Yeah, there are some. Maybe even quite a few. But the ratio is probably like 1:5. We could sit here all day and dredge up the names of suspected right-leaning actors and entertainers (all the usual suspects) and it still wouldn't constitute much of a dent in the overall structure or leanings of the industry as a whole.
Definitely the minority viewpoint.
Granted, it WOULD be interesting to know just how many there are in the industry who truly do "tilt right", but for many reasons (see my other post above), choose to keep it to themselves.
When you get to Eastwood/Willis/Arnold status, you can pretty much do/say whatever...you're untouchable (kinda a right-wing counterpart to Streisand, Sheen and Reiner). But the "non-superstar" types...I'd be curious to know "who leans where" and who is registered as a what and who believes in what.
Would make a cool little list to read!
But, like being gay in the 50's, there are certain things you just don't come out as in Hollywood if you value your career. If we're running on a 40 year delay cycle, then I estimate that sometime around 2038 it'll be completely safe for the average, non-superstar actor/singer to "come out" as a Republican in Tinsel Town, with no fear of damage or repurcussions.
I don't necessarily buy the idea that right-leaning movie stars are punished for their views. If anything, it was left-leaning movie stars who were blacklisted, historically.
Do you think Mr. Weinstein at Miramax cares two shits about the ideological views of his movie stars? No! He's as opportunistic as you can get. Ruthless I might say. I'm just not seeing a trend here. But I would be very interested in reading something about it.
1. "historically" = in the past. Doesn't mean the opposite can't - or hasn't - happen since.
2. Weinstein? I don't know. But we can hardly pull one lone guy out of an entire industry and ask "does he give two shits...". Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. I don't know the guy or much about him, other than what I've read in Premiere or Movieline. But I'd bet my next paycheck or two that there are plenty who do. That's not a far-out, inflammatory or "making it up" statement. I'm quite certain there are major powerbrokers in Hollywood who can afford to make decisions based on "who plays ball" and who might be seen as "outside the loop".
3. "Punished" might be too harsh a word, with overly negative vibes. I don't think they're harrassed or intimidated or threatened. I simply think they're maybe ostracized a bit, and not seen by the ruling powers there as "in our circle". They aren't allowed to join in the reindeer games as much as others whose views mesh with the larger whole. I'd be curious to see what kinds of places or events Selleck and Patricia Heaton do - or do not - get invited to, asked to speak at, etc.
Interesting.
No, they're not blacklisted and ruined. But in some ways, I bet some do suffer for "not going along". Or, at the very least, just keeping quiet about their views.
It happens in the "real world"...we've all heard the stories about universities and businesses and instances of gladhanding, "buddy promotions", cliques, etc. I've witnessed it in two workplaces myself. If you have views, beliefs, opinions, etc. that run counter or afoul to the top dogs running the show, you can be the best [fill in the blank] the company has ever seen and you still might not ever progress as high and far as you could if you simply "went along" and played ball or whatever.
In that aspect, Hollywood is no different...just another business or industry when you strip the glamour and stuff away. Of COURSE it goes on there!
Not that it bothers me because I'm not a) in the industry and subject to it or b) give too much of a damn about those who are.
Just because they are in a movie with a certaint morale doesn´t mean that they support it.
Definitely. I mean, look at Madonna. I loved Evita but I don't think she "got it." Either that or she really wanted to follow in Eva Peron's footsteps.
Eva Peron is also a good example of stardom turning into bad politics. Something to keep in mind when actors are given more credit than they deserve (which is what we are talking about, right?).
All the celebs screaming about bias and the new "blacklist" tend to overlook the fact that they condemn anyone in Hollywood with strong conservative views on things. Unless those folks make lots and lots of money.
I don't necessarily buy the idea that right-leaning movie stars are punished for their views. If anything, it was left-leaning movie stars who were blacklisted, historically.
Do you think Mr. Weinstein at Miramax cares two shits about the ideological views of his movie stars? No! He's as opportunistic as you can get. Ruthless I might say. I'm just not seeing a trend here. But I would be very interested in reading something about it.
