Glued iPhone batteries may be a thing of the past, if this new tech works out

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Apple is reportedly testing ways to make it a lot easier for users to remove the glue holding down the battery in the iPhone, with a report suggesting the new tech may arrive as soon as the iPhone 16.

Hands carefully removing a lithium-ion battery from the interior of a smartphone, revealing its internal components.
Pulling a battery out of an iPhone



Like many mobile devices, the battery in the iPhone is a very difficult to service element. In the majority of cases, owners have to submit their iPhones to Apple or authorized repair centers to switch a worn battery for a new one.

With a large amount of components to remove to access it, as well as adhesives, the battery is quite difficult to replace normally. A user can do so via a self-service repair, but that still requires the rental of specialized tools from Apple itself.

Now, Apple is reportedly preparing to make replacement of the battery a bit easier for consumers. According to five people involved in the manufacturing process speaking to The Information, it may arrive with the iPhone 16 in at least one model.

If successful, it could also be rolled out to all iPhone 17 models.

The proposed change could make things easier, but not by much. After device disassembly, the current process of extracting the battery involves using tweezers to pull on adhesive strips. To add the new battery, a machine and tray is used.

The new version is called electrically-induced adhesive debonding, which involves encasing the battery in metal instead of foil. Using electricity, the battery can be dislodged from the chassis very quickly.

It is still a far cry from smartphones of yesteryear, which allowed users to easily remove the casing to grant them free access to the inside of the device, and the battery. It is thought that Apple will still be constructing the iPhone in a way that it will require specialist tools to take it apart, just like the current models.

Despite being easier, it seems likely that the process will only be accessible to customers well-versed in electronics, and are confident to perform their own repairs.

A regulatory pressure



Apple's work on the technology may have been prompted by regulators attempting to force tech companies into making their hardware more repairable by home users.

In July 2023, the European Council approved regulations to ensure that batteries in many different product categories are replaceable by users. This impacts the iPhone, along with other hardware like electric bike batteries and those used for industrial applications.

While that may be interpreted by some to mean an accessible battery door, but the rule doesn't specify it has to be easy to access. It does say that it can be removed using "commercially available tools," though specialized tools could be used if they are provided free of charge.

In June, Apple announced it was going to expand its Self Service Repair program to a total of 32 European countries, with Canada added in 2025.

Depending on how Apple operates its Self Service Repair program in Europe, this could be enough to meet the requirements of the regulation.

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  • Reply 1 of 21
    A simple fastener will do.
    JBKgrandact73VictorMortimer
  • Reply 2 of 21
    XedXed Posts: 2,823member
    A simple fastener will do.
    That will work, but it also means the battery will need to have some sort of encasement or frame that will allow for a fastener to hold it. The benefit of the adhesive strips is that they are strong yet thin and lightweight. I don't think simply sandwiching the power source between other components is good enough from a safety perspective.
    tmayAlex1Nwatto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 21
    AfarstarAfarstar Posts: 71member
    A simple fastener will do.
    Like Velcro?
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 21
    A simple fastener will do.
    Yep.  Glued batteries are and have always been incredibly stupid.

    One thing I always do when replacing a glued battery is to stick it to my jeans a few times before installing it, reducing the glue adhesion.  It makes it much easier to remove the next time.
  • Reply 5 of 21
    Glued batteries are MORONIC. I had to replace the battery in my husband's Macbook Pro and when I looked at the steps and it was over 50, I paid someone $250 to fix something I could've done MYSELF on any other computer. It's infuriating and there's NO good reason for it. Not a single one. I hope the EU forces them to stop doing this under right to repair laws and regulations. Replacing a non-glued in battery takes 10 minutes.

    And yes, Velcro could work amazingly well but is probably too thick unless they use ultra thin velcro. 
    VictorMortimerwilliamlondon
  • Reply 6 of 21
    davidwdavidw Posts: 2,105member
    There is a reason why the battery in iPhones and iPads are "glued" down, that most here don't seem to realize. That is that the adhesive, which covers the whole backside of the battery, acts like thermal paste to help transfer the heat from the battery to the metal back cover. The back cover acts as a heat sink. Just like how thermal paste is applied between a CPU and the heat sink, to ensure as much contact as possible.

