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  • Reply 21 of 36
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    Probably a good move, given what Xi said yesterday.
    If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China, is it the end of Western civilization? LOL
    "…If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…"

    Everyone here knows you're a PRC mouthpiece, Chu Dong. Why don't you move over to Twitter, or TikTok or better yet, Truth(ness) Social? There's a lot of useful idiots there who will believe and repost everything you say. Including the owners.
    This is typical answer from idiots. You don't know dialectic. 
    Notice the lack of the article in the first sentence. And the misuse of the word dialectic (a discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned argumentation). Shows ignorance of the English language. There is not even a HINT of wishing to establish the truth, when a Chinese troll says "If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…" There is literally no one outside the PRC who believes that will ever happen. That's why it's obvious you're a liar and a Chinese troll. Get lost.
    The fact of the truth is US acknowledges one China. And the Taiwan Relation Act will protect Taiwan so the conflict will be peacefully resolved by the Chinese people. The natural conclusion is US will support Taiwan to be peacefully reunited with China. The separatists in Taiwan are using all kinds of means to brainwash Americans to believe they want independence. 
    Actually, while the U.S. acknowledges China's "One China" policy, the nuance of the Taiwan Relations Act doesn't actually state that the U.S. recognizes the "One China" policy. Hence why any aggression by the PLA may end up with the U.S. and its allies defending Taiwan.

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-us-one-china-policy-and-why-does-it-matter

    The United States did not, however, give in to Chinese demands that it recognize Chinese sovereignty over Taiwan (which is the name preferred by the United States since it opted to de-recognize the ROC). Instead, Washington acknowledged the Chinese position that Taiwan was part of China. For geopolitical reasons, both the United States and the PRC were willing to go forward with diplomatic recognition despite their differences on this matter. When China attempted to change the Chinese text from the original acknowledgeto recognize, Deputy Secretary of State Warren Christopher told a Senate hearing questioner, “[W]e regard the English text as being the binding text. We regard the word ‘acknowledge’ as being the word that is determinative for the U.S.” In the August 17, 1982, U.S.-China Communique, the United States went one step further, stating that it had no intention of pursuing a policy of “two Chinas” or “one China, one Taiwan.”
    It is also true that the voters in Taiwan, a vibrant democracy, support Taiwan's independence more than unification, but mostly, the status quo.

    https://www.newsweek.com/taiwan-china-politics-identity-independence-unification-public-opinion-polling-1724546#:~:text=In%20a%20biannual%20update%20to,formal%20Taiwanese%20independence%20at%20the

    In a biannual update to its surveys on core political attitudes in Taiwan, National Chengchi University's Election Study Center (ESC) found only 1.3 percent of respondents wanted unification with mainland China "as soon as possible," while a similarly low 5.1 percent desired formal Taiwanese independence at the earliest possibility.

    The appeal for both scenarios, which the ESC has tracked since 1994, remain near all-time lows. The latest figures published Tuesday, represented a 0.1 point drop for immediate unification and 0.7 point drop for immediate independence—two extreme viewpoints that tend not to weigh too heavily on the democratic island's regular elections.

    For the past two decades, the majority of respondents have favored some form of the "status quo," the survey showed. Taiwan, now a semi-recognized state, has been ruled separately from the People's Republic of China on the mainland since the PRC was founded in Beijing in 1949.

    Seems definitely no on unification with the PRC.

    But hey, FAFO.
    No! Biden administration has repeatedly said US adheres to the one China policy. Taiwan Relation Act means US wants China to adhere to the one China policy peacefully. Read the Act for yourself. Don't rely on those demagogues articles. 
    The Taiwan people, other than a small 1.3 percent, do not want unification. That's a fact, Jack!

    So, that's a definite "no" on peaceful unification, leaving the PRC to potentially force Taiwan to unify.

    https://www.voanews.com/a/biden-s-taiwan-comments-raise-questions-about-us-stance-/6754684.html#:~:text=In%20an%20interview%20Sunday%20night,take%20over%20Taiwan%20by%20force.

    Officials in the administration of President Joe Biden keep insisting that nothing about the United States’ policy toward Taiwan has changed, but the president’s own repeated statements that the U.S. would defend the self-governing island in the event of an attack by China are making those assurances difficult for many to accept.

    In an interview Sunday night with the CBS News program “60 Minutes,” Biden, for the fourth time since taking office in 2021, said that the United States would respond militarily to a Chinese attempt to take over Taiwan by force.

    China claims Taiwan as part of its territory, and Chinese President Xi Jinping has made “reunification” of the island with the mainland a major goal of his government. China maintains that Taiwan is part of One China, despite the fact that the island has been self-governing since 1945.

    For decades, the U.S. has tried to pursue a course of “strategic ambiguity” with regard to Taiwan. Relations between Washington and Taipei have been friendly, and the U.S. has for years sold military equipment to the Taiwanese government. At the same time, successive U.S. administrations have said they agree with the “One China” policy, with the caveat that any disagreement between Taiwan and China must be resolved without the use of force.

    Seems that you don't do nuance, nor do you do facts.
    No! This is not true! The blue camp wants to unite with China under Republic of China. The green camp wants to de-China and independence. The green camp is only 40% of the population. By the way, Kuo, the CEO of Foxconn sought 2004 presidential election nomination by KMT. His agenda is pull down the governing DPP and wants to negotiate peace with China. 
    LOL!

    You communists just can't figure it out.

    Once people taste freedom, nothing else comes close.
    No! Chinese loves peace more than freedom. Many Chinese choose to live in gated community in US because of peace in exchange of some freedom lost. 
    You are the least persuasive United Front Work Department mouthpiece that I have ever come across. Perhaps this occupation isn't for you?

    https://cset.georgetown.edu/article/how-chinas-united-front-system-works-overseas/

    Either up your game, or leave and let some other party member take a shot at it.
    LOL Stop reading these authors. They are sophists. They do not know Chinese history. They don' know Chinese culture. You don't either. 
    Well, I certainly know that the people of Taiwan don't want to be part of China, which is something that you either don't know, or won't accept.

    Oh, and a note to both you and avonb7; this guy can actually be contacted if you want to argue policy;

    Ryan Fedasiuk is a China Technology Policy Advisor at the U.S. Department of State, where he is sponsored by the Center for Security and Emerging Technology’s (CSET) State Department Fellowship. He also serves as an Adjunct Fellow (on leave) at the Center for a New American Security (CNAS). Ryan previously worked as a Research Analyst at CSET, where his portfolio spanned military applications of artificial intelligence, U.S. security posture in East Asia, and China’s influence operations and efforts to acquire foreign technology.

    Prior to joining CSET and CNAS, Ryan worked at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, the Arms Control Association, and the Council on Foreign Relations, where he primarily covered aerospace and nuclear issues. He has also served as an advisor for SandboxAQ, a quantum technology company.

    Ryan’s commentary has appeared in Foreign PolicyDefense OneBreaking DefenseWar on the RocksPOLITICO, and The Diplomat, among other outlets. He is a coauthor of “China’s Quest for Foreign Technology: Beyond Espionage” (Routledge, 2020) and “Chinese Power and Artificial Intelligence” (Routledge, 2022).

    Ryan holds an M.A. in Security Studies from Georgetown University, where he also studied Chinese. He received his B.A. in International Studies and a minor in Russian from American University.

    Waveparticle, you need to find another line of work, because you can't change the facts;

    Conventional wisdom holds that a central element of Taiwanese identity is the idea that Taiwanese culture is distinct from Chinese culture. But our new survey results challenge ethnocentric understandings of Taiwanese identity. We find that what unites Taiwanese people is not a rejection of Chinese culture, but a rejection of the PRC’s political system.





    You said "Once people taste freedom, nothing else comes close. 98.7 percent of the population, according to polls, do not want to be unified with China. " You are a liar!

    From this Taiwan independence propaganda 
    newspaper, "民調顯示,50%台灣民眾支持台灣獨立,11.8%兩岸統一,25.7%維持現狀,12.1%沒意見、不知道、拒答。"
    https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/politics/breakingnews/4026727

    and 
    from another poll "「實現祖國統一是全體中華兒女的共同願望」,民調顯示有4%非常同意、還算同意10%、不太同意28%、非常不同意45%,另有13%沒意見,拒答0%。"
    http://https//www.storm.mg/article/4769444

    And they are from Taiwan. You are a spokesperson for 
    the U.S. Department of State, which is no different from the Chinese counterpart brainwashing people to suit government policy. 
  • Reply 22 of 36
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,328member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    Probably a good move, given what Xi said yesterday.
    If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China, is it the end of Western civilization? LOL
    "…If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…"

    Everyone here knows you're a PRC mouthpiece, Chu Dong. Why don't you move over to Twitter, or TikTok or better yet, Truth(ness) Social? There's a lot of useful idiots there who will believe and repost everything you say. Including the owners.
    This is typical answer from idiots. You don't know dialectic. 
    Notice the lack of the article in the first sentence. And the misuse of the word dialectic (a discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned argumentation). Shows ignorance of the English language. There is not even a HINT of wishing to establish the truth, when a Chinese troll says "If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…" There is literally no one outside the PRC who believes that will ever happen. That's why it's obvious you're a liar and a Chinese troll. Get lost.
    The fact of the truth is US acknowledges one China. And the Taiwan Relation Act will protect Taiwan so the conflict will be peacefully resolved by the Chinese people. The natural conclusion is US will support Taiwan to be peacefully reunited with China. The separatists in Taiwan are using all kinds of means to brainwash Americans to believe they want independence. 
    Actually, while the U.S. acknowledges China's "One China" policy, the nuance of the Taiwan Relations Act doesn't actually state that the U.S. recognizes the "One China" policy. Hence why any aggression by the PLA may end up with the U.S. and its allies defending Taiwan.

