Trump blinks: Floats suggestion that Apple might get a tariff exemption

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In a press gaggle, President Donald Trump said that some companies that have been hit the hardest by the blockbuster tariffs applied by the administration may get some relief -- and nobody has been or will be hit harder than Apple.

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Apple may see some relief from tariffs. Image source: Apple



It has been a rollercoaster week as President Trump finally enacted global "reciprocal" tariffs in an attempt to either bring manufacturing to the United States or be used as a negotiating tactic to lower other country's tariffs. The administration retaliated against China on Wednesday morning with a 104% tariff, then increased that tariff to 125%, and lowered every other tariff to the base 10% for 90 days.

Apple's stock bounced back slightly on the news of the pause, but after the market close, President Trump suggested that some companies may be considered for an exemption. He previously stated there would be no exemptions outside of the ones outlined already on "Liberation Day," but like with the global tariffs, he's changed his mind, citing "flexibility."

A reporter asks him about potential exemptions while he's out doing a meet-and-greet with race car drivers. Trump states that exemptions are being considered for companies "hit harder" by tariffs, but decisions will be made based on "instinct."

The question occurs at the 18-minute mark in the embedded video below.



Apple's reliance on China could mean an exemption, as it would be the company most affected by the continued 125% tariff. Price estimates place iPhone 16 Pro Max well over $2,000 when adjusted for the original 54% tariffs on China.

Customers rushed out to buy iPhones before Apple could announce new pricing, but now, that may not have been necessary. Exemptions may not occur, and anything could happen or change at a moment's notice, so Apple may continue shipping iPhones in massive quantities to stockpile during the 90-day reprieve.

Apple CEO Tim Cook played the long game and got the company in Trump's head early on as a good example. Cook donated $1 million to Trump's inauguration fund and attended the event, plus in-person dinners, to help keep Apple in good graces.

Additionally, Apple announced a $500 billion investment in the United States, which continues to be brought up by Trump in interviews. In today's Q&A, he even suggested that the $500 billion from Apple both a new announcement and for one plant -- and neither statement is true.

White Apple logo overlaying a red downward stock graph on a dark background.
Apple stocks have been volatile since the tariffs were announced



The investment from Apple is a continuation of investments the company has made in the United States in recent decades, though previously more quietly. Apple has made these kinds of investments part of bigger PR pushes since the first Trump administration and announced a $430 billion investment during the Biden administration.

Each United States investment announcement has occurred close to big political events like elections or potential regulation. The current $500 billion investment announced by Apple is just a continuation of the $430 billion it promised in 2021, which was added on from a $350 billion promise made in 2018, and so on.

However, Tim Cook's playbook on handling Donald Trump allowed the latest announcement to come across as a result of Trump's policy. And so far, it seems to be working.

Perhaps Trump's instincts will kick in and select Apple as a potential exemption from tariffs, which may have been Tim Cook's plan all along. So, regardless of the twists and turns of the roller coaster going forward, Apple may be safer than some.



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  • Reply 1 of 45
    twolf2919twolf2919 Posts: 166member
    You might want to consider reading what you previously wrote :-)

    "but now, that may not have been necessary. Exemptions may not occur, and anything could happen or change at a moment's notice, so Apple may continue shipping iPhones in massive quantities to stockpile during the 90-day reprieve."

    As you wrote yourself earlier in the piece, China is not part of the 90-day reprieve, so unless Trump specificially excludes Apple, Apple doesn't have 90 days to stockpile.
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  • Reply 2 of 45
    twolf2919 said:
    You might want to consider reading what you previously wrote :-)

    "but now, that may not have been necessary. Exemptions may not occur, and anything could happen or change at a moment's notice, so Apple may continue shipping iPhones in massive quantities to stockpile during the 90-day reprieve."

    As you wrote yourself earlier in the piece, China is not part of the 90-day reprieve, so unless Trump specificially excludes Apple, Apple doesn't have 90 days to stockpile.
    I didn't write the article so I could be wrong about this but I think they are referring to India where the 90 day reprieve is happening. I think Apple also makes iPhones in Brazil or maybe they used to. 
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  • Reply 3 of 45
    SiTimesitime Posts: 20member
    twolf2919 said:
    You might want to consider reading what you previously wrote :-)

    "but now, that may not have been necessary. Exemptions may not occur, and anything could happen or change at a moment's notice, so Apple may continue shipping iPhones in massive quantities to stockpile during the 90-day reprieve."

    As you wrote yourself earlier in the piece, China is not part of the 90-day reprieve, so unless Trump specificially excludes Apple, Apple doesn't have 90 days to stockpile.
    Many iPhones are assembled in China, but iPhones are assembled in countries other than China as well. Apple can continue to ship iPhones from India (and elsewhere ex-China) to warehouses in America at the 10% tariffs rate during the 90-day pause. America can get the India (and elsewhere ex-China) assembled iPhones, while the China assembled iPhones can go to the rest of the world.
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  • Reply 4 of 45
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,347member
    It’s not a “blink.” It has been mentioned a lot here on ai before the tariffs came on. Apple would get an exemption. I’ve personally posted this a few times. 

