Apple Fellow Phil Schiller quits Twitter

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  • Reply 61 of 72
    pjohnt said:
    Stunning and brave. ߙ䦬t;/div>
    LOL

    I like Phil, but this little passive aggressive move is so lame. 

    I get that Apple execs (many of whom drive Teslas and hope to compete with a car of their own) dislike Musk for competitive reasons - and that he is a bit more of a Steve Jobs than Cook is, but this is just childish. Twitter finally has good leadership and is the same media outlet they knew and loved. Just use it like you do everything else. 

    I can just see these guys sweating through their withdrawals over a few days before deactivating and some moving to inferior services just because. Hilarious. 
    dumbest take ever.  and I mean.. ever.
    ronnmacguiwilliamlondondrdavid
  • Reply 62 of 72
    LeoMCLeoMC Posts: 102member
    ITGUYINSD said:
    LeoMC said:
    rammorris said:
    Free speech doesn’t compel me to stay on a platform that circulates harmful lies.
    You do know that - hopefully - in every single democratic city when you get out of your house you meet people that exercise their right to free speech?! You are saying that you would rather live in a dictatorship instead of living in a place where even the stupidest peoples are allowed (I'm not saying encouraged, I just say protected) to speak freely?
    What a choice!  Live in a dictatorship where one cannot speak the truth or live like we live now where there are organized and allowed efforts to flood social media with lies and misinformation that the "stupidest people" would rather believe than the truth.  Isn't there a middle ground like before 2016?
    Of course it is: educate oneself and learn how to select one's sources; for instance, no matter what Fo, CN, BB, Fa, Tw etc are saying, I will never believe anything about Ukraine and liar Zelensky without first confirm it from RT, TA, CT, HT and/or AJ.
  • Reply 63 of 72
    LeoMCLeoMC Posts: 102member
    LeoMC said:
    rammorris said:
    Free speech doesn’t compel me to stay on a platform that circulates harmful lies.
    You do know that - hopefully - in every single democratic city when you get out of your house you meet people that exercise their right to free speech?! You are saying that you would rather live in a dictatorship instead of living in a place where even the stupidest peoples are allowed (I'm not saying encouraged, I just say protected) to speak freely?
    like yelling Fire! in a crowded movie theater?  uh huh.
    The freedom of speech does not mean one is not liable for one's actions; one should be free to speak one's mind but one should also pay for the damages of one's speech.
    edited November 2022
  • Reply 64 of 72
    LeoMC said:
    LeoMC said:
    rammorris said:
    Free speech doesn’t compel me to stay on a platform that circulates harmful lies.
    You do know that - hopefully - in every single democratic city when you get out of your house you meet people that exercise their right to free speech?! You are saying that you would rather live in a dictatorship instead of living in a place where even the stupidest peoples are allowed (I'm not saying encouraged, I just say protected) to speak freely?
    like yelling Fire! in a crowded movie theater?  uh huh.
    The freedom of speech does not mean one is not liable for one's actions; one should be free to speak one's mind but one should also pay for the damages of one's speech.
    one.  hahaha
  • Reply 65 of 72
    It is comical reading some of these posts.  To quit because of a person being on it (you can block lol) or because Elon owns it…also not anyone with self respect cares if you quit.  Good bye.  Cya.  Twitter is 10x more balanced than ever.  I now see all views.  Why is that bad?
    williamlondon
  • Reply 66 of 72
    Maybe the future of social media is one social media engine used exclusively by conservatives, and a different one used exclusively by socialists. Companies with a political agenda will use only one of these two engines, and they won't even advertise on the engine that doesn't suit their own political agenda. Neutral companies may never be allowed to advertise on either platform because they will be banned by each platform if they advertise on the other platform.

    Basically, you have to pick your side before you can interact with anyone on the Internet. Ultimately, socialists will have their own nationwide VPN and conservatives will be forced to have their own too. This will finally bring peace to the Internet. At least nobody will argue about politics anymore because everyone will be on their own political VPN.
    The inverse of conservative is liberal. And even that isn't exact, but far more reality-based than your BS.
    ronnmuthuk_vanalingamwilliamlondondrdavid
  • Reply 67 of 72
    clemynxclemynx Posts: 1,552member
    pjohnt said:
    Stunning and brave. ߙ䦬t;/div>
    LOL

    I like Phil, but this little passive aggressive move is so lame. 

    I get that Apple execs (many of whom drive Teslas and hope to compete with a car of their own) dislike Musk for competitive reasons - and that he is a bit more of a Steve Jobs than Cook is, but this is just childish. Twitter finally has good leadership and is the same media outlet they knew and loved. Just use it like you do everything else. 

    I can just see these guys sweating through their withdrawals over a few days before deactivating and some moving to inferior services just because. Hilarious. 
    It's not passive aggressive and it’s not lame. If every person complaining about Twitter did the same, everyone would be happier. 
    ronndrdavid
  • Reply 68 of 72
    drdavid said:
    Madbum said:
    ilarynx said:
    Madbum said:
    Madbum said:
    Be very careful there Phil. More than  Half of this country  and likely more than half of the Apple users agree with Musk and his views on Free speech .

    So political statements like this is not what shareholders want to see. 
    Ironically you are advising him to be weary of expressing his own free speech.
    Well no, as long as he represents Apple and is beholden to shareholders, he has a duty to act in a manner that will not damage the shareholders

    if he resigns, he can ran around with his pants off protesting a Twitter no problem!
    While the execs and C-level personnel have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders, I'm not sure an Apple "Fellow" does, senior or otherwise. 