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-us-one-china-policy-and-why-does-it-matter

    The United States did not, however, give in to Chinese demands that it recognize Chinese sovereignty over Taiwan (which is the name preferred by the United States since it opted to de-recognize the ROC). Instead, Washington acknowledged the Chinese position that Taiwan was part of China. For geopolitical reasons, both the United States and the PRC were willing to go forward with diplomatic recognition despite their differences on this matter. When China attempted to change the Chinese text from the original acknowledgeto recognize, Deputy Secretary of State Warren Christopher told a Senate hearing questioner, “[W]e regard the English text as being the binding text. We regard the word ‘acknowledge’ as being the word that is determinative for the U.S.” In the August 17, 1982, U.S.-China Communique, the United States went one step further, stating that it had no intention of pursuing a policy of “two Chinas” or “one China, one Taiwan.”
    It is also true that the voters in Taiwan, a vibrant democracy, support Taiwan's independence more than unification, but mostly, the status quo.

    https://www.newsweek.com/taiwan-china-politics-identity-independence-unification-public-opinion-polling-1724546#:~:text=In%20a%20biannual%20update%20to,formal%20Taiwanese%20independence%20at%20the

    In a biannual update to its surveys on core political attitudes in Taiwan, National Chengchi University's Election Study Center (ESC) found only 1.3 percent of respondents wanted unification with mainland China "as soon as possible," while a similarly low 5.1 percent desired formal Taiwanese independence at the earliest possibility.

    The appeal for both scenarios, which the ESC has tracked since 1994, remain near all-time lows. The latest figures published Tuesday, represented a 0.1 point drop for immediate unification and 0.7 point drop for immediate independence—two extreme viewpoints that tend not to weigh too heavily on the democratic island's regular elections.

    For the past two decades, the majority of respondents have favored some form of the "status quo," the survey showed. Taiwan, now a semi-recognized state, has been ruled separately from the People's Republic of China on the mainland since the PRC was founded in Beijing in 1949.

    Seems definitely no on unification with the PRC.

    But hey, FAFO.
    No! Biden administration has repeatedly said US adheres to the one China policy. Taiwan Relation Act means US wants China to adhere to the one China policy peacefully. Read the Act for yourself. Don't rely on those demagogues articles. 
    The Taiwan people, other than a small 1.3 percent, do not want unification. That's a fact, Jack!

    So, that's a definite "no" on peaceful unification, leaving the PRC to potentially force Taiwan to unify.

    https://www.voanews.com/a/biden-s-taiwan-comments-raise-questions-about-us-stance-/6754684.html#:~:text=In%20an%20interview%20Sunday%20night,take%20over%20Taiwan%20by%20force.

    Officials in the administration of President Joe Biden keep insisting that nothing about the United States’ policy toward Taiwan has changed, but the president’s own repeated statements that the U.S. would defend the self-governing island in the event of an attack by China are making those assurances difficult for many to accept.

    In an interview Sunday night with the CBS News program “60 Minutes,” Biden, for the fourth time since taking office in 2021, said that the United States would respond militarily to a Chinese attempt to take over Taiwan by force.

    China claims Taiwan as part of its territory, and Chinese President Xi Jinping has made “reunification” of the island with the mainland a major goal of his government. China maintains that Taiwan is part of One China, despite the fact that the island has been self-governing since 1945.

    For decades, the U.S. has tried to pursue a course of “strategic ambiguity” with regard to Taiwan. Relations between Washington and Taipei have been friendly, and the U.S. has for years sold military equipment to the Taiwanese government. At the same time, successive U.S. administrations have said they agree with the “One China” policy, with the caveat that any disagreement between Taiwan and China must be resolved without the use of force.

    Seems that you don't do nuance, nor do you do facts.
    No! This is not true! The blue camp wants to unite with China under Republic of China. The green camp wants to de-China and independence. The green camp is only 40% of the population. By the way, Kuo, the CEO of Foxconn sought 2004 presidential election nomination by KMT. His agenda is pull down the governing DPP and wants to negotiate peace with China. 
    LOL!

    You communists just can't figure it out.

    Once people taste freedom, nothing else comes close.
    No! Chinese loves peace more than freedom. Many Chinese choose to live in gated community in US because of peace in exchange of some freedom lost. 
    You are the least persuasive United Front Work Department mouthpiece that I have ever come across. Perhaps this occupation isn't for you?

    https://cset.georgetown.edu/article/how-chinas-united-front-system-works-overseas/

    Either up your game, or leave and let some other party member take a shot at it.
    LOL Stop reading these authors. They are sophists. They do not know Chinese history. They don' know Chinese culture. You don't either. 
    Well, I certainly know that the people of Taiwan don't want to be part of China, which is something that you either don't know, or won't accept.

    Oh, and a note to both you and avonb7; this guy can actually be contacted if you want to argue policy;

    Ryan Fedasiuk is a China Technology Policy Advisor at the U.S. Department of State, where he is sponsored by the Center for Security and Emerging Technology’s (CSET) State Department Fellowship. He also serves as an Adjunct Fellow (on leave) at the Center for a New American Security (CNAS). Ryan previously worked as a Research Analyst at CSET, where his portfolio spanned military applications of artificial intelligence, U.S. security posture in East Asia, and China’s influence operations and efforts to acquire foreign technology.

    Prior to joining CSET and CNAS, Ryan worked at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, the Arms Control Association, and the Council on Foreign Relations, where he primarily covered aerospace and nuclear issues. He has also served as an advisor for SandboxAQ, a quantum technology company.

    Ryan’s commentary has appeared in Foreign PolicyDefense OneBreaking DefenseWar on the RocksPOLITICO, and The Diplomat, among other outlets. He is a coauthor of “China’s Quest for Foreign Technology: Beyond Espionage” (Routledge, 2020) and “Chinese Power and Artificial Intelligence” (Routledge, 2022).

    Ryan holds an M.A. in Security Studies from Georgetown University, where he also studied Chinese. He received his B.A. in International Studies and a minor in Russian from American University.

    Waveparticle, you need to find another line of work, because you can't change the facts;

    Conventional wisdom holds that a central element of Taiwanese identity is the idea that Taiwanese culture is distinct from Chinese culture. But our new survey results challenge ethnocentric understandings of Taiwanese identity. We find that what unites Taiwanese people is not a rejection of Chinese culture, but a rejection of the PRC’s political system.





    You said "Once people taste freedom, nothing else comes close. 98.7 percent of the population, according to polls, do not want to be unified with China. " You are a liar!

    From this Taiwan independence propaganda newspaper, "民調顯示,50%台灣民眾支持台灣獨立,11.8%兩岸統一,25.7%維持現狀,12.1%沒意見、不知道、拒答。"
    https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/politics/breakingnews/4026727

    and from another poll "「實現祖國統一是全體中華兒女的共同願望」,民調顯示有4%非常同意、還算同意10%、不太同意28%、非常不同意45%,另有13%沒意見,拒答0%。"
    http://https//www.storm.mg/article/4769444

    And they are from Taiwan. You are a spokesperson for the U.S. Department of State, which is no different from the Chinese counterpart brainwashing people to suit government policy. 
    LOL!

    You trying to convince an english speaking audience with your links...impossible

    Me pulling a few dozen other links to support my view that Taiwan is almost entirely against unification...piece of cake.
  • Reply 23 of 36
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    Probably a good move, given what Xi said yesterday.
    If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China, is it the end of Western civilization? LOL
    "…If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…"

    Everyone here knows you're a PRC mouthpiece, Chu Dong. Why don't you move over to Twitter, or TikTok or better yet, Truth(ness) Social? There's a lot of useful idiots there who will believe and repost everything you say. Including the owners.
    This is typical answer from idiots. You don't know dialectic. 
    Notice the lack of the article in the first sentence. And the misuse of the word dialectic (a discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned argumentation). Shows ignorance of the English language. There is not even a HINT of wishing to establish the truth, when a Chinese troll says "If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…" There is literally no one outside the PRC who believes that will ever happen. That's why it's obvious you're a liar and a Chinese troll. Get lost.
    The fact of the truth is US acknowledges one China. And the Taiwan Relation Act will protect Taiwan so the conflict will be peacefully resolved by the Chinese people. The natural conclusion is US will support Taiwan to be peacefully reunited with China. The separatists in Taiwan are using all kinds of means to brainwash Americans to believe they want independence. 
    Actually, while the U.S. acknowledges China's "One China" policy, the nuance of the Taiwan Relations Act doesn't actually state that the U.S. recognizes the "One China" policy. Hence why any aggression by the PLA may end up with the U.S. and its allies defending Taiwan.