    There is also a very small gap, (at least on the ones I've replaced), between the top of the battery and the screen on top of it. This acts as a insulator to keep as much heat away from the back of the screen and more importantly, to provide enough space for normal expansion of the  battery when it heats up. Therefore, one do not want that expansion gap between the battery and the back cover or any gap there at all, caused by just putting a small amount of adhesive on the corners of the battery (to hold it down) so that it can be easily removed later.

    And if possible, when replacing the battery, one shouldn't just use any double sided tape but heat sink double side tape (they sell such a thing) when bonding the battery to the back cover. And the tape should cover the whole battery to ensure a complete bond. The very last thing one want to do is to use any adhesive that ends up acting like an insulator. (Which is why velcro is a no-no.)
     
    https://www.amazon.com/25Mx20mmx0-15mm-Adhesive-Performance-Thermally-Heatsink/dp/B0751GYD6N /ref=sr_1_2?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.vuZ8wI-bHDxR-RnUCevX5nGN1r9HBmsOSpS0LmTCCj28eheGdWn-TftGSY5q35FRGB5oFvliVoFrEmHIro_UXYt7bLobmGg_L7scdtbsdE9N1pGuS96deJ5EzMuV7XUuo1syF_WxRA2jf1biKPkjTjiO-4oKr0fVYjxsvufpKPVGUbfz9QFQp6FwGRvgf9geH1c7Pjx9G5rfDYf-qHY2QNYuhKcv3DZgq0U21IWZxL0.eepM9THFhEfI7AZ6NcEfXDhnFm6XHmwpM6kbCB31seM&dib_tag=se&keywords=double+sided+thermal+tape&qid=1719535955&sr=8-2

    One shouldn't be accusing Apple of unnecessarily making it difficult to replace the battery. But Apple do have a habit of over engineering a fix to a problem, where the fix might cause more of the problem later on, than the problem being fixed. 

    I just use a hairdryer to heat the back cover for about 30 seconds, to soften the adhesive and battery can be easily pried off. But it still requires the battery to bend quite a bit (when being pried out.) and therefore, I would never use that battery again in another device. Don't know what internal damage could have been caused by the bending.  Which is why I don't buy used iPhone or iPad batteries, even if the seller say that it's in excellent health. No telling how much bending occurred when it was removed.
    edited June 27 ForumPostbeowulfschmidthmlongcostompyhammeroftruthAlex1Nbluefire1watto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 21
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 5,919member
    Command strips would work great for securing in the battery. It's also easily removable and replacable without damaging the battery while removing it. Flat out glue is a very bad decision. 
  • Reply 8 of 21
    macxpress said:
    Command strips would work great for securing in the battery. It's also easily removable and replacable without damaging the battery while removing it. Flat out glue is a very bad decision. 

    Clips would work great.  There is ZERO excuse for using the garbage they use, which is essentially a very thin "command strip" type strip (that breaks virtually every time you try to pull it out.

    davidw said:
    There is a reason why the battery in iPhones and iPads are "glued" down, that most here don't seem to realize. That is that the adhesive, which covers the whole backside of the battery, acts like thermal paste to help transfer the heat from the battery to the metal back cover. The back cover acts as a heat sink. Just like how thermal paste is applied between a CPU and the heat sink, to ensure as much contact as possible.

    There is also a very small gap, (at least on the ones I've replaced), between the top of the battery and the screen on top of it. This acts as a insulator to keep as much heat away from the back of the screen and more importantly, to provide enough space for normal expansion of the  battery when it heats up. Therefore, one do not want that expansion gap between the battery and the back cover or any gap there at all, caused by just putting a small amount of adhesive on the corners of the battery (to hold it down) so that it can be easily removed later.

