Under-screen Face ID allegedly pushed back to 2026 iPhone 18 Pro

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Under-screen Face ID always seems to be a year away, and the latest rumor now pins it to the 2026 iPhone 18 Pro and iPhone 18 Pro Max models.

iPhone 15 always-on display

Writing on X/Twitter in April, Display Supply Consultants' Ross Young's original roadmap claimed that an under-screen Face ID iPhone 17 Pro and iPhone 17 Pro Max would replace the existing camera notch with only pinhole front-facing cameras.

However, Young has tweaked that a bit. He says he has heard that under-screen Face ID is being pushed back a year to 2026.

If his revised prediction is correct, the 2026 iPhone 18 Pro and iPhone 18 Pro Max will now be the first to replace the notch and use under-screen Face ID. Non-Pro models of the iPhone may not gain an under-screen Face ID feature until the iPhone 19, arriving in late 2027.

Young also predicted technical changes to the iPhone 17 range, including a move from low-temperature polysilicon (LTPS) to low-temperature polycrystalline oxide (LTPO) across all models in 2025. Since the iPhone 14 Pro, the LTPO display is what allows the Pro models to have an always-on display while preserving battery life.

Young sticks by his prediction that all models of the iPhone 17, expected in the fall of 2025, will use an LTPO backplane. This suggests the "always-on" feature will become standard across all models.

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9secondkox2

Every year, same rumor, same delay story. 

victormortimer

Just put the bezel back.

libertyandfree

 I really do not care if we ever get an under display FaceID with a pinhole or we just continue with the notch.  The notch has zero impact upon me at all and somehow a pinhole in the screen is not going to be a concern for those who dislike the notch.  People that dislike the notch will also dislike the pinhole. 

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charlesn

libertyandfree said:

 I really do not care if we ever get an under display FaceID with a pinhole or we just continue with the notch.  The notch has zero impact upon me at all and somehow a pinhole in the screen is not going to be a concern for those who dislike the notch.  People that dislike the notch will also dislike the pinhole. 

Ummm... you realize the notch is gone, right? Replaced by "Dynamic Island," which is destined to join the dustbin of Apple history with other interface ideas that never gained significant support or traction ... 3D Touch, Touch Bar, etc. Personally, I found the notch less visually intrusive than the Island because the notch was at least integrated with the screen bezels. I'd never switch to Android, but I do admire the uninterrupted screen space of Samsung and Pixel phones.

xed

charlesn said:

libertyandfree said:

 I really do not care if we ever get an under display FaceID with a pinhole or we just continue with the notch.  The notch has zero impact upon me at all and somehow a pinhole in the screen is not going to be a concern for those who dislike the notch.  People that dislike the notch will also dislike the pinhole. 

Ummm... you realize the notch is gone, right? Replaced by "Dynamic Island," which is destined to join the dustbin of Apple history with other interface ideas that never gained significant support or traction ... 3D Touch, Touch Bar, etc. Personally, I found the notch less visually intrusive than the Island because the notch was at least integrated with the screen bezels. I'd never switch to Android, but I do admire the uninterrupted screen space of Samsung and Pixel phones.

Huh?! For starters, in what way do you think it hasn't gained traction? Because people aren't talking about it? You don't think that could also mean that it's so well integrated that there's nothing to talk about?

Then you sayiDynamic Island is more visually intrusive than the notch. Well of course it is! The whole fucking point is that it's dynamically changing what it shows the user based on how the device is being utilized.

Personally I'd love for it to get more sophisticated with the next version of iOS.

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bushman4

Not going to happen. If Apple wanted to boost sales they would do it now, 

We've heard this story for years

40domi

charlesn said:

libertyandfree said:

 I really do not care if we ever get an under display FaceID with a pinhole or we just continue with the notch.  The notch has zero impact upon me at all and somehow a pinhole in the screen is not going to be a concern for those who dislike the notch.  People that dislike the notch will also dislike the pinhole. 

Ummm... you realize the notch is gone, right? Replaced by "Dynamic Island," which is destined to join the dustbin of Apple history with other interface ideas that never gained significant support or traction ... 3D Touch, Touch Bar, etc. Personally, I found the notch less visually intrusive than the Island because the notch was at least integrated with the screen bezels. I'd never switch to Android, but I do admire the uninterrupted screen space of Samsung and Pixel phones.

How exactly is the space uninterrupted with a pin hole?

40domi

It's amazing how many people simply don't realise the DI is in the shape of an "i" sideways, it's iconic, instantly recognisable and a 100 x more useful than a punch hole.
Personally I don't want a punch hole, that does nothing, making the iPhone look exactly like every other ANDROID.

nubus

bushman4 said:

If Apple wanted to boost sales they would do it now, 

Why wouldn't Apple want to boost sales right now? Did Cook really plan to sidetrack Apple on a car and let Microsoft become the most valuable company? Was he angry on EU for forcing a minor update to iPhone 15 with USB C after he succeeded in keeping iPhone 12/13/14 the same?