Blacklisted? Only if you were Communist, and that was decades ago. Now it's chic to be anti-war because it's the easier thing to say. The 'pro-war' (misnomer) people keep quiet, and thankfully so. In general, they know when and where to voice their opinions.
Producers care deeply about star publicity. Steve Bing voided a contract with Sean Penn because he didn't feel like dealing with Penn's political volatility. Of course Penn sued him in return...
Once you get so big that you do not need anybody in hollywood to get work it is ok to share a conservative political view.
if you are an actor just starting out you will stop getting called for work once your politics are known. Hollywood is a town of ego's and they choose to work only with people that agree with them. they surround themselves with agreement aboutr how great they are, etc.
How else do you explain that 75% of america are pro war. however, probably 80% of hollywood are anti-war
Thank you, JC. That's exactly what I spoke about above: once you get to a certain level of fame or "cash cow status", you get some leeway and an aura of "untouchability". No one is going to tell Willis, Eastwood, Gibson, Schwarzenegger, etc. what they can/should think or believe. They make studios too much money.
But until you GET to that point, you're completely subject to the whims, personalities, cliques, etc. of the higher-ups, the producers, the "movers and shakers", etc.
the amazing thing about the complaints of the Anti-War actors is that
they are not being blacklisted as they still get lots of work. they are even paid to speek art anti war talks.
and they trruly have free speech to say whatever they want. Infact they have far more frreedom than average people as they have access to the media
the only thing that is happening tro them is that they are not being honored. Their ego's are such that a lack of agreement and honor occurs to them as a violation of their human rights. as if being honnored, reveared and agreed with is a human right which is unique to movie stars and protected by the constitutation of the United States.
the amazing thing about the complaints of the Anti-War actors is that
they are not being blacklisted as they still get lots of work. they are even paid to speek art anti war talks.
and they trruly have free speech to say whatever they want. Infact they have far more frreedom than average people as they have access to the media
the only thing that is happening tro them is that they are not being honored. Their ego's are such that a lack of agreement and honor occurs to them as a violation of their human rights. as if being honnored, reveared and agreed with is a human right which is unique to movie stars and protected by the constitutation of the United States.
What movie stars have is fame. With fame comes power and influence. Let me see if I get this straight:
What movie stars have is fame. With fame comes power and influence. Let me see if I get this straight:
Large Egos = Anti-War Celebrities.
Is that right?
NO, that is not right
and I have never ment to implied so.
there are many pro war people with large egos
if anything having a power, influence and a large ego allows you to surround youself with people who agree with you so that you can be rightess in your views.
Take the KKK for example, they all talked to each other and were able to convince themselves that everybody felt that way.
if anything having a power, influence and a large ego allows you to surround youself with people who agree with you so that you can be rightess in your views.
Take the KKK for example, they all talked to each other and were able to convince themselves that everybody felt that way.
What movie stars have is fame. With fame comes power and influence. Let me see if I get this straight:
Large Egos = Anti-War Celebrities.
Is that right?
uh NO! most celebraties have large ego's this does not make them bad or wrong.
read the post again
Originally posted by JC
Yes
the amazing thing about the complaints of the Anti-War actors is that
they are not being blacklisted as they still get lots of work. they are even paid to speek at anti-war talks. Tim Robbins won an award at ucla he is not backlisted, in truth he is mad because a large precentage of peopl in US do not like him because of his views. If anything Hollywood has blacklisted republican actors.
and they truly have free speech to say whatever they want. Infact they have far more frreedom than average people as they have access to a media which cany wait to quote them
the only thing that is happening tro them is that they are not being honored. Their ego's are such that a lack of agreement and honor occurs to them as a violation of their human rights. as if being honnored, reveared and agreed with is a human right which is unique to movie stars and protected by the constitutation of the United States.
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Definitely the minority viewpoint.
Granted, it WOULD be interesting to know just how many there are in the industry who truly do "tilt right", but for many reasons (see my other post above), choose to keep it to themselves.
