts and pass legislation? 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 63 of 84
    davidwdavidw Posts: 1,742member
    crowley said:
    lkrupp said:
    For those of you who are rejoicing over Apple being forced to do something it doesn’t want to do what will be your response when the EU or some other government mandates something YOU don’t like and don’t want? What if the EU decides to ‘harmonize’ operating systems by mandating Android as the official mobile operating system of its territory. All mobile devices operating in the EU must run Android ‘for the good of the people’. Wouldn’t that be a benefit to citizens? They could buy whichever brand of phone they want and not have to buy or re-download apps. They wouldn’t have to learn how to use a different operating system. They would all get updates at the same time for the same bugs and security patches. One big homogenous family!

    Then there’s right-to-repair on the horizon. Anyone who thinks there won’t be government input on how a device is designed and manufactured is whistling past the graveyard. The activists have been clamoring for years for standardization of screws, sealing compounds and methods, component replacement (which would definitely include design changes), and user replaceable batteries. 

    Once the camel’s nose is under the tent you know what happens after that.
    For all you rejoicing over the government mandating seatbelts, just imagine how you’ll feel when the government demands that all cars have six wheels.

    It’s coming, you better believe it. 

    Terrible analogy and a fallacy in logic on your part.  Seatbelts and the laws forcing drivers to wear sealbelts has been proven to save lives. In fact many, if not most regulations by the US and EU has been proven to benefit consumers in such ways as lower cost, more choices, child safety, cleaner air, saving lives, reducing waste, increasing privacy, longer lasting products, etc. There is practically zero benefit to the average consumers for government demanding that all cars have 6 wheels. Though I wish there were laws that require autos sold to have 5 wheels, including the spare tire. But there is no law requiring auto manufacturers to include a spare tire with the purchase of a new car or even the space in the car to carry one. (at least not in the US). Now, consumer trucks that carry or tow heavy loads can have six wheels. Either with 2 front wheels and 4 wheels on a single rear axle or double rear axle with 2 wheels each axle.   


    Here the EU is forcing Apple to use a port on their devices that in no way have any real benefit for the consumers. This is not about requiring the use of a standard USB-C charger  in order to reduce E-waste. Apple devices and many other older electronic devices already can use a USB-C charger (for charging), regardless of the port on the device. Limiting the use of a USB-C charger to only devices that have a USB-C port would be counter productive, but yet, this is what the  EU is essentially demanding. Not just from Apple but from makers of headphones, keyboards, speakers, mice, laptops, cameras, GPS's, etc.. The fact that a USB-C charger is compatible and backward compatible (with the correct cable) to devices that have lightening, USB- A, USB mini, USB micro and even MagSafe charging ports is one of the design feature of a USB-C charger. Otherwise, they might as well permanently attach a USB-C  connector cable to the charger (like the old 5W iPhone lightening charger). That would be as stupid as government demanding all cars have six wheels.    
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 64 of 84
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    davidw said:
    crowley said:
    lkrupp said:
    For those of you who are rejoicing over Apple being forced to do something it doesn’t want to do what will be your response when the EU or some other government mandates something YOU don’t like and don’t want? What if the EU decides to ‘harmonize’ operating systems by mandating Android as the official mobile operating system of its territory. All mobile devices operating in the EU must run Android ‘for the good of the people’. Wouldn’t that be a benefit to citizens? They could buy whichever brand of phone they want and not have to buy or re-download apps. They wouldn’t have to learn how to use a different operating system. They would all get updates at the same time for the same bugs and security patches. One big homogenous family!

    Then there’s right-to-repair on the horizon. Anyone who thinks there won’t be government input on how a device is designed and manufactured is whistling past the graveyard. The activists have been clamoring for years for standardization of screws, sealing compounds and methods, component replacement (which would definitely include design changes), and user replaceable batteries. 

    Once the camel’s nose is under the tent you know what happens after that.
    For all you rejoicing over the government mandating seatbelts, just imagine how you’ll feel when the government demands that all cars have six wheels.