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-us-one-china-policy-and-why-does-it-matter

    The United States did not, however, give in to Chinese demands that it recognize Chinese sovereignty over Taiwan (which is the name preferred by the United States since it opted to de-recognize the ROC). Instead, Washington acknowledged the Chinese position that Taiwan was part of China. For geopolitical reasons, both the United States and the PRC were willing to go forward with diplomatic recognition despite their differences on this matter. When China attempted to change the Chinese text from the original acknowledgeto recognize, Deputy Secretary of State Warren Christopher told a Senate hearing questioner, “[W]e regard the English text as being the binding text. We regard the word ‘acknowledge’ as being the word that is determinative for the U.S.” In the August 17, 1982, U.S.-China Communique, the United States went one step further, stating that it had no intention of pursuing a policy of “two Chinas” or “one China, one Taiwan.”
    It is also true that the voters in Taiwan, a vibrant democracy, support Taiwan's independence more than unification, but mostly, the status quo.

    https://www.newsweek.com/taiwan-china-politics-identity-independence-unification-public-opinion-polling-1724546#:~:text=In%20a%20biannual%20update%20to,formal%20Taiwanese%20independence%20at%20the

    In a biannual update to its surveys on core political attitudes in Taiwan, National Chengchi University's Election Study Center (ESC) found only 1.3 percent of respondents wanted unification with mainland China "as soon as possible," while a similarly low 5.1 percent desired formal Taiwanese independence at the earliest possibility.

    The appeal for both scenarios, which the ESC has tracked since 1994, remain near all-time lows. The latest figures published Tuesday, represented a 0.1 point drop for immediate unification and 0.7 point drop for immediate independence—two extreme viewpoints that tend not to weigh too heavily on the democratic island's regular elections.

    For the past two decades, the majority of respondents have favored some form of the "status quo," the survey showed. Taiwan, now a semi-recognized state, has been ruled separately from the People's Republic of China on the mainland since the PRC was founded in Beijing in 1949.

    Seems definitely no on unification with the PRC.

    But hey, FAFO.
    No! Biden administration has repeatedly said US adheres to the one China policy. Taiwan Relation Act means US wants China to adhere to the one China policy peacefully. Read the Act for yourself. Don't rely on those demagogues articles. 
    The Taiwan people, other than a small 1.3 percent, do not want unification. That's a fact, Jack!

    So, that's a definite "no" on peaceful unification, leaving the PRC to potentially force Taiwan to unify.

    https://www.voanews.com/a/biden-s-taiwan-comments-raise-questions-about-us-stance-/6754684.html#:~:text=In%20an%20interview%20Sunday%20night,take%20over%20Taiwan%20by%20force.

    Officials in the administration of President Joe Biden keep insisting that nothing about the United States’ policy toward Taiwan has changed, but the president’s own repeated statements that the U.S. would defend the self-governing island in the event of an attack by China are making those assurances difficult for many to accept.

    In an interview Sunday night with the CBS News program “60 Minutes,” Biden, for the fourth time since taking office in 2021, said that the United States would respond militarily to a Chinese attempt to take over Taiwan by force.

    China claims Taiwan as part of its territory, and Chinese President Xi Jinping has made “reunification” of the island with the mainland a major goal of his government. China maintains that Taiwan is part of One China, despite the fact that the island has been self-governing since 1945.

    For decades, the U.S. has tried to pursue a course of “strategic ambiguity” with regard to Taiwan. Relations between Washington and Taipei have been friendly, and the U.S. has for years sold military equipment to the Taiwanese government. At the same time, successive U.S. administrations have said they agree with the “One China” policy, with the caveat that any disagreement between Taiwan and China must be resolved without the use of force.

    Seems that you don't do nuance, nor do you do facts.
    No! This is not true! The blue camp wants to unite with China under Republic of China. The green camp wants to de-China and independence. The green camp is only 40% of the population. By the way, Kuo, the CEO of Foxconn sought 2004 presidential election nomination by KMT. His agenda is pull down the governing DPP and wants to negotiate peace with China. 
    LOL!

    You communists just can't figure it out.

    Once people taste freedom, nothing else comes close.
    No! Chinese loves peace more than freedom. Many Chinese choose to live in gated community in US because of peace in exchange of some freedom lost. 
    You are the least persuasive United Front Work Department mouthpiece that I have ever come across. Perhaps this occupation isn't for you?

    https://cset.georgetown.edu/article/how-chinas-united-front-system-works-overseas/

    Either up your game, or leave and let some other party member take a shot at it.
    LOL Stop reading these authors. They are sophists. They do not know Chinese history. They don' know Chinese culture. You don't either. 
    Well, I certainly know that the people of Taiwan don't want to be part of China, which is something that you either don't know, or won't accept.

    Oh, and a note to both you and avonb7; this guy can actually be contacted if you want to argue policy;

    Ryan Fedasiuk is a China Technology Policy Advisor at the U.S. Department of State, where he is sponsored by the Center for Security and Emerging Technology’s (CSET) State Department Fellowship. He also serves as an Adjunct Fellow (on leave) at the Center for a New American Security (CNAS). Ryan previously worked as a Research Analyst at CSET, where his portfolio spanned military applications of artificial intelligence, U.S. security posture in East Asia, and China’s influence operations and efforts to acquire foreign technology.

    Prior to joining CSET and CNAS, Ryan worked at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, the Arms Control Association, and the Council on Foreign Relations, where he primarily covered aerospace and nuclear issues. He has also served as an advisor for SandboxAQ, a quantum technology company.

    Ryan’s commentary has appeared in Foreign PolicyDefense OneBreaking DefenseWar on the RocksPOLITICO, and The Diplomat, among other outlets. He is a coauthor of “China’s Quest for Foreign Technology: Beyond Espionage” (Routledge, 2020) and “Chinese Power and Artificial Intelligence” (Routledge, 2022).

    Ryan holds an M.A. in Security Studies from Georgetown University, where he also studied Chinese. He received his B.A. in International Studies and a minor in Russian from American University.

    Waveparticle, you need to find another line of work, because you can't change the facts;

    Conventional wisdom holds that a central element of Taiwanese identity is the idea that Taiwanese culture is distinct from Chinese culture. But our new survey results challenge ethnocentric understandings of Taiwanese identity. We find that what unites Taiwanese people is not a rejection of Chinese culture, but a rejection of the PRC’s political system.





    You said "Once people taste freedom, nothing else comes close. 98.7 percent of the population, according to polls, do not want to be unified with China. " You are a liar!

    From this Taiwan independence propaganda newspaper, "民調顯示,50%台灣民眾支持台灣獨立,11.8%兩岸統一,25.7%維持現狀,12.1%沒意見、不知道、拒答。"
    https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/politics/breakingnews/4026727

    and from another poll "「實現祖國統一是全體中華兒女的共同願望」,民調顯示有4%非常同意、還算同意10%、不太同意28%、非常不同意45%,另有13%沒意見,拒答0%。"
    http://https//www.storm.mg/article/4769444

    And they are from Taiwan. You are a spokesperson for the U.S. Department of State, which is no different from the Chinese counterpart brainwashing people to suit government policy. 
    LOL!

    You trying to convince an english speaking audience with your links...impossible

    Me pulling a few dozen other links to support my view that Taiwan is almost entirely against unification...piece of cake.
    LOL You don't know to use Google translate to read foreign web page? You are a computer idiot!
  • Reply 24 of 36
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,328member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    Probably a good move, given what Xi said yesterday.
    If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China, is it the end of Western civilization? LOL
    "…If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…"

    Everyone here knows you're a PRC mouthpiece, Chu Dong. Why don't you move over to Twitter, or TikTok or better yet, Truth(ness) Social? There's a lot of useful idiots there who will believe and repost everything you say. Including the owners.
    This is typical answer from idiots. You don't know dialectic. 
    Notice the lack of the article in the first sentence. And the misuse of the word dialectic (a discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned argumentation). Shows ignorance of the English language. There is not even a HINT of wishing to establish the truth, when a Chinese troll says "If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…" There is literally no one outside the PRC who believes that will ever happen. That's why it's obvious you're a liar and a Chinese troll. Get lost.
    The fact of the truth is US acknowledges one China. And the Taiwan Relation Act will protect Taiwan so the conflict will be peacefully resolved by the Chinese people. The natural conclusion is US will support Taiwan to be peacefully reunited with China. The separatists in Taiwan are using all kinds of means to brainwash Americans to believe they want independence. 
    Actually, while the U.S. acknowledges China's "One China" policy, the nuance of the Taiwan Relations Act doesn't actually state that the U.S. recognizes the "One China" policy. Hence why any aggression by the PLA may end up with the U.S. and its allies defending Taiwan.