    Smart people do smart things. It’s why cook preemptively met with the president prior to the election and why the admin is letting some of the fine tuning show now. It’s always shock and awe to rile up the immoveable players. Then settles into the details. It’s why you hear the phrase/torle “art of the deal” being so talked about lately. 

    As I’ve BEEN saying, Apple willl be fine. 
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  • Reply 5 of 45
    It’s not a “blink.” It has been mentioned a lot here on ai before the tariffs came on. Apple would get an exemption. I’ve personally posted this a few times. 

    Smart people do smart things. It’s why cook preemptively met with the president prior to the election and why the admin is letting some of the fine tuning show now. It’s always shock and awe to rile up the immoveable players. Then settles into the details. It’s why you hear the phrase/torle “art of the deal” being so talked about lately. 

    As I’ve BEEN saying, Apple willl be fine. 
    And the delusional cult continues on unabated, Dear Leader must not be questioned. 

    Meanwhile in reality Trump has shown how much of a lame duck president he is and U.S. is much weaker on the world stage than it was a week ago.  

    And because you pointed out in an other thread that you woefully uninformed on trade, let me help you out. What you and Trumpty Dumpty seem to be missing is Trump can't protect Apple or any other company from China. If China decides to start targeting U.S. companies like Apple or Tesla and just boots them from the country then they are absolutely screwed. The U.S. doesn't have the advanced manufacturing capabilities of China and that is something that would take at least a decade to build out. China does almost all of the world's refining of rare earth minerals. Replacing that capability will take a decade to do. China holds way more cards in this trade war than just tariffs. Turmpty Dumpty has brought a squirt gun to a gun fight. 

    Maybe, just maybe, ponder the potential consequences of Trumps actions rather than blindly cheerleading for him 


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  • Reply 6 of 45
    jfabula1jfabula1 Posts: 211member
    If you can’t afford Apple products as it’s always high priced anyway, tariffs or not….JUST DONT BUY,  there’s a lot of alternatives that are probably better. I loved Apple products and I’ve paid premium and I’m not crying like kids here….Apple is a company not to sell products loved by a lot of folks at a lost. It is for a profit company. So quit whining and appreciate there’s Apple products we loved. 

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  • Reply 7 of 45
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,935moderator
    Here’s something the MAGA crowd doesn’t seem to  know is coming.  This 90-day delay… they think countries will use this time to kiss the ring.  Yes, they will send their emissaries to Washington, but back home they will be working feverishly to cut trade deals and form alliances to reduce their dependence on America and find new sources of needed goods and new markets for theirs.  
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  • Reply 8 of 45
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,347member
    It’s not a “blink.” It has been mentioned a lot here on ai before the tariffs came on. Apple would get an exemption. I’ve personally posted this a few times. 

    Smart people do smart things. It’s why cook preemptively met with the president prior to the election and why the admin is letting some of the fine tuning show now. It’s always shock and awe to rile up the immoveable players. Then settles into the details. It’s why you hear the phrase/torle “art of the deal” being so talked about lately. 

    As I’ve BEEN saying, Apple willl be fine. 
    And the delusional cult continues on unabated, Dear Leader must not be questioned. 

    Meanwhile in reality Trump has shown how much of a lame duck president he is and U.S. is much weaker on the world stage than it was a week ago.  

    And because you pointed out in an other thread that you woefully uninformed on trade, let me help you out. What you and Trumpty Dumpty seem to be missing is Trump can't protect Apple or any other company from China. If China decides to start targeting U.S. companies like Apple or Tesla and just boots them from the country then they are absolutely screwed. The U.S. doesn't have the advanced manufacturing capabilities of China and that is something that would take at least a decade to build out. China does almost all of the world's refining of rare earth minerals. Replacing that capability will take a decade to do. China holds way more cards in this trade war than just tariffs. Turmpty Dumpty has brought a squirt gun to a gun fight. 

    Maybe, just maybe, ponder the potential consequences of Trumps actions rather than blindly cheerleading for him 


    It’s not a “blink.” It has been mentioned a lot here on ai before the tariffs came on. Apple would get an exemption. I’ve personally posted this a few times. 

    Smart people do smart things. It’s why cook preemptively met with the president prior to the election and why the admin is letting some of the fine tuning show now. It’s always shock and awe to rile up the immoveable players. Then settles into the details. It’s why you hear the phrase/torle “art of the deal” being so talked about lately. 

    As I’ve BEEN saying, Apple willl be fine. 
    And the delusional cult continues on unabated, Dear Leader must not be questioned. 

    Meanwhile in reality Trump has shown how much of a lame duck president he is and U.S. is much weaker on the world stage than it was a week ago.  

