Apple Intelligence will come to an M5-powered Apple Vision Pro

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in Apple Vision Pro edited September 27

Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo claims that Apple Intelligence will be the chief selling point of an M5-based Apple Vision Pro, and also that little else will change from the current model.

VR headset with head strap, charger, and protective cover, laid out on a black surface.
Apple Vision Pro



While most recent rumors regarding the future of Apple's headset have concentrated on plans for a lower-cost Apple Vision version, it has also been obvious that there would be future versions of the Apple Vision Pro. It's also been obvious that such a future version would use a newer processor than the M2 in the current generation, but Ming-Chi Kuo now specifies that it will be the M5.

AI spatial computing to be the main selling point for new M5-powered Vision Pro; new Apple suppliers like Zhaowei in focushttps://t.co/FPX2dYgmX1

-- (Ming-Chi Kuo) (@mingchikuo)



In his full blog post, Kuo says that the new M5-powered Vision Pro is expected to enter mass production in the second half of 2025. Kuo appears to be basing this less on specific supply chain information, though, and more on his own extrapolation of what rumors there are.

He is also strongly assuming that Apple Intelligence will not only be included in the new Apple Vision Pro, but will also fix what he sees as problems with the current model.

"The biggest design challenge for Vision Pro/head-mounted display devices is that the human-machine user interface needs to be more intuitive and efficient," he writes. "Apple Intelligence/GenAI is expected to improve this significantly."

"Combining eye tracking, gesture control, and Apple Intelligence should provide a better user experience for spatial computing," he continues.

"In particular, if the M5 Vision Pro can integrate something like OpenAI's Sora, it may elevate the user experience of the head-mounted display device to unimaginable levels," continues Kuo. "The impact of text-to-video AI models on the head-mounted display device experience will likely be more impressive than on existing mainstream consumer electronics."

It's not really clear how he thinks AI will improve matters, nor really why he believes it's needed. In a piece disparaging Apple for the lack of Apple Vision Pro content, AppleInsider still said that "the software can feel magical at times, and it makes using apps feel intuitive and whimsical."

Kuo says that "other hardware specs and designs won't change much, which should help lower costs and price points." However, he also claims that the price "may not change much."

Previous rumors have claimed that an updated Apple Vision Pro would be released in 2026. One sketchy report also said it would cost half the price of the current version.


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  • Reply 1 of 21
    Sucks if you bought the first one. As always.
    williamlondon9secondkox2byronlwatto_cobra
  • Reply 2 of 21
    michelb76 said:
    Sucks if you bought the first one. As always.
    I would hope you will be able to trade up for a new model. Traded in my series 9 Watch for series 10 and received $170.
    williamlondonbyronlwatto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 21
    harrykatsarosharrykatsaros Posts: 89unconfirmed, member
    They need bigger screens. I returned mine because it felt like I was looking through binoculars the whole time with a black line down the middle of my face. This doesn’t happen with my Quest 3, which does in fact use substantially larger screens. A conversational AI, like what OpenAI has at the moment, is going to be a game changer for the entire product category. It will revolutionise how users navigate the UI and input data. 
    edited September 27 williamlondon
  • Reply 4 of 21
    PemaPema Posts: 122member
    I venture that Ming-Chi Kuo is a resident of Apple Park and he/she leaks info that Apple wants to tease the market with. 

    If I am right then I would be telling Ming-Chi to forget Vision Pro M5. The intelligent thing is to let this product go. There really isn't a vast commercial market for any mixed realty headset, regardless of how well they are made. Phones, AirPods, iPads, Watches, MacBooks sure they are everyday products that sell in the millions each year. 
    I don't see mass market appeal for a product you wear on your face unless you are working in a lab or in some order dedicated professional setting where a mixed reality headset makes perfect sense. 
    Maybe, and this is a Hail Mary maybe, if mixed reality headsets became a thing around the house and folks got rid of their telly. In which case you would have a family of 4 or more sitting around looking like aliens and watching movies in a greatly enhanced experience. 
    But, the movie studios, streamers and WiFi carriers would have to be on board. Otherwise it would be the demise of the 3D cinema all over again. 
    Something to cogitate over. 

