You might be ready for side loading on iPhone, but your parents aren't

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There are a handful of pros to getting access to alternative app stores and side-loading on iPhone, but way more cons -- especially for tech support.

Alternate app stores and side-loading could come to iOS
Alternate app stores and side-loading could come to iOS


The magic of Apple's single App Store approach has always been its simplicity, which could soon disappear. If the EU gets its way, and it likely will, Apple will soon introduce the ability for users to side-load apps and use alternative app stores.

On the surface, this could be a net win for users. More choice, competition, and software previously only available on Android could come to iPhone.

However, it is a little more complicated than that. While we don't have the details of Apple's implementation, and won't until they say something about it, some basic ideas are worth addressing.

Side-loading vs alternative App Stores

An alternative app store would allow users to purchase apps and download them directly to their iPhone without a jailbreak or other operating system alteration. Third parties would control these stores and offer alternative payment systems like PayPal or cryptocurrency.

Side-loading is an even less centralized version of this and can be thought of similarly to getting apps for the Mac. Users would be able to purchase software directly from a vendor's website and download it without any interference.

Of course, there would still be restrictions and control from Apple. Instead of Apple acting like Walmart stocking its shelves with apps, it would act like a city choosing which stores could operate and how.

Side-loading would ultimately allow users to install any app they want within reason. Again, Apple will still have control over the OS, so unless these apps violate the device's security, they should only be able to do what is currently allowed.

Alternative app stores would theoretically be required to operate within some level of restrictions. They would offer similar apps to Apple but use different payment systems and have alternative content guidelines.

Emulators might finally work on iPhone without workarounds
Emulators might finally work on iPhone without workarounds


For example, an alternate app store might have pornographic material, or apps like "Fortnite" that were kicked off the store for a number of reasons. Emulators that don't sell illegal game ROMs would likely also be acceptable as long as users provide their own game files.

Unlike Google's open Android operating system, Apple will likely still regulate and gatekeep to an extent. However, it would have much less control, and more sneaky spyware or scams would creep in.

Expect absolutely every big tech company that can to spin off their own app store. Microsoft has already said that they want one, and given the battles that Facebook has been fighting with Apple for years, they will likely remove their app from Apple's App Store and make their own.

And, how the in-app purchase model will work under this system is anybody's guess.

Jailbreak lives on

No matter what Apple does to address the EU law, it won't be enough for everyone. Jailbreaking allows users to change how iOS operates and bypasses all restrictions set by Apple.

Apple will likely be required to unlock some aspects of its hardware and software previously kept for first-party use. This will be done in the name of market fairness but does open up the possibility for abuse.

So, realize that side-loading and alternate app stores do not signal the end of Jailbreaking. Control over the OS itself will still be restricted.

Potential risks for users

Users shouldn't worry about a sudden influx of dangerous viruses -- as long as Apple executes this move correctly. Though scams, gambling, and privacy-violating software will likely be more easily accessible to users.

It isn't clear if this will be something available by default within iOS or if multiple scary dialog boxes and hidden menus must be navigated first. The implementation angle performed by Apple could mean the difference between it only affecting select nerds or your grandmother.

Apple prevents certain apps from appearing on its App Store but won't have absolute control if other stores are in play. For example, Facebook could re-introduce Onavo Protect and begin collecting extensive data from users.

Not every threat has to come in the form of an iPhone-destroying virus. Users could run into fake versions of apps that collect bank logins, for example.

Tech support with grandparents might become a nightmare. Image source: Apple TV+ 'Mythic Quest'
Tech support with grandparents might become a nightmare. Image source: Apple TV+ 'Mythic Quest'


If you're the family tech support, ensure everyone understands the risks and help block off potential abuse ahead of time. Apple will likely eliminate some issues, like giving parents control over whether a child can side-load at all.

Keep in mind that no system is foolproof. Even if Apple hides alternative app stores and side-loading behind multiple levels of authentication, the most technically inept users can get by. Some scams can appear on YouTube or Facebook with videos or articles instructing users to bypass Apple's restrictions. People might do this because they've been convinced to install a malicious crypto app, casino app, or spyware via an ad.

Tech support will be precarious after Apple's App Store changes go into effect.

None of this may happen

All that being said, Apple may not implement any of this. Or, at the least, it won't be implemented in the way we expect.

Apple is reportedly beginning work on supporting side-loading and alternative app stores, but it doesn't have to comply until 2024. Multiple companies will likely push against this regulation, and a lot can change in a year.

WWDC 2023 will likely be the canary for these features. If Apple addresses alternate app stores or side-loading there, then the features will already have been implemented. Otherwise, Apple will wait until the last minute to comply.

