iPhone 17 Slim too thin for SIM tray, may not have mmWave

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in iPhone edited November 25

The iPhone 17 Slim won't have a SIM card tray because it is too thin to have one, and it probably won't have mmWave either.

Three smartphones in mid-air, featuring gold, white, and mint green colors with single rear cameras against a gradient background.
A render of what the iPhone 17 Slim could look like



The iPhone 17 Slim, also referred to as the iPhone 17 Air, is anticipated to be a very thin model of smartphone. Previous rumors have proposed it could be 6mm thick, which would make it an extremely narrow device.

Due to its size, compromises will have to be made for some components, such as the camera bump. However, it now seems that physical SIM cards could be ruled out entirely for the model.

According to sources of The Information, Apple won't be including a physical SIM card tray in the model. Prototypes haven't included one because engineers simply can't fit one into the body.

This means the iPhone 17 Slim will go on sale as an eSIM-only device.

A missing SIM tray won't be a bother for Apple's US users. Since the iPhone 14, Apple hasn't been selling iPhones in the United States with a physical SIM card tray, instead pushing users and carriers into embracing eSIM.

However, in other countries, Apple still sells iPhones with SIM card trays as well as eSIM capabilities.

China regulatory issues



The main reason Apple has pushed eSIM in the United States and not in other regions is because of identity.

For a start, carriers have to invest in new systems to use eSIM in the first place. This gives a way for carriers to remotely verify the identities of users, and to activate SIMs without visiting a store in the first place.

Carriers in the U.S. have embraced it, but other countries are not quite as quick to join in. China is one of them.

China uses a real-name registration system, which is enforced for all mobile phone use. Current eSIM systems don't allow for verification to the same level as China's system, and so carriers don't tend to support eSIM, with the exception of the Apple Watch and iPad.

This was evident in 2017, when cellular service was shut off for the first cellular Apple Watch to use an eSIM in China. Regulators later decided to ease eSIM controls for the Apple Watch.

The regulators are looking into the technology and its impact on smartphones. However, it is unclear if a similar loosening of regulations will occur before the iPhone 17 Slim's release.

Unless the regulators agree to make smartphone eSIMs viable for carriers to use, it seems unlikely that the iPhone 17 Slim will be available in China. That is, unless Apple's engineers can somehow jam the SIM tray in there.

Modem and mmWave



One other change that will probably affect the iPhone 17 Slim will be the modem, with the report claiming that it will be among the first iPhones to use Apple's in-house 5G modem instead of a Qualcomm one.

The modem, codenamed Sinope, is reportedly smaller than Qualcomm's version, and can consume less power. This could benefit the Slim by enabling it to use a slightly smaller battery, saving space.

At the same time, it could be another compromise for consumers. It is said that peak speeds for the Apple modem aren't quite as high as Qualcomm's modem, and are slightly less reliable in maintaining a cellular connection overall.

For users with higher bandwidth needs, there's a further problem. A source says that mmWave support is not included in the modem, meaning it won't work using the high-speed connectivity bands of 5G.

It will still connect using 5G's sub-6Ghz bands, so it will still have comparable speed to other non-mmWave devices.

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  • Reply 1 of 26
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,640member
    It’s fine regarding mm wave as it’s almost useless for most people. Additionally, it’s almost nowhere here in the USA. And except for Japan which installed a network for the Olympics, no other country seems interested either.
    canukstormdewme
  • Reply 2 of 26
    It makes sense for Apple to put their first cellular modem into a low-end device, as one can reasonably expect a lot of teething problems.This isn't a knock on Apple, it's more that it's an insanely hard problem and pretty much nobody gets it right the first time.
    williamlondon
  • Reply 3 of 26
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,019member
    Cellular handover reliability at high speed is essential in China, Europe and Japan where high speed rail systems are commonplace. Also, a reliable cellular connection is essential in places like tunnels and buildings where street cellular penetration isn't great.

    The tradeoffs in the name of slimness aren't looking great if the rumours prove to be true. 

    In terms of thickness, 6.6mm is plenty to accommodate a nano SIM tray and in terms of overall volume, it should be doable and feasible too (especially if  'thin' also means 'large' in terms of screen dimensions) 
    canukstorm
  • Reply 4 of 26
    avon b7 said:
    Cellular handover reliability at high speed is essential in China, Europe and Japan where high speed rail systems are commonplace. Also, a reliable cellular connection is essential in places like tunnels and buildings where street cellular penetration isn't great.

    The tradeoffs in the name of slimness aren't looking great if the rumours prove to be true. 