    And if possible, when replacing the battery, one shouldn't just use any double sided tape but heat sink double side tape (they sell such a thing) when bonding the battery to the back cover. And the tape should cover the whole battery to ensure a complete bond. The very last thing one want to do is to use any adhesive that ends up acting like an insulator. (Which is why velcro is a no-no.)
     
    https://www.amazon.com/25Mx20mmx0-15mm-Adhesive-Performance-Thermally-Heatsink/dp/B0751GYD6N /ref=sr_1_2?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.vuZ8wI-bHDxR-RnUCevX5nGN1r9HBmsOSpS0LmTCCj28eheGdWn-TftGSY5q35FRGB5oFvliVoFrEmHIro_UXYt7bLobmGg_L7scdtbsdE9N1pGuS96deJ5EzMuV7XUuo1syF_WxRA2jf1biKPkjTjiO-4oKr0fVYjxsvufpKPVGUbfz9QFQp6FwGRvgf9geH1c7Pjx9G5rfDYf-qHY2QNYuhKcv3DZgq0U21IWZxL0.eepM9THFhEfI7AZ6NcEfXDhnFm6XHmwpM6kbCB31seM&dib_tag=se&keywords=double+sided+thermal+tape&qid=1719535955&sr=8-2

    One shouldn't be accusing Apple of unnecessarily making it difficult to replace the battery. But Apple do have a habit of over engineering a fix to a problem, where the fix might cause more of the problem later on, than the problem being fixed. 

    I just use a hairdryer to heat the back cover for about 30 seconds, to soften the adhesive and battery can be easily pried off. But it still requires the battery to bend quite a bit (when being pried out.) and therefore, I would never use that battery again in another device. Don't know what internal damage could have been caused by the bending.  Which is why I don't buy used iPhone or iPad batteries, even if the seller say that it's in excellent health. No telling how much bending occurred when it was removed.
    Virtually everything about this is wrong.

    First, you DO NOT want the battery to be thermally coupled to a heat sink that is also the heat sink for the CPU.  The battery would get HOTTER because of it.

    Fortunately, the back cover is not a heat sink in current iPhones, it's made of glass, which isn't that great at thermal conduction, particularly compared to the aluminum they used to use. 

    And one should absolutely be accusing Apple of unnecessarily making it difficult to replace the battery, because that is exactly what they are doing.

    Heat is the WRONG option for removing the adhesive.  Squirt a bit of 91% isopropyl alcohol in there, you'll be able to remove the battery undamaged.

    But adhesive of ANY kind is doing it wrong.  Small metal clips with screws would be the perfect attachment for batteries like Apple uses, but that's ALSO the wrong approach, because batteries should be easily swappable without tools, like they were on older phones.  Changing the battery on my old Motorola flip phones took seconds, I kept spare batteries charging so I never had to worry about charging the phone itself, I just changed to a fully charged battery.  THAT is what Apple should be doing.
    avon b7
  • Reply 9 of 21
    hexclockhexclock Posts: 1,305member
    Afarstar said:
    A simple fastener will do.
    Like Velcro?
    Alien Tape. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 21
    XedXed Posts: 2,823member
    hexclock said:
    Afarstar said:
    A simple fastener will do.
    Like Velcro?
    Alien Tape. 
    Vulcan technology.
    hexclockwatto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 21
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,976member
    Adhesive, as currently used, is not the answer.

    Going from 'very difficult to replace' to 'a bit easier', definitely won't cut it in the EU if the rule of consumer replacement using everyday tools is applied to iPhones.

    Repairability wasn't a consideration when adhesives were introduced. That aspect needs to be tackled with new thinking. It's not difficult. 


    MplsP
  • Reply 12 of 21
    davidwdavidw Posts: 2,105member
    macxpress said:
    Command strips would work great for securing in the battery. It's also easily removable and replacable without damaging the battery while removing it. Flat out glue is a very bad decision. 

    Clips would work great.  There is ZERO excuse for using the garbage they use, which is essentially a very thin "command strip" type strip (that breaks virtually every time you try to pull it out.

    davidw said:
    There is a reason why the battery in iPhones and iPads are "glued" down, that most here don't seem to realize. That is that the adhesive, which covers the whole backside of the battery, acts like thermal paste to help transfer the heat from the battery to the metal back cover. The back cover acts as a heat sink. Just like how thermal paste is applied between a CPU and the heat sink, to ensure as much contact as possible.