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  • Reply 1 of 24
    I recently had to help my MIL set up something with her iPhone. When I asked her to open the App Store she hunted around between 4 screens of app icons before declaring she doesn’t have an App Store. 

    I showed her how to find it and then how search for the app she needed. 

    Here’s the thing, she thinks she downloaded Words with Friends and Township from Facebook. Why? Because she saw an ad on FB, tapped it and it brought her to the App Store where she downloaded it. She doesn’t realize she left Facebook and went to Apple’s store. 

    As mentioned in the article, I can absolutely see her being urged to install a third-party store, having no idea what she’s in for, and downloading Onavo or worse, and being none the wiser, all from some ad on Facebook. 

    Third-party stores and side-loading will be a boon to shady developers. 

    ETA: My MIL also has a Mac, her first was a Bondi Blue iMac, so she isn’t new to them. I have made it a habit to run Malware Bytes every couple of months for her and it isn’t particularly uncommon for something to be found. She loves to install stupid BS “apps”, like the one that put a rotating carousel on her desktop (“It’s SO CUTE!”) and meanwhile it’s getting flagged as malware. I had to argue with her about removiung some malware program she had installed. She was upset that I wanted to delete it because she had paid for it.

    My guess is that sort of thing will only get worse when/if iOS is opened to third-party stores or side-loading.
    edited December 2022 twokatmewSomethingCreativerob53freeassociate2Bart Yappleuseryeahwatto_cobrajony0
  • Reply 2 of 24

    As mentioned in the article, I can absolutely see her being urged to install a third-party store, having no idea what she’s in for, and downloading Onavo or worse, and being none the wiser, all from some ad on Facebook. 

    Third-party stores and side-loading will be a boon to shady developers. 
    I have to imagine Apple will make this an “opt-in” feature that will pop up warnings about how enabling third-party app stores could affect security and stability and that simply clicking on an add to install an app from a third-party store won’t simply be allowed.
    Bart Yllamawatto_cobrajony0
  • Reply 3 of 24

    As mentioned in the article, I can absolutely see her being urged to install a third-party store, having no idea what she’s in for, and downloading Onavo or worse, and being none the wiser, all from some ad on Facebook. 

    Third-party stores and side-loading will be a boon to shady developers. 
    I have to imagine Apple will make this an “opt-in” feature that will pop up warnings about how enabling third-party app stores could affect security and stability and that simply clicking on an add to install an app from a third-party store won’t simply be allowed.
    I agree. Keep in mind, that won’t matter. One both my mom’s and my MIL’s phones I’ve had to remove profiles that they had no idea how it got onto their phone. They were walked through how to do it after tapping an ad for some all they wanted. 

    I can see the same sort of thing happening for shady apps. Tap ad, go to shady developer’s website where there are instructions on what to change on the phone in order to install app, make changes, install. 
    SomethingCreativestompywatto_cobrajony0
  • Reply 4 of 24
    I hope Apple will have a button in Settings to disable showing all side loading apps. 
    I also hope Apple wouldn’t implement this obtrusive EU mandate and instead come up with a desirable device rental model. 
    SomethingCreativewatto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 24
    This is an awful idea. 

    If the EU wants alt app stores, they should buy Androids. 100’s of thousands of legitimate Play store downloads have been found to contain malware and credential stealing crap…

    Recently read an article that a bank malware targeting people in… Taiwan(? I think, but don’t remember specifically where) would reroute calls to a “not their bank” call center, with the user having no idea it was happening. That is terrifying. At the time, it was only targeting the people in that country, but I can’t imagine that can’t/won’t become more of a global thing. 

    Apple should sue the EU for encouraging elder abuse.
    edited December 2022 rob53Bart Ywatto_cobrajony0
  • Reply 6 of 24
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,297member
    Yeah... this will essentially be the Mac model on iPhone and iPad. 

    Maybe that's fine for the iPad Pro. But especially for the iPhone, I think it's a bad idea. I like my iPhone to 'just work,' I don't want to need to figure out which apps or app stores are 'safe' and which aren't. I really prefer my iPhone to be more like an appliance. 

    I wonder if Apple will choose to only allow third party app stores in the EU, and save the rest of the world from having to deal with this?
    Bart YHedwarewatto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 24
    rob53rob53 Posts: 3,251member
    This is an awful idea. 

    If the EU wants alt app stores, they should buy Androids. 100’s of thousands of legitimate Play store downloads have been found to contain malware and credential stealing crap…

    Recently read an article that a bank malware targeting people in… Taiwan(? I think, but don’t remember specifically where) would reroute calls to a “not their bank” call center, with the user having no idea it was happening. That is terrifying. At the time, it was only targeting the people in that country, but I can’t imagine that can’t/won’t become more of a global thing. 