    It’s coming, you better believe it. 

    Terrible analogy and a fallacy in logic on your part.  Seatbelts and the laws forcing drivers to wear sealbelts has been proven to save lives. In fact many, if not most regulations by the US and EU has been proven to benefit consumers in such ways as lower cost, more choices, child safety, cleaner air, saving lives, reducing waste, increasing privacy, longer lasting products, etc. There is practically zero benefit to the average consumers for government demanding that all cars have 6 wheels. Though I wish there were laws that require autos sold to have 5 wheels, including the spare tire. But there is no law requiring auto manufacturers to include a spare tire with the purchase of a new car or even the space in the car to carry one. (at least not in the US). Now, consumer trucks that carry or tow heavy loads can have six wheels. Either with 2 front wheels and 4 wheels on a single rear axle or double rear axle with 2 wheels each axle.   


    Here the EU is forcing Apple to use a port on their devices that in no way have any real benefit for the consumers. This is not about requiring the use of a standard USB-C charger  in order to reduce E-waste. Apple devices and many other older electronic devices already can use a USB-C charger (for charging), regardless of the port on the device. Limiting the use of a USB-C charger to only devices that have a USB-C port would be counter productive, but yet, this is what the  EU is essentially demanding. Not just from Apple but from makers of headphones, keyboards, speakers, mice, laptops, cameras, GPS's, etc.. The fact that a USB-C charger is compatible and backward compatible (with the correct cable) to devices that have lightening, USB- A, USB mini, USB micro and even MagSafe charging ports is one of the design feature of a USB-C charger. Otherwise, they might as well permanently attach a USB-C  connector cable to the charger (like the old 5W iPhone lightening charger). That would be as stupid as government demanding all cars have six wheels.    
    Shut up with the essays, it wasn’t meant to be an analogy it was meant to mock a stupid post.
  • Reply 65 of 84
    davidwdavidw Posts: 1,742member
    crowley said:
    davidw said:
    crowley said:
    lkrupp said:
    For those of you who are rejoicing over Apple being forced to do something it doesn’t want to do what will be your response when the EU or some other government mandates something YOU don’t like and don’t want? What if the EU decides to ‘harmonize’ operating systems by mandating Android as the official mobile operating system of its territory. All mobile devices operating in the EU must run Android ‘for the good of the people’. Wouldn’t that be a benefit to citizens? They could buy whichever brand of phone they want and not have to buy or re-download apps. They wouldn’t have to learn how to use a different operating system. They would all get updates at the same time for the same bugs and security patches. One big homogenous family!

    Then there’s right-to-repair on the horizon. Anyone who thinks there won’t be government input on how a device is designed and manufactured is whistling past the graveyard. The activists have been clamoring for years for standardization of screws, sealing compounds and methods, component replacement (which would definitely include design changes), and user replaceable batteries. 

    Once the camel’s nose is under the tent you know what happens after that.
    For all you rejoicing over the government mandating seatbelts, just imagine how you’ll feel when the government demands that all cars have six wheels.

    It’s coming, you better believe it. 

    Terrible analogy and a fallacy in logic on your part.  Seatbelts and the laws forcing drivers to wear sealbelts has been proven to save lives. In fact many, if not most regulations by the US and EU has been proven to benefit consumers in such ways as lower cost, more choices, child safety, cleaner air, saving lives, reducing waste, increasing privacy, longer lasting products, etc. There is practically zero benefit to the average consumers for government demanding that all cars have 6 wheels. Though I wish there were laws that require autos sold to have 5 wheels, including the spare tire. But there is no law requiring auto manufacturers to include a spare tire with the purchase of a new car or even the space in the car to carry one. (at least not in the US). Now, consumer trucks that carry or tow heavy loads can have six wheels. Either with 2 front wheels and 4 wheels on a single rear axle or double rear axle with 2 wheels each axle.   


