Foxconn paid 20,000 rioting workers to leave the company

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Following riots over pay, Apple's main iPhone manufacturer Foxconn has now offered $1,400 to protesters, conditional on resignation.




There were many reasons why hundreds rioted at Foxconn's Zhengzhou plant, including complaints about a lack of food during COVID confinement. One issue, though, was how Foxconn allegedly altered employment contracts so that new workers did not get the pay they were promised.

Following the riot -- and an Apple team arriving at the scene -- managers at Foxconn apologized to workers for what it called a "technical error."

According to Reuters, Foxconn subsequently offered 10,000 yuan ($1,400) to protesting new recruits who agreed to resign. An unspecified source told Reuters that over 20,000 workers had accepted the payment and left.

It's not clear whether all 20,000 were involved in the rioting, but it appears they were mostly new hires so it's likely they were affected by the "technical error." Reuters says that these new hires were not yet working on Foxconn's production lines.

Chinese state authorities recently announced that Foxconn needed 100,000 more workers, and also asked retired military personnel to take on roles.

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  • Reply 1 of 29
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 424member
    Whole thing staged by CCP to hurt American company Apple and Taiwanese  Foxconn.         “ indirectly”

    Not a conspiracy, it’s fact. A week ago, Local Chinese government offered retired communist party members and soldiers to work for Foxconn. These were the same people protesting yesterday clock work like military. And today these same people says they are leaving… Gee whiz?


    edited November 2022 watto_cobra
  • Reply 2 of 29
    Madbum said:
    Whole thing staged by CCP to hurt American company Apple and Taiwanese  Foxconn.         “ indirectly”

    Not a conspiracy, it’s fact. A week ago, Local Chinese government offered retired communist party members and soldiers to work for Foxconn. These were the same people protesting yesterday clock work like military. And today these same people says they are leaving… Gee whiz?


    How do you prove they are the same people. LOL 
    edited November 2022 viclauyycgatorguy
  • Reply 3 of 29
    Conspiracy or not, Apple needs to find a new resource. Would I pay $200 more for an iPhone sources from a non-humanitarian humiliating state? Yes/No. I’d like to see Apple eat $100 of the new resource costs, then I’d happily fork over another $100 too. Foxconn China is just a terrible company. I really want to see Apple diversify in its manufacturing network. 
    edited November 2022 Anilu_777watto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 29
    AniMill said:
    Conspiracy or not, Apple needs to find a new resource. Would I pay $200 more for an iPhone sources from a non-humanitarian humiliating state? Yes/No. I’d like to see Apple eat $100 of the new resource costs, then I’d happily fork over another $100 too. Foxconn China is just a terrible company. I really want to see Apple diversify in its manufacturing network. 
    You forgot the riots in India? LOL
  • Reply 5 of 29
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,324member
    Madbum said:
    Whole thing staged by CCP to hurt American company Apple and Taiwanese  Foxconn.         “ indirectly”

    Not a conspiracy, it’s fact. A week ago, Local Chinese government offered retired communist party members and soldiers to work for Foxconn. These were the same people protesting yesterday clock work like military. And today these same people says they are leaving… Gee whiz?


    Why would the CCP want to hurt Apple when the company provides employment for hundreds of thousands of workers, fills the coffers of the CCP with taxes from the manufacture and sales of its products in China. Even for communists money talks and bullshit walks.
    viclauyycwatto_cobraFileMakerFellertyler82muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 6 of 29
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,324member
    AniMill said:
    Conspiracy or not, Apple needs to find a new resource. Would I pay $200 more for an iPhone sources from a non-humanitarian humiliating state? Yes/No. I’d like to see Apple eat $100 of the new resource costs, then I’d happily fork over another $100 too. Foxconn China is just a terrible company. I really want to see Apple diversify in its manufacturing network. 
    You might but the average Western consumer certainly would not, period. Wherever cheap labor exists there will be these kinds of problems. Not excusing anything but that's how the world works and always has. The anti-war crowd finds that out every time they try to stop one. So have the anti-fossil fuel activists. The recent climate talks in Egypt focused on reparations that developed countries would pay to poor countries for the damages they caused which would run into the trillions of dollars. Like that would ever happen, EVER.
    watto_cobraFileMakerFellerdanox
  • Reply 7 of 29
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 424member
    Madbum said:
    Whole thing staged by CCP to hurt American company Apple and Taiwanese  Foxconn.         “ indirectly”

    Not a conspiracy, it’s fact. A week ago, Local Chinese government offered retired communist party members and soldiers to work for Foxconn. These were the same people protesting yesterday clock work like military. And today these same people says they are leaving… Gee whiz?