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-us-one-china-policy-and-why-does-it-matter

    The United States did not, however, give in to Chinese demands that it recognize Chinese sovereignty over Taiwan (which is the name preferred by the United States since it opted to de-recognize the ROC). Instead, Washington acknowledged the Chinese position that Taiwan was part of China. For geopolitical reasons, both the United States and the PRC were willing to go forward with diplomatic recognition despite their differences on this matter. When China attempted to change the Chinese text from the original acknowledgeto recognize, Deputy Secretary of State Warren Christopher told a Senate hearing questioner, “[W]e regard the English text as being the binding text. We regard the word ‘acknowledge’ as being the word that is determinative for the U.S.” In the August 17, 1982, U.S.-China Communique, the United States went one step further, stating that it had no intention of pursuing a policy of “two Chinas” or “one China, one Taiwan.”
    It is also true that the voters in Taiwan, a vibrant democracy, support Taiwan's independence more than unification, but mostly, the status quo.

    https://www.newsweek.com/taiwan-china-politics-identity-independence-unification-public-opinion-polling-1724546#:~:text=In%20a%20biannual%20update%20to,formal%20Taiwanese%20independence%20at%20the

    In a biannual update to its surveys on core political attitudes in Taiwan, National Chengchi University's Election Study Center (ESC) found only 1.3 percent of respondents wanted unification with mainland China "as soon as possible," while a similarly low 5.1 percent desired formal Taiwanese independence at the earliest possibility.

    The appeal for both scenarios, which the ESC has tracked since 1994, remain near all-time lows. The latest figures published Tuesday, represented a 0.1 point drop for immediate unification and 0.7 point drop for immediate independence—two extreme viewpoints that tend not to weigh too heavily on the democratic island's regular elections.

    For the past two decades, the majority of respondents have favored some form of the "status quo," the survey showed. Taiwan, now a semi-recognized state, has been ruled separately from the People's Republic of China on the mainland since the PRC was founded in Beijing in 1949.

    Seems definitely no on unification with the PRC.

    But hey, FAFO.
    No! Biden administration has repeatedly said US adheres to the one China policy. Taiwan Relation Act means US wants China to adhere to the one China policy peacefully. Read the Act for yourself. Don't rely on those demagogues articles. 
    The Taiwan people, other than a small 1.3 percent, do not want unification. That's a fact, Jack!

    So, that's a definite "no" on peaceful unification, leaving the PRC to potentially force Taiwan to unify.

    https://www.voanews.com/a/biden-s-taiwan-comments-raise-questions-about-us-stance-/6754684.html#:~:text=In%20an%20interview%20Sunday%20night,take%20over%20Taiwan%20by%20force.

    Officials in the administration of President Joe Biden keep insisting that nothing about the United States’ policy toward Taiwan has changed, but the president’s own repeated statements that the U.S. would defend the self-governing island in the event of an attack by China are making those assurances difficult for many to accept.

    In an interview Sunday night with the CBS News program “60 Minutes,” Biden, for the fourth time since taking office in 2021, said that the United States would respond militarily to a Chinese attempt to take over Taiwan by force.

    China claims Taiwan as part of its territory, and Chinese President Xi Jinping has made “reunification” of the island with the mainland a major goal of his government. China maintains that Taiwan is part of One China, despite the fact that the island has been self-governing since 1945.

    For decades, the U.S. has tried to pursue a course of “strategic ambiguity” with regard to Taiwan. Relations between Washington and Taipei have been friendly, and the U.S. has for years sold military equipment to the Taiwanese government. At the same time, successive U.S. administrations have said they agree with the “One China” policy, with the caveat that any disagreement between Taiwan and China must be resolved without the use of force.

    Seems that you don't do nuance, nor do you do facts.
    No! This is not true! The blue camp wants to unite with China under Republic of China. The green camp wants to de-China and independence. The green camp is only 40% of the population. By the way, Kuo, the CEO of Foxconn sought 2004 presidential election nomination by KMT. His agenda is pull down the governing DPP and wants to negotiate peace with China. 
    LOL!

    You communists just can't figure it out.

    Once people taste freedom, nothing else comes close.
    No! Chinese loves peace more than freedom. Many Chinese choose to live in gated community in US because of peace in exchange of some freedom lost. 
    You are the least persuasive United Front Work Department mouthpiece that I have ever come across. Perhaps this occupation isn't for you?

    https://cset.georgetown.edu/article/how-chinas-united-front-system-works-overseas/

    Either up your game, or leave and let some other party member take a shot at it.
    LOL Stop reading these authors. They are sophists. They do not know Chinese history. They don' know Chinese culture. You don't either. 
    Well, I certainly know that the people of Taiwan don't want to be part of China, which is something that you either don't know, or won't accept.

    Oh, and a note to both you and avonb7; this guy can actually be contacted if you want to argue policy;

    Ryan Fedasiuk is a China Technology Policy Advisor at the U.S. Department of State, where he is sponsored by the Center for Security and Emerging Technology’s (CSET) State Department Fellowship. He also serves as an Adjunct Fellow (on leave) at the Center for a New American Security (CNAS). Ryan previously worked as a Research Analyst at CSET, where his portfolio spanned military applications of artificial intelligence, U.S. security posture in East Asia, and China’s influence operations and efforts to acquire foreign technology.

    Prior to joining CSET and CNAS, Ryan worked at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, the Arms Control Association, and the Council on Foreign Relations, where he primarily covered aerospace and nuclear issues. He has also served as an advisor for SandboxAQ, a quantum technology company.

    Ryan’s commentary has appeared in Foreign PolicyDefense OneBreaking DefenseWar on the RocksPOLITICO, and The Diplomat, among other outlets. He is a coauthor of “China’s Quest for Foreign Technology: Beyond Espionage” (Routledge, 2020) and “Chinese Power and Artificial Intelligence” (Routledge, 2022).

    Ryan holds an M.A. in Security Studies from Georgetown University, where he also studied Chinese. He received his B.A. in International Studies and a minor in Russian from American University.

    Waveparticle, you need to find another line of work, because you can't change the facts;

    Conventional wisdom holds that a central element of Taiwanese identity is the idea that Taiwanese culture is distinct from Chinese culture. But our new survey results challenge ethnocentric understandings of Taiwanese identity. We find that what unites Taiwanese people is not a rejection of Chinese culture, but a rejection of the PRC’s political system.





    You said "Once people taste freedom, nothing else comes close. 98.7 percent of the population, according to polls, do not want to be unified with China. " You are a liar!

    From this Taiwan independence propaganda newspaper, "民調顯示,50%台灣民眾支持台灣獨立,11.8%兩岸統一,25.7%維持現狀,12.1%沒意見、不知道、拒答。"
    https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/politics/breakingnews/4026727

    and from another poll "「實現祖國統一是全體中華兒女的共同願望」,民調顯示有4%非常同意、還算同意10%、不太同意28%、非常不同意45%,另有13%沒意見,拒答0%。"
    http://https//www.storm.mg/article/4769444

    And they are from Taiwan. You are a spokesperson for the U.S. Department of State, which is no different from the Chinese counterpart brainwashing people to suit government policy. 
    LOL!

    You trying to convince an english speaking audience with your links...impossible

    Me pulling a few dozen other links to support my view that Taiwan is almost entirely against unification...piece of cake.
    LOL You don't know to use Google translate to read foreign web page? You are a computer idiot!
    LOL!

    Gee, how about you translating and posting that, so that no one else has to translate it either.

    Oh wait, I'll do that

    [Reporter Chen Yufu/Taipei Report] The Taiwan Public Opinion Foundation announced today the poll results of "Pelosi's visit to Taiwan, China's military exercises and Taiwan's public opinion". Among Taiwanese over the age of 20, 50% choose Taiwan to be independent in the future, and only 12% Choose "cross-strait reunification" in the future, and 26% choose to continue to "maintain the status quo" in the future; the CCP held a large-scale live-fire military exercise against Taiwan, and President Tsai Ing-wen's reputation failed to rise, but fell sharply by 7 percentage points.

    Polls show that 50% of Taiwanese people support Taiwan independence, 11.8% support cross-strait reunification, 25.7% maintain the status quo, and 12.1% have no opinion, don’t know, or refuse to answer. You Yinglong, chairman of the Taiwan Public Opinion Foundation, said that the 5-day sea and air blockade of the CCP's largest ever live-fire drill around Taiwan did not deter Taiwanese people's collective expectations and aspirations for the future. Half of Taiwanese hope that Taiwan will become independent in the future, followed by maintaining the status quo.

    You Yinglong pointed out that it is worth noting that those who expect the status quo to be maintained in the future are only half of those who expect Taiwan to be independent in the future. It can be seen that looking forward to Taiwan's independence in the future is the mainstream public opinion in Taiwan's current society, not maintaining the status quo. The Taiwan government's long-term propaganda, regardless of blue or green, that "Taiwanese hope to maintain the status quo forever" is not a fact, but an illusion, a lie, or a myth.

    In addition, the CCP held a large-scale military exercise against Taiwan. The results of the poll showed that 18.8% of the public strongly agree with the way President Tsai Ing-wen handles national affairs, 26.9% somewhat agree, 19.6% disapprove, and 21.1% do not agree at all. , 13.5% had no opinion, did not know or refused to answer.