    There is also a very small gap, (at least on the ones I've replaced), between the top of the battery and the screen on top of it. This acts as a insulator to keep as much heat away from the back of the screen and more importantly, to provide enough space for normal expansion of the  battery when it heats up. Therefore, one do not want that expansion gap between the battery and the back cover or any gap there at all, caused by just putting a small amount of adhesive on the corners of the battery (to hold it down) so that it can be easily removed later.

    And if possible, when replacing the battery, one shouldn't just use any double sided tape but heat sink double side tape (they sell such a thing) when bonding the battery to the back cover. And the tape should cover the whole battery to ensure a complete bond. The very last thing one want to do is to use any adhesive that ends up acting like an insulator. (Which is why velcro is a no-no.)
     
    https://www.amazon.com/25Mx20mmx0-15mm-Adhesive-Performance-Thermally-Heatsink/dp/B0751GYD6N /ref=sr_1_2?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.vuZ8wI-bHDxR-RnUCevX5nGN1r9HBmsOSpS0LmTCCj28eheGdWn-TftGSY5q35FRGB5oFvliVoFrEmHIro_UXYt7bLobmGg_L7scdtbsdE9N1pGuS96deJ5EzMuV7XUuo1syF_WxRA2jf1biKPkjTjiO-4oKr0fVYjxsvufpKPVGUbfz9QFQp6FwGRvgf9geH1c7Pjx9G5rfDYf-qHY2QNYuhKcv3DZgq0U21IWZxL0.eepM9THFhEfI7AZ6NcEfXDhnFm6XHmwpM6kbCB31seM&dib_tag=se&keywords=double+sided+thermal+tape&qid=1719535955&sr=8-2

    One shouldn't be accusing Apple of unnecessarily making it difficult to replace the battery. But Apple do have a habit of over engineering a fix to a problem, where the fix might cause more of the problem later on, than the problem being fixed. 

    I just use a hairdryer to heat the back cover for about 30 seconds, to soften the adhesive and battery can be easily pried off. But it still requires the battery to bend quite a bit (when being pried out.) and therefore, I would never use that battery again in another device. Don't know what internal damage could have been caused by the bending.  Which is why I don't buy used iPhone or iPad batteries, even if the seller say that it's in excellent health. No telling how much bending occurred when it was removed.
    Virtually everything about this is wrong.

    First, you DO NOT want the battery to be thermally coupled to a heat sink that is also the heat sink for the CPU.  The battery would get HOTTER because of it.

    Fortunately, the back cover is not a heat sink in current iPhones, it's made of glass, which isn't that great at thermal conduction, particularly compared to the aluminum they used to use. 

    And one should absolutely be accusing Apple of unnecessarily making it difficult to replace the battery, because that is exactly what they are doing.

    Heat is the WRONG option for removing the adhesive.  Squirt a bit of 91% isopropyl alcohol in there, you'll be able to remove the battery undamaged.

    But adhesive of ANY kind is doing it wrong.  Small metal clips with screws would be the perfect attachment for batteries like Apple uses, but that's ALSO the wrong approach, because batteries should be easily swappable without tools, like they were on older phones.  Changing the battery on my old Motorola flip phones took seconds, I kept spare batteries charging so I never had to worry about charging the phone itself, I just changed to a fully charged battery.  THAT is what Apple should be doing.

    If the heat sink can can stay cooler than both the battery and CPU, combined, then the battery will not get hotter because of the CPU is also being cooled by the same heat sink. And AFAIK, the CPU in an iPhone and iPad, is not thermally coupled to the back case. The exposed surface of the CPU faces up toward the back of the screen. And if it was, you would be contradicting yourself. If the back of an iPhone can not be used as a heat sink, then why would Apple couple the CPU to it?

