I don’t understand what everyone’s complaining about. It’s not like they’re saying they will limit the amount of profiles you have. Otherwise, don’t drink 3 lattes and get your own subscription.
I think they are. They won’t allow any connections outside of the house even same profile…
No, it's not. I give you countless examples where I willingly share a password with someone doesn't mean someone is stealing, but focusing specifically on Netflix, they allow multiple user profiles which means that I get to share my login credentials with the household per their own terms of service.
I have a prediction...want to see your numbers dwindle faster, start ripping apart family's with kids in college, visiting a friend for the week, away at summer camp, etc. See how that spurs your subscriber base.
I assume they'll use a system similar to YouTube TV so that travel can be accounted for. Whatever their plans are I assume they've put a lot of time and money in making it viable, otherwise why bother at all?
Can’t run a business giving stuff away unless you’ve got endless marketing nvwators or run on ads.
A family plan where everyone gets a code to authenticate would be fine. Or just get moms code when Netflix texts hee that you’re logging in
pay for 4 people and use 4 people in no way can you classify it as stealing, now if they stop people using them 4 they bought that can be classed as fraud and false advertising.
Read the Netflix EULA. Carefully! No way are you paying for 4 people. You are paying for a plan that allows 4 streams (at the same time). Which allows you and members of your household to watch 4 streams at the same time, under the same roof. Not for 4 people to stream from TV's in 4 different households, using 4 different IP addresses. The only way they allow you to stream outside your household is with a mobile device like a tablet, phone or laptop. You are allowed to have 4 streams on 4 TV's or devices in your home (that are using the same IP address) and as many people watching as you can fit in your home.
Of course that’s what it says, but that’s stupid. It makes no difference to Netflix which roof the four streams are under. Apple’s TOS rightly has a family as a defined group, regardless of which roof - so my mother is part of my family and can use the service without issue. No reason for Netflix to claim she isn’t part of my family plan.
The claims here that my mother is actually a thief and is stealing, is idiotic nonsense.
I only have Netflix because T-Mobile foots most of the bill, I can’t remember the last time I watched something on it. Make it harder for my college kids to use our account, they certainly won’t pay for it and neither will I
Netflix isn’t going to go after members of your household who live with you. They are going after people you’ve shared your password with that don’t live with you.
I am very sure that they will quickly be introducing a modest surcharge — i.e., Part Two of the plan — for family members you want to pay for who don’t live with you, but do live in the same country, Kids in college, grandma, et al.
Depending on what the surcharge or “expanded family” type plan costs/entails, this seems like a reasonable compromise. I meet people all the time who are using Netflix off a non-local relative or friend’s password. That obviously has to stop, and you should expect the other streaming services to follow suit.
That said, some people will drop the service as a result. The company has probably worked out that the number of people who will pony up a bit more for their non-household family (or won’t and the moochers will have to get their own account) will greatly outweigh the number of people who leave over this, given that other services are likely to also enforce non-household password sharing.
Software long ago had a. “ one log in at a time” subscription, I could see Netflix do that, I just hope whatever their enforcement /detection scheme is that it’s relatively good so regular use doesn’t get tangled in some security nonsense.
Can’t run a business giving stuff away unless you’ve got endless marketing nvwators or run on ads.
A family plan where everyone gets a code to authenticate would be fine. Or just get moms code when Netflix texts hee that you’re logging in
pay for 4 people and use 4 people in no way can you classify it as stealing, now if they stop people using them 4 they bought that can be classed as fraud and false advertising.
Read the Netflix EULA. Carefully! No way are you paying for 4 people. You are paying for a plan that allows 4 streams (at the same time). Which allows you and members of your household to watch 4 streams at the same time, under the same roof. Not for 4 people to stream from TV's in 4 different households, using 4 different IP addresses. The only way they allow you to stream outside your household is with a mobile device like a tablet, phone or laptop. You are allowed to have 4 streams on 4 TV's or devices in your home (that are using the same IP address) and as many people watching as you can fit in your home.
I admit that I've never read it and I admit that I won't, but my background in network engineering tells me that you haven't either if they actually specify the [same] IP addresses the way you seem to be stating it.
