iPhone 16 won't be compelling, says analyst with no compelling data

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in iPhone edited January 2

Investment analysts at Barclays say that the 2024 iPhone 16 range won't reverse what it sees as falling iPhone demand, and consequently has lowered its stock price target.

Mockup of a possible iPhone 16
Mockup of a possible iPhone 16



Barclays has only cut its Apple price target by a dollar -- from $161 to $160 -- but it calls the stock underweight and has no expectation of it improving.

"We expect reversion after a year when most quarters were missed and the stock outperformed," said Barclays analysts in a note to investors seen by AppleInsider. "Our checks remain negative on volumes and mix for iPhone 15, and we see no features or upgrades that are likely to make the iPhone 16 more compelling."

According to Bloomberg, Apple's stock was down $1.40 in pre-market trading. At the time of writing, it has now dropped 2.92%.

Barclays was similarly dismissive of the iPhone 15 range ahead of its launch, however. In that case, the presumption was less about compelling features, and more that the analysts were certain the iPhone 15 Pro would see a steep price increase.

Investment analyst Tim Long has also tended to be pessimistic about Apple since Barclays resumed covering its stock in 2019. At that point, Barclays predicted Apple's Services growth would slow and that 2020's move to 5G would not make a "meaningful difference" in sales.

The iPhone is considered the most important product category for AAPL with about 50% of revenues stemming from it. However, with sub-seasonal quarterly growth for five in the last six quarters and with negative number revisions, Barclays expects "this trend to continue."

Supply chain checks have pointed to production cuts and sell-through weakness, as well as a shift in product mix towards base models over Pro versions.

On Mac and iPad, the note explains they basically showed "no growth pre-COVID, but are still running 20-30% above those levels despite the rest of the industry correcting."

A deceleration in growth for Services in 2024 and 2025 is expected, with growth thought to be about 10% and 8% respectively, well below the previous 20% growth estimate. Barclays warns of the impact of Google TAC and that investigations into the App Store could intensify.

Apple's advertising is "the best business in Services," with high double-digit growth. Apple Music and Apple TV were expected to have higher attach rates, but they're calculated at 8% and 3% penetration of the iPhone base.

For Apple TV+, Barclays estimates that Apple is losing about $6 billion per year, due to a lack of scale and a high cost of content.

Rumor Score: Unlikely

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  • Reply 1 of 29
    I have to say that most Equities analysts talk their own book.

    I.e. if their most profitable clients are looking to load up on AAPL then they will put out cautionary notes to the public about AAPL to allow their clients to buy into depressed demand and thus secure lower average per share prices. Reverse behaviour if looking to offload shares in bulk then talk up the stock to sell into strong demand to get as much for the shares as possible.

    Looking objectively at AAPL and unit sales for a minute. Yes handset sales are somewhat threatened as people stretch their upgrade cycles longer and longer. This is somewhat offset with building momentum in new markets like India and Indonesia with huge populations, rapidly growing affluence and low current base for Apple.

    Overall selling devices may be less of the story for AAPL in the next few years depending on how some pivotal rulings may or may not change the landscape. This is where one should keep one's eye as services have about 2x gross margin compared to devices and if continuing uninterrupted will soon be 50% of overall gross margin contribution.

    Cutting AAPL targets due to handset concerns is quite dumb. Being somewhat concerned with seismic shifts in the services revenue is a better thing to be focused on and caution is needed here.

    AAPL needs to better articulate their story of how they will prosper in a world with multiple app stores, competition of in-app payments, search engine placement competition or bans. I.e. what is the growth model with minimal control of the eco-system vs. strong control as it is now.