When you get to Eastwood/Willis/Arnold status, you can pretty much do/say whatever...you're untouchable (kinda a right-wing counterpart to Streisand, Sheen and Reiner). But the "non-superstar" types...I'd be curious to know "who leans where" and who is registered as a what and who believes in what.
Would make a cool little list to read!
But, like being gay in the 50's, there are certain things you just don't come out as in Hollywood if you value your career. If we're running on a 40 year delay cycle, then I estimate that sometime around 2038 it'll be completely safe for the average, non-superstar actor/singer to "come out" as a Republican in Tinsel Town, with no fear of damage or repurcussions.
Do you think Mr. Weinstein at Miramax cares two shits about the ideological views of his movie stars? No! He's as opportunistic as you can get. Ruthless I might say. I'm just not seeing a trend here. But I would be very interested in reading something about it.
2. Weinstein? I don't know. But we can hardly pull one lone guy out of an entire industry and ask "does he give two shits...". Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. I don't know the guy or much about him, other than what I've read in Premiere or Movieline. But I'd bet my next paycheck or two that there are plenty who do. That's not a far-out, inflammatory or "making it up" statement. I'm quite certain there are major powerbrokers in Hollywood who can afford to make decisions based on "who plays ball" and who might be seen as "outside the loop".
3. "Punished" might be too harsh a word, with overly negative vibes. I don't think they're harrassed or intimidated or threatened. I simply think they're maybe ostracized a bit, and not seen by the ruling powers there as "in our circle". They aren't allowed to join in the reindeer games as much as others whose views mesh with the larger whole. I'd be curious to see what kinds of places or events Selleck and Patricia Heaton do - or do not - get invited to, asked to speak at, etc.
Interesting.
No, they're not blacklisted and ruined. But in some ways, I bet some do suffer for "not going along". Or, at the very least, just keeping quiet about their views.
It happens in the "real world"...we've all heard the stories about universities and businesses and instances of gladhanding, "buddy promotions", cliques, etc. I've witnessed it in two workplaces myself. If you have views, beliefs, opinions, etc. that run counter or afoul to the top dogs running the show, you can be the best [fill in the blank] the company has ever seen and you still might not ever progress as high and far as you could if you simply "went along" and played ball or whatever.
In that aspect, Hollywood is no different...just another business or industry when you strip the glamour and stuff away. Of COURSE it goes on there!
Not that it bothers me because I'm not a) in the industry and subject to it or b) give too much of a damn about those who are.
Originally posted by Anders the White
Just because they are in a movie with a certaint morale doesn´t mean that they support it.
Definitely. I mean, look at Madonna. I loved Evita but I don't think she "got it." Either that or she really wanted to follow in Eva Peron's footsteps.
Eva Peron is also a good example of stardom turning into bad politics. Something to keep in mind when actors are given more credit than they deserve (which is what we are talking about, right?).
Originally posted by JC
I mean, are there any?
where is John Wayne when you need him
All the celebs screaming about bias and the new "blacklist" tend to overlook the fact that they condemn anyone in Hollywood with strong conservative views on things. Unless those folks make lots and lots of money.
Do they?
Originally posted by ShawnPatrickJoyce
I don't necessarily buy the idea that right-leaning movie stars are punished for their views. If anything, it was left-leaning movie stars who were blacklisted, historically.
Do you think Mr. Weinstein at Miramax cares two shits about the ideological views of his movie stars? No! He's as opportunistic as you can get. Ruthless I might say. I'm just not seeing a trend here. But I would be very interested in reading something about it.
Blacklisted? Only if you were Communist, and that was decades ago. Now it's chic to be anti-war because it's the easier thing to say. The 'pro-war' (misnomer) people keep quiet, and thankfully so. In general, they know when and where to voice their opinions.
Producers care deeply about star publicity. Steve Bing voided a contract with Sean Penn because he didn't feel like dealing with Penn's political volatility. Of course Penn sued him in return...