    Here the EU is forcing Apple to use a port on their devices that in no way have any real benefit for the consumers. This is not about requiring the use of a standard USB-C charger  in order to reduce E-waste. Apple devices and many other older electronic devices already can use a USB-C charger (for charging), regardless of the port on the device. Limiting the use of a USB-C charger to only devices that have a USB-C port would be counter productive, but yet, this is what the  EU is essentially demanding. Not just from Apple but from makers of headphones, keyboards, speakers, mice, laptops, cameras, GPS's, etc.. The fact that a USB-C charger is compatible and backward compatible (with the correct cable) to devices that have lightening, USB- A, USB mini, USB micro and even MagSafe charging ports is one of the design feature of a USB-C charger. Otherwise, they might as well permanently attach a USB-C  connector cable to the charger (like the old 5W iPhone lightening charger). That would be as stupid as government demanding all cars have six wheels.    
    Shut up with the essays, it wasn’t meant to be an analogy it was meant to mock a stupid post.

    Must be our "King's English", because it doesn't come through as that.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 66 of 84
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 3,716member
    lkrupp said:
    For those of you who are rejoicing over Apple being forced to do something it doesn’t want to do what will be your response when the EU or some other government mandates something YOU don’t like and don’t want? What if the EU decides to ‘harmonize’ operating systems by mandating Android as the official mobile operating system of its territory. All mobile devices operating in the EU must run Android ‘for the good of the people’. Wouldn’t that be a benefit to citizens? They could buy whichever brand of phone they want and not have to buy or re-download apps. They wouldn’t have to learn how to use a different operating system. They would all get updates at the same time for the same bugs and security patches. One big homogenous family!

    Then there’s right-to-repair on the horizon. Anyone who thinks there won’t be government input on how a device is designed and manufactured is whistling past the graveyard. The activists have been clamoring for years for standardization of screws, sealing compounds and methods, component replacement (which would definitely include design changes), and user replaceable batteries. 

    Once the camel’s nose is under the tent you know what happens after that.
    Nice histrionics. Next time make a post that isn’t full of slippery slope arguments and uses facts and reason instead. 
    muthuk_vanalingamwatto_cobra
  • Reply 67 of 84
    JP234JP234 Posts: 815member
    hogman said:
    I won’t upgrade to an iPhone with USB-C. I have 10+ lightning cables and this will result in furthering man made climate change by forcing millions of people like me to go buy all new cables and charging blocks since most of mine are the old usb square blocks and old ipad blocks as well. 
    Yes you will. I've heard this trope about every change every company has ever made. Myself, I traded in my buggy whip for an ignition key 50 years ago. And my 4-speed for a 10 speed automatic 4 years ago. And my Apple SCSI, ADC, RS-232, FireWire, Mini DisplayPort, Mini DVI, Mini VGA, and 2.5 mm Mini audio jack.
    MplsPwatto_cobra
  • Reply 68 of 84
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 6,522member
    theLedger said:
    bala1234 said:
    macgui said:
    I don't mind USB-C for anything other than iPads or iPhones. Newer iPads already use USB-C, but I'd like to see Apple keep it off the iPhone for as long as possible. I'm good with Lightning.

    It wouldn't and couldn't happen, but I'd like to see Apple say FU to the EU — "USB-C?? WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' USB-C!" Not gonna happen though. The EU is too big of a market, so if Apple can't get around them, say "hi" to in on the phone.

    Why? not trying to start a flame war here but, you have iPads and presumably already have usb-c chargers and cables. You are really so eager to carry one more cable?. I get the point about distaste for bureaucracies dictating terms to private companies. But why would you be opposed to it personally?

    What will you say in 5 years when Apple or the industry comes up with a far superior standard but it takes another 5 years for the bureaucracy to get off their collective butts and pass legislation? 
    The current text does not say 'USB-C forever' and explicitly makes mention of potential future improvements.

    However, it is very unlikely that solutions tied to one single company will be approved unless the technology is made freely available to all. It is far more likely that an industry proposal could be up for appraisal though.

    The whole point of harmonising the current situation is to reduce/eliminate fragmentation, reduce e-waste, improve interoperability etc. One company going its own way wouldn't help in those efforts.

