Epic vs Apple suit finally ends, as Supreme Court refuses to hear both appeals

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in iPhone edited January 16

After more than three years, the Epic Games vs Apple legal battle is completely over as the US Supreme Court refuses to hear the "Fortnite" maker's appeal.

Epic Games viral '1984' ad campaign against Apple
Epic Games viral '1984' ad campaign against Apple



On August 13, 2020, Epic Games decided to implement direct payments for "Fortnite" in an attempt to circumvent Apple's 30% App Store commission. Apple then pulled the game from the App Store and Epic Games, expressing surprise, launched what proved to have been a long-planned legal battle.

Some three years and five months later, that battle is finally ended, with no more opportunities for appeal. Throughout the long saga, Epic Games has mostly lost at every step, but Apple did not always win.

According to Reuters, the US Supreme Court decided on January 16, 2024, that it would decline to hear an antitrust challenge by Epic Games. The challenge was by way of an appeal against a lower court's decision, but the Supreme Court also declined to hear Apple's own appeal of that same decision.

Apple's disagreement with the decision concerned a part of the ruling that accused Apple of anti-steering practices, or how it prevents developers informing users of alternative ways to buy their apps.

That ruling in 2021 by Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers, included a requirement for Apple to alter its App Store practices to avoid anti-steering. While Apple was appealing against that decision, the judge's injunction was put on hold.

That hold on the injunction is presumably now lifted, but neither the courts nor Apple have commented.

Why Apple and Epic Games went to court



Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney has previously claimed that his company's disagreement with Apple was not about the 30% App Store commission. He's claimed that his dispute is over a free market where anyone can compete.

Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney. Credit: Epic Games
Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney. Credit: Epic Games



"If we just build this thing in an open environment then companies can live on their merits," Sweeney said in March 2023. "We very much like that because we have a history of winning on the merits when given the chance and we're terribly frustrated at markets like iOS where you just can't make an Epic Games Store for iOS because Apple says 'You can't compete with us'!"

For its part, Apple has repeatedly said only that Epic Games chose to break the App Store agreements that it had signed.

"Epic's problem is entirely self-inflicted and is in their power to resolve," said Apple in 2021. "Epic has been one of the most successful developers on the App Store, growing into a multibillion dollar business that reaches millions of iOS customers around the world."

"We very much want to keep the company as part of the Apple Developer Program and their apps on the Store," continued Apple at the time.

Following the Supreme Court's final ruling, Sweeney took to Twitter/X to decry the decision -- and to paint the anti-steering injunction as a
victory for developers.

The Supreme Court denied both sides' appeals of the Epic v. Apple antitrust case. The court battle to open iOS to competing stores and payments is lost in the United States. A sad outcome for all developers.

— Tim Sweeney (@TimSweeneyEpic)




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  • Reply 1 of 53
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,453member
    Epic tale of greed...
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  • Reply 2 of 53
    carnegiecarnegie Posts: 1,082member
    AppleInsider said:

    ...

    That hold on the injunction is presumably now lifted, but neither the courts nor Apple have commented.

    ...

    Pursuant to the Ninth Circuit's stay order from July, the mandate requiring Apple to cease its anti-steering policies should issue as soon as the parties notify the Ninth Circuit that the Supreme Court denied cert.
    edited January 16 killroyh2pchasmwatto_cobraroundaboutnow
  • Reply 3 of 53
    jdwjdw Posts: 1,418member
    Speaking of epic tales, when will Stephen King be writing a book based on this story and his look-alike?  
    Might even be a Sweeney Todd reboot of sorts entitled, Tim Sweeney: The Demon Gamer of Cheat Street
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  • Reply 4 of 53
    Meanwhile Epic is intentionally running their own game store at a loss to try and gain marketshare. That's a direct contradiction to Sweeney claiming that he wants to compete on "merit". Running at a loss is the approach bigger companies do to try and snuff out smaller competitors who can't afford that approach. 
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  • Reply 5 of 53
    So Apple has to allow companies to say "you go to <company's website URL> to subscribe", but Epic and other companies don't have a right to their own app stores?
  • Reply 6 of 53
    So Apple has to allow companies to say "you go to <company's website URL> to subscribe", but Epic and other companies don't have a right to their own app stores?
    The anti-steering ruling was specific to California state law. I believe Apple is still appealing that ruling, but if they ultimately lose then it's CA only. 
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  • Reply 7 of 53
    carnegiecarnegie Posts: 1,082member
    This decision to deny cert on Epic's petition in particular is pretty important. It's going to make it harder for anyone - to include the DOJ - to establish that Apple has monopoly power in certain relevant markets and thus to establish that Apple has violated anti-trust laws.