First of all, all IP addresses for the device will be different at the device if on the same network. That right there would mean that wording couldn't simply state that you have to be using the same IP address. They could include wording that talks about it being the IP address assigned to your personal modem from your ISP, but if that's the case I'd love to see how they word that.
As for the notion of "under the same roof," that doesn't sound like something a lawyer would use in an end user agreement. So if I happen to have a shed out back or a detached garage that I then I tried to watch Netflix on via my wireless router connected to the house modem, your comment—as stated—suggests that I'm in violation of my EULA because it's not the same roof.
If we then move that to include all structure at the same address, what about additional structures with different addresses, like a mother-in-law's suite above a garage that has been given a unique mailing address? Again, your statement doesn't account for this in their EULA, only a blanket statement of "under the same roof."
And a previously mentioned, what about going on vacation or having a child away at college? These are things that need to be accounted for and are very difficult to both apply as rules and engineer in their technology. Their goal is to increase revenue, but they don't do that if the number of people who leave the service because it's inadequate compared to the competition in both content (currently) and draconian rules (potentially).
While I have recently enjoyed Wednesday on the service I hadn't even looked at it for a good 6 months. Their financial issue isn't sharing, but not having the resources to create good enough content—and I don't mean money, because they poor a lot into production and big stars, but everything they do is simply more costly and more difficult compared to streaming services with long established studios at their disposal.
Can’t run a business giving stuff away unless you’ve got endless marketing nvwators or run on ads.
A family plan where everyone gets a code to authenticate would be fine. Or just get moms code when Netflix texts hee that you’re logging in
pay for 4 people and use 4 people in no way can you classify it as stealing, now if they stop people using them 4 they bought that can be classed as fraud and false advertising.
So I cannot use my account in my office or when I travel? If they are going to base it on home IP? How stupid is this?
Yeah, if I'm not allowed to use my Netflix account while traveling, as the hotels I tend to stay at have "smart" TV's with the Netflix app on them, I'm gonna be pissed. In addition, I use a VPN between my router and modem, so the IP address that apps and websites see changes frequently.
I expect a drop in Netflix subscribers if they take this too far.
I somewhat sympathize with Netflix but in reality they created the situation by allowing multiple streams to help drive usage and acceptance. Apple have the perfect solution with their family plans. This allows multiple Apple ID accounts to use the same subscription. Why can't Netflix do that? It will eliminate those who got the password from friends and would not be a major issue. The other thing Netflix could do is force a password upgrade.
Multiple streams is a near-necessity for any family. Kids and parents don't necessarily want to watch the same thing at a given time. Family Sharing works for Apple because becoming part of a family requires a strong "bond". All payments come from one account. The family spans music, TV, app store, storage, etc. Netfilx does one thing. Adding just anyone to a Netflix family would be no big deal and amount to exactly the same situation they're in now: Two or more unrelated individuals from separate households benefitting from a subscription intended for a single household.
So I cannot use my account in my office or when I travel? If they are going to base it on home IP? How stupid is this?
No reason to panic. No one knows what they'll do, but I imagine that it'll be more like looking for recurring patterns of concurrent streams from different regions. Not a simple change in IP address for a weekend or the movement of a stream from place to place.
When I log into Microsoft Remote Desktop, it will let me login from anywhere from any machine. But, if I login on my Mac and then try and login on my iPad, it closes the connection from the Mac. I am free to login anywhere, but only at one place at a time. Netflix could’ve done this ages ago and avoided the whole problem. All of this mess and controversy could’ve been avoided if they had just done it the right way to start with.
They sort of do. If your account only allows 4 steams, then the 5th steam will be denied. They allow multiple streams because in a family you'll often have different people watching different things at the same time. The issue comes from friends (but not roommates) Chris and Pat agreeing to share the cost of a Netflix subscription and sharing one login to do that.
Can’t run a business giving stuff away unless you’ve got endless marketing nvwators or run on ads.
A family plan where everyone gets a code to authenticate would be fine. Or just get moms code when Netflix texts hee that you’re logging in
pay for 4 people and use 4 people in no way can you classify it as stealing, now if they stop people using them 4 they bought that can be classed as fraud and false advertising.