    Apple should sue the EU for encouraging elder abuse.
    Totally agree especially last paragraph. Apple can sue but WE should also start a class action lawsuit against the EU for forcing alternative app stores or side loading. We bought a product made by Apple nut by the EU, therefore the EU has no business demanding anything. Maybe Apple needs to sue the EU in the world court to stop them from using bogus claims against Apple to force them to open up iOS devices. We on AI know the reason the EU wants an open iOS, it’s because they could force iOS users to load back door monitoring software. It’s blatantly obvious. 
    watto_cobrajony0
  • Reply 8 of 24
    harrykatsarosharrykatsaros Posts: 76unconfirmed, member
    Idea: During set up process, iPhone will ask you if you want to allow third party app stores with a warning of the risks. If you choose to proceed, iPhone will “jailbreak” your device via a baked in process to allow third party access. If not then your iPhone stays safe exactly the same as what it always has been. This can also be enabled/disabled through iPhone settings. 
    edited December 2022 freeassociate2williamlondondarkvaderwatto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 24
    rob53rob53 Posts: 3,251member
    Idea: During set up process, iPhone will ask you if you want to allow third party app stores with a warning of the risks. If you choose to proceed, iPhone will “jailbreak” your device via a baked in process to allow third party access. If not then your iPhone stays safe exactly the same as what it always has been. This can also be enabled/disabled through iPhone settings. 
    Interesting idea but jailbreaking or having a non-Apple App Store will allow malware into the iOS environment. There already is some but the amount would explode. All it would take to destroy the iOS environment is for an app from another store to be sent via an assortment of methods that has the ability to turn on third party app stores without the users knowledge allowing other apps to be installed, like from government sites forcing you to use them to access government sites like the IRS and Medicare. This isn’t fantasy it can be done once Apple loses control of the iOS environment. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 24
    rob53rob53 Posts: 3,251member
    designr said:
    And the fear-mongering begins.

    Yep, go ahead and make those statements. I've managed computerized systems since the mid 70's. I've seen almost everything and what I've been saying is backed up with history. macOS is open, iOS is not. Macs are still open to malware even with the changes Apple has made. iOS devices are used by all sorts of people, the majority don't know much of anything about what they're using or how to protect themselves. Apple is trying to make iOS attack proof but the EU and other government agencies could care less. I used to work for one of those third-letter agencies and even within them it's difficult to get management to understand what can and does happen. The general public is oblivious to almost everything so I welcome Apple's closed environment. 
    freeassociate2Bart Ywilliamlondonstompywatto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 24
    Gee what blatant ageism! I'm 69 and a great grandparent and I was jailbreaking iPhones till it wasn't needed as much as they added enough features to reduce need!
    Let it Rain!
    darkvader
  • Reply 12 of 24
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,297member
    Gee what blatant ageism! I'm 69 and a great grandparent and I was jailbreaking iPhones till it wasn't needed as much as they added enough features to reduce need!
    Let it Rain!
    I bet the average age of readers on this site is at least 45. The kids don’t read — they just watch videos. So when AI talks about “old people “, I bet the mean at least 80
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 13 of 24
    eightzeroeightzero Posts: 3,069member
    It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I'm guessing there is a very top level discussion at Apple about how to thread this needle. On one hand, there is no reason to make the compliance of a EU requirement a good experience. Sure, you can go to another source for apps, but likely nothing in the EU law says it has to be a good experience to do so - you need to sign up for some Apple authentication, opt in to some agreement to void your warranty, new TOS, and one wonders if the user can be made to pay a fee to do so (or if prohibited by the EU reg, disable any product discounts or tech assistance.) On the other hand, users will simply blame the manufacturer of the device for that bad experience. If you identity is stolen, you got scammed, your device got bricked, or you are a victim of ransomware, it will universally be Apple's fault in the customers (limited) minds. 

    Computer users are now overloaded with warnings and alerts, and those alerts/warnings simply are not effective. These devices have now become beyond the ability for most users to comprehend how they work and how to maintain them. 

    Hence...laws.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 14 of 24
    Wesley HilliardWesley Hilliard Posts: 190member, administrator, moderator, editor
    blastdoor said:
    Gee what blatant ageism! I'm 69 and a great grandparent and I was jailbreaking iPhones till it wasn't needed as much as they added enough features to reduce need!
    Let it Rain!
    I bet the average age of readers on this site is at least 45. The kids don’t read — they just watch videos. So when AI talks about “old people “, I bet the mean at least 80
    I'll point out that we never said "old people" and only barely implied it with a grandparent reference and an image from Mythic Quest. A person can be a parent at quite a young age. The title could apply to a 13-year-old reading it and thinking of their tech-inept 30-year-old parent, just as easily as the 45-year-old with the 80-year-old parent.