    "President Tsai Ing-wen's reputation has dropped by 7 percentage points!" You Yinglong pointed out that among Taiwanese over the age of 20, 46% agree with President Tsai's handling of state affairs, and 41% disagree. Those who agree are 5% more than those who disagree. Compared with last month, the prestige of President Tsai has fluctuated greatly. The "approval rate of the performance of the presidency" dropped by 7 percentage points to 45.7%, while the "disapproval rate of the performance of the presidency" was 40.7%, a surge of 5.6%.

    You Yinglong talked about why President Tsai's reputation fell by 7 percentage points within 2 months, especially when Pelosi came to Taiwan and China's large-scale military exercises seriously threatened Taiwan's security. This is a very strange phenomenon, and it may be the first time in history.

    You Yinglong analyzed that Pelosi's visit to Taiwan was warmly welcomed by Taiwanese society. The polls have confirmed that the effect is very positive. Transformed into "consolidating the leadership center effect"; therefore, with the two major factors of the United States and China turbulent, there is no reason why President Tsai's prestige will skyrocket, not to mention the "Abe assassination effect" still lingering. Under the triple external effects, President Tsai's popularity has bucked the trend and plummeted by 7 percentage points. The only possibility is that internal factors override external factors. First, the people of the country are dissatisfied with the performance of President Tsai's national security leadership, and second, the "Lin Zhijian Papers Case".

    Former legislator Lin Zhuoshui pointed out that President Tsai's popularity has dropped by 7%, which is the lowest in a year, and suddenly dropped to the lowest. It stands to reason that the CCP’s military exercises would increase the polls, but they didn’t. Why did this happen? The possible reason is that President Tsai's many specific measures have disappointed the public, and then it is the impact of Lin Zhijian's paper incident.

    Lin Zhuoshui analyzed that after President Tsai took office in 2016, she tried her best to improve the relationship with the Beijing authorities, and sent James Soong to rub against Xi Jinping. She was allowed to use "Chinese Taipei" when participating in international activities, which was even softer than Ma Ying-jeou. Her support for cross-strait policies had been declining at that time. , until Xi Jinping suddenly announced in 2019 that he would start discussing the "One Country, Two Systems Taiwan Plan", President Tsai immediately stated that he would never accept it, and because of this sentence, he became a "hot Taiwanese girl" and broke through the downturn.

    Lin Zhuoshui emphasized that this time the CCP announced that it will conduct a large-scale live-fire military exercise. The scope of the exercise is included in the air defense identification zone, and even overlaps with Taiwan's territorial waters. As a result, the government's response is very slow. What's the use of consolidating the leadership center? The missile flew over Taiwan. Although it was in outer space, the common people had to read the Japanese news to know about it. This information was covered up by the government. In addition, the overall attitude was very vague. It was very different from the previous image of the hot Taiwanese girl, and there was no specific response. This will be reflected in the polls.

    He pointed out that the next wave was impacted by the plagiarism incident of Lin Zhijian’s thesis. The first wave was the plagiarism that expanded from Chunghwa University’s thesis to National Taiwan University’s thesis. The second wave was the dissertation of the National Taiwan University Ethics Association. The third wave was that after the results of the National Taiwan University review were released, President Tsai and the Democratic Progressive Party fought back with all their strength to impact social perception. Finally, the Central Executive Committee revoked the nomination of Lin Zhijian. The reason for the revocation had a lot to do with social expectations. He also thinks that Lin Zhijian is not wrong, "he only cares about power, regardless of right and wrong."

    "President Tsai doesn't look like a hot Taiwanese girl now, she looks more like a coward!" You Yinglong criticized, as long as the people of the country have gone through the crisis in the Taiwan Strait, they can't help thinking that President Lee Teng-hui had 18 sets of scripts to respond to, and he said many encouraging words, but President Tsai Faced with the threat of the CCP, they are still living as usual as if nothing had happened. This is too far from the public's feelings, and the population will drop by 7 percentage points.

    The interview period of the poll is August 8th and 9th this year; adults over the age of 20 are nationwide; the sampling method is based on the national residential telephone users as the sampling structure, and the system sampling is randomized by adding two digits at the mantissa. The effective sample is 1035 people; the sampling error is about plus or minus 3.05 percentage points at the 95% confidence level. And according to the latest demographic data of the Ministry of the Interior, weighted by region, gender, age and education level, in order to conform to the parent structure.

    edited May 2023
  • Reply 25 of 36
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
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    tmay said:
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    JP234 said:
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    JP234 said:
    Probably a good move, given what Xi said yesterday.
    If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China, is it the end of Western civilization? LOL
    "…If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…"

    Everyone here knows you're a PRC mouthpiece, Chu Dong. Why don't you move over to Twitter, or TikTok or better yet, Truth(ness) Social? There's a lot of useful idiots there who will believe and repost everything you say. Including the owners.
    This is typical answer from idiots. You don't know dialectic. 
    Notice the lack of the article in the first sentence. And the misuse of the word dialectic (a discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned argumentation). Shows ignorance of the English language. There is not even a HINT of wishing to establish the truth, when a Chinese troll says "If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…" There is literally no one outside the PRC who believes that will ever happen. That's why it's obvious you're a liar and a Chinese troll. Get lost.
    The fact of the truth is US acknowledges one China. And the Taiwan Relation Act will protect Taiwan so the conflict will be peacefully resolved by the Chinese people. The natural conclusion is US will support Taiwan to be peacefully reunited with China. The separatists in Taiwan are using all kinds of means to brainwash Americans to believe they want independence. 
    Actually, while the U.S. acknowledges China's "One China" policy, the nuance of the Taiwan Relations Act doesn't actually state that the U.S. recognizes the "One China" policy. Hence why any aggression by the PLA may end up with the U.S. and its allies defending Taiwan.

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-us-one-china-policy-and-why-does-it-matter

    The United States did not, however, give in to Chinese demands that it recognize Chinese sovereignty over Taiwan (which is the name preferred by the United States since it opted to de-recognize the ROC). Instead, Washington acknowledged the Chinese position that Taiwan was part of China. For geopolitical reasons, both the United States and the PRC were willing to go forward with diplomatic recognition despite their differences on this matter. When China attempted to change the Chinese text from the original acknowledgeto recognize, Deputy Secretary of State Warren Christopher told a Senate hearing questioner, “[W]e regard the English text as being the binding text. We regard the word ‘acknowledge’ as being the word that is determinative for the U.S.” In the August 17, 1982, U.S.-China Communique, the United States went one step further, stating that it had no intention of pursuing a policy of “two Chinas” or “one China, one Taiwan.”
    It is also true that the voters in Taiwan, a vibrant democracy, support Taiwan's independence more than unification, but mostly, the status quo.

    https://www.newsweek.com/taiwan-china-politics-identity-independence-unification-public-opinion-polling-1724546#:~:text=In%20a%20biannual%20update%20to,formal%20Taiwanese%20independence%20at%20the

    In a biannual update to its surveys on core political attitudes in Taiwan, National Chengchi University's Election Study Center (ESC) found only 1.3 percent of respondents wanted unification with mainland China "as soon as possible," while a similarly low 5.1 percent desired formal Taiwanese independence at the earliest possibility.

    The appeal for both scenarios, which the ESC has tracked since 1994, remain near all-time lows. The latest figures published Tuesday, represented a 0.1 point drop for immediate unification and 0.7 point drop for immediate independence—two extreme viewpoints that tend not to weigh too heavily on the democratic island's regular elections.

    For the past two decades, the majority of respondents have favored some form of the "status quo," the survey showed. Taiwan, now a semi-recognized state, has been ruled separately from the People's Republic of China on the mainland since the PRC was founded in Beijing in 1949.

    Seems definitely no on unification with the PRC.

    But hey, FAFO.
    No! Biden administration has repeatedly said US adheres to the one China policy. Taiwan Relation Act means US wants China to adhere to the one China policy peacefully. Read the Act for yourself. Don't rely on those demagogues articles. 
    The Taiwan people, other than a small 1.3 percent, do not want unification. That's a fact, Jack!

    So, that's a definite "no" on peaceful unification, leaving the PRC to potentially force Taiwan to unify.

    https://www.voanews.com/a/biden-s-taiwan-comments-raise-questions-about-us-stance-/6754684.html#:~:text=In%20an%20interview%20Sunday%20night,take%20over%20Taiwan%20by%20force.

    Officials in the administration of President Joe Biden keep insisting that nothing about the United States’ policy toward Taiwan has changed, but the president’s own repeated statements that the U.S. would defend the self-governing island in the event of an attack by China are making those assurances difficult for many to accept.

    In an interview Sunday night with the CBS News program “60 Minutes,” Biden, for the fourth time since taking office in 2021, said that the United States would respond militarily to a Chinese attempt to take over Taiwan by force.

    China claims Taiwan as part of its territory, and Chinese President Xi Jinping has made “reunification” of the island with the mainland a major goal of his government. China maintains that Taiwan is part of One China, despite the fact that the island has been self-governing since 1945.