    How do you prove they are the same people. LOL 
    Because these people haven’t even started working yet and they all extorted money from Foxconn. They signed papers last week and they got paid to leave today. It’s called a paper trail or in this case , a weibo trail

    So they know exactly who they are. 

    Sounds like we have CCP sympathizer ?
    edited November 2022 watto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 29
    Madbum said:
    Madbum said:
    Whole thing staged by CCP to hurt American company Apple and Taiwanese  Foxconn.         “ indirectly”

    Not a conspiracy, it’s fact. A week ago, Local Chinese government offered retired communist party members and soldiers to work for Foxconn. These were the same people protesting yesterday clock work like military. And today these same people says they are leaving… Gee whiz?


    How do you prove they are the same people. LOL 
    Because these people haven’t even started working yet and they all extorted money from Foxconn. So they know exactly who they are. 

    Sounds like we have CCP sympathizer ?
    Foxconn told you they have not started? Where do you get the information? 
  • Reply 9 of 29
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 424member
    Madbum said:
    Madbum said:
    Whole thing staged by CCP to hurt American company Apple and Taiwanese  Foxconn.         “ indirectly”

    Not a conspiracy, it’s fact. A week ago, Local Chinese government offered retired communist party members and soldiers to work for Foxconn. These were the same people protesting yesterday clock work like military. And today these same people says they are leaving… Gee whiz?


    How do you prove they are the same people. LOL 
    Because these people haven’t even started working yet and they all extorted money from Foxconn. So they know exactly who they are. 

    Sounds like we have CCP sympathizer ?
    Foxconn told you they have not started? Where do you get the information? 
    Taiwan.

    but just read this head line 

    “20k people paid and told to leave”

    They were hired last week and  and their argument was Foxconn breeched  contract because they thought they were getting their money upfront

    but Foxconn contract clearly said full bonus will be paid at end of 6 months

    so Foxconn decided to pay these 20 k new people brought in by Local CCP government and told them to leave.

    so Foxconn don’t even want them there anymore… in the middle of worker shortage. So Foxconn knows what is up 


    edited November 2022 watto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 29
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 424member
    lkrupp said:
    Madbum said:
    Whole thing staged by CCP to hurt American company Apple and Taiwanese  Foxconn.         “ indirectly”

    Not a conspiracy, it’s fact. A week ago, Local Chinese government offered retired communist party members and soldiers to work for Foxconn. These were the same people protesting yesterday clock work like military. And today these same people says they are leaving… Gee whiz?


    Why would the CCP want to hurt Apple when the company provides employment for hundreds of thousands of workers, fills the coffers of the CCP with taxes from the manufacture and sales of its products in China. Even for communists money talks and bullshit walks.
    That is why they are trying to hurt them indirectly so they have plausible deniability on the surface. This is retaliation for  the Chips ban sanction set forth by Biden.

    however, this is mainly to destroy and take over  Foxconn and hurt Taiwan but just a light nudge for Apple. Apple will be fine. They want to force Foxconn out and leave all the infrastructure and factories there for a company called Li Shin

    https://www.cw.com.tw/article/5101103

    , or the Foxconn of China, they already assemble all of the AirPods in China as off 1 year ago, guess who assembled all the AirPods before last year? 

    2 Taiwanese companies …

    This goes pretty  deep so everything is what what it seems 

    But Apple will be fine because they have already been planning that. As cook is said to have a great working relationship with Li Shin and their CEO, and frankly Apple has no choice…Apples plan is to have Foxconn do their manufacturing in India , Vietnam and some in USA but seems like the CCP cannot wait to get Foxconn out… Victim here is Democracy and Taiwan 
    edited November 2022 watto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 29
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 424member
    On a side note. I am not sure how Apple is doing it. But IPhone 14 pro wait times has come down 1 full week last 24 hours, so Apple has found a way to increase supply amidst all of this somehow 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 29
    Madbum said:
    On a side note. I am not sure how Apple is doing it. But IPhone 14 pro wait times has come down 1 full week last 24 hours, so Apple has found a way to increase supply amidst all of this somehow 
    I think they also make iPhones in VietNam and India so maybe from there.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 13 of 29
    Madbum said:
    Madbum said:
    Madbum said:
    Whole thing staged by CCP to hurt American company Apple and Taiwanese  Foxconn.         “ indirectly”

    Not a conspiracy, it’s fact. A week ago, Local Chinese government offered retired communist party members and soldiers to work for Foxconn. These were the same people protesting yesterday clock work like military. And today these same people says they are leaving… Gee whiz?