    The technology is under continual review and, as I mentioned further up, the EU even included a reference to a future version of the USB-C specification in the text.


    MplsPmuthuk_vanalingamspheric
  • Reply 69 of 84
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    davidw said:
    crowley said:
    davidw said:
    crowley said:
    lkrupp said:
    For those of you who are rejoicing over Apple being forced to do something it doesn’t want to do what will be your response when the EU or some other government mandates something YOU don’t like and don’t want? What if the EU decides to ‘harmonize’ operating systems by mandating Android as the official mobile operating system of its territory. All mobile devices operating in the EU must run Android ‘for the good of the people’. Wouldn’t that be a benefit to citizens? They could buy whichever brand of phone they want and not have to buy or re-download apps. They wouldn’t have to learn how to use a different operating system. They would all get updates at the same time for the same bugs and security patches. One big homogenous family!

    Then there’s right-to-repair on the horizon. Anyone who thinks there won’t be government input on how a device is designed and manufactured is whistling past the graveyard. The activists have been clamoring for years for standardization of screws, sealing compounds and methods, component replacement (which would definitely include design changes), and user replaceable batteries. 

    Once the camel’s nose is under the tent you know what happens after that.
    For all you rejoicing over the government mandating seatbelts, just imagine how you’ll feel when the government demands that all cars have six wheels.

    It’s coming, you better believe it. 

    Terrible analogy and a fallacy in logic on your part.  Seatbelts and the laws forcing drivers to wear sealbelts has been proven to save lives. In fact many, if not most regulations by the US and EU has been proven to benefit consumers in such ways as lower cost, more choices, child safety, cleaner air, saving lives, reducing waste, increasing privacy, longer lasting products, etc. There is practically zero benefit to the average consumers for government demanding that all cars have 6 wheels. Though I wish there were laws that require autos sold to have 5 wheels, including the spare tire. But there is no law requiring auto manufacturers to include a spare tire with the purchase of a new car or even the space in the car to carry one. (at least not in the US). Now, consumer trucks that carry or tow heavy loads can have six wheels. Either with 2 front wheels and 4 wheels on a single rear axle or double rear axle with 2 wheels each axle.   


    Here the EU is forcing Apple to use a port on their devices that in no way have any real benefit for the consumers. This is not about requiring the use of a standard USB-C charger  in order to reduce E-waste. Apple devices and many other older electronic devices already can use a USB-C charger (for charging), regardless of the port on the device. Limiting the use of a USB-C charger to only devices that have a USB-C port would be counter productive, but yet, this is what the  EU is essentially demanding. Not just from Apple but from makers of headphones, keyboards, speakers, mice, laptops, cameras, GPS's, etc.. The fact that a USB-C charger is compatible and backward compatible (with the correct cable) to devices that have lightening, USB- A, USB mini, USB micro and even MagSafe charging ports is one of the design feature of a USB-C charger. Otherwise, they might as well permanently attach a USB-C  connector cable to the charger (like the old 5W iPhone lightening charger). That would be as stupid as government demanding all cars have six wheels.    
    Shut up with the essays, it wasn’t meant to be an analogy it was meant to mock a stupid post.