Read the Netflix EULA. Carefully! No way are you paying for 4 people. You are paying for a plan that allows 4 streams (at the same time). Which allows you and members of your household to watch 4 streams at the same time, under the same roof. Not for 4 people to stream from TV's in 4 different households, using 4 different IP addresses. The only way they allow you to stream outside your household is with a mobile device like a tablet, phone or laptop. You are allowed to have 4 streams on 4 TV's or devices in your home (that are using the same IP address) and as many people watching as you can fit in your home.
Of course that’s what it says, but that’s stupid. It makes no difference to Netflix which roof the four streams are under. Apple’s TOS rightly has a family as a defined group, regardless of which roof - so my mother is part of my family and can use the service without issue. No reason for Netflix to claim she isn’t part of my family plan.
The claims here that my mother is actually a thief and is stealing, is idiotic nonsense.
Yes Apple Family is a great example. Each family plan allow 6 people, anytime and anywhere . If Netflix goes beyond call and calls grandma a thief or not family, then I would sell all their stock now because it will goto $20
Can’t run a business giving stuff away unless you’ve got endless marketing nvwators or run on ads.
A family plan where everyone gets a code to authenticate would be fine. Or just get moms code when Netflix texts hee that you’re logging in
pay for 4 people and use 4 people in no way can you classify it as stealing, now if they stop people using them 4 they bought that can be classed as fraud and false advertising.
Read the Netflix EULA. Carefully! No way are you paying for 4 people. You are paying for a plan that allows 4 streams (at the same time). Which allows you and members of your household to watch 4 streams at the same time, under the same roof. Not for 4 people to stream from TV's in 4 different households, using 4 different IP addresses. The only way they allow you to stream outside your household is with a mobile device like a tablet, phone or laptop. You are allowed to have 4 streams on 4 TV's or devices in your home (that are using the same IP address) and as many people watching as you can fit in your home.
Of course that’s what it says, but that’s stupid. It makes no difference to Netflix which roof the four streams are under. Apple’s TOS rightly has a family as a defined group, regardless of which roof - so my mother is part of my family and can use the service without issue. No reason for Netflix to claim she isn’t part of my family plan.
The claims here that my mother is actually a thief and is stealing, is idiotic nonsense.
Yes it does and the claim is not that your mom is the thief and is stealing (from Netflix), it's you and that's not idiotic nonsense. She would only be the thief if she got hold of your password and was using your account, without your knowledge or permission.
When you pay for a Netflix account with 4 4K streams, you are not paying for 4 people. You are paying to be able to stream 4 movies at the same time, on 4 different devices in the same household (or on a mobile device). And it cost Netflix nearly nothing to offer the extra streams. Netflix makes most, in not nearly all, their money from selling you the account and the first stream. Think about it, when it cost $15.49 for 2 HD streams and it only cost $4.50 to upgrade to 4K and get 2 more streams, how much you think it cost Netflix to give 4K subscribers 2 more streams? Can't be more than $1.25 per stream if you consider it must cost at least $2 just to upgrade from HD to 4K.
Netflix makes most of their money by selling an account with the first stream and let you have 4 streams because it cost them nearly nothing you let you have 3 more streams, so long as those 3 extra streams are used on devices in the same household or on a mobile device, like stated in their term of use. But if you let someone use your account in another household, Netflix is losing the money they might have made selling that household a Netflix account. Even if that household were to only pay $9.99 for 1 SD stream. And remember, when you share your account with your mom, she actually have access to all 4 streams in your account, if no one else is streaming a movie with your account, at the time. So everyone you share your account with, have access to 4 streams, depending on how many movies are streaming at the time. Saying that your mom would not subscribe to Netflix anyway and therefore not costing Netflix anything, is the same excuse Bit Torrent users uses to justify their pirating of others copyrighted works. And most would still consider them "thieves".