    And because you pointed out in an other thread that you woefully uninformed on trade, let me help you out. What you and Trumpty Dumpty seem to be missing is Trump can't protect Apple or any other company from China. If China decides to start targeting U.S. companies like Apple or Tesla and just boots them from the country then they are absolutely screwed. The U.S. doesn't have the advanced manufacturing capabilities of China and that is something that would take at least a decade to build out. China does almost all of the world's refining of rare earth minerals. Replacing that capability will take a decade to do. China holds way more cards in this trade war than just tariffs. Turmpty Dumpty has brought a squirt gun to a gun fight. 

    Maybe, just maybe, ponder the potential consequences of Trumps actions rather than blindly cheerleading for him 


    It’s common sense. Something a trump-hatred cult will never see. 

    And I’ll take Donald trump and Bessent any day over some dude on the internet named “stabitha.”

    But seriously. There are so many ways to look at this. It definitely exposes predispositions. If you already hate Tru p, you’ll work to find the pessimistic angle. If you already like him, you’ll work to find the positive angle. And if you’re just a simple common sense guy, you’ll work to can appreciate what he’s trying to do while retaining the ability to see where it may go wrong - but also retain tje ability to see where it may go right. So far, for common sense folks, tje goal is admirable, results are mixed with the short time in action, and the pivot seems to preserve both the American tech company as well as the inherits of the action to begin with. The downside of all of it is of course the “short term pain” of stock volatility and posdible higher prices. But that was always a known quantity. Not some surprise. But the long term gain of fair trade is what the goal is. And it’s certainly at the very least worth the attempt. If it wasn’t trump, it would be someone else. The status quo is not sustainable without ceding our economy and leading status in the world. As one of the few truly free places in the world, this matters. We are all her for all things apple. They’re a great company. Another reason their great is that they stand for human rights, privacy, security, etc. on top of making the best stuff on earth. But take away the foundation of freedom upon which they operate and things go south. We see a microcosm in the EU and China. Hopefully, with the bold moves being made on the big stage, that’s as far as it goes. 
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  • Reply 9 of 45
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,347member

    Here’s something the MAGA crowd doesn’t seem to  know is coming.  This 90-day delay… they think countries will use this time to kiss the ring.  Yes, they will send their emissaries to Washington, but back home they will be working feverishly to cut trade deals and form alliances to reduce their dependence on America and find new sources of needed goods and new markets for theirs.  
    Of course they will. That’s a given. But will they succeed? Not likely. They’ve already been riding the gravy train making free money on USA tariffs. Now that’s in question. Now they have to figure out if they want to play fair or hurt themselves. 

    Last time I checked, fair is a noble goal. Something everyone can get behind, whether it’s sports, job promotions, prices at the store, or global trade. 

    It’s been unfair for a very long time. Fair is good. Hopefully we see thst accomplished in short order. 
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  • Reply 10 of 45
    nubusnubus Posts: 779member

    It’s been unfair for a very long time. Fair is good.
    The trade deficit towards EU is 3%. It is mainly unfair to EU as Boeing and Northrop are not delivering on time. So put a 1.5% tariff on EU now - and the we can reverse it when Boeing starts shipping. Fair?
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  • Reply 11 of 45
    mattinozmattinoz Posts: 2,601member
    It’s not a “blink.” It has been mentioned a lot here on ai before the tariffs came on. Apple would get an exemption. I’ve personally posted this a few times. 

    Smart people do smart things. It’s why cook preemptively met with the president prior to the election and why the admin is letting some of the fine tuning show now. It’s always shock and awe to rile up the immoveable players. Then settles into the details. It’s why you hear the phrase/torle “art of the deal” being so talked about lately. 

    As I’ve BEEN saying, Apple willl be fine. 
    And the delusional cult continues on unabated, Dear Leader must not be questioned. 

    Meanwhile in reality Trump has shown how much of a lame duck president he is and U.S. is much weaker on the world stage than it was a week ago.  

    And because you pointed out in an other thread that you woefully uninformed on trade, let me help you out. What you and Trumpty Dumpty seem to be missing is Trump can't protect Apple or any other company from China. If China decides to start targeting U.S. companies like Apple or Tesla and just boots them from the country then they are absolutely screwed. The U.S. doesn't have the advanced manufacturing capabilities of China and that is something that would take at least a decade to build out. China does almost all of the world's refining of rare earth minerals. Replacing that capability will take a decade to do. China holds way more cards in this trade war than just tariffs. Turmpty Dumpty has brought a squirt gun to a gun fight. 

    Maybe, just maybe, ponder the potential consequences of Trumps actions rather than blindly cheerleading for him 


    It’s not a “blink.” It has been mentioned a lot here on ai before the tariffs came on. Apple would get an exemption. I’ve personally posted this a few times. 

    Smart people do smart things. It’s why cook preemptively met with the president prior to the election and why the admin is letting some of the fine tuning show now. It’s always shock and awe to rile up the immoveable players. Then settles into the details. It’s why you hear the phrase/torle “art of the deal” being so talked about lately. 

    As I’ve BEEN saying, Apple willl be fine. 
    And the delusional cult continues on unabated, Dear Leader must not be questioned. 

    Meanwhile in reality Trump has shown how much of a lame duck president he is and U.S. is much weaker on the world stage than it was a week ago.  