    For decades, the U.S. has tried to pursue a course of “strategic ambiguity” with regard to Taiwan. Relations between Washington and Taipei have been friendly, and the U.S. has for years sold military equipment to the Taiwanese government. At the same time, successive U.S. administrations have said they agree with the “One China” policy, with the caveat that any disagreement between Taiwan and China must be resolved without the use of force.

    Seems that you don't do nuance, nor do you do facts.
    No! This is not true! The blue camp wants to unite with China under Republic of China. The green camp wants to de-China and independence. The green camp is only 40% of the population. By the way, Kuo, the CEO of Foxconn sought 2004 presidential election nomination by KMT. His agenda is pull down the governing DPP and wants to negotiate peace with China. 
    LOL!

    You communists just can't figure it out.

    Once people taste freedom, nothing else comes close.
    No! Chinese loves peace more than freedom. Many Chinese choose to live in gated community in US because of peace in exchange of some freedom lost. 
    You are the least persuasive United Front Work Department mouthpiece that I have ever come across. Perhaps this occupation isn't for you?

    https://cset.georgetown.edu/article/how-chinas-united-front-system-works-overseas/

    Either up your game, or leave and let some other party member take a shot at it.
    LOL Stop reading these authors. They are sophists. They do not know Chinese history. They don' know Chinese culture. You don't either. 
    Well, I certainly know that the people of Taiwan don't want to be part of China, which is something that you either don't know, or won't accept.

    Oh, and a note to both you and avonb7; this guy can actually be contacted if you want to argue policy;

    Ryan Fedasiuk is a China Technology Policy Advisor at the U.S. Department of State, where he is sponsored by the Center for Security and Emerging Technology’s (CSET) State Department Fellowship. He also serves as an Adjunct Fellow (on leave) at the Center for a New American Security (CNAS). Ryan previously worked as a Research Analyst at CSET, where his portfolio spanned military applications of artificial intelligence, U.S. security posture in East Asia, and China’s influence operations and efforts to acquire foreign technology.

    Prior to joining CSET and CNAS, Ryan worked at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, the Arms Control Association, and the Council on Foreign Relations, where he primarily covered aerospace and nuclear issues. He has also served as an advisor for SandboxAQ, a quantum technology company.

    Ryan’s commentary has appeared in Foreign PolicyDefense OneBreaking DefenseWar on the RocksPOLITICO, and The Diplomat, among other outlets. He is a coauthor of “China’s Quest for Foreign Technology: Beyond Espionage” (Routledge, 2020) and “Chinese Power and Artificial Intelligence” (Routledge, 2022).

    Ryan holds an M.A. in Security Studies from Georgetown University, where he also studied Chinese. He received his B.A. in International Studies and a minor in Russian from American University.

    Waveparticle, you need to find another line of work, because you can't change the facts;

    Conventional wisdom holds that a central element of Taiwanese identity is the idea that Taiwanese culture is distinct from Chinese culture. But our new survey results challenge ethnocentric understandings of Taiwanese identity. We find that what unites Taiwanese people is not a rejection of Chinese culture, but a rejection of the PRC’s political system.





    You said "Once people taste freedom, nothing else comes close. 98.7 percent of the population, according to polls, do not want to be unified with China. " You are a liar!

    From this Taiwan independence propaganda newspaper, "民調顯示,50%台灣民眾支持台灣獨立,11.8%兩岸統一,25.7%維持現狀,12.1%沒意見、不知道、拒答。"
    https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/politics/breakingnews/4026727

    and from another poll "「實現祖國統一是全體中華兒女的共同願望」,民調顯示有4%非常同意、還算同意10%、不太同意28%、非常不同意45%,另有13%沒意見,拒答0%。"
    http://https//www.storm.mg/article/4769444

    And they are from Taiwan. You are a spokesperson for the U.S. Department of State, which is no different from the Chinese counterpart brainwashing people to suit government policy. 
    LOL!

    You trying to convince an english speaking audience with your links...impossible

    Me pulling a few dozen other links to support my view that Taiwan is almost entirely against unification...piece of cake.
    LOL You don't know to use Google translate to read foreign web page? You are a computer idiot!
    LOL!

    Gee, how about you translating and posting that, so that no one else has to translate it either.
    LOL Go back to use Google search to learn how to use Google translate.

    You guys don't understand Chinese, don't know Chinese history, don't understand Chinese culture. Yet you and Ryan Fedasiuk pretend to be China experts. You are nothing more than sophists!
  • Reply 26 of 36
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,328member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    Probably a good move, given what Xi said yesterday.
    If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China, is it the end of Western civilization? LOL
    "…If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…"

    Everyone here knows you're a PRC mouthpiece, Chu Dong. Why don't you move over to Twitter, or TikTok or better yet, Truth(ness) Social? There's a lot of useful idiots there who will believe and repost everything you say. Including the owners.
    This is typical answer from idiots. You don't know dialectic. 
    Notice the lack of the article in the first sentence. And the misuse of the word dialectic (a discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned argumentation). Shows ignorance of the English language. There is not even a HINT of wishing to establish the truth, when a Chinese troll says "If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…" There is literally no one outside the PRC who believes that will ever happen. That's why it's obvious you're a liar and a Chinese troll. Get lost.
    The fact of the truth is US acknowledges one China. And the Taiwan Relation Act will protect Taiwan so the conflict will be peacefully resolved by the Chinese people. The natural conclusion is US will support Taiwan to be peacefully reunited with China. The separatists in Taiwan are using all kinds of means to brainwash Americans to believe they want independence. 
    Actually, while the U.S. acknowledges China's "One China" policy, the nuance of the Taiwan Relations Act doesn't actually state that the U.S. recognizes the "One China" policy. Hence why any aggression by the PLA may end up with the U.S. and its allies defending Taiwan.

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-us-one-china-policy-and-why-does-it-matter

    The United States did not, however, give in to Chinese demands that it recognize Chinese sovereignty over Taiwan (which is the name preferred by the United States since it opted to de-recognize the ROC). Instead, Washington acknowledged the Chinese position that Taiwan was part of China. For geopolitical reasons, both the United States and the PRC were willing to go forward with diplomatic recognition despite their differences on this matter. When China attempted to change the Chinese text from the original acknowledgeto recognize, Deputy Secretary of State Warren Christopher told a Senate hearing questioner, “[W]e regard the English text as being the binding text. We regard the word ‘acknowledge’ as being the word that is determinative for the U.S.” In the August 17, 1982, U.S.-China Communique, the United States went one step further, stating that it had no intention of pursuing a policy of “two Chinas” or “one China, one Taiwan.”
    It is also true that the voters in Taiwan, a vibrant democracy, support Taiwan's independence more than unification, but mostly, the status quo.

    https://www.newsweek.com/taiwan-china-politics-identity-independence-unification-public-opinion-polling-1724546#:~:text=In%20a%20biannual%20update%20to,formal%20Taiwanese%20independence%20at%20the

    In a biannual update to its surveys on core political attitudes in Taiwan, National Chengchi University's Election Study Center (ESC) found only 1.3 percent of respondents wanted unification with mainland China "as soon as possible," while a similarly low 5.1 percent desired formal Taiwanese independence at the earliest possibility.

    The appeal for both scenarios, which the ESC has tracked since 1994, remain near all-time lows. The latest figures published Tuesday, represented a 0.1 point drop for immediate unification and 0.7 point drop for immediate independence—two extreme viewpoints that tend not to weigh too heavily on the democratic island's regular elections.

    For the past two decades, the majority of respondents have favored some form of the "status quo," the survey showed. Taiwan, now a semi-recognized state, has been ruled separately from the People's Republic of China on the mainland since the PRC was founded in Beijing in 1949.

    Seems definitely no on unification with the PRC.

    But hey, FAFO.
    No! Biden administration has repeatedly said US adheres to the one China policy. Taiwan Relation Act means US wants China to adhere to the one China policy peacefully. Read the Act for yourself. Don't rely on those demagogues articles. 
    The Taiwan people, other than a small 1.3 percent, do not want unification. That's a fact, Jack!

    So, that's a definite "no" on peaceful unification, leaving the PRC to potentially force Taiwan to unify.

    https://www.voanews.com/a/biden-s-taiwan-comments-raise-questions-about-us-stance-/6754684.html#:~:text=In%20an%20interview%20Sunday%20night,take%20over%20Taiwan%20by%20force.

    Officials in the administration of President Joe Biden keep insisting that nothing about the United States’ policy toward Taiwan has changed, but the president’s own repeated statements that the U.S. would defend the self-governing island in the event of an attack by China are making those assurances difficult for many to accept.

    In an interview Sunday night with the CBS News program “60 Minutes,” Biden, for the fourth time since taking office in 2021, said that the United States would respond militarily to a Chinese attempt to take over Taiwan by force.

    China claims Taiwan as part of its territory, and Chinese President Xi Jinping has made “reunification” of the island with the mainland a major goal of his government. China maintains that Taiwan is part of One China, despite the fact that the island has been self-governing since 1945.

    For decades, the U.S. has tried to pursue a course of “strategic ambiguity” with regard to Taiwan. Relations between Washington and Taipei have been friendly, and the U.S. has for years sold military equipment to the Taiwanese government. At the same time, successive U.S. administrations have said they agree with the “One China” policy, with the caveat that any disagreement between Taiwan and China must be resolved without the use of force.

