climber: Definitely get your RAM from a third party, not from Apple. You'll save lots of money. As for the iBook v. PowerBook decision, there are three questions you need to answer:
(1) Do you make a living (or at least generate part of your income) with photography, including RAW image conversion? If yes, get the PowerBook.
(2) Are you on a budget? If yes, get the iBook. If no, get the PowerBook.
(3) Do you have a desktop PowerMac? If yes, the iBook is probably enough (you can do heavy lifting at home).
It's as easy as that!
Escher
I'm a professional photographer that isn't on a budget(hates buying overkill products for simply jobs thought)and has a PM at home..thanks for the questions that I must ask myself! and the RAM advice..coin flips always work
That looks more like a 500USD difference to me, not 1000.
Yes, here in the UK it is only a £250 (pound) difference... at least on the education site. Which seems like a small difference to pay for a smaller, more powerful, better featured 'book.
I would think that these are the last of the current form iBooks. Apple has previously made similar modest incremental upgrades on CPUs prior to a major overhaul of the product. All things considered look for brand-new iBooks in September. Just a guess.
I'm a professional photographer that isn't on a budget (hates buying overkill products for simply jobs though) and has a PM at home.
climber: If you're a pro photographer and not on a budget, there's no question that the PowerBook will work better (i.e. faster) for you. The only reason you should get an iBook over a PowerBook is if your laptop will get really rough treatment in the field. IMO, the iBook's plastic shell is more durable than the PowerBook's aluminum shell, which could bend and dent. The iBook is also cheaper to replace if the elements destroy it completely. Finally, have a look at Rob Galbraith's website. He's a pro and has used iBooks and Titanium PowerBooks (with Nikon DSLRs) to cover some outdoor adventure challenge event in New Zealand (last year, before the 12-inch PowerBooks were released).
Originally posted by Escher The only reason you should get an iBook over a PowerBook is if your laptop will get really rough treatment in the field. IMO, the iBook's plastic shell is more durable than the PowerBook's aluminum shell, which could bend and dent. The iBook is also cheaper to replace if the elements destroy it completely.
Escher [/B]
thanks Escher..I never thought about durability..I have never had a laptop before..nerver needed one..but with digital photography things have changed..I would like to think that I would treat my gear gently..but I will pop over the Rob's site and see what he has to say
I have no idea if the new iBooks have a different color scheme. However, I think if they change the enclosure for the next revision, it'll be the same durability but also less scratchable.
I'm surprised no one noticed this yet - the new iBooks now have DDR SDRAM on their video cards, while the older ones have plain SDRAM. Look at Apple's spec sheet. That should provide better gaming performance. Perhaps I wouldn't have to boot into OS 9 to play Warcraft III on one of the new ones... but I don't know how much of a difference it makes.
so the update is finally here...hmmm..so what to get...here is what I need it for
on the road storage of digital camera images and RAW image converter.
are there any photographers out there using the ibook or PowerBook for this purpose..which would be better?..size is an issue so either one will be a 12 incher. In regards to simply storing data..I think the ibook would be best..but when it comes to converting a RAW image to a tiff through say PS with ARC or with capture one..I am not sure which one would come out on top..at least on top enough to justify a $1000 difference..
thanks Scott
Scott, I'd really consider a PowerBook. Maybe you can find a great deal on a refurb or leftover 800 Mhz.
For a digital photo road warrior, you want[list=1][*]Larger screen[*]PC Card Slot for reading images from your camera's media[*]Easy to upgrade hard drive when you fill up the stock HD.[/list=1]
Remember, all those advantages are only on the 15" and 17" models. The 12" has no PC card slot, the same screen size, and the hard drive can't be upgraded.
For a digital photo road warrior, you want[list=1][*]Larger screen[*]PC Card Slot for reading images from your camera's media[*]Easy to upgrade hard drive when you fill up the stock HD.[/list=1] [/B][/QUOTE]
well I just bought a PB 12 "..I realize a larger screen might be good but I also have to think of size..the 12" fits in my camera bag the 15 doesn't..as for the PC slot all I need it a firewire card reader..is there anything special that must be done to a new battery to make sure you get the most out of it..i.e...conditioning it somehow..I seem to remember reading something about that somewhere..
Sorry your iBook is in such bad shape. If it will really cost $700 to repair your iBook, and you have an external CD-RW, the $999 iBook is definitely a good buy.
Just a quick not to let you know that all is now well again with my iBook 500 (or so it seems a few hours after returning from the repair shop)
Luckily the problem came down to a bad cable (partly the result of a shoddy earlier Apple repair!) running between the combo drive and the motherboard. It set me back 125 pounds!!! for a silly cable but that is certainly a lot cheaper then having to spring for a new iBook immediately when i would rather wait to upgrade sometime down the road by purchasing a 12" powerbook.