    Glass can be used as a heat sink. Why do you think windows need to be double pane with an air gap in-between, in order for it to insulate? For sure it's not as good of a conductor of heat than metal, but it still transfer heat better than still air. A heat sink is nothing but a device that helps transfer heat from a hotter area to a cooler area by way of conduction. Just because it's not metal doesn't mean that glass can not act as a heat sink. And the "glass" back of an iPhone is made by corning. The same company that makes "glass" oven and stove top cookware. Why would they make cookware out of their "glass", if their glass is that poor of a conductor of heat?  If the case of an iPhone, be it made of metal or glass is not useful as a heat sink, then why might external cases made of heat insulating material, cause an iPhone to over heat? You see any fan or air holes in an iPhone? ( The speakers holes don't count as they are covered by the speaker from the inside. and An iPhone wouldn't get the high water resistance rating it has.) If not, then the only way to disapate the heat from inside an iPhone to the outside, is by conduction through the case. That's makes the case a heat sink. Unfortunately, metal is a poor conductor of magetic wave and Apple had to start using "glass", in order to have magnetic charging.  

    So you're telling us that the best way to remove the battery glued down in an iPhone, is to squirt some 91% isopropyl alcohol into the back casing. Just how much alcohol have to be squirted, in order to soften the all adhesive holding down the battery, when the battery is stil glued down on its whole back side? Quite a bit I imagine. And is this done with or without the logic board, camera, antennae, docking/charging board and all the other internal componets that don't need to be removed in order to remove the battery, still attached to the case? And since it's only 91% alcohol, how do you get rid of the 9% water that won't easliy evaporate. Use a hair dryer?  And aren't you afraid of leaving a film inside the back camera lens, if some alcohol were to accidentally seep in there? Now isoprpyl alcohol is good for removing the adhesive that still remains after the battery is removed. But one don't need to squirt it in there. Using a small tissue soaked in the alcohol will do.

    Now Apple using the adhesive tape that is easily removed by using a tweezer to pull on the exposed tabs works quit well, when the tape don't break off while its being pulled. Which for me, is more often than not. One don't even need to use alcohol to remove any left over adhesive, once the battery is removed.



     


    watto_cobra
  • Reply 13 of 21
    tundraboytundraboy Posts: 1,908member
    Here are your choices with respect to smartphone design:  Compact, Powerful, User Serviceable - Choose 2.  
    edited June 30 watto_cobra
  • Reply 14 of 21
    tundraboytundraboy Posts: 1,908member
    VictorMortimer said:

     Changing the battery on my old Motorola flip phones took seconds, I kept spare batteries charging so I never had to worry about charging the phone itself, I just changed to a fully charged battery.  THAT is what Apple should be doing.
    So how do you make a Razr-style switchable battery that is still just as moisture and water-proof and does not take up a lot of volume that would have been used for circuitry and other internal components?  People forget that space is at such a premium in smartphones, then they demand solutions that would have rendered the iPhone undesirable and uncompetitive if Apple adopts it but their competitors don't.

    Throughout its evolution, electronic devices have kept moving towards solid state components.  Eventually phones will just be 3 solid blocks of screen, circuitry, and battery, housed inside a waterproof case. Or at the extreme, maybe even just one block containing all three.  People who demand user repairability will be frothing at the mouth when that day comes.



    edited June 30 williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 21
    thttht Posts: 5,619member
    davidw said:
    If the heat sink can can stay cooler than both the battery and CPU, combined, then the battery will not get hotter because of the CPU is also being cooled by the same heat sink. And AFAIK, the CPU in an iPhone and iPad, is not thermally coupled to the back case. The exposed surface of the CPU faces up toward the back of the screen. And if it was, you would be contradicting yourself. If the back of an iPhone can not be used as a heat sink, then why would Apple couple the CPU to it?
    Try to think it through some more. You should not put the battery and the SoC on the same heat-spreader. 

    In a passive system, heat always goes from the hot side to the cold side. Just continually repeat that in your head. The SoC can hit 200 °F before being down-clocked and decreasing performance until its temperature doesn't go higher than this typical chip limit of somewhere around that temperature. That heat will flow to the colder the parts of device.