    Regardless, a lot of companies and shareholders are learning that remaining on Twitter is a bit of a gamble these days:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2022/11/11/kari-lake-lockheed-martin-and-eli-lilly-here-are-the-companies-celebrities-and-politicians-impersonated-in-twitter-blue-chaos/?sh=6b2cb94b3871

    "Half of this country... agrees with Musk"? Either you live in a country different than mine, or you need to share what you're smoking with the rest of the group. 
    I think you like imagine your coastal state as America. Or did you think Biden won 140 million to 15 million? And not 80 million to 74 million? (California and New York was responsible for most of the difference) And the US senate is not 50-50 or Republicans don’t have the house?

    and I say this as somebody who voted for Biden

    and I will say it’s likely way more than half agree with Musk when it comes to free speech, I do and many of my friends who vote Democrat do as well.

    lastly, Schiller part of the executive team so he is c-suite
    You think half the country agrees with
    musk based on the fact that trump lost the last election!? You must be the same kind of person who declared themselves the “moral majority” in the ‘80’s (religious wackos with a million or two members)

    I don’t know how many people agree with musk but his take on free speech is convoluted and ignorant. 
    Yes, I will bet you money the at least  the 53 percent of Americans who just gave Republicans the House agree with Musk on Free speech. If you don’t think that, you are the one in the bubble.

    Musk position on free speech is convoluted? Says you? But that is ok, I disagree but you can say it because it’s your right. But don’t try to say what I say is wrong because you disagree. 
  • Reply 69 of 72
    Madbum said:
    drdavid said:
    Madbum said:
    ilarynx said:
    Madbum said:
    Madbum said:
    Be very careful there Phil. More than  Half of this country  and likely more than half of the Apple users agree with Musk and his views on Free speech .

    So political statements like this is not what shareholders want to see. 
    Ironically you are advising him to be weary of expressing his own free speech.
    Well no, as long as he represents Apple and is beholden to shareholders, he has a duty to act in a manner that will not damage the shareholders

    if he resigns, he can ran around with his pants off protesting a Twitter no problem!
    While the execs and C-level personnel have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders, I'm not sure an Apple "Fellow" does, senior or otherwise. 

    Regardless, a lot of companies and shareholders are learning that remaining on Twitter is a bit of a gamble these days:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2022/11/11/kari-lake-lockheed-martin-and-eli-lilly-here-are-the-companies-celebrities-and-politicians-impersonated-in-twitter-blue-chaos/?sh=6b2cb94b3871

    "Half of this country... agrees with Musk"? Either you live in a country different than mine, or you need to share what you're smoking with the rest of the group. 
    I think you like imagine your coastal state as America. Or did you think Biden won 140 million to 15 million? And not 80 million to 74 million? (California and New York was responsible for most of the difference) And the US senate is not 50-50 or Republicans don’t have the house?

    and I say this as somebody who voted for Biden

    and I will say it’s likely way more than half agree with Musk when it comes to free speech, I do and many of my friends who vote Democrat do as well.

    lastly, Schiller part of the executive team so he is c-suite
    You think half the country agrees with
    musk based on the fact that trump lost the last election!? You must be the same kind of person who declared themselves the “moral majority” in the ‘80’s (religious wackos with a million or two members)

    I don’t know how many people agree with musk but his take on free speech is convoluted and ignorant. 
    Yes, I will bet you money the at least  the 53 percent of Americans who just gave Republicans the House agree with Musk on Free speech. If you don’t think that, you are the one in the bubble.

    Musk position on free speech is convoluted? Says you? But that is ok, I disagree but you can say it because it’s your right. But don’t try to say what I say is wrong because you disagree. 
    Lol. That is the same logic the “moral majority” used. Just assume over 150 million people agree with whatever your personal opinion is. At least you’re brave enough to bet me on it (eyeroll). 

    I absolutely will tell you that what you say is wrong. Because it is wrong. 
    muthuk_vanalingamdarkvaderJP234
  • Reply 70 of 72
    darkvaderdarkvader Posts: 1,146member
    Maybe the future of social media is one social media engine used exclusively by conservatives, and a different one used exclusively by socialists. Companies with a political agenda will use only one of these two engines, and they won't even advertise on the engine that doesn't suit their own political agenda. Neutral companies may never be allowed to advertise on either platform because they will be banned by each platform if they advertise on the other platform.

    Basically, you have to pick your side before you can interact with anyone on the Internet. Ultimately, socialists will have their own nationwide VPN and conservatives will be forced to have their own too. This will finally bring peace to the Internet. At least nobody will argue about politics anymore because everyone will be on their own political VPN.

    Can we please stop pretending that right wing extremists are "conservative".  They're not.  They're racist, homophobic, transphobic, anti-science, absolutely horrible people.

    No one was ever banned from Twitter for posting opinions about transportation subsidies or healthcare spending.  Bans were for utterly vile hate, lying about public health, and attempting to destroy democracy.


    thtronn
  • Reply 71 of 72
    darkvaderdarkvader Posts: 1,146member
    rcomeau said:
    Maybe the future of social media is one social media engine used exclusively by conservatives, and a different one used exclusively by socialists. Companies with a political agenda will use only one of these two engines, and they won't even advertise on the engine that doesn't suit their own political agenda. Neutral companies may never be allowed to advertise on either platform because they will be banned by each platform if they advertise on the other platform.

    Basically, you have to pick your side before you can interact with anyone on the Internet. Ultimately, socialists will have their own nationwide VPN and conservatives will be forced to have their own too. This will finally bring peace to the Internet. At least nobody will argue about politics anymore because everyone will be on their own political VPN.
    So anyone who is not "conservative" is by your definition a socialist? Not the best way to encourage respectful and honest exchange of ideas. Have fun with the pillow guy.
    I know, right?  The Democratic Party is for the most part a center-right party.

    As an actual democratic socialist, the claims of the far right would be laughable if they weren't so dangerous.
    thtmuthuk_vanalingamronn
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