Originally posted by SDW2001
Arnold Schwarzenager
Bruce Willis
Tome Hanks
Will Smith
has any of these stars spoken in favor of the war in public. or are they silent supporters
part of me thinks that if Spielburg was not anti war most of hollywood would switch to pro war.
Originally posted by iBeni
probably Ronald Reagan....
Reagan was a democrat before and shortly after he entered politics though.
Originally posted by SDW2001
Arnold Schwarzenager
Bruce Willis
Tome Hanks
Will Smith
Once you get so big that you do not need anybody in hollywood to get work it is ok to share a conservative political view.
if you are an actor just starting out you will stop getting called for work once your politics are known. Hollywood is a town of ego's and they choose to work only with people that agree with them. they surround themselves with agreement aboutr how great they are, etc.
How else do you explain that 75% of america are pro war. however, probably 80% of hollywood are anti-war
But until you GET to that point, you're completely subject to the whims, personalities, cliques, etc. of the higher-ups, the producers, the "movers and shakers", etc.
Just like ANY OTHER INDUSTRY.
the amazing thing about the complaints of the Anti-War actors is that
they are not being blacklisted as they still get lots of work. they are even paid to speek art anti war talks.
and they trruly have free speech to say whatever they want. Infact they have far more frreedom than average people as they have access to the media
the only thing that is happening tro them is that they are not being honored. Their ego's are such that a lack of agreement and honor occurs to them as a violation of their human rights. as if being honnored, reveared and agreed with is a human right which is unique to movie stars and protected by the constitutation of the United States.
Originally posted by pscates
Just like ANY OTHER INDUSTRY.
I do not know of another industry which will keep you from working if you are openly republican. Except of course for the Democratic party.
Originally posted by JC
Yes
the amazing thing about the complaints of the Anti-War actors is that
they are not being blacklisted as they still get lots of work. they are even paid to speek art anti war talks.
and they trruly have free speech to say whatever they want. Infact they have far more frreedom than average people as they have access to the media
the only thing that is happening tro them is that they are not being honored. Their ego's are such that a lack of agreement and honor occurs to them as a violation of their human rights. as if being honnored, reveared and agreed with is a human right which is unique to movie stars and protected by the constitutation of the United States.
What movie stars have is fame. With fame comes power and influence. Let me see if I get this straight:
Large Egos = Anti-War Celebrities.
Is that right?
Originally posted by ShawnPatrickJoyce
What movie stars have is fame. With fame comes power and influence. Let me see if I get this straight:
Large Egos = Anti-War Celebrities.
Is that right?
NO, that is not right
and I have never ment to implied so.
there are many pro war people with large egos
if anything having a power, influence and a large ego allows you to surround youself with people who agree with you so that you can be rightess in your views.
Take the KKK for example, they all talked to each other and were able to convince themselves that everybody felt that way.
Originally posted by JC
if anything having a power, influence and a large ego allows you to surround youself with people who agree with you so that you can be rightess in your views.
Take the KKK for example, they all talked to each other and were able to convince themselves that everybody felt that way.
Huh?
Originally posted by ShawnPatrickJoyce
What movie stars have is fame. With fame comes power and influence. Let me see if I get this straight:
Large Egos = Anti-War Celebrities.
Is that right?
uh NO! most celebraties have large ego's this does not make them bad or wrong.
read the post again
Originally posted by JC
Yes
the amazing thing about the complaints of the Anti-War actors is that
they are not being blacklisted as they still get lots of work. they are even paid to speek at anti-war talks. Tim Robbins won an award at ucla he is not backlisted, in truth he is mad because a large precentage of peopl in US do not like him because of his views. If anything Hollywood has blacklisted republican actors.
and they truly have free speech to say whatever they want. Infact they have far more frreedom than average people as they have access to a media which cany wait to quote them
the only thing that is happening tro them is that they are not being honored. Their ego's are such that a lack of agreement and honor occurs to them as a violation of their human rights. as if being honnored, reveared and agreed with is a human right which is unique to movie stars and protected by the constitutation of the United States.
What?
Originally posted by ShawnPatrickJoyce
Forgive me for being obtuse, but
What?