    How do you prove they are the same people. LOL 
    Because these people haven’t even started working yet and they all extorted money from Foxconn. So they know exactly who they are. 

    Sounds like we have CCP sympathizer ?
    Foxconn told you they have not started? Where do you get the information? 
    Taiwan.

    but just read this head line 

    “20k people paid and told to leave”

    They were hired last week and  and their argument was Foxconn breeched  contract because they thought they were getting their money upfront

    but Foxconn contract clearly said full bonus will be paid at end of 6 months

    so Foxconn decided to pay these 20 k new people brought in by Local CCP government and told them to leave.

    so Foxconn don’t even want them there anymore… in the middle of worker shortage. So Foxconn knows what is up 


    Let me ask you one more time. Is this exactly what Foxconn said?
    FileMakerFeller
  • Reply 14 of 29
    jdwjdw Posts: 1,159member
    lkrupp said:
    Why would the CCP want to hurt Apple when the company provides employment for hundreds of thousands of workers, fills the coffers of the CCP with taxes from the manufacture and sales of its products in China. Even for communists money talks and bullshit walks.
    To even ask WHY the CCP would want to hurt anyone or any organization shows an utter lack of knowledge about Communists or a lack of concern, both of which are scary.  There once was a time in America when Americans knew just how heinous communism is.  These days, it seems younger folks are totally and utterly oblivious.  That is more unsettling than the news of riots.  The atrocities commented by the CCP are too numerous to mention and that is indeed WHY they would be will to "hurt Apple."

    With that said, I personally don't think there is any kind of conspiracy here at all.  The commies are always pulling strings, to be sure.  But in this case, it really does appear those strings being pulled are merely attempts at getting reliable, non-rioting workers to perform important tasks at Foxconn.  When there are no riots, Foxconn is a shining diamond to the world of what's possible in communist China and the CCP knows that.  But when there are riots and general discontent, the CCP knows that news will leak, and that tarnishes the image the CCP wants to project.  Don't think that the CCP wouldn't turn on Apple on a dime though if it was in their best interest to do so.  MONEY matters little when the commies are out to get you for something they profoundly dislike.  Apple may bring benefits to the CCP right now, but Apple still has crosshairs on its back.

    It would be nice if Apple could get its manufacturing out of this communist nation.  But for now, it seems they really have no better options but to be there.  
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 29
    jdw said:
    lkrupp said:
    Why would the CCP want to hurt Apple when the company provides employment for hundreds of thousands of workers, fills the coffers of the CCP with taxes from the manufacture and sales of its products in China. Even for communists money talks and bullshit walks.
    To even ask WHY the CCP would want to hurt anyone or any organization shows an utter lack of knowledge about Communists or a lack of concern, both of which are scary.  There once was a time in America when Americans knew just how heinous communism is.  These days, it seems younger folks are totally and utterly oblivious.  That is more unsettling than the news of riots.  The atrocities commented by the CCP are too numerous to mention and that is indeed WHY they would be will to "hurt Apple."

    With that said, I personally don't think there is any kind of conspiracy here at all.  The commies are always pulling strings, to be sure.  But in this case, it really does appear those strings being pulled are merely attempts at getting reliable, non-rioting workers to perform important tasks at Foxconn.  When there are no riots, Foxconn is a shining diamond to the world of what's possible in communist China and the CCP knows that.  But when there are riots and general discontent, the CCP knows that news will leak, and that tarnishes the image the CCP wants to project.  Don't think that the CCP wouldn't turn on Apple on a dime though if it was in their best interest to do so.  MONEY matters little when the commies are out to get you for something they profoundly dislike.  Apple may bring benefits to the CCP right now, but Apple still has crosshairs on its back.