    And because you pointed out in an other thread that you woefully uninformed on trade, let me help you out. What you and Trumpty Dumpty seem to be missing is Trump can't protect Apple or any other company from China. If China decides to start targeting U.S. companies like Apple or Tesla and just boots them from the country then they are absolutely screwed. The U.S. doesn't have the advanced manufacturing capabilities of China and that is something that would take at least a decade to build out. China does almost all of the world's refining of rare earth minerals. Replacing that capability will take a decade to do. China holds way more cards in this trade war than just tariffs. Turmpty Dumpty has brought a squirt gun to a gun fight. 

    Maybe, just maybe, ponder the potential consequences of Trumps actions rather than blindly cheerleading for him 


    It’s common sense. Something a trump-hatred cult will never see. 

    And I’ll take Donald trump and Bessent any day over some dude on the internet named “stabitha.”

    But seriously. There are so many ways to look at this. It definitely exposes predispositions. If you already hate Tru p, you’ll work to find the pessimistic angle. If you already like him, you’ll work to find the positive angle. And if you’re just a simple common sense guy, you’ll work to can appreciate what he’s trying to do while retaining the ability to see where it may go wrong - but also retain tje ability to see where it may go right. So far, for common sense folks, tje goal is admirable, results are mixed with the short time in action, and the pivot seems to preserve both the American tech company as well as the inherits of the action to begin with. The downside of all of it is of course the “short term pain” of stock volatility and posdible higher prices. But that was always a known quantity. Not some surprise. But the long term gain of fair trade is what the goal is. And it’s certainly at the very least worth the attempt. If it wasn’t trump, it would be someone else. The status quo is not sustainable without ceding our economy and leading status in the world. As one of the few truly free places in the world, this matters. We are all her for all things apple. They’re a great company. Another reason their great is that they stand for human rights, privacy, security, etc. on top of making the best stuff on earth. But take away the foundation of freedom upon which they operate and things go south. We see a microcosm in the EU and China. Hopefully, with the bold moves being made on the big stage, that’s as far as it goes. 
    Where does the long term gain come from if what caused the “blink” was the bond market rejecting USA as the safe stable reliable currency?

    we don’t know who the new default currency is but I suggest we’ll know next time an Apple keynote has a pricing chart. Tim Cook will set in stone with the words “iPhone 17 still xxxx” and oh the new increased USA price.
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  • Reply 12 of 45
    michelb76michelb76 Posts: 737member
    And I’ll take Donald trump and Bessent any day over some dude on the internet named “stabitha.”

    But seriously. There are so many ways to look at this. It definitely exposes predispositions. If you already hate Tru p, you’ll work to find the pessimistic angle. If you already like him, you’ll work to find the positive angle. And if you’re just a simple common sense guy, you’ll work to can appreciate what he’s trying to do while retaining the ability to see where it may go wrong - but also retain tje ability to see where it may go right. So far, for common sense folks, tje goal is admirable, results are mixed with the short time in action, and the pivot seems to preserve both the American tech company as well as the inherits of the action to begin with. The downside of all of it is of course the “short term pain” of stock volatility and posdible higher prices. But that was always a known quantity. Not some surprise. But the long term gain of fair trade is what the goal is. And it’s certainly at the very least worth the attempt. If it wasn’t trump, it would be someone else. The status quo is not sustainable without ceding our economy and leading status in the world. As one of the few truly free places in the world, this matters. We are all her for all things apple. They’re a great company. Another reason their great is that they stand for human rights, privacy, security, etc. on top of making the best stuff on earth. But take away the foundation of freedom upon which they operate and things go south. We see a microcosm in the EU and China. Hopefully, with the bold moves being made on the big stage, that’s as far as it goes. 
    If Europe decides to bond together and increase production and trade amongst themselves, they no longer need the US for 90% of the stuff and will have a much larger market than they would ever have had with the US. In reality they need very little US products because most of those are low quality and don't adhere to European standards and regulations. (cars, food) They trade with the US because of allyship. That's going to go out the window fast now. Europe has a reliance on US tech companies, but work is underway to reduce that. BRICS countries removing reliance on the dollar will absolutely hurt the US for generations. A next president is not going to be able to correct this. The damage done to the US in the past months will take decades to recover, if ever. There is no short term pain, only long term pain. There is a lot of gain for those in power though, but that's a very small group.
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  • Reply 13 of 45
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,347member
    michelb76 said:
    And I’ll take Donald trump and Bessent any day over some dude on the internet named “stabitha.”