    One of the things the Ninth Circuit did in its opinion in this case is outline the circumstances under which a relevant antitrust market can be limited to a single brand. Under the guidelines the Ninth Circuit established it will be difficult to show that iOS distribution, for example, is a relevant antitrust market. The Supreme Court just decided not to review those guidelines and perhaps overrule or alter them. The Supreme Court didn't actually affirm them, so it's still plausible that it will in the future effectively overrule them. But for now it's a positive development when it comes to the likelihood that those guidelines, or something close, will live on.

    What the Ninth Circuit said on this front is only legally binding in that circuit, but courts in other circuits may find it persuasive if they need to consider such matters themselves. At any rate, I think this cert denial makes certain kinds of antitrust actions the DOJ may bring in the future more difficult and may incline it to file such actions in a different circuit.
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  • Reply 8 of 53
    flydogflydog Posts: 1,139member
    So Apple has to allow companies to say "you go to <company's website URL> to subscribe", but Epic and other companies don't have a right to their own app stores?
    The anti-steering ruling was specific to California state law. I believe Apple is still appealing that ruling, but if they ultimately lose then it's CA only. 
    What? No. Wrong!

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21060628/epic-apple-injunction.pdf

  • Reply 9 of 53
    Lol epic. 

    You get to compete - as a developer. Against other developers. But you don’t get to act as the platform itself. You don’t get to go to Barnes and noble and try to set up your own bookstore inside. You can pay a fee to have r book sold there.
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  • Reply 10 of 53
    flydog said:
    So Apple has to allow companies to say "you go to <company's website URL> to subscribe", but Epic and other companies don't have a right to their own app stores?
    The anti-steering ruling was specific to California state law. I believe Apple is still appealing that ruling, but if they ultimately lose then it's CA only. 
    What? No. Wrong!

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21060628/epic-apple-injunction.pdf

    "The 9th US Circuit Court of Appeals found last year that Apple violated California’s Unfair Competition Law by limiting the ability of developers to communicate about alternative payment systems."

    https://news.bloomberglaw.com/antitrust/supreme-court-rejects-apples-request-for-epic-app-store-review#

    So what I was wrong about was that the appeal per anti-steering was ongoing. SC refused to hear both Epic and Apple's appeals.
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  • Reply 11 of 53
    Good, SCOTUS shouldn't get involved everytime there is a dispute among companies.
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  • Reply 12 of 53
    carnegiecarnegie Posts: 1,082member
    So Apple has to allow companies to say "you go to <company's website URL> to subscribe", but Epic and other companies don't have a right to their own app stores?
    More or less, that's correct. Developers can include links (and information)  in their apps that direct users to other payment options.

    Also, Apple still doesn't have to reinstate Epic's developer account so Epic may remain unable to distribute its Fortnite app on iOS.

    Further, Apple can still require the payment of licensing fees for the use of its IP even though payments go through other parties. Depending on how Apple decides to handle that, it could make for a messy situation.
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  • Reply 13 of 53
    carnegiecarnegie Posts: 1,082member

    So Apple has to allow companies to say "you go to <company's website URL> to subscribe", but Epic and other companies don't have a right to their own app stores?
    The anti-steering ruling was specific to California state law. I believe Apple is still appealing that ruling, but if they ultimately lose then it's CA only. 
    flydog said:
    So Apple has to allow companies to say "you go to <company's website URL> to subscribe", but Epic and other companies don't have a right to their own app stores?
    The anti-steering ruling was specific to California state law. I believe Apple is still appealing that ruling, but if they ultimately lose then it's CA only. 
    What? No. Wrong!