    It would be nice if Apple could get its manufacturing out of this communist nation.  But for now, it seems they really have no better options but to be there.  
    This is guilty conscience from some anti-China Taiwanese. Because in good conscience they know what US did to Huawei and the Chip war against China is not good. They try to divert the attention to CCP to justify what US government is doing to China. The free democratic world is gradually falling into a mentally retarded hatred state. This is what a Walmart manager said before killing six employees. He said he felt being possessed by satan. He was ridiculed.  A people felt being bullies turned into hatred then use killing as retaliation. This is exaggeration. 
    edited November 2022
  • Reply 16 of 29
    jdwjdw Posts: 1,159member
    jdw said:
    lkrupp said:
    Why would the CCP want to hurt Apple when the company provides employment for hundreds of thousands of workers, fills the coffers of the CCP with taxes from the manufacture and sales of its products in China. Even for communists money talks and bullshit walks.
    To even ask WHY the CCP would want to hurt anyone or any organization shows an utter lack of knowledge about Communists or a lack of concern, both of which are scary.  There once was a time in America when Americans knew just how heinous communism is.  These days, it seems younger folks are totally and utterly oblivious.  That is more unsettling than the news of riots.  The atrocities commented by the CCP are too numerous to mention and that is indeed WHY they would be will to "hurt Apple."

    With that said, I personally don't think there is any kind of conspiracy here at all.  The commies are always pulling strings, to be sure.  But in this case, it really does appear those strings being pulled are merely attempts at getting reliable, non-rioting workers to perform important tasks at Foxconn.  When there are no riots, Foxconn is a shining diamond to the world of what's possible in communist China and the CCP knows that.  But when there are riots and general discontent, the CCP knows that news will leak, and that tarnishes the image the CCP wants to project.  Don't think that the CCP wouldn't turn on Apple on a dime though if it was in their best interest to do so.  MONEY matters little when the commies are out to get you for something they profoundly dislike.  Apple may bring benefits to the CCP right now, but Apple still has crosshairs on its back.

    It would be nice if Apple could get its manufacturing out of this communist nation.  But for now, it seems they really have no better options but to be there.  
    This is guilty conscience from some anti-China Taiwanese. Because in good conscience they know what US did to Huawei and the Chip war against China is not good. They try to divert the attention to CCP to justify what US government is doing to China. The free democratic world is gradually falling into a mentally retarded hatred state. This is what a Walmart manager said before killing six employees. He said he felt being possessed by satan. He was ridiculed.  A people felt being bullies turned into hatred then use killing as retaliation. This is exaggeration. 
    I read your post, but I must admit I really didn't understand it within the context of what I wrote. What the US and the Western world has allegedly "done to China" must never be in any way whatsoever a defense of communism or something that makes us overlook ongoing atrocities propagated by the CCP. And to cite a recent US shooting tragedy by an obviously mentally ill person with an unfortunate access to deadly weapons is totally out of place.

    Apple has chosen to make its products in a country where low cost labor and advanced technological skills abound.  That is a logical business decision.  However, they are also aware that it comes with high risks.  As time goes on, those risks seem to be increasing, which is why Apple badly needs other options.  And while Taiwan is one option, they need other low cost options in light of the precarious state of things between Taiwan and the mainland.  

    Some of us think of Apple as a beloved tech manufacturer who offers some nice services too.  But it's more than that.  Many people have Apple in their 401K's. Investing is more than just something for the wealthy.  Anyone with an ounce of smarts and education is engaged in it to some level.  The US economy in many ways depends on high tech companies born in the USA, and Apple is a huge part of that.  So what undermines and harms Apple harms a vast number of people outside Apple too, not to mention the lesser problem of product delays and the like.  

    Seeing Apple succeed is what we Apple geeks of course want, but even people who aren't geeks or die hard Apple fans still want Apple to succeed for reasons different than our own.  That is why articles like this are important.  We need to know because a lot is at stake.  If Apple could get out of China, that would be great, but it cannot do that for quite some time.  That's why we must just grit our teeth and hold on for the ride.
  • Reply 17 of 29
    jdw said:
    jdw said:
    lkrupp said:
    Why would the CCP want to hurt Apple when the company provides employment for hundreds of thousands of workers, fills the coffers of the CCP with taxes from the manufacture and sales of its products in China. Even for communists money talks and bullshit walks.
    To even ask WHY the CCP would want to hurt anyone or any organization shows an utter lack of knowledge about Communists or a lack of concern, both of which are scary.  There once was a time in America when Americans knew just how heinous communism is.  These days, it seems younger folks are totally and utterly oblivious.  That is more unsettling than the news of riots.  The atrocities commented by the CCP are too numerous to mention and that is indeed WHY they would be will to "hurt Apple."