    Must be our "King's English", because it doesn't come through as that.
    I get it, you know that I’m British. Stop being such a weirdo and bringing it up all the time.
  • Reply 70 of 84
    JP234 said:
    hogman said:
    I won’t upgrade to an iPhone with USB-C. I have 10+ lightning cables and this will result in furthering man made climate change by forcing millions of people like me to go buy all new cables and charging blocks since most of mine are the old usb square blocks and old ipad blocks as well. 
    Yes you will. I've heard this trope about every change every company has ever made. Myself, I traded in my buggy whip for an ignition key 50 years ago. And my 4-speed for a 10 speed automatic 4 years ago. And my Apple SCSI, ADC, RS-232, FireWire, Mini DisplayPort, Mini DVI, Mini VGA, and 2.5 mm Mini audio jack.
    Don’t tell me what I will or won’t do. You are clueless in this situation. I will simply wait until it goes port less. I can easily hold onto a iPhone 14 for 5+ years if need be. Quit thinking so much of yourself
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 71 of 84
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    hogman said:
    JP234 said:
    hogman said:
    I won’t upgrade to an iPhone with USB-C. I have 10+ lightning cables and this will result in furthering man made climate change by forcing millions of people like me to go buy all new cables and charging blocks since most of mine are the old usb square blocks and old ipad blocks as well. 
    Yes you will. I've heard this trope about every change every company has ever made. Myself, I traded in my buggy whip for an ignition key 50 years ago. And my 4-speed for a 10 speed automatic 4 years ago. And my Apple SCSI, ADC, RS-232, FireWire, Mini DisplayPort, Mini DVI, Mini VGA, and 2.5 mm Mini audio jack.
    Don’t tell me what I will or won’t do. You are clueless in this situation. I will simply wait until it goes port less. I can easily hold onto a iPhone 14 for 5+ years if need be. Quit thinking so much of yourself
    Why would you wait for it to go portless?  It can do inductive charging now if you are so allergic to USB-C cables. 
    MplsP
  • Reply 72 of 84
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 3,716member
    The degree of histrionics and gnashing of teeth in this thread is astounding. Apple has already switched to USB C in iPads and I saw not a single person saying "damned communist Apple made me use USB C!" or "No way in Hell I'm getting an iPad with a USB C port! I'll just keep it until they make it portliest!" I get the impression that had Apple switched the iPhone to USB C ports on it's own people would have been gushing about how much better USB C is than lightning.

    Honestly, other than the inconvenience of eventually getting some new cables, precisely how does this harm anyone? I'm not talking about some hypothetical future harm in 10 years, I'm talking about actual harm.
    muthuk_vanalingamwatto_cobra
  • Reply 73 of 84
    JP234JP234 Posts: 815member
    crowley said:
    hogman said:
    JP234 said:
    hogman said:
    I won’t upgrade to an iPhone with USB-C. I have 10+ lightning cables and this will result in furthering man made climate change by forcing millions of people like me to go buy all new cables and charging blocks since most of mine are the old usb square blocks and old ipad blocks as well. 
    Yes you will. I've heard this trope about every change every company has ever made. Myself, I traded in my buggy whip for an ignition key 50 years ago. And my 4-speed for a 10 speed automatic 4 years ago. And my Apple SCSI, ADC, RS-232, FireWire, Mini DisplayPort, Mini DVI, Mini VGA, and 2.5 mm Mini audio jack.
    Don’t tell me what I will or won’t do. You are clueless in this situation. I will simply wait until it goes port less. I can easily hold onto a iPhone 14 for 5+ years if need be. Quit thinking so much of yourself
    Why would you wait for it to go portless?  It can do inductive charging now if you are so allergic to USB-C cables. 
    He's just blowing troll farts. This type of whining about every tech advance is so common it's boring.
  • Reply 74 of 84
    bala1234bala1234 Posts: 102member
    theLedger said:
    bala1234 said:
    macgui said:
    I don't mind USB-C for anything other than iPads or iPhones. Newer iPads already use USB-C, but I'd like to see Apple keep it off the iPhone for as long as possible. I'm good with Lightning.

    It wouldn't and couldn't happen, but I'd like to see Apple say FU to the EU — "USB-C?? WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' USB-C!" Not gonna happen though. The EU is too big of a market, so if Apple can't get around them, say "hi" to in on the phone.

    Why? not trying to start a flame war here but, you have iPads and presumably already have usb-c chargers and cables. You are really so eager to carry one more cable?. I get the point about distaste for bureaucracies dictating terms to private companies. But why would you be opposed to it personally?

    What will you say in 5 years when Apple or the industry comes up with a far superior standard but it takes another 5 years for the bureaucracy to get off their collective butts and pass legislation? 