Cook is penny-pinching but he is not running a socialist enterprise. He would love to boost sales but he can't. Michael Dell suggested that Apple should give shareholders their money back. Cook is doing exactly that.

kierkegaarden

I like the Dynamic Island, and I don’t think it is going anywhere until they remove it completely.  My guess is that the 2027 model will be the first big shift from where we are now.

jdw

I purchased an iPhone 15 Pro Max because my last iPhone was the iPhone 7.  Unlike most of you, I'm frugal. :-) And no arguments about "security" will dissuade my wallet from doing as I have been doing.  But I made a commitment to myself not to buy another iPhone until the notch is gone.  It's 2024 and tech is still advancing.  So by the time I need a new iPhone, I think it's only fair that we have such advancements to eliminate the need for the unsightly notch.  Meaning, the same or better functionality we have today, yet with no visible notch.  And if that doesn't happen until 2027, that's okay.  I tend to hold on to my iPhones for a long time.  I paid Apple to swap the battery on my iPhone 7 once, so I probably would do the same on my iPhone 15 Pro Max.  Although I am now using the 80% charge limit setting, so maybe my battery will last more years than my iPhone 7 battery did.

ralphie

Just get under screen Touch ID like everyone else.

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xed

ralphie said:

Just get under screen Touch ID like everyone else.

No one has under screen Touch ID.

darren mccoy

I really don't care.

gatorguy

Xed said:

ralphie said:

Just get under screen Touch ID like everyone else.

No one has under screen Touch ID.

Under-screen Touch ID is common. What they don't have is under-screen Face ID, which is what this article is about. 

The biometrically secure feature should be coming to Android phones next year, not impossible for late this year, courtesy of Trinamix and Qualcomm. Apple integrating the same feature in at least their 2025 iPhone Pro line would not be any shock to me (and yes I understand that the phone design is already locked in place), with 2026 a sure thing if some Android phones already have it.  

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xed

gatorguy said:

Xed said:

ralphie said:

Just get under screen Touch ID like everyone else.

No one has under screen Touch ID.

Under-screen Touch ID is common. What they don't have is under-screen Face ID, which is what this article is about. 

The biometrically secure feature should be coming to Android phones next year, not impossible for late this year, courtesy of Trinamix and Qualcomm. Apple integrating the same feature in at least their 2025 iPhone Pro line would not be any shock to me (and yes I understand that the phone design is already locked in place), with 2026 a sure thing if some Android phones already have it.  

No, it's not. There have been rumors of Apple coming out with under screen Touch ID for many years but it still hasn't happened.

If you disagree then by all means show me evidence of a single iPhone or iPad on the market that has it and I'll gladly acknowledge that I'm wrong.

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chasm

charlesn said:

Ummm... you realize the notch is gone, right? Replaced by "Dynamic Island," which is destined to join the dustbin of Apple history with other interface ideas that never gained significant support or traction ... 3D Touch, Touch Bar, etc.

The "notch" is only gone on the latest models, not on previous models. I have an iPhone 12 and I assure you the notch is still there. A friend has an iPhone 13 and sure enough, notch. These are not ancient iPhones.

PS. Given that the later models have to have a "pill" area for the cameras, the Dynamic Island is an unbelievably clever way of making it ever more useful. Most iPhone owners I have spoken to who have the current models seem to love it, especially once they learn what they can do with it via live activities.

m68000

bushman4 said:

Not going to happen. If Apple wanted to boost sales they would do it now, 

We've heard this story for years

I sincerely doubt getting rid if the notch and dynamic island will have much impact
on sales volume.  Most people will still upgrade on their own schedule or installment plan they have,  not on a whim.   I’m really thinking about getting an iPhone 15 and think the dynamic island is no worse than the notch and may even be better.

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xed

chasm said:

charlesn said:

Ummm... you realize the notch is gone, right? Replaced by "Dynamic Island," which is destined to join the dustbin of Apple history with other interface ideas that never gained significant support or traction ... 3D Touch, Touch Bar, etc.

The "notch" is only gone on the latest models, not on previous models. I have an iPhone 12 and I assure you the notch is still there. A friend has an iPhone 13 and sure enough, notch. These are not ancient iPhones.

PS. Given that the later models have to have a "pill" area for the cameras, the Dynamic Island is an unbelievably clever way of making it ever more useful. Most iPhone owners I have spoken to who have the current models seem to love it, especially once they learn what they can do with it via live activities.

His comment made no mention of iPhones that debuted as new many years ago. It would be like saying that Apple now has Retina displays on their iPhone and someone saying that the original iPhone didn't just cease to exist. His point is that if you holding out for a new iPhone without a"notch" Apple has plenty of options with Dynamic Island.

bonobob

Xed said:

charlesn said:

libertyandfree said:

 I really do not care if we ever get an under display FaceID with a pinhole or we just continue with the notch.  The notch has zero impact upon me at all and somehow a pinhole in the screen is not going to be a concern for those who dislike the notch.  People that dislike the notch will also dislike the pinhole. 

Ummm... you realize the notch is gone, right? Replaced by "Dynamic Island," which is destined to join the dustbin of Apple history with other interface ideas that never gained significant support or traction ... 3D Touch, Touch Bar, etc. Personally, I found the notch less visually intrusive than the Island because the notch was at least integrated with the screen bezels. I'd never switch to Android, but I do admire the uninterrupted screen space of Samsung and Pixel phones.

Huh?! For starters, in what way do you think it hasn't gained traction? Because people aren't talking about it? You don't think that could also mean that it's so well integrated that there's nothing to talk about?

Then you sayiDynamic Island is more visually intrusive than the notch. Well of course it is! The whole fucking point is that it's dynamically changing what it shows the user based on how the device is being utilized.

Personally I'd love for it to get more sophisticated with the next version of iOS.

It would be less intrusive as a Dynamic Notch (Peninsula?), and would waste less screen space.