    With that said, I personally don't think there is any kind of conspiracy here at all.  The commies are always pulling strings, to be sure.  But in this case, it really does appear those strings being pulled are merely attempts at getting reliable, non-rioting workers to perform important tasks at Foxconn.  When there are no riots, Foxconn is a shining diamond to the world of what's possible in communist China and the CCP knows that.  But when there are riots and general discontent, the CCP knows that news will leak, and that tarnishes the image the CCP wants to project.  Don't think that the CCP wouldn't turn on Apple on a dime though if it was in their best interest to do so.  MONEY matters little when the commies are out to get you for something they profoundly dislike.  Apple may bring benefits to the CCP right now, but Apple still has crosshairs on its back.

    It would be nice if Apple could get its manufacturing out of this communist nation.  But for now, it seems they really have no better options but to be there.  
    This is guilty conscience from some anti-China Taiwanese. Because in good conscience they know what US did to Huawei and the Chip war against China is not good. They try to divert the attention to CCP to justify what US government is doing to China. The free democratic world is gradually falling into a mentally retarded hatred state. This is what a Walmart manager said before killing six employees. He said he felt being possessed by satan. He was ridiculed.  A people felt being bullies turned into hatred then use killing as retaliation. This is exaggeration. 
    I read your post, but I must admit I really didn't understand it within the context of what I wrote. What the US and the Western world has allegedly "done to China" must never be in any way whatsoever a defense of communism or something that makes us overlook ongoing atrocities propagated by the CCP. And to cite a recent US shooting tragedy by an obviously mentally ill person with an unfortunate access to deadly weapons is totally out of place.

    Apple has chosen to make its products in a country where low cost labor and advanced technological skills abound.  That is a logical business decision.  However, they are also aware that it comes with high risks.  As time goes on, those risks seem to be increasing, which is why Apple badly needs other options.  And while Taiwan is one option, they need other low cost options in light of the precarious state of things between Taiwan and the mainland.  

    Some of us think of Apple as a beloved tech manufacturer who offers some nice services too.  But it's more than that.  Many people have Apple in their 401K's. Investing is more than just something for the wealthy.  Anyone with an ounce of smarts and education is engaged in it to some level.  The US economy in many ways depends on high tech companies born in the USA, and Apple is a huge part of that.  So what undermines and harms Apple harms a vast number of people outside Apple too, not to mention the lesser problem of product delays and the like.  

    Seeing Apple succeed is what we Apple geeks of course want, but even people who aren't geeks or die hard Apple fans still want Apple to succeed for reasons different than our own.  That is why articles like this are important.  We need to know because a lot is at stake.  If Apple could get out of China, that would be great, but it cannot do that for quite some time.  That's why we must just grit our teeth and hold on for the ride.
    Atrocities are in the eyes of Western culture. Chinese culture loves peace. Western culture loves personal freedom. For the purpose of peace, Chinese culture emphasizes authority. Personal freedom and peace are two competing thins. It is a duet. To support personal freedom, you must allow free speech, speech with no limit. Bully is a form of free speech, If you are truly a westerner you will agree bully is a form of free speech. Chines government ban this kind of bad things. Western culture regards it as atrocities. I hope you are well educated to understand what I mean. I believe Steve Jobs and Apple never looked at China as the what the present political propaganda is portraying China to be. Over ten years China was governed by CCP. Steve Jobs and Apple knew it. They did not consider it as bad. If you read Madbum's facts carefully, you will see he made up facts. This is allowed in AI. But is is not allowed in China. So Madam calls China bad because his irresponsible free speech is not allowed. And you will agree with him as an atrocity. 
  • Reply 18 of 29
    jdwjdw Posts: 1,159member
    @waveparticle ;
    Much of what you have written seems to be what an official mouthpiece of the CCP would say.