    But seriously. There are so many ways to look at this. It definitely exposes predispositions. If you already hate Tru p, you’ll work to find the pessimistic angle. If you already like him, you’ll work to find the positive angle. And if you’re just a simple common sense guy, you’ll work to can appreciate what he’s trying to do while retaining the ability to see where it may go wrong - but also retain tje ability to see where it may go right. So far, for common sense folks, tje goal is admirable, results are mixed with the short time in action, and the pivot seems to preserve both the American tech company as well as the inherits of the action to begin with. The downside of all of it is of course the “short term pain” of stock volatility and posdible higher prices. But that was always a known quantity. Not some surprise. But the long term gain of fair trade is what the goal is. And it’s certainly at the very least worth the attempt. If it wasn’t trump, it would be someone else. The status quo is not sustainable without ceding our economy and leading status in the world. As one of the few truly free places in the world, this matters. We are all her for all things apple. They’re a great company. Another reason their great is that they stand for human rights, privacy, security, etc. on top of making the best stuff on earth. But take away the foundation of freedom upon which they operate and things go south. We see a microcosm in the EU and China. Hopefully, with the bold moves being made on the big stage, that’s as far as it goes. 
    If Europe decides to bond together and increase production and trade amongst themselves, they no longer need the US for 90% of the stuff and will have a much larger market than they would ever have had with the US. In reality they need very little US products because most of those are low quality and don't adhere to European standards and regulations. (cars, food) They trade with the US because of allyship. That's going to go out the window fast now. Europe has a reliance on US tech companies, but work is underway to reduce that. BRICS countries removing reliance on the dollar will absolutely hurt the US for generations. A next president is not going to be able to correct this. The damage done to the US in the past months will take decades to recover, if ever. There is no short term pain, only long term pain. There is a lot of gain for those in power though, but that's a very small group.
    If it were that easy, they’d have done so already. Europe is not so friendly with the US. If there was a way to stick it to America beyond drawing up laws designed specifically to target American companies or applying tariffs, they’d already have done so. We don’t need Europe. But they do need us. 

    And can you imagine how tragic life in Europe would be with no Apple? Man that’s just really really sad. 
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    thedbathedba Posts: 825member
    michelb76 said:
    And I’ll take Donald trump and Bessent any day over some dude on the internet named “stabitha.”

    But seriously. There are so many ways to look at this. It definitely exposes predispositions. If you already hate Tru p, you’ll work to find the pessimistic angle. If you already like him, you’ll work to find the positive angle. And if you’re just a simple common sense guy, you’ll work to can appreciate what he’s trying to do while retaining the ability to see where it may go wrong - but also retain tje ability to see where it may go right. So far, for common sense folks, tje goal is admirable, results are mixed with the short time in action, and the pivot seems to preserve both the American tech company as well as the inherits of the action to begin with. The downside of all of it is of course the “short term pain” of stock volatility and posdible higher prices. But that was always a known quantity. Not some surprise. But the long term gain of fair trade is what the goal is. And it’s certainly at the very least worth the attempt. If it wasn’t trump, it would be someone else. The status quo is not sustainable without ceding our economy and leading status in the world. As one of the few truly free places in the world, this matters. We are all her for all things apple. They’re a great company. Another reason their great is that they stand for human rights, privacy, security, etc. on top of making the best stuff on earth. But take away the foundation of freedom upon which they operate and things go south. We see a microcosm in the EU and China. Hopefully, with the bold moves being made on the big stage, that’s as far as it goes. 
    If Europe decides to bond together and increase production and trade amongst themselves, they no longer need the US for 90% of the stuff and will have a much larger market than they would ever have had with the US. In reality they need very little US products because most of those are low quality and don't adhere to European standards and regulations. (cars, food) They trade with the US because of allyship. That's going to go out the window fast now. Europe has a reliance on US tech companies, but work is underway to reduce that. BRICS countries removing reliance on the dollar will absolutely hurt the US for generations. A next president is not going to be able to correct this. The damage done to the US in the past months will take decades to recover, if ever. There is no short term pain, only long term pain. There is a lot of gain for those in power though, but that's a very small group.
    If it were that easy, they’d have done so already. Europe is not so friendly with the US. If there was a way to stick it to America beyond drawing up laws designed specifically to target American companies or applying tariffs, they’d already have done so. We don’t need Europe. But they do need us. 

    And can you imagine how tragic life in Europe would be with no Apple? Man that’s just really really sad. 
    Please stop, cause you really have no clue what you’re talking about.
    Europe has been going lockstep alongside the US for decades now politically and strategically and economy wise.
    But now in less than a year, the “Donald” has made it cool for you to take a dump all over your friends and neighbours.

    Life would be tragic in Europe without Apple products? 
    What the hell are you on?  Life’s already chugging along in most countries around the world without Apple products. 
    IPhones, Macs etc. are a minority in the EU as a whole and have been, like forever.

    I like Apple products as much as anyone in these forums but few cared when they started shipping iPhones with USB-C.
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    ssfe11ssfe11 Posts: 142member
    I knew Trump was unstable and a risk but I didn’t know he would be this bad. I never voted for him in his 3 elections. With that being said Tim Cook is extremely smart especially reading people that’s why he played Trump the way he did the first time. I have total confidence that Tim will navigate Apple through these “Waters of Insanity” and Apple will be fine and be stronger than ever long after Trump is gone. 
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  • Reply 16 of 45
    ssfe11ssfe11 Posts: 142member

    The midterm elections a year and half away are the way we can neutralize Trump. Get the democrats in there and handcuff him. I think people will vote Democrat like never before after seeing the carnage this man can produce. This past week people are utterly exhausted and they absolutely will do anything to not have to live every day waking up with this incredible daily anxiety. 
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  • Reply 17 of 45
    ssfe11ssfe11 Posts: 142member
    I work for a large company and everyone I mean everyone looks like a deer in headlights. The big vocal Trump voters are tucked away in the corner of their cubes hiding themselves. Never seen people so anxious. 
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  • Reply 18 of 45
    It’s not a “blink.” It has been mentioned a lot here on ai before the tariffs came on. Apple would get an exemption. I’ve personally posted this a few times. 