    Seems that you don't do nuance, nor do you do facts.
    No! This is not true! The blue camp wants to unite with China under Republic of China. The green camp wants to de-China and independence. The green camp is only 40% of the population. By the way, Kuo, the CEO of Foxconn sought 2004 presidential election nomination by KMT. His agenda is pull down the governing DPP and wants to negotiate peace with China. 
    LOL!

    You communists just can't figure it out.

    Once people taste freedom, nothing else comes close.
    No! Chinese loves peace more than freedom. Many Chinese choose to live in gated community in US because of peace in exchange of some freedom lost. 
    You are the least persuasive United Front Work Department mouthpiece that I have ever come across. Perhaps this occupation isn't for you?

    https://cset.georgetown.edu/article/how-chinas-united-front-system-works-overseas/

    Either up your game, or leave and let some other party member take a shot at it.
    LOL Stop reading these authors. They are sophists. They do not know Chinese history. They don' know Chinese culture. You don't either. 
    Well, I certainly know that the people of Taiwan don't want to be part of China, which is something that you either don't know, or won't accept.

    Oh, and a note to both you and avonb7; this guy can actually be contacted if you want to argue policy;

    Ryan Fedasiuk is a China Technology Policy Advisor at the U.S. Department of State, where he is sponsored by the Center for Security and Emerging Technology’s (CSET) State Department Fellowship. He also serves as an Adjunct Fellow (on leave) at the Center for a New American Security (CNAS). Ryan previously worked as a Research Analyst at CSET, where his portfolio spanned military applications of artificial intelligence, U.S. security posture in East Asia, and China’s influence operations and efforts to acquire foreign technology.

    Prior to joining CSET and CNAS, Ryan worked at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, the Arms Control Association, and the Council on Foreign Relations, where he primarily covered aerospace and nuclear issues. He has also served as an advisor for SandboxAQ, a quantum technology company.

    Ryan’s commentary has appeared in Foreign PolicyDefense OneBreaking DefenseWar on the RocksPOLITICO, and The Diplomat, among other outlets. He is a coauthor of “China’s Quest for Foreign Technology: Beyond Espionage” (Routledge, 2020) and “Chinese Power and Artificial Intelligence” (Routledge, 2022).

    Ryan holds an M.A. in Security Studies from Georgetown University, where he also studied Chinese. He received his B.A. in International Studies and a minor in Russian from American University.

    Waveparticle, you need to find another line of work, because you can't change the facts;

    Conventional wisdom holds that a central element of Taiwanese identity is the idea that Taiwanese culture is distinct from Chinese culture. But our new survey results challenge ethnocentric understandings of Taiwanese identity. We find that what unites Taiwanese people is not a rejection of Chinese culture, but a rejection of the PRC’s political system.





    You said "Once people taste freedom, nothing else comes close. 98.7 percent of the population, according to polls, do not want to be unified with China. " You are a liar!

    From this Taiwan independence propaganda newspaper, "民調顯示,50%台灣民眾支持台灣獨立,11.8%兩岸統一,25.7%維持現狀,12.1%沒意見、不知道、拒答。"
    https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/politics/breakingnews/4026727

    and from another poll "「實現祖國統一是全體中華兒女的共同願望」,民調顯示有4%非常同意、還算同意10%、不太同意28%、非常不同意45%,另有13%沒意見,拒答0%。"
    http://https//www.storm.mg/article/4769444

    And they are from Taiwan. You are a spokesperson for the U.S. Department of State, which is no different from the Chinese counterpart brainwashing people to suit government policy. 
    LOL!

    You trying to convince an english speaking audience with your links...impossible

    Me pulling a few dozen other links to support my view that Taiwan is almost entirely against unification...piece of cake.
    LOL You don't know to use Google translate to read foreign web page? You are a computer idiot!
    LOL!

    Gee, how about you translating and posting that, so that no one else has to translate it either.
    LOL Go back to use Google search to learn how to use Google translate.

    You guys don't understand Chinese, don't know Chinese history, don't understand Chinese culture. Yet you and Ryan Fedasiuk pretend to be China experts. You are nothing more than sophists!
    Maybe, but you surely have no clue what your article stated.
  • Reply 27 of 36
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    Probably a good move, given what Xi said yesterday.
    If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China, is it the end of Western civilization? LOL
    "…If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…"

    Everyone here knows you're a PRC mouthpiece, Chu Dong. Why don't you move over to Twitter, or TikTok or better yet, Truth(ness) Social? There's a lot of useful idiots there who will believe and repost everything you say. Including the owners.
    This is typical answer from idiots. You don't know dialectic. 
    Notice the lack of the article in the first sentence. And the misuse of the word dialectic (a discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned argumentation). Shows ignorance of the English language. There is not even a HINT of wishing to establish the truth, when a Chinese troll says "If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China…" There is literally no one outside the PRC who believes that will ever happen. That's why it's obvious you're a liar and a Chinese troll. Get lost.
    The fact of the truth is US acknowledges one China. And the Taiwan Relation Act will protect Taiwan so the conflict will be peacefully resolved by the Chinese people. The natural conclusion is US will support Taiwan to be peacefully reunited with China. The separatists in Taiwan are using all kinds of means to brainwash Americans to believe they want independence. 
    Actually, while the U.S. acknowledges China's "One China" policy, the nuance of the Taiwan Relations Act doesn't actually state that the U.S. recognizes the "One China" policy. Hence why any aggression by the PLA may end up with the U.S. and its allies defending Taiwan.

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-us-one-china-policy-and-why-does-it-matter

    The United States did not, however, give in to Chinese demands that it recognize Chinese sovereignty over Taiwan (which is the name preferred by the United States since it opted to de-recognize the ROC). Instead, Washington acknowledged the Chinese position that Taiwan was part of China. For geopolitical reasons, both the United States and the PRC were willing to go forward with diplomatic recognition despite their differences on this matter. When China attempted to change the Chinese text from the original acknowledgeto recognize, Deputy Secretary of State Warren Christopher told a Senate hearing questioner, “[W]e regard the English text as being the binding text. We regard the word ‘acknowledge’ as being the word that is determinative for the U.S.” In the August 17, 1982, U.S.-China Communique, the United States went one step further, stating that it had no intention of pursuing a policy of “two Chinas” or “one China, one Taiwan.”
    It is also true that the voters in Taiwan, a vibrant democracy, support Taiwan's independence more than unification, but mostly, the status quo.

    https://www.newsweek.com/taiwan-china-politics-identity-independence-unification-public-opinion-polling-1724546#:~:text=In%20a%20biannual%20update%20to,formal%20Taiwanese%20independence%20at%20the

    In a biannual update to its surveys on core political attitudes in Taiwan, National Chengchi University's Election Study Center (ESC) found only 1.3 percent of respondents wanted unification with mainland China "as soon as possible," while a similarly low 5.1 percent desired formal Taiwanese independence at the earliest possibility.

    The appeal for both scenarios, which the ESC has tracked since 1994, remain near all-time lows. The latest figures published Tuesday, represented a 0.1 point drop for immediate unification and 0.7 point drop for immediate independence—two extreme viewpoints that tend not to weigh too heavily on the democratic island's regular elections.

    For the past two decades, the majority of respondents have favored some form of the "status quo," the survey showed. Taiwan, now a semi-recognized state, has been ruled separately from the People's Republic of China on the mainland since the PRC was founded in Beijing in 1949.

    Seems definitely no on unification with the PRC.

    But hey, FAFO.
    No! Biden administration has repeatedly said US adheres to the one China policy. Taiwan Relation Act means US wants China to adhere to the one China policy peacefully. Read the Act for yourself. Don't rely on those demagogues articles. 
    The Taiwan people, other than a small 1.3 percent, do not want unification. That's a fact, Jack!

    So, that's a definite "no" on peaceful unification, leaving the PRC to potentially force Taiwan to unify.

    https://www.voanews.com/a/biden-s-taiwan-comments-raise-questions-about-us-stance-/6754684.html#:~:text=In%20an%20interview%20Sunday%20night,take%20over%20Taiwan%20by%20force.

    Officials in the administration of President Joe Biden keep insisting that nothing about the United States’ policy toward Taiwan has changed, but the president’s own repeated statements that the U.S. would defend the self-governing island in the event of an attack by China are making those assurances difficult for many to accept.

    In an interview Sunday night with the CBS News program “60 Minutes,” Biden, for the fourth time since taking office in 2021, said that the United States would respond militarily to a Chinese attempt to take over Taiwan by force.

    China claims Taiwan as part of its territory, and Chinese President Xi Jinping has made “reunification” of the island with the mainland a major goal of his government. China maintains that Taiwan is part of One China, despite the fact that the island has been self-governing since 1945.

    For decades, the U.S. has tried to pursue a course of “strategic ambiguity” with regard to Taiwan. Relations between Washington and Taipei have been friendly, and the U.S. has for years sold military equipment to the Taiwanese government. At the same time, successive U.S. administrations have said they agree with the “One China” policy, with the caveat that any disagreement between Taiwan and China must be resolved without the use of force.