    I agree that the Chinese people love peace and therefore strive to have that in their culture, but such is done in spite of the CCP.  Culture of the general Chinese populace isn't necessarily the same as the culture the CCP wants to inflict on society.  Traditional "old" Chinese culture has been largely destroyed by the CCP.  This is not simply a Western idea but reality.  And any peace-loving Chinese person in China who feels the same is certainly not going to get their voice heard once the CCP finds out.  The people of Hong Kong have been finding that out over the last four years.

    https://tfipost.com/2020/09/china-was-a-beautiful-country-with-a-great-civilisation-but-then-came-ccp-now-china-needs-independence-from-it/

    Just because Steve Jobs and Apple executives and the board knew that China was communist does not suggest they "did not consider it as bad." They made a purely business decision based on cheap labor, technologically savvy factories that could be trained, the lucrative potential of selling millions of iPhones to the Chinese people, etc. That decision was made in spite of the anticipated difficulties they would encounter in freedom-limiting China, which limits freedom as per the iron fist of the CCP, not as per the heartfelt desire of the Chinese people.  The CCP and the Chinese people are not necessarily one in the same thing, although most people comply so as to avoid a CCP crackdown.

    Apple has compromised its "Western" principles to continue business in China and has been reaping the financial rewards of that:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/17/technology/apple-china-doug-guthrie.html

    But to remain in its lofty position in China means Apple must continue to compromise its principles and endure the risks like COVID lockdowns and confrontations between the mainland and Taiwan.  It's a delicate situation to be in.  I would be very surprised to see Apple doing the same thing in China 20 years from now.  The tightrope they're walking now carries many risks.  Twenty thousand rioting workers is but a drop in a sea of problems.


  • Reply 19 of 29
    Yeah, so I read Waveparticle’s posts above and he is clearly a SHILL for the CCP.

    This whole article seems to inform us that this is a “Foxconn issue” or a “ issue”, when, in fact, it’s a “China Zero COVID lock down issue”. Go watch “The China Show” on YouTube with Laowhy86 and Serpentza, two guys who spent a decade travelling China to get a better informed opinion.

    This misinformation campaign by the China government isn’t working on me.

    Obiwanbill
  • Reply 20 of 29
    jdw said:
    @waveparticle ;
    Much of what you have written seems to be what an official mouthpiece of the CCP would say.

    I agree that the Chinese people love peace and therefore strive to have that in their culture, but such is done in spite of the CCP.  Culture of the general Chinese populace isn't necessarily the same as the culture the CCP wants to inflict on society.  Traditional "old" Chinese culture has been largely destroyed by the CCP.  This is not simply a Western idea but reality.  And any peace-loving Chinese person in China who feels the same is certainly not going to get their voice heard once the CCP finds out.  The people of Hong Kong have been finding that out over the last four years.

    https://tfipost.com/2020/09/china-was-a-beautiful-country-with-a-great-civilisation-but-then-came-ccp-now-china-needs-independence-from-it/

    Just because Steve Jobs and Apple executives and the board knew that China was communist does not suggest they "did not consider it as bad." They made a purely business decision based on cheap labor, technologically savvy factories that could be trained, the lucrative potential of selling millions of iPhones to the Chinese people, etc. That decision was made in spite of the anticipated difficulties they would encounter in freedom-limiting China, which limits freedom as per the iron fist of the CCP, not as per the heartfelt desire of the Chinese people.  The CCP and the Chinese people are not necessarily one in the same thing, although most people comply so as to avoid a CCP crackdown.

    Apple has compromised its "Western" principles to continue business in China and has been reaping the financial rewards of that:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/17/technology/apple-china-doug-guthrie.html

    But to remain in its lofty position in China means Apple must continue to compromise its principles and endure the risks like COVID lockdowns and confrontations between the mainland and Taiwan.  It's a delicate situation to be in.  I would be very surprised to see Apple doing the same thing in China 20 years from now.  The tightrope they're walking now carries many risks.  Twenty thousand rioting workers is but a drop in a sea of problems.


    You still don't understand culture. You try to link me to CCP proves it.

    Culture is contained in the history and historical writings. Unless CCP destroys Chinese language and hide its history, the Chinese culture will never be forgotten by Chinese people. Since this the absolute truth, CCP cannot continue its governing without conforming to Chinese culture. 

    I don't think you understand Western culture believes in absolute personal freedom. If you look at the several thousands years Chinese history. Chinese people is governed by a central government and emperor. They have much less personal freedom in political matters than today. 

    And you don't seem to understand politics. US is democratic nation. But President Trump did many things with presidential orders without the approval of people and not Congress. Politics is just like this. TSMC has to obey US order to move several hundreds employees and family to Arizona. This is democracy? Give me a break!

    US government and CCP is on a par in terms of politics. See Jobs and Apple ignored political in their business decisions. And what you are trying to do on Apple is imposing politics on Apple. 
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