  • Reply 5 of 21
    M5 will make this an unbeatable performing headset for years but like you guys mentioned if content doesn’t increase what is the point. Question to the chat: how is steam vr coming along as a native port?
    williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 21
    Prior to mass production, does Apple get advanced copies in limited numbers of future chips? Does Apple have its hands on an M5 right now?
    apple4thewinwatto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 21
    Prior to mass production, does Apple get advanced copies in limited numbers of future chips? Does Apple have its hands on an M5 right now?

    for sure to test the chip in performance and efficiency along with software and hardware development for sizing, thermal management, and among other things. I won’t be surprised if they have m6 in initial stages of development 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 21
    Hopefully they will offer a generous trade in to reward early AVP adopters whose headsets would lose all their resale value.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 21
    JamesCude said:
    Hopefully they will offer a generous trade in to reward early AVP adopters whose headsets would lose all their resale value.
    $1000 for 1tb $500 for 256gb and they will refurb price it for 2500. Jokes aside I agree they should but you never know 🤷🏻‍♂️
    dewmewatto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 21
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,301member
    Prior to mass production, does Apple get advanced copies in limited numbers of future chips? Does Apple have its hands on an M5 right now?

    If the M4 is selling to the public the M5 is probably finished and the design/engineering group is probably working on the M6 and M7 now they are probably two years ahead of whatever is currently released and the same probably applies to the R1 chip the next generation of that chip probably is finished too.
    mike1watto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 21
    danox said:
    Prior to mass production, does Apple get advanced copies in limited numbers of future chips? Does Apple have its hands on an M5 right now?

    If the M4 is selling to the public the M5 is probably finished and the design/engineering group is probably working on the M6 and M7 now they are probably two years ahead of whatever is currently released and the same probably applies to the R1 chip the next generation of that chip probably is finished too.
    Thanks. I remember back in the 80s when a news camera was allowed into Ford Motor Corp's top executive boardroom where they were making a decision that would determine their new cars coming 7 years in the future. I was amazed at 7 year plans.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 21
    As an owner of a Vision Pro, I think this is a ridiculous concept for a gen 2 device.  First of all, can they really not bring a decent level of Apple intelligence to the fairly newly released M2 powered device?  I mean, an iPhone 15 with an A series chip can handle Apple Intelligence and not an M2 powered Vision Pro which has 16 GB of RAM?  Give me a break!

    Also, the software/user interface isn't the issue.  It's truly an incredible piece of hardware, but the focus needs to be on cost cutting, weight reduction, increasing the field of view, and battery life, all while maintaining the current high resolution which makes the experience so special.  Personally, the first thing I'd axe would be the external displays.  They're so unnecessary and I'm sure they add a lot to the weight and price, while also draining system/battery resources.
    williamlondonmuthuk_vanalingamwatto_cobra
  • Reply 13 of 21
    Definitely looking forward to next generation Vision Pro. 
    williamlondon9secondkox2watto_cobra
  • Reply 14 of 21
    eriamjheriamjh Posts: 1,737member
    As an owner of a Vision Pro, I think this is a ridiculous concept for a gen 2 device.  First of all, can they really not bring a decent level of Apple intelligence to the fairly newly released M2 powered device?  I mean, an iPhone 15 with an A series chip can handle Apple Intelligence and not an M2 powered Vision Pro which has 16 GB of RAM?  Give me a break!

    Also, the software/user interface isn't the issue.  It's truly an incredible piece of hardware, but the focus needs to be on cost cutting, weight reduction, increasing the field of view, and battery life, all while maintaining the current high resolution which makes the experience so special.  Personally, the first thing I'd axe would be the external displays.  They're so unnecessary and I'm sure they add a lot to the weight and price, while also draining system/battery resources.
    The Vision Pro needs an M2 just to process the visual input and do the eye and gesture tracking.   There’s not enough left for the so-called AI features.   But the biggest thing the VP needs is a killer app.   Without it, it’s just a gimmicky computer.   
    williamlondon9secondkox2dewmewatto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 21
    Pema said:
    I venture that Ming-Chi Kuo is a resident of Apple Park and he/she leaks info that Apple wants to tease the market with. 