    I didn't say I am fan of "bureaucracies dictating terms to private companies" Just that I am glad not having manage one more cable.  Personally though I believe apple was going to do it on its own (timeline) given that the wireless charging hasn't made the necessary progress to completely replace the wired variety.  Before anybody asks that's based on the fact that all mac's and all ipad's now are already on usb-c
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 75 of 84
    crowley said:
    hogman said:
    JP234 said:
    hogman said:
    I won’t upgrade to an iPhone with USB-C. I have 10+ lightning cables and this will result in furthering man made climate change by forcing millions of people like me to go buy all new cables and charging blocks since most of mine are the old usb square blocks and old ipad blocks as well. 
    Yes you will. I've heard this trope about every change every company has ever made. Myself, I traded in my buggy whip for an ignition key 50 years ago. And my 4-speed for a 10 speed automatic 4 years ago. And my Apple SCSI, ADC, RS-232, FireWire, Mini DisplayPort, Mini DVI, Mini VGA, and 2.5 mm Mini audio jack.
    Don’t tell me what I will or won’t do. You are clueless in this situation. I will simply wait until it goes port less. I can easily hold onto a iPhone 14 for 5+ years if need be. Quit thinking so much of yourself
    Why would you wait for it to go portless?  It can do inductive charging now if you are so allergic to USB-C cables. 
    It looks to be highly likely that within the next 5 years the iPhone will be portless. I just upgraded my iPhone XS and the only issue was reduced battery life. So short of me losing my phone I won’t upgrade until it’s portless. Nothing to do with usb-c, I was messing around on my first post but then some guy made a douchey reply so I explained he was wrong and he still can’t accept that for some reason
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 76 of 84
    sphericspheric Posts: 2,290member
    davidw said:
    spheric said:
    Madbum said:
    spheric said:
    Madbum said:
    EU=Modern day communists in suits
    Anything I don't like = communism. 

    It's amazing how McCarthyism can still raise its perverse stink, seven decades and more than two generations later. 
    Do you see USA telling BMW to make cars like GM?

    Maybe you like communism?
    That's probably the dumbest thing I'm going to read all day, I think. 

    Do you mean like US regulators have been telling German manufacturers to build cars for many decades?  :D

    European version: 



    US version, with required double headlights and the ugly bumper-car bumpers completely ruining the gorgeous lines and the lightness of the design: 


    Fuckin' Commies, those Americans. 

    That's a poor example to compare to the EU forcing Apple to use the USB-C port on their devices, for the perceived benefit of reducing E-waste from chargers.

    First of all […lots of interesting, but ultimately irrelevant — to the actual argument I was making — information snipped…]

    But I do agree that the Euro Mercedes were much more "sleeker" looking than the US models of the same year. 

      
    That's a whole lot of words for "Yes, I agree that US regulations force European car manufacturers to build to their specifications and have been doing so for many decades." ;-)

    The poor example was in the bullshit comment I was responding to, which simply and falsely claimed that this didn't happen. 

    Also, the R 107 was built from 1971 to 1989, so whatever happened in 1980 was already a decade into production. 

    I DO appreciate the informative content of your comment, mind. It's just missing the actual point of mine. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 77 of 84
    sphericspheric Posts: 2,290member
    spheric said:
    thrang said:
    What if someone invents a better connector next year? Or: who would be motivated to think of something better?

    It is deeply inappropriate for governments to get this granularly invasive in industrial product design. Moronic is the better way to describe it.


    While I fundamentally believe that the government should absolutely get involved when things go south, I share your concern about what happens three years from now when a better connector shows up. 

    It does give me pause that last year alone, chargers obsoleted by new phones apparently accounted for ELEVEN TONS of garbage in the EU. 
    Depending on whether you meant TONS (2000 pounds) or TONNES (1000kg, ~2200 pounds) then it's either 0.0000429187561 pounds per person or 0.00002145937805 kilograms (~0.02 grams) per person.
    Thanks for making me go back and checking this. 