So yes, it does make a difference to Netflix when over 30% of their subscribers are sharing their accounts this way. Plus the UK is looking into how sharing your account this way affects copyright owners. Copyright owners on Netflix (and most likely other video streaming services) are probably paying copyright owners a license to stream their works based on how many accounts have access to their works and not so much how many times their works are streamed. (Unlike how music streaming subscription is done.) So the more accounts Netflix have, the more Netflix have to pay for the licensing of copyrighted works. So by your mom not paying for her own household account, as Netflix requires, she is watching copyrighted works without paying anything to the copyright owner. You are only paying for an account that allows you and anyone in your household, to watch the available copyrighted works with your Netflix account And a 4K plan allows your household to stream 4 different movies at the same time, on 4 devices in the household or on a mobile device that is not necessarily required to be in the household. Your mom is not part of your household under Netflix definition of a "household" and she and anyone else that might be watching Netflix in her household, are not compensating copyright owners to watch their works on Netflix. (She is allowed to watch Netflix with your account on a mobile device like an iPad, that you verify as yours in your account.) And it's not her fault, its yours.
So I cannot use my account in my office or when I travel? If they are going to base it on home IP? How stupid is this?
Yeah, if I'm not allowed to use my Netflix account while traveling, as the hotels I tend to stay at have "smart" TV's with the Netflix app on them, I'm gonna be pissed. In addition, I use a VPN between my router and modem, so the IP address that apps and websites see changes frequently.
I expect a drop in Netflix subscribers if they take this too far.
You will always be able to access your Netflix account with your mobile devices like a tablet, smart phone or laptop, so long as you can connect to the internet.
With hotel smart TV's or TV's with hotels TV boxes, there are things you need to be aware of.
Most reputable hotels have "casting" where you access your Netflix account on your own device and cast it on to their TV to view. Or they have a contract with a Netflix approved verify service where Netflix verifies the TV app used to log in to your account. These are the most safe to use as your data and privacy is safe.
However, with a smart TV getting its internet connection on the hotel network, your data might not be as safe. And if you forget to log off your account when you check out, the next guest will have access to your account on that TV.
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The claims here that my mother is actually a thief and is stealing, is idiotic nonsense.
Netflix isn’t going to go after members of your household who live with you. They are going after people you’ve shared your password with that don’t live with you.
I am very sure that they will quickly be introducing a modest surcharge — i.e., Part Two of the plan — for family members you want to pay for who don’t live with you, but do live in the same country, Kids in college, grandma, et al.
Depending on what the surcharge or “expanded family” type plan costs/entails, this seems like a reasonable compromise. I meet people all the time who are using Netflix off a non-local relative or friend’s password. That obviously has to stop, and you should expect the other streaming services to follow suit.
That said, some people will drop the service as a result. The company has probably worked out that the number of people who will pony up a bit more for their non-household family (or won’t and the moochers will have to get their own account) will greatly outweigh the number of people who leave over this, given that other services are likely to also enforce non-household password sharing.
And that analysis is probably correct.
First of all, all IP addresses for the device will be different at the device if on the same network. That right there would mean that wording couldn't simply state that you have to be using the same IP address. They could include wording that talks about it being the IP address assigned to your personal modem from your ISP, but if that's the case I'd love to see how they word that.
As for the notion of "under the same roof," that doesn't sound like something a lawyer would use in an end user agreement. So if I happen to have a shed out back or a detached garage that I then I tried to watch Netflix on via my wireless router connected to the house modem, your comment—as stated—suggests that I'm in violation of my EULA because it's not the same roof.
If we then move that to include all structure at the same address, what about additional structures with different addresses, like a mother-in-law's suite above a garage that has been given a unique mailing address? Again, your statement doesn't account for this in their EULA, only a blanket statement of "under the same roof."
And a previously mentioned, what about going on vacation or having a child away at college? These are things that need to be accounted for and are very difficult to both apply as rules and engineer in their technology. Their goal is to increase revenue, but they don't do that if the number of people who leave the service because it's inadequate compared to the competition in both content (currently) and draconian rules (potentially).
While I have recently enjoyed Wednesday on the service I hadn't even looked at it for a good 6 months. Their financial issue isn't sharing, but not having the resources to create good enough content—and I don't mean money, because they poor a lot into production and big stars, but everything they do is simply more costly and more difficult compared to streaming services with long established studios at their disposal.
you seem trustworthy and someone to hire LOL