Might I add that the Apple Centre had a 12" Powerbook and I was astounded at how much smaller it appeared than the 12" iBook! I expected (considering it had the same size screen and full size keyboard) that its size difference could only be marginal but it actually felt significantly smaller to me. Besides the pleasure of having a repaired iBook in hand the new 12" Powerbook has left me feeling a touch giddy!
well I just bought a PB 12 "..I realize a larger screen might be good but I also have to think of size..the 12" fits in my camera bag the 15 doesn't..as for the PC slot all I need it a firewire card reader..i
Congratulations on your purchase, climber. I think you made the right choice. I agree with you that small size is crucial. That's why the PowerBook to replace my iBook will be the Rev.B 12-inch model.
As for the PC Card slot, FireWire card readers are actually quite a bit faster than PC Card adapters. So for a pro, the choice will be a FireWire card reader regardless of whether there's a PC Card slot in a PowerBook.
Just a quick not to let you know that all is now well again with my iBook 500 (or so it seems a few hours after returning from the repair shop)
Retrograde: I am overjoyed that your iBook was fixable (and fix-worthy) after all. It wouldn't have been nice to be forced to upgrade before it was necessary and timely.
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Might I add that the Apple Centre had a 12" Powerbook and I was astounded at how much smaller it appeared than the 12" iBook! I expected (considering it had the same size screen and full size keyboard) that its size difference could only be marginal but it actually felt significantly smaller to me.
Just like you, I was really surprised by the 12-inch PowerBook's small size in comparison to the iBook when I first saw the two side by side. Even though the two machines might appear similar at first glance, they are two entirely different biests. I still like my iBook, which serves me very well. But there's no doubt in my mind that my next Apple laptop will be a 12-inch PowerBook, when I am ready to upgrade.
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Besides the pleasure of having a repaired iBook in hand the new 12" Powerbook has left me feeling a touch giddy!
Just imagine how giddy you will feel when you replace your iBook with a Rev.B or Rev.C 12-inch PowerBook of your own! I get giddy just thinking about that day.
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Originally posted by Matsu
1000 dollar difference??? In what currency?
12" iBook 900, 1299 USD
12" PowerBook867, 1799 USD
That looks more like a 500USD difference to me, not 1000.
For Photoshop? The PB12 will be between 2-3X faster than the iBook.
that's CAN $$..which is about $1000 give or take a bit ..our dollar sucks but its colorful
Originally posted by Escher
climber: Definitely get your RAM from a third party, not from Apple. You'll save lots of money. As for the iBook v. PowerBook decision, there are three questions you need to answer:
(1) Do you make a living (or at least generate part of your income) with photography, including RAW image conversion? If yes, get the PowerBook.
(2) Are you on a budget? If yes, get the iBook. If no, get the PowerBook.
(3) Do you have a desktop PowerMac? If yes, the iBook is probably enough (you can do heavy lifting at home).
It's as easy as that!
Escher
I'm a professional photographer that isn't on a budget(hates buying overkill products for simply jobs thought)and has a PM at home..thanks for the questions that I must ask myself! and the RAM advice..coin flips always work
Originally posted by Matsu
1000 dollar difference??? In what currency?
12" iBook 900, 1299 USD
12" PowerBook867, 1799 USD
That looks more like a 500USD difference to me, not 1000.
Yes, here in the UK it is only a £250 (pound) difference... at least on the education site. Which seems like a small difference to pay for a smaller, more powerful, better featured 'book.
$963 with GST, and $1023 for you poor saps out in Ontario with PST and GST.
So yeah, it's $1000.
Originally posted by climber
I'm a professional photographer that isn't on a budget (hates buying overkill products for simply jobs though) and has a PM at home.
climber: If you're a pro photographer and not on a budget, there's no question that the PowerBook will work better (i.e. faster) for you. The only reason you should get an iBook over a PowerBook is if your laptop will get really rough treatment in the field. IMO, the iBook's plastic shell is more durable than the PowerBook's aluminum shell, which could bend and dent. The iBook is also cheaper to replace if the elements destroy it completely. Finally, have a look at Rob Galbraith's website. He's a pro and has used iBooks and Titanium PowerBooks (with Nikon DSLRs) to cover some outdoor adventure challenge event in New Zealand (last year, before the 12-inch PowerBooks were released).
Escher
Originally posted by murbot
Well, it's $900 CAD. 2899-1999.
$963 with GST, and $1023 for you poor saps out in Ontario with PST and GST.
So yeah, it's $1000.