    Considering the age of some of our staff and our readers, I'd say that it would be irresponsible to be ageist. right? But I can see how the title might imply that, though unintended.

    Hope that frames it somewhat anyway. 
    JFC_PAwatto_cobrajony0
  • Reply 15 of 24
    paxmanpaxman Posts: 4,729member
    blastdoor said:
    Yeah... this will essentially be the Mac model on iPhone and iPad. 

    Maybe that's fine for the iPad Pro. But especially for the iPhone, I think it's a bad idea. I like my iPhone to 'just work,' I don't want to need to figure out which apps or app stores are 'safe' and which aren't. I really prefer my iPhone to be more like an appliance. 

    I wonder if Apple will choose to only allow third party app stores in the EU, and save the rest of the world from having to deal with this?
    I think it might be a very good idea. I think Apple will manage to set it up so it won't become a nightmare situation. I like the idea of being able to use non Apple approved apps, specifically apps. Apple restrictions often seem more about keeping industry partners happy than a worry about the OS being compromised. Do you find that your Mac doesn't 'Just Work" because of the availability of apps outside of the Appstore? 

    I think that Apple does a good job curating the OS and other content, but I think customers would benefit from a less restrictive approach. 
    darkvader
  • Reply 16 of 24
    MadbumMadbum Posts: 536member
    Apple needs to implement a simple button saying you only want Apple App Store approved software and if you chose to have others, it’s at your own risk 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 17 of 24
    eightzeroeightzero Posts: 3,069member
    Madbum said:
    Apple needs to implement a simple button saying you only want Apple App Store approved software and if you chose to have others, it’s at your own risk 
    Do you think that many iPhone users actually know and appreciate those risks? Even know what they are? I would guess that nearly all iPhone users have no idea what they argree to in the ToS they were required to accept. Apple's flagship product is user privacy, and a "skippit" button is one less reason for customers to select an Apple product for purchase.
    Cesar Battistini Mazierowatto_cobra
  • Reply 18 of 24
    I recently had to help my MIL set up something with her iPhone. When I asked her to open the App Store she hunted around between 4 screens of app icons before declaring she doesn’t have an App Store. 

    I showed her how to find it and then how search for the app she needed. 

    Here’s the thing, she thinks she downloaded Words with Friends and Township from Facebook. Why? Because she saw an ad on FB, tapped it and it brought her to the App Store where she downloaded it. She doesn’t realize she left Facebook and went to Apple’s store. 

    As mentioned in the article, I can absolutely see her being urged to install a third-party store, having no idea what she’s in for, and downloading Onavo or worse, and being none the wiser, all from some ad on Facebook. 

    Third-party stores and side-loading will be a boon to shady developers. 

    ETA: My MIL also has a Mac, her first was a Bondi Blue iMac, so she isn’t new to them. I have made it a habit to run Malware Bytes every couple of months for her and it isn’t particularly uncommon for something to be found. She loves to install stupid BS “apps”, like the one that put a rotating carousel on her desktop (“It’s SO CUTE!”) and meanwhile it’s getting flagged as malware. I had to argue with her about removiung some malware program she had installed. She was upset that I wanted to delete it because she had paid for it.

    My guess is that sort of thing will only get worse when/if iOS is opened to third-party stores or side-loading.
    Wow, what a nightmare. People who write malware need harsh punishment. 
    mike1Cesar Battistini Mazierowatto_cobrajony0
  • Reply 19 of 24
    JFC_PAJFC_PA Posts: 932member
    Given my own feelings about security for the device I rely on for access to many financial items and such as long as Apple continues to offer a certified App Store I know where I’ll be getting ALL my apps. 

    But sure, “free market”: but, as with those dollar seventeen cent power bricks on Amazon, don’t come crying when the trash fake blows up your phone. Go yell at the EU who forced those hazards on their citizens. 
    edited December 2022 Cesar Battistini Mazierowatto_cobra
  • Reply 20 of 24
    mike1mike1 Posts: 3,286member
    Gee what blatant ageism! I'm 69 and a great grandparent and I was jailbreaking iPhones till it wasn't needed as much as they added enough features to reduce need!
    Let it Rain!

    OK 1st-post troll, you're the exception that proves the rule.
    I know for a fact, that my octogenarian parents will absolutely click on links and accidentally/on purpose download malicious software within a week of it being opened up.
    Between the junk e-mails they get with links to click on and the ads in all their games, I will get my first call within days saying there's "something wrong with my phone".
    watto_cobra
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