    Personally I think Apple has a bright future ahead of itself as most customers will remain loyal to the brand and the service ecosystem. It is an aspirational product and ecosystem in most countries and as a comparison LMVH, Hermes and others are doing exceedingly well despite there being a mee-too universe of copycats. On the other hand Hermes does not stop the wearer from having Zara trousers together with a silk scarf. Apple currently limits the customer from mixing and matching devices and services with others for the most part.




    retrogustochasmd_2roundaboutnowaderutter
  • Reply 2 of 29
    red oakred oak Posts: 1,089member
    This “analyst” had a target price of $116 three years ago.   He is always wrong.  Has been for many years.  Amazing how someone like this still has his job 
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  • Reply 3 of 29
    retrogustoretrogusto Posts: 1,112member
    I’m gonna say…

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  • Reply 4 of 29
    NYC362NYC362 Posts: 80member
    red oak said:
    This “analyst” had a target price of $116 three years ago.   He is always wrong.  Has been for many years.  Amazing how someone like this still has his job 
    Simple, he comes out with a warning like this, the stock price falls. (Right now, it's around 186.88, down $5.65).  His clients, etc. buy up a boat load later on today.  The price will still be down from yesterday, but their buying gets it to recover a bit.  

    Within a couple weeks, this is all forgotten.  Then VisionPro comes out in a month or so and regardless of how expensive it is, and how limited an audience it appeals to, and how expensive it is, is does sell and creates crowds of people at Apple stores waiting to try it, and the stock goes back up.    The same people who buy on today's fall, sell their holdings and make a few dollars per share on the short term trade. 


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  • Reply 5 of 29
    I’m gonna say…

    I’m gonna say VERY unlikely.
    chasmjas99
  • Reply 6 of 29
    danoxdanox Posts: 2,875member
    Don't trust any UK financial outfit when comes to Tech, Manufacturing, Infrastructure, or North Sea Oil in short...... Go ask a Norwegian financial guy in the last 40 years.
    edited January 2 chasmjas99Bart Y
  • Reply 7 of 29
    Barclays never recovered emotionally after Apple dumped them for Apple Card. 
    badmonktophatnosocksjas99dewmeStrangeDaysBart Y
  • Reply 8 of 29
    iPhone 15 wasn't really that compelling either.
  • Reply 9 of 29
    sully54sully54 Posts: 108member
    Nothing like artificially deflating a  stock on the first trading day of the year to make the stock’s performance look that much better at the last trading day of the year. 
    jas99fred1
  • Reply 10 of 29
    AppleZuluAppleZulu Posts: 2,011member
    As always it's a game of "analyst expectations" versus actuals. So they make a dim prediction, Apple outperforms (or underperforms), the stock gets a bump (or a dip), the short-term traders make money from the gain or from the short-sale and then everybody resets and ignores the past performance of the analysts when they queue up to make the next prediction. It's a racket that would be mostly harmless if everyone would learn to just ignore the analysts if you're not playing the short game and are actually interested in the long-term performance of the company in question. 
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 11 of 29
    So this analyst came to his conclusion because he isn’t seeing rumors of new features, so there must not be new features. Sounds pretty sketchy
    StrangeDaysBart Y
  • Reply 12 of 29
    By logic similar to "even a broken clock tells the right time twice a day," Barclay's may be more right than not here, having nothing to do with their analytical abilities when it comes to Apple or the lack thereof. I think the upgrade list for the Pro models is likely to be the annual new chip, an incremental upgrade to the camera, solid state buttons and some sort of AI-enhanced functionality. What else could it be? We had the design refresh for the 15 Pro models, USB-C, the latest Bluetooth, wifi 6E (Apple won't go to 7 yet), display bezels have been narrowed close to non-existent. The only way I see this going differently is if Apple pulls another iPhone X moment and unveils a totally new phone and design in addition to the expected models. Maybe the mythical "Ultra" model finally arrives, starting at a $1499 price point. THAT would at least be exciting and excitement has been in short supply around recent iPhone releases. 
  • Reply 13 of 29
    Glad we had this uncompelling article to tell us about the uncompelling information from this analyst.
  • Reply 14 of 29
    Phones are just vending machines for services right now. Obviously there’s not much that can be innovated with a phone right now. It’s al evolution and not revolution. 
    How is that a surprise?
    gatorguy
  • Reply 15 of 29
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,703member
    Is being 'compelling' even relevant?