    If I am right then I would be telling Ming-Chi to forget Vision Pro M5. The intelligent thing is to let this product go. There really isn't a vast commercial market for any mixed realty headset, regardless of how well they are made. Phones, AirPods, iPads, Watches, MacBooks sure they are everyday products that sell in the millions each year. 
    I don't see mass market appeal for a product you wear on your face unless you are working in a lab or in some order dedicated professional setting where a mixed reality headset makes perfect sense. 
    Maybe, and this is a Hail Mary maybe, if mixed reality headsets became a thing around the house and folks got rid of their telly. In which case you would have a family of 4 or more sitting around looking like aliens and watching movies in a greatly enhanced experience. 
    But, the movie studios, streamers and WiFi carriers would have to be on board. Otherwise it would be the demise of the 3D cinema all over again. 
    Something to cogitate over. 

    That’s my theory on Agutman actually. 

    Apple has him leak some stuff, then leak disinformation, etc. to keep the public mindshare where apple wants it. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 16 of 21
    Was interested in an AVP initially but have gone off the idea. It’s another Newton 2000 (I had one!); a cool idea in theory but really overpriced, clunky and of limited use. For the price of a AVP you could buy an iPhone 16, an M3 MacBook Air and an Apple Watch 10, or a stunning 77” TV!
    williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 17 of 21
    eriamjh said:
    As an owner of a Vision Pro, I think this is a ridiculous concept for a gen 2 device.  First of all, can they really not bring a decent level of Apple intelligence to the fairly newly released M2 powered device?  I mean, an iPhone 15 with an A series chip can handle Apple Intelligence and not an M2 powered Vision Pro which has 16 GB of RAM?  Give me a break!

    Also, the software/user interface isn't the issue.  It's truly an incredible piece of hardware, but the focus needs to be on cost cutting, weight reduction, increasing the field of view, and battery life, all while maintaining the current high resolution which makes the experience so special.  Personally, the first thing I'd axe would be the external displays.  They're so unnecessary and I'm sure they add a lot to the weight and price, while also draining system/battery resources.
    The Vision Pro needs an M2 just to process the visual input and do the eye and gesture tracking.   There’s not enough left for the so-called AI features.   But the biggest thing the VP needs is a killer app.   Without it, it’s just a gimmicky computer.
    Sorry, but that’s not accurate. The AVP features a dual-chip design, per below.

    Also, I think we’re beyond “killer apps” as long as a device has overall utility and user value. What’s the “killer app” for all users on the iPad? For me, the best use case for the AVP thus far is as a media consumption device, especially while traveling, but different users may value other functionality more, just like on any device. 

    • M2 chip: Runs visionOS, advanced computer vision algorithms, and provides graphics. 
    • R1 chip: Processes input from cameras, sensors, and microphones to stream images to the displays. The R1 chip is designed to process input quickly to eliminate lag and provide a real-time view. 
     
    williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 18 of 21
    I love my current AVP and look forward to the combination of Apple Intelligence, which will be far more advanced, and an M5 AVP. Describing a virtual environment and having it created on the spot is not that far in the future.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 19 of 21
    Wow. That's a raw deal for all that bought the AVP 1st gen. I'm sure it can handle Apple Intelligence, but since they want to boost the 2nd gen sales, won't make it available to 1st gen customers.

    Apple is a great company with great products, but in the end, they're greedy as any other company on earth.
  • Reply 20 of 21
    michelb76 said:
    Sucks if you bought the first one. As always.
    Are you suggesting that the product never be improved in order to let the people who bought the 1st one feel better?
    watto_cobra
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