    Smart people do smart things. It’s why cook preemptively met with the president prior to the election and why the admin is letting some of the fine tuning show now. It’s always shock and awe to rile up the immoveable players. Then settles into the details. It’s why you hear the phrase/torle “art of the deal” being so talked about lately. 

    As I’ve BEEN saying, Apple willl be fine. 
    And the delusional cult continues on unabated, Dear Leader must not be questioned. 

    Meanwhile in reality Trump has shown how much of a lame duck president he is and U.S. is much weaker on the world stage than it was a week ago.  

    And because you pointed out in an other thread that you woefully uninformed on trade, let me help you out. What you and Trumpty Dumpty seem to be missing is Trump can't protect Apple or any other company from China. If China decides to start targeting U.S. companies like Apple or Tesla and just boots them from the country then they are absolutely screwed. The U.S. doesn't have the advanced manufacturing capabilities of China and that is something that would take at least a decade to build out. China does almost all of the world's refining of rare earth minerals. Replacing that capability will take a decade to do. China holds way more cards in this trade war than just tariffs. Turmpty Dumpty has brought a squirt gun to a gun fight. 

    Maybe, just maybe, ponder the potential consequences of Trumps actions rather than blindly cheerleading for him 


    It’s common sense. Something a trump-hatred cult will never see. 

    And I’ll take Donald trump and Bessent any day over some dude on the internet named “stabitha.”

    But seriously. There are so many ways to look at this. It definitely exposes predispositions. If you already hate Tru p, you’ll work to find the pessimistic angle. If you already like him, you’ll work to find the positive angle. And if you’re just a simple common sense guy, you’ll work to can appreciate what he’s trying to do while retaining the ability to see where it may go wrong - but also retain tje ability to see where it may go right. So far, for common sense folks, tje goal is admirable, results are mixed with the short time in action, and the pivot seems to preserve both the American tech company as well as the inherits of the action to begin with. The downside of all of it is of course the “short term pain” of stock volatility and posdible higher prices. But that was always a known quantity. Not some surprise. But the long term gain of fair trade is what the goal is. And it’s certainly at the very least worth the attempt. If it wasn’t trump, it would be someone else. The status quo is not sustainable without ceding our economy and leading status in the world. As one of the few truly free places in the world, this matters. We are all her for all things apple. They’re a great company. Another reason they're great is that they stand for human rights, privacy, security, etc. on top of making the best stuff on earth. But take away the foundation of freedom upon which they operate and things go south. We see a microcosm in the EU and China. Hopefully, with the bold moves being made on the big stage, that’s as far as it goes. 
    Well, you have completely ignored the substance of my comment. 

    Let's take a step back and start at the beginning, as there is a lot we agree on. So let's look at how the U.S. got into this situation. 

    If you go back to the boom years of the 1940s-1960s, the U.S. was a manufacturing economy, and it served us well. We had a lot of upward mobility. Along the way, we chose to move toward a more services-based economy. We embraced free trade capitalism and let the markets figure it out. And when I say we, I mean our collective decision-making via the democratic process. No individual or party really owns the decisions; the country collectively decided to do these things. During that time, China decided to become a manufacturing economy. To do that, the Chinese government invested in infrastructure and education. It helped companies set up manufacturing in exchange for manufacturing technology. It was playing the long game, but it worked. It is also far easier for an autocratic government to do this because there is no need for consensus. Meanwhile, in the U.S., the transition to services served us well. We saw wealth explode, and we became the world's richest country. Unfortunately, this move left people behind. The areas that lost manufacturing work weren't always able to join in on the services economy explosion. Towns and smaller cities got hit particularly hard. But it is important to know that the U.S. isn't the victim of another country. This was our own decision-making, and China didn't become a manufacturing powerhouse because of tariffs. They did it via investment. And we lost manufacturing through a lack of investment. We opted for tax cuts instead. 

    So where do we as a country want to go? I think most of us can agree that we would like to see a return of manufacturing to the U.S. We would like to see a return to upward mobility for the people left behind. We would like the economic growth that would come with it. There is an argument for national security and self-reliance. No matter your political stripes, I think we all agree those are good things. Trump has stated these things as his goals, and I don't think many people are objecting to the goals. What people are objecting to is how he is trying to achieve those goals. 