    Seems that you don't do nuance, nor do you do facts.
    No! This is not true! The blue camp wants to unite with China under Republic of China. The green camp wants to de-China and independence. The green camp is only 40% of the population. By the way, Kuo, the CEO of Foxconn sought 2004 presidential election nomination by KMT. His agenda is pull down the governing DPP and wants to negotiate peace with China. 
    LOL!

    You communists just can't figure it out.

    Once people taste freedom, nothing else comes close.
    No! Chinese loves peace more than freedom. Many Chinese choose to live in gated community in US because of peace in exchange of some freedom lost. 
    You are the least persuasive United Front Work Department mouthpiece that I have ever come across. Perhaps this occupation isn't for you?

    https://cset.georgetown.edu/article/how-chinas-united-front-system-works-overseas/

    Either up your game, or leave and let some other party member take a shot at it.
    LOL Stop reading these authors. They are sophists. They do not know Chinese history. They don' know Chinese culture. You don't either. 
    Well, I certainly know that the people of Taiwan don't want to be part of China, which is something that you either don't know, or won't accept.

    Oh, and a note to both you and avonb7; this guy can actually be contacted if you want to argue policy;

    Ryan Fedasiuk is a China Technology Policy Advisor at the U.S. Department of State, where he is sponsored by the Center for Security and Emerging Technology’s (CSET) State Department Fellowship. He also serves as an Adjunct Fellow (on leave) at the Center for a New American Security (CNAS). Ryan previously worked as a Research Analyst at CSET, where his portfolio spanned military applications of artificial intelligence, U.S. security posture in East Asia, and China’s influence operations and efforts to acquire foreign technology.

    Prior to joining CSET and CNAS, Ryan worked at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, the Arms Control Association, and the Council on Foreign Relations, where he primarily covered aerospace and nuclear issues. He has also served as an advisor for SandboxAQ, a quantum technology company.

    Ryan’s commentary has appeared in Foreign PolicyDefense OneBreaking DefenseWar on the RocksPOLITICO, and The Diplomat, among other outlets. He is a coauthor of “China’s Quest for Foreign Technology: Beyond Espionage” (Routledge, 2020) and “Chinese Power and Artificial Intelligence” (Routledge, 2022).

    Ryan holds an M.A. in Security Studies from Georgetown University, where he also studied Chinese. He received his B.A. in International Studies and a minor in Russian from American University.

    Waveparticle, you need to find another line of work, because you can't change the facts;

    Conventional wisdom holds that a central element of Taiwanese identity is the idea that Taiwanese culture is distinct from Chinese culture. But our new survey results challenge ethnocentric understandings of Taiwanese identity. We find that what unites Taiwanese people is not a rejection of Chinese culture, but a rejection of the PRC’s political system.





    You said "Once people taste freedom, nothing else comes close. 98.7 percent of the population, according to polls, do not want to be unified with China. " You are a liar!

    From this Taiwan independence propaganda newspaper, "民調顯示,50%台灣民眾支持台灣獨立,11.8%兩岸統一,25.7%維持現狀,12.1%沒意見、不知道、拒答。"
    https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/politics/breakingnews/4026727

    and from another poll "「實現祖國統一是全體中華兒女的共同願望」,民調顯示有4%非常同意、還算同意10%、不太同意28%、非常不同意45%,另有13%沒意見,拒答0%。"
    http://https//www.storm.mg/article/4769444

    And they are from Taiwan. You are a spokesperson for the U.S. Department of State, which is no different from the Chinese counterpart brainwashing people to suit government policy. 
    LOL!

    You trying to convince an english speaking audience with your links...impossible

    Me pulling a few dozen other links to support my view that Taiwan is almost entirely against unification...piece of cake.
    LOL You don't know to use Google translate to read foreign web page? You are a computer idiot!
    LOL!

    Gee, how about you translating and posting that, so that no one else has to translate it either.
    LOL Go back to use Google search to learn how to use Google translate.

    You guys don't understand Chinese, don't know Chinese history, don't understand Chinese culture. Yet you and Ryan Fedasiuk pretend to be China experts. You are nothing more than sophists!
    Maybe, but you surely have no clue what your article stated.
    LOL I uncovered that you are an idiot to China and computer science. I believe countless smart AI readers will be able to read the two web pages. 
  • Reply 28 of 36
    mikethemartianmikethemartian Posts: 1,318member
    JP234 said:
    Probably a good move, given what Xi said yesterday.
    If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China, is it the end of Western civilization? LOL
    There is not going to be anything peaceful about it.
    tmay
  • Reply 29 of 36
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    JP234 said:
    Probably a good move, given what Xi said yesterday.
    If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China, is it the end of Western civilization? LOL
    There is not going to be anything peaceful about it.
    Hong Kong was peacefully returned to China in 1997. 
  • Reply 30 of 36
    chutzpahchutzpah Posts: 392member
    JP234 said:
    Probably a good move, given what Xi said yesterday.
    If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China, is it the end of Western civilization? LOL
    There is not going to be anything peaceful about it.
    Hong Kong was peacefully returned to China in 1997. 
    And the world has seen how that has gone.  No one will be falling for those obviously false assurances again.
    tmay
  • Reply 31 of 36
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    Probably a good move, given what Xi said yesterday.
    If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China, is it the end of Western civilization? LOL
    There is not going to be anything peaceful about it.
    Hong Kong was peacefully returned to China in 1997. 
    中国狗屎
    You have a mental disease. Please see a doctor and get some medicine. 
    Uhm, moderators, more spills on aisle waveparticle
    No! He keeps cursing me with the same words. He is the problem. And you lied that "The Taiwan people, other than a small 1.3 percent, do not want unification. That's a fact, Jack!". I proved your lie with two polls from Taiwan. 
    edited May 2023
  • Reply 32 of 36
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,328member
    tmay said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    Probably a good move, given what Xi said yesterday.
    If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China, is it the end of Western civilization? LOL
    There is not going to be anything peaceful about it.
    Hong Kong was peacefully returned to China in 1997. 
    中国狗屎
    You have a mental disease. Please see a doctor and get some medicine. 
    Uhm, moderators, more spills on aisle waveparticle
    No! He keeps cursing me with the same words. He is the problem. And you lied that "The Taiwan people, other than a small 1.3 percent, do not want unification. That's a fact, Jack!". I proved your lie with two polls from Taiwan. 
    Really you didn't prove anything other than there is a range of people in Taiwan that would accept unification, under 11.8% using your data, but the majority want nothing to do with unification.
  • Reply 33 of 36
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    Probably a good move, given what Xi said yesterday.
    If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China, is it the end of Western civilization? LOL
    There is not going to be anything peaceful about it.
    Hong Kong was peacefully returned to China in 1997. 
    中国狗屎
    You have a mental disease. Please see a doctor and get some medicine. 
    Uhm, moderators, more spills on aisle waveparticle
    No! He keeps cursing me with the same words. He is the problem. And you lied that "The Taiwan people, other than a small 1.3 percent, do not want unification. That's a fact, Jack!". I proved your lie with two polls from Taiwan. 
    Really you didn't prove anything other than there is a range of people in Taiwan that would accept unification, under 11.8% using your data, but the majority want nothing to do with unification.
    The truth is you are a liar. This is important. This means your words are trustable. Unless you can show AI readers you did not make up the 1.3 percent number and show us where you see it. 
  • Reply 34 of 36
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,328member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    JP234 said:
    JP234 said:
    Probably a good move, given what Xi said yesterday.
    If Taiwan is peacefully reunited with China, is it the end of Western civilization? LOL
    There is not going to be anything peaceful about it.
    Hong Kong was peacefully returned to China in 1997. 
    中国狗屎
    You have a mental disease. Please see a doctor and get some medicine. 
    Uhm, moderators, more spills on aisle waveparticle
    No! He keeps cursing me with the same words. He is the problem. And you lied that "The Taiwan people, other than a small 1.3 percent, do not want unification. That's a fact, Jack!". I proved your lie with two polls from Taiwan. 
    Really you didn't prove anything other than there is a range of people in Taiwan that would accept unification, under 11.8% using your data, but the majority want nothing to do with unification.
    The truth is you are a liar. This is important. This means your words are trustable. Unless you can show AI readers you did not make up the 1.3 percent number and show us where you see it. 
    LOL! 

    My pants don't seem to be on fire, so maybe you're wrong.
    JP234
  • Reply 35 of 36
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member
    melgross said:
    I think it’s interesting that we’ve had criticism of the administration here designating less than $60 billion for direct chip manufacturing support, while the Japanese government is giving around $400 billion, from an economy that’s about 40% the size of ours. Unless people here understand we need to get serious about this (and other matters) we’re going to be left behind. It’s gotten to the point where chip manufacturing has gotten so expensive, and the industry’s sales have stopped growing to support these increased costs, that without extensive governmental monetary help, it will collapse here.
    $400 billion? Do you learn math from the athletic

    I got that number wrong. Sorry about that. Still the problem exists.
    edited May 2023
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