    If you are playing the market short term maybe, but in that case why would it matter in January when the model in question isn't due to ship until September/October? 

    If you are looking at a long term investment, one model is just a blip on your screen. 

    Most iPhone users will want to upgrade to a new iPhone. Most, would simply put off upgrading until something better comes along or bite the bullet if waiting isn't an option. Their options are few and far between. 

    Either way, Apple is likely to get the sale eventually. 

    A smaller number would probably consider switching but would that dramatically impact sales? 

    A recent report said Apple had been impacted and seen a sales decline as a result of not offering a folding option but the decline in that report was estimated at less than 10%.

    Is it relevant? Yes, because those sales were lost from the most premium segment but overall I doubt it worries Apple too much. 

    Obviously, some markets will be more fickle than others. It is far more likely that a Spanish iPhone user will switch than a US iPhone user. 

    Another point is that there is currently a massive push into  intelligent cars in China and a lot of that intelligence is coming from external players who also manufacture phones. 

    If you can get folding phone that integrates deeply with your car and everything else in your ecosystem, that will obviously appeal to some users. If Apple isn't offering a comparable feature set that might work against sales. 

    But that is the bigger picture and has little to do with whether the next iPhone model will be compelling or not. 

    For new potential features look no further than current Android phones:

    New image sensors for cameras. 
    Variable physical aperture. 
    Ultra fast charging (wired and wireless) 
    Improved lenses
    More options on finish
    Two way voice satellite communication. 
    Ehem, AI. 
    Flip and folding options.

    There is still a lot that can be offered. Would some of that be compelling? 


    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 16 of 29
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 18,016member
    This is an unbelievably stupid analysis. He has no idea what features Apple plans to implement.   He also doesn’t mention the Vision Pro or any other possible developments.  None of that is unusual for analysts though. Part of the problem is the system that expects endless, geometric growth for a company to be “healthy.” Apple is basically the biggest company in the world with an unbelievable market presence and cultural presence.  iPhone went from a luxury product to a must have to a household name within the span of about five years. It’s like talking down Coca-Cola because Coke and Diet Coke aren’t growing at 30% a year.  as another member said, it’s all about expectations and making money for their clients. Get that price to go down a few bucks, and the big investors start piling into it. Then it“beats expectations” and they take the profits. Rinse, repeat.  if a stock is low, buy it and talk it up.  If a stock is high, talk it down and then buy it. It’s not that complicated.  
  • Reply 17 of 29
    what, exactly, is compelling?

    It's a phone.
    nubus
  • Reply 18 of 29
    dewmedewme Posts: 5,376member
    I think Apple still has a few tricks up its sleeve with the iPhone. Remember when we were all scoffing at the hideous “giant phones” that Apple’s competitors were bringing out during the iPhone 4/5 era? Surprise, surprise, surprise … Apple brings out its iPhone 6 lineup and its own “giant” iPhone and we couldn’t slap down the plastic fast enough. Same thing will happen with Apple’s folding iPhones and possibly folding iPads. Get ready for nightstand mode on a folding iPhone. 

    I do agree that all smartphones have reached a certain level of evolution. The primary drivers of pretty much all flagship smartphone hardware refinement has been on the camera arrays, photo and video processing, and gaming performance with their much improved screens with higher and dynamically adaptive refresh rates. Yeah, you still can make phone calls if that’s what you’re into grandpa, but it’s more about these devices providing an always-on portal into one’s online presence within the ever expanding social media universe. 
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 19 of 29
    Moronic analysts don’t know what they are talking about regarding Apple. Exactly the same with Tesla, with them thinking it’s just a car company! Apple had the next generation of interface coming out with Vision Pro and continues to offer best in class mobile and desktop computing. 
  • Reply 20 of 29
    cpsrocpsro Posts: 3,200member
    The Barclays analysts aren't compelling.
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