    By bridging the battery to the SoC attached heat-spreader, the SoC will heat up of the battery faster, even if the heat-spreader is bridged to a cooler glass back or display, and you don't want the battery to be heated. As long as the SoC is the hottest component in the device, its heat will flow to all components in the device that is cooler. The heat-spreader acts as an efficient way to do that and will cause anything directly attached to the heat-spreader to heat up faster.

    What Apple does is to use heat-spreaders - graphene-copper tape, some with aluminum substrates - to spread out the heat as much as possible. The batteries are often thermally isolated from the heat-spreaders as much as possible and they are often the last component in the heat transfer process before hitting the outside air.

    There are very good reasons to glue batteries to the metal substrates in these devices, but Apple doesn't use these metal substrates as heat-spreaders. They use graphene/copper tape or graphene/copper tape on top of a metal substrate.
    MplsPmuthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 16 of 21
    thttht Posts: 5,619member

    avon b7 said:
    Adhesive, as currently used, is not the answer.

    Going from 'very difficult to replace' to 'a bit easier', definitely won't cut it in the EU if the rule of consumer replacement using everyday tools is applied to iPhones.

    Repairability wasn't a consideration when adhesives were introduced. That aspect needs to be tackled with new thinking. It's not difficult. 
    As with all engineering, it involves trades. My speculation is that batteries in these devices are typically glued because it increases the reliability of the battery. The adhesive spreads stresses that act on the device across a wide and more evenly distributed area of the battery. This eliminates any point stresses on the battery and thereby increases the batteries' lifetime.

    Other solutions to involve making higher expense; thicker & heavier devices, such as a metal brace; a lot of bolts; or can't be made as reliable as glue.

    Apple has no problems using screws or bolts. There are many of them in an iPhone, with virtually all components bolted down. The camera modules, the PCB boards, ports, speakers, etc. It's really the batteries and various tapes/shields that are glued. There is a reason for that, and it is likely to increase the reliability of the battery, imo.

    For a while, I was thinking that they will design devices with structural batteries, where the metal case or structural metal parts become integral parts of the battery. This minimizes weight, volume, and increases the structural rigidity and robustness of the battery. Like on iPads and MacBooks, the aluminum case is part of the battery and you would have to change out that part of the case to change out of the battery.

    This patent, with metal encased batteries where they are bonded to the devices carrier structure, is an interesting in-between?

    The Watch batteries were the first usage of metal encased batteries in Apple products. I've thought the reason for that is the Watch gets the most abuse, and therefore drove the need for more reliable batteries first. Haven't taken the step of making the battery and the case one part though.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 17 of 21
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 4,006member
    tundraboy said:
    Here are your choices with respect to smartphone design:  Compact, Powerful, User Serviceable - Choose 2.  
    Or apply some engineering and get all 3
    williamlondonavon b7muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 18 of 21
    longfanglongfang Posts: 513member
    MplsP said:
    tundraboy said:
    Here are your choices with respect to smartphone design:  Compact, Powerful, User Serviceable - Choose 2.  
    Or apply some engineering and get all 3
    Or not. The 1st 2 are enough for me. I’ll user service my broken devices by getting a new one. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 19 of 21
    paraeekerparaeeker Posts: 76member
    Laser milled aluminum shells for MBPs and glued batteries? Yeah right.

    If they really wanted to, they would have replaced adhesives already. They haven’t because they don’t really want to. Adhesives are fast and cheap in production. They don’t care about the fraction of a percent of devices that require servicing. It’s all about the replacement cycle not the repair and reuse cycles. 
  • Reply 20 of 21
    MplsP said:
    tundraboy said:
    Here are your choices with respect to smartphone design:  Compact, Powerful, User Serviceable - Choose 2.  
    Or apply some engineering and get all 3
    The original comment made me think of the Devil’s Triangle in software engineering:

    flexible, performant, cheap - pick 2. 
    Engineering is about managing trade-offs and choosing solutions for both their pros and cons.  As much as we would like, we can’t have it all. When you have 3 different characteristics that are connected but have an almost inverse relationship, something has to give.
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