    The U.S. doesn't have the infrastructure nor the skilled labor to do manufacturing at a large scale. Building that skill set and infrastructure needs to be done, and it is a long process. China didn't do it overnight. Tariffs have their place in repatriating manufacturing, but they aren't the primary tool in making it happen, and they won't do it alone. It needs to be a comprehensive plan, and everyone needs to be on board with it. It needs to include investments in infrastructure and education. Private capital will have its place, but the movement needs to step up and lead the effort. The U.S. government has more resources than any entity on the planet and is able to do incredible things. Private capital has never been able to make the monumental shifts the government has done. Private equity didn't do rural electrification. Commercial space travel only happened because of the work NASA did. The entirety of the internet economy exists because of the government's ARPANET project. What we need is to start doing investment in education and infrastructure, and as our manufacturing capacity expands, then we offer incentives for companies to start repatriating and investing in manufacturing. Lastly, and this is where tariffs come in, we need to have a stick for when the incentives don't work. Due to the amount of time it is going to take, the plan also needs to be bipartisan; it will need to be continued over multiple presidential administrations and multiple congressional election cycles. Without commitment from both parties, it will just die on the vine as soon as power shifts. 

    This brings up the Trump administration. They have not offered a comprehensive plan. All they have offered is a stick. They have offered no solution for how companies are going to repatriate manufacturing. They haven't even explained what they are going to do with the money they make from the tariffs. So, let's say Apple or any other tech company wants to repatriate its manufacturing immediately. It literally cannot do it. There is nowhere to move it to and there is no skilled workforce to do it. They are 100% on the hook for trying to build out the infrastructure and solve educating the workforce. At a bare minimum, the tariffs needed to be phased in to give companies an opportunity to solve the challenges related to bringing manufacturing back. You can certainly point to exceptions being made, but those just remove the incentive to do anything, and since Trump is in his second term, the best bet is to just ride out the four years and wait for the next guy to come along and just undo all of this. So, the solution requires a long-term plan, investments in education, investments in infrastructure, and it needs to be bipartisan. What Trump is doing is more tax cuts, gutting the Department of Education, gutting the government as a whole, random tariffs that may or may not be happening, and a lack of bipartisanship. Not only is his approach lacking bipartisan support, people in his own party are so against what he is doing that they want to introduce legislation to limit his ability to implement tariffs. The result has been needless economic upheaval, damaging the reputation of the U.S., and the majority of the population being pissed at him. Again, it's not the goals that are the issue; it is the how that is the issue. The how makes no sense and will not accomplish the goals. 

    A good example of how things should work is the CHIPS Act. Through incentives, the government was able to stimulate processor fabrication in the U.S. The whole thing was inciting enough that TSCM is interested in moving fabrication here. It is bipartisan, so companies aren't worried about the incentives being here one day and disappearing the next. That leads to long-term commitments. Was it perfect? No. But it is a good blueprint on how to bring manufacturing back to the U.S., and it does so without crashing markets or chaos in general. This is the kind of thing we should be urging our politicians to do. 

    TLDR; Trade wars are stupid and accomplish nothing. They shouldn't be our go to. We need to stop acting like we are victim of other countries because we won't acknowledge our own mistakes. Let's just roll up our sleeves and do the hard work needed to bring manufacturing back to the U.S.

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  • Reply 19 of 45
    charlesncharlesn Posts: 1,405member
    Even with its production diversification efforts in recent years, at least 90% of what Apple makes--and estimates go as high as 95%--still comes out of China. Any thought that Apple can turn on a dime and shift meaningful amounts of additional production to India or Vietnam for the next 90 days to avoid the crushing China tariffs is delusional. Manufacturing just doesn't work that way. And, of course, you have Trump's "Which way is the wind blowing today?" economic "policies," which make informed business decisions nearly impossible because there is no clarity, certainty or strategy about anything. He could pause the China tariffs tomorrow or maybe Apple gets an exemption or maybe Inida and Vietnam end up in the Trump doghouse 90 days from now because they didn't show sufficient fealty. Nobody knows. All we have is the pure, unadulterated id of a six-time serial bankruptcy filer who his own, hand-picked "best people" in his first term cabinet variously described as an idiot, a moron and an imbecile who was "off-the-rails" and had "the understanding of a third or fourth grader." And that's when they weren't calling him a fascist. We have a tantrum-throwing, know-nothing child at the wheel who is driving our economy and America off a cliff. 
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  • Reply 20 of 45
    AppleZuluapplezulu Posts: 2,372member
    It’s not a “blink.” It has been mentioned a lot here on ai before the tariffs came on. Apple would get an exemption. I’ve personally posted this a few times. 

    Smart people do smart things. It’s why cook preemptively met with the president prior to the election and why the admin is letting some of the fine tuning show now. It’s always shock and awe to rile up the immoveable players. Then settles into the details. It’s why you hear the phrase/torle “art of the deal” being so talked about lately. 

    As I’ve BEEN saying, Apple willl be fine. 
    And the delusional cult continues on unabated, Dear Leader must not be questioned. 

    Meanwhile in reality Trump has shown how much of a lame duck president he is and U.S. is much weaker on the world stage than it was a week ago.  