I am one of those saps..eh
Originally posted by Escher The only reason you should get an iBook over a PowerBook is if your laptop will get really rough treatment in the field. IMO, the iBook's plastic shell is more durable than the PowerBook's aluminum shell, which could bend and dent. The iBook is also cheaper to replace if the elements destroy it completely.
Escher [/B]
thanks Escher..I never thought about durability..I have never had a laptop before..nerver needed one..but with digital photography things have changed..I would like to think that I would treat my gear gently..but I will pop over the Rob's site and see what he has to say
thanks again
Originally posted by Locomotive
Does anyone know the case colors on these new iBooks? As I recall, the last round had different colors for the low end ($1,000) and the others.
If the rumors are true they are made from pure gold
Originally posted by climber
Hi
so the update is finally here...hmmm..so what to get...here is what I need it for
on the road storage of digital camera images and RAW image converter.
are there any photographers out there using the ibook or PowerBook for this purpose..which would be better?..size is an issue so either one will be a 12 incher. In regards to simply storing data..I think the ibook would be best..but when it comes to converting a RAW image to a tiff through say PS with ARC or with capture one..I am not sure which one would come out on top..at least on top enough to justify a $1000 difference..
thanks Scott
Scott, I'd really consider a PowerBook. Maybe you can find a great deal on a refurb or leftover 800 Mhz.
For a digital photo road warrior, you want[list=1][*]Larger screen[*]PC Card Slot for reading images from your camera's media[*]Easy to upgrade hard drive when you fill up the stock HD.[/list=1]
Originally posted by Not Unlike Myself
PS, I still hold that IMHO Panther will NOT support ANY G3s. (including these latest iBooks)
FWIW, you have my condolenceses if you buy one now...
You, my friend, are nuts.
well I just bought a PB 12 "..I realize a larger screen might be good but I also have to think of size..the 12" fits in my camera bag the 15 doesn't..as for the PC slot all I need it a firewire card reader..is there anything special that must be done to a new battery to make sure you get the most out of it..i.e...conditioning it somehow..I seem to remember reading something about that somewhere..
thanks
Originally posted by Escher
Sorry your iBook is in such bad shape. If it will really cost $700 to repair your iBook, and you have an external CD-RW, the $999 iBook is definitely a good buy.
Just a quick not to let you know that all is now well again with my iBook 500 (or so it seems a few hours after returning from the repair shop)
Luckily the problem came down to a bad cable (partly the result of a shoddy earlier Apple repair!) running between the combo drive and the motherboard. It set me back 125 pounds!!! for a silly cable but that is certainly a lot cheaper then having to spring for a new iBook immediately when i would rather wait to upgrade sometime down the road by purchasing a 12" powerbook.
Might I add that the Apple Centre had a 12" Powerbook and I was astounded at how much smaller it appeared than the 12" iBook! I expected (considering it had the same size screen and full size keyboard) that its size difference could only be marginal but it actually felt significantly smaller to me. Besides the pleasure of having a repaired iBook in hand the new 12" Powerbook has left me feeling a touch giddy!
Originally posted by climber
well I just bought a PB 12 "..I realize a larger screen might be good but I also have to think of size..the 12" fits in my camera bag the 15 doesn't..as for the PC slot all I need it a firewire card reader..i
Congratulations on your purchase, climber. I think you made the right choice. I agree with you that small size is crucial. That's why the PowerBook to replace my iBook will be the Rev.B 12-inch model.
As for the PC Card slot, FireWire card readers are actually quite a bit faster than PC Card adapters. So for a pro, the choice will be a FireWire card reader regardless of whether there's a PC Card slot in a PowerBook.
Escher
Originally posted by Retrograde
Just a quick not to let you know that all is now well again with my iBook 500 (or so it seems a few hours after returning from the repair shop)
Retrograde: I am overjoyed that your iBook was fixable (and fix-worthy) after all. It wouldn't have been nice to be forced to upgrade before it was necessary and timely.
Might I add that the Apple Centre had a 12" Powerbook and I was astounded at how much smaller it appeared than the 12" iBook! I expected (considering it had the same size screen and full size keyboard) that its size difference could only be marginal but it actually felt significantly smaller to me.
Just like you, I was really surprised by the 12-inch PowerBook's small size in comparison to the iBook when I first saw the two side by side. Even though the two machines might appear similar at first glance, they are two entirely different biests. I still like my iBook, which serves me very well. But there's no doubt in my mind that my next Apple laptop will be a 12-inch PowerBook, when I am ready to upgrade.
Besides the pleasure of having a repaired iBook in hand the new 12" Powerbook has left me feeling a touch giddy!
Just imagine how giddy you will feel when you replace your iBook with a Rev.B or Rev.C 12-inch PowerBook of your own! I get giddy just thinking about that day.
Escher