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21060628/epic-apple-injunction.pdf

    "The 9th US Circuit Court of Appeals found last year that Apple violated California’s Unfair Competition Law by limiting the ability of developers to communicate about alternative payment systems."

    https://news.bloomberglaw.com/antitrust/supreme-court-rejects-apples-request-for-epic-app-store-review#

    So what I was wrong about was that the appeal per anti-steering was ongoing. SC refused to hear both Epic and Apple's appeals.
    The injunction against Apple's anti-steering policies applies nationwide even though it's based on violation of California law.
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  • Reply 14 of 53
    harrykatsarosharrykatsaros Posts: 89unconfirmed, member
    How does Sweeney keep his job at this point? The losses as a result of removing Fortnite from iOS have got to be in the billions of dollars by now, in addition to the millions in legal fees; and it was all for nought. Surely his one man crusade will not be looked upon kindly by his board and investors. 
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  • Reply 15 of 53
    carnegie said:

    So Apple has to allow companies to say "you go to <company's website URL> to subscribe", but Epic and other companies don't have a right to their own app stores?
    The anti-steering ruling was specific to California state law. I believe Apple is still appealing that ruling, but if they ultimately lose then it's CA only. 
    flydog said:
    So Apple has to allow companies to say "you go to <company's website URL> to subscribe", but Epic and other companies don't have a right to their own app stores?
    The anti-steering ruling was specific to California state law. I believe Apple is still appealing that ruling, but if they ultimately lose then it's CA only. 
    What? No. Wrong!

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21060628/epic-apple-injunction.pdf

    "The 9th US Circuit Court of Appeals found last year that Apple violated California’s Unfair Competition Law by limiting the ability of developers to communicate about alternative payment systems."

    https://news.bloomberglaw.com/antitrust/supreme-court-rejects-apples-request-for-epic-app-store-review#

    So what I was wrong about was that the appeal per anti-steering was ongoing. SC refused to hear both Epic and Apple's appeals.
    The injunction against Apple's anti-steering policies applies nationwide even though it's based on violation of California law.
    That doesn't make any sense. You don't extrapolate state laws to cover the entire country. You can say CA has the right to enforce the law because there isn't a federal law regarding anti-steering that takes precedence. 
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  • Reply 16 of 53
    RespiteRespite Posts: 111member
    How does Sweeney keep his job at this point? The losses as a result of removing Fortnite from iOS have got to be in the billions of dollars by now, in addition to the millions in legal fees; and it was all for nought. Surely his one man crusade will not be looked upon kindly by his board and investors. 
    He owns about 30% of it, and they got a lot of publicity.  He'll be fine I'm sure.
    edited January 16 Alex1N
  • Reply 17 of 53
    Well, despite Tim Sweeney being a crook, you can't deny that this case helped developers.

    Now they can advertise prices where they get 100% of the income, maybe we will even get cheaper options now.
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  • Reply 18 of 53
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 13,058member
    "If we just build this thing in an open environment then companies can live on their merits," Sweeney said in March 2023. "We very much like that because we have a history of winning on the merits when given the chance and we're terribly frustrated at markets like iOS where you just can't make an Epic Games Store for iOS because Apple says 'You can't compete with us'!"

    Essentially saying “I want to open a popup restaurant inside McDonald’s. Why won’t they let me compete on merit?!”


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  • Reply 19 of 53
    Well, despite Tim Sweeney being a crook, you can't deny that this case helped developers.

    Now they can advertise prices where they get 100% of the income, maybe we will even get cheaper options now.
    Unlikely. For example, companies that move manufacturing to lower cost of living countries that have lower wages for workers don't lower the retail price of the product. They keep the retail price the same and pocket the $$ saved. 
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  • Reply 20 of 53
    carnegiecarnegie Posts: 1,082member
    Well, despite Tim Sweeney being a crook, you can't deny that this case helped developers.

    Now they can advertise prices where they get 100% of the income, maybe we will even get cheaper options now.
    That (i.e. developers keeping 100% of income) doesn't seem likely, at least not in most circumstances where they weren't already able to keep 100% of income.

    This injunction doesn't abrogate Apple's right to collect a commission for, among other things, the use of its IP. Developers will still have to use the App Store to distribute their apps and still be bound by the terms of Apple's developer agreements, minus the specific terms which Apple can no longer enforce. Unless Apple decides otherwise, they'll still be required to pay a commission on certain kinds of digital sales - whether Apple processes the payments or not.

    Apple might decide to change some of its (still legal) terms or lower its commissions under certain circumstances, but it doesn't seem likely to me that it will reward those developers who decide to direct users to other payment options by completely doing away with the commission requirements that currently apply to certain kinds of digital sales. 
     
    Some developers may find ways to cheat and not pay all the commission which they owe, but in doing so they would be risking Apple figuring that out and terminating their developer accounts for breach of contract. 


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