    It's eleven THOUSAND tonnes (the difference between the metric and the mediaeval units is close enough to make ballpark figures interchangeable) through unused/obsoleted chargers per year in the EU, though that figure is not limited to phone chargers. 

    Estimates are that this legislature will reduce e-waste by about 1000 tonnes per year within the EU. Since this will likely drive standardisation globally, and not just within the EU, the effects will be considerable — if just a drop in the ocean of total waste. 
    muthuk_vanalingamwatto_cobra
  • Reply 78 of 84
    sphericspheric Posts: 2,290member
    Does the new EU law apply only to sold device or does it also apply to leased devices? Maybe Apple could simply lease all new iPhones in the EU to skirt the law.
    AFAIK, every device or car that is leased is first sold to the company that's doing the actual leasing.

    That may be a subsidiary of the manufacturer, but it's a financial service company that owns the machine. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 79 of 84
    sphericspheric Posts: 2,290member
    hogman said:
    JP234 said:
    hogman said:
    I won’t upgrade to an iPhone with USB-C. I have 10+ lightning cables and this will result in furthering man made climate change by forcing millions of people like me to go buy all new cables and charging blocks since most of mine are the old usb square blocks and old ipad blocks as well. 
    Yes you will. I've heard this trope about every change every company has ever made. Myself, I traded in my buggy whip for an ignition key 50 years ago. And my 4-speed for a 10 speed automatic 4 years ago. And my Apple SCSI, ADC, RS-232, FireWire, Mini DisplayPort, Mini DVI, Mini VGA, and 2.5 mm Mini audio jack.
    Don’t tell me what I will or won’t do. You are clueless in this situation. I will simply wait until it goes port less. I can easily hold onto a iPhone 14 for 5+ years if need be. Quit thinking so much of yourself
    Well, thanks for adapting your buying behaviour towards reducing waste and proving the effectiveness of this legislature! 
  • Reply 80 of 84
    thttht Posts: 4,729member
    spheric said:
    spheric said:
    thrang said:
    What if someone invents a better connector next year? Or: who would be motivated to think of something better?

    It is deeply inappropriate for governments to get this granularly invasive in industrial product design. Moronic is the better way to describe it.


    While I fundamentally believe that the government should absolutely get involved when things go south, I share your concern about what happens three years from now when a better connector shows up. 

    It does give me pause that last year alone, chargers obsoleted by new phones apparently accounted for ELEVEN TONS of garbage in the EU. 
    Depending on whether you meant TONS (2000 pounds) or TONNES (1000kg, ~2200 pounds) then it's either 0.0000429187561 pounds per person or 0.00002145937805 kilograms (~0.02 grams) per person.
    Thanks for making me go back and checking this. 

    It's eleven THOUSAND tonnes (the difference between the metric and the mediaeval units is close enough to make ballpark figures interchangeable) through unused/obsoleted chargers per year in the EU, though that figure is not limited to phone chargers. 

    Estimates are that this legislature will reduce e-waste by about 1000 tonnes per year within the EU. Since this will likely drive standardisation globally, and not just within the EU, the effects will be considerable — if just a drop in the ocean of total waste. 
    That's still a very small number. Maybe it is 11 million tonnes?

    If it is 11,000 tonnes, and using FileMakerFeller's numbers, that's 20 grams per person. 20 grams! There's about 5x more grams of sugar in a can of soda, and people go through a lot of that on a daily basis. People probably go through 20 grams of plastic per day. I think I get 20 grams of plastic in the letters I get. Not talking about fake plastic credit cards. I'm talking about the clear plastic "window" of letters that I get in the mail. Like a month's worth of those might be 20 grams.

    The EU really should drop the e-waste rationale. They should go all-in on the usability angle. It will be more convenient to have one type of charging port for the hundreds of low-power gadgets in a house. I'd love nothing more to get rid of outlet power bricks. External drives, toothbrushes, landline phones, anything with low Watt rechargeable battery or low Watt power consumption. Those power bricks probably drive more e-waste than Apple's Lightning connector because they force people to buy more power strips.
    muthuk_vanalingam
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