    And because you pointed out in an other thread that you woefully uninformed on trade, let me help you out. What you and Trumpty Dumpty seem to be missing is Trump can't protect Apple or any other company from China. If China decides to start targeting U.S. companies like Apple or Tesla and just boots them from the country then they are absolutely screwed. The U.S. doesn't have the advanced manufacturing capabilities of China and that is something that would take at least a decade to build out. China does almost all of the world's refining of rare earth minerals. Replacing that capability will take a decade to do. China holds way more cards in this trade war than just tariffs. Turmpty Dumpty has brought a squirt gun to a gun fight. 

    Maybe, just maybe, ponder the potential consequences of Trumps actions rather than blindly cheerleading for him 


    It’s not a “blink.” It has been mentioned a lot here on ai before the tariffs came on. Apple would get an exemption. I’ve personally posted this a few times. 

    Smart people do smart things. It’s why cook preemptively met with the president prior to the election and why the admin is letting some of the fine tuning show now. It’s always shock and awe to rile up the immoveable players. Then settles into the details. It’s why you hear the phrase/torle “art of the deal” being so talked about lately. 

    As I’ve BEEN saying, Apple willl be fine. 
    And the delusional cult continues on unabated, Dear Leader must not be questioned. 

    Meanwhile in reality Trump has shown how much of a lame duck president he is and U.S. is much weaker on the world stage than it was a week ago.  

    And because you pointed out in an other thread that you woefully uninformed on trade, let me help you out. What you and Trumpty Dumpty seem to be missing is Trump can't protect Apple or any other company from China. If China decides to start targeting U.S. companies like Apple or Tesla and just boots them from the country then they are absolutely screwed. The U.S. doesn't have the advanced manufacturing capabilities of China and that is something that would take at least a decade to build out. China does almost all of the world's refining of rare earth minerals. Replacing that capability will take a decade to do. China holds way more cards in this trade war than just tariffs. Turmpty Dumpty has brought a squirt gun to a gun fight. 

    Maybe, just maybe, ponder the potential consequences of Trumps actions rather than blindly cheerleading for him 


    It’s common sense. Something a trump-hatred cult will never see. 

    And I’ll take Donald trump and Bessent any day over some dude on the internet named “stabitha.”

    But seriously. There are so many ways to look at this. It definitely exposes predispositions. If you already hate Tru p, you’ll work to find the pessimistic angle. If you already like him, you’ll work to find the positive angle. And if you’re just a simple common sense guy, you’ll work to can appreciate what he’s trying to do while retaining the ability to see where it may go wrong - but also retain tje ability to see where it may go right. So far, for common sense folks, tje goal is admirable, results are mixed with the short time in action, and the pivot seems to preserve both the American tech company as well as the inherits of the action to begin with. The downside of all of it is of course the “short term pain” of stock volatility and posdible higher prices. But that was always a known quantity. Not some surprise. But the long term gain of fair trade is what the goal is. And it’s certainly at the very least worth the attempt. If it wasn’t trump, it would be someone else. The status quo is not sustainable without ceding our economy and leading status in the world. As one of the few truly free places in the world, this matters. We are all her for all things apple. They’re a great company. Another reason their great is that they stand for human rights, privacy, security, etc. on top of making the best stuff on earth. But take away the foundation of freedom upon which they operate and things go south. We see a microcosm in the EU and China. Hopefully, with the bold moves being made on the big stage, that’s as far as it goes. 
    Trump does not have a strategy. He is not making bold moves. With his administration’s current approach to due process and habeas corpus, freedom in this country is hanging by a thread. 

    If it weren’t negatively affecting the real lives of people around the entire world, this tariff outburst would be hilariously bad comedy. An SNL parody sketch that barely made the cut because it pushes the limits of believability. Chat GPT formulas. Tariffs on uninhabited islands. Trump’s Chief trade advisor basing policy on the “insight” of a fictional economist that is just a pseudonym for himself. Tariffs on allies but -surprise- none on Russia. Fox News hosts pushing out nonsensical talking points increasingly distant from reality and/or things they said last week. As the S&P plummets, the market is meaningless. As it rallies after the “blink,” it’s incontrovertible evidence that Trump is a genius. 

    The reality is far more grim. Trump is just doing the only thing he’s ever done, which is proverbially swing his d**k around, insisting he’s the biggest man there ever was. He’s destroying alliances and assuring no one will trust the United States for years to come. Because he can only perceive relationships in zero-sum transactional terms, he has no real friends, and now he’s assuring the United States won’t either. Even if he dropped the whole thing today and moved on to his next attention-getting scheme, the damage has already been done. 

    This trade fiasco has already damaged Apple and other companies immeasurably. Even if Apple is given a golden ticket exempting them from every tariff everywhere, the instability and eroded trust means they will have to retrench and rethink their entire production process to add in redundancies everywhere. An exemption today is barely worth the paper it’s printed on, because the president’s next social media post could turn everything upside down in an instant. 

    Never mind four years. Are you better or worse off now than you were three months ago?
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