    In terms of thickness, 6.6mm is plenty to accommodate a nano SIM tray and in terms of overall volume, it should be doable and feasible too (especially if  'thin' also means 'large' in terms of screen dimensions) 
    I agree. Below 6mm is pushing it if it means a worse a user experience.  Between 6mm and 7mm seems like the sweet spot, at least for now.
  • Reply 5 of 26
    Sigh, who cares? Can we please get an iPhone XX mini instead? Slimness is not a trait that matters anymore, nor does it make sense ergonomically, and the camera bump will stick out even more :(. Steve Jobs is turning over in his grave.
    edited November 25 h4y3sfred1pulseimagesnamethespruce
  • Reply 6 of 26
    wood1208wood1208 Posts: 2,935member
    Can someone tells me why so much commotion for this thin iPhone 17 ? What additional features it will have that rest of the iPhone 17 and 17 Pro won't have ?
    fred1pulseimages
  • Reply 7 of 26
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 4,038member
    melgross said:
    It’s fine regarding mm wave as it’s almost useless for most people. Additionally, it’s almost nowhere here in the USA. And except for Japan which installed a network for the Olympics, no other country seems interested either.
    My thoughts exactly. mmWave was nothing more than a big number to impress people and convince them to switch to 5G. It’s all but useless in practice. 
  • Reply 8 of 26
    jimh2jimh2 Posts: 665member
    The post is made up of rumors and speculation being discussed as if they are known facts. 
    pulseimages
  • Reply 9 of 26
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 4,038member
    jimh2 said:
    The post is made up of rumors and speculation being discussed as if they are known facts. 
    Uhhh…your point being? Half of the posts on AI are nothing but speculation. 
  • Reply 10 of 26
    M68000M68000 Posts: 880member
    wood1208 said:
    Can someone tells me why so much commotion for this thin iPhone 17 ? What additional features it will have that rest of the iPhone 17 and 17 Pro won't have ?
    Indeed,  it seems like it will have less features.
    pulseimages
  • Reply 11 of 26
    mmWave is not supported in any iPhone 15 or 16 series, except the US market models. 

    That's how "popular" it is around the world! 

    It never worked, never delivered as promised, and one has to wonder, why did carriers spend 100s of Bns on a technology that was never properly tested, never properly worked, during a time when the world was locked down. I mean if I was a conspiracy theorist... the marketing brochure for the technology states that beamforming antennas follow a user around the city which sounds just like control towers from a SciFi movie ... anyway luckily this never worked, it was apparently just a giant money sink for telecoms. 

    The sooner that bad tech goes away completely the better as I am concerned. 

    eSim - I am not sure on this one. 

    I hope Apple partners with Starlink and takes all mobile providers out of the picture, now that DTC works - Starlink now has direct to cell mode and can directly use cell phones. 
  • Reply 12 of 26
    Slim Phone, fat price I guess.
    pulseimageswilliamlondon
  • Reply 13 of 26
    Why does it need a sim tray at all, why can’t the nano sim be inserted into a slot and ejected with a push retraction method? Esims are much like SD cards, they could be housed inside the phone like SD cards rather than sit on a tray inside the phone.
  • Reply 14 of 26
    charlesncharlesn Posts: 1,159member
    So let me see if I’ve got this straight: thin out an iPhone 16 by 1.8 millimeters—that’s less than 25% thinner—then give it iPhone SE-type specs and camera, maybe even worse battery life, but charge a premium price compared to a regular iPhone 17. I’m sorry, but who buys this and WHY? 
    gatorguy
  • Reply 15 of 26
    I really don’t understand why Apple keeps pusing for thinner devices. I prefer functionality (larger battery or sim tray) over thinner devices.
    pulseimageswilliamlondon
  • Reply 16 of 26
    dutchlord said:
    I really don’t understand why Apple keeps pusing for thinner devices. I prefer functionality (larger battery or sim tray) over thinner devices.
    They’ve run out of ideas. 
    williamlondon
  • Reply 17 of 26
    BendGate 2: Electric Boogaloo
  • Reply 18 of 26

    I hope Apple partners with Starlink and takes all mobile providers out of the picture, now that DTC works - Starlink now has direct to cell mode and can directly use cell phones. 
    Awww yes, let’s hope they switch to another company that oversells and under delivers in performance. Starlink’s performance has gone down measurably since their initial release.
    tht
  • Reply 19 of 26
    thttht Posts: 5,681member

    I hope Apple partners with Starlink and takes all mobile providers out of the picture, now that DTC works - Starlink now has direct to cell mode and can directly use cell phones. 
    Awww yes, let’s hope they switch to another company that oversells and under delivers in performance. Starlink’s performance has gone down measurably since their initial release.
    Calamander is asking for a situation that is impossible. Satellite comm as it currently exists can't replace terrestrial cellular networks. It's entirely too unreliable and doesn't support enough bandwidth. Its primary feature is to provide comm services when a cell phone doesn't have access to a terrestrial network, and this will basically be it for the foreseeable future.

    All it takes is a cloud, a tree, buildings, roof of a car, inside buildings, anything that interferes with line of sight access to satellites means you don't have network access.

    There's a reason sat-comm has never panned out to be a big business. It's network performance hasn't even come close enough to terrestrial networks, by "close enough" I mean it is like the next star system away, to be able to drive a self-sustaining and profitable business.
  • Reply 20 of 26
    Why does Apple insist on bullshitting its users.

    The Vivo X5 Max that came out a decade ago was 4.75mm thin and not only did it have a SIM, it had a Dual Sim where the second SIM slot could also be used for a MicroSD card.


    If they find that a SIM card slot is now unnecessary then all power to them. But it's really fascinating that they instead spew lies making it appear that the device is just way too thin for a SIM card, and worse, expect people to lap it up without ever realizing that Apple is just blatantly insulting their intelligence.

    edited November 26 muthuk_vanalingamwilliamlondongatorguy
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