<strong>It looks as though we are not going to get anything new until MWSF.</strong><hr></blockquote>
WHAT?! No... The TiBook is, just, so overdue. I need a computer: my PowerMac died the other night (posting this from a tech lab). I refuse to pay $3200 for adequate portable power. The current PBG4's are nothing to sneeze at, but they are simply not worth the price. You can't tell me that the cost hasn't dropped in six months... <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
The TiBook and the iBook are the two obviously non-new items at the Apple Store, but I'm biased because I want one .
Any January speedbumps will probably be the ones to tide Apple over until GPuL is unleashed. it appears that the current G4 can do 1.5GHz if pushed.
[quote]a bunch of pissing and moaning from people who claim the g4 isn't even though they own ibooks<hr></blockquote>
The iBook can be faster than the G4 in non Altivec app.s, despite its slower bus and lack of L3 cache. Of course, it gets whupped in 3D games and Altivec enhanced applications.
Fat Freddie, i think you are wrong. Apple is trying really hard to move current PM's, they have gone all DP, giving away InDesign and now you can get MS Office X for $199 as well. I don't believe that Apple can sustain this level of promotion. What is going on here is a last ditch attempt to keep demand going until January.
In January we are going to get a new processor and it isn't going to boot to OS9. What that processor is we just don't know yet, but it is going to be a significant jump over what we have at the moment. the 1.25ghz DP is at least 20% faster than any other Mac and that was quite a jump. It is likely that the new processor is going to be just as impressive, and it is going hand in hand with a lot of new graphics cards, and they will all help the mac perform much better.
<strong>Fat Freddie, i think you are wrong. Apple is trying really hard to move current PM's, they have gone all DP, giving away InDesign and now you can get MS Office X for $199 as well. I don't believe that Apple can sustain this level of promotion. What is going on here is a last ditch attempt to keep demand going until January.
In January we are going to get a new processor and it isn't going to boot to OS9. What that processor is we just don't know yet, but it is going to be a significant jump over what we have at the moment. the 1.25ghz DP is at least 20% faster than any other Mac and that was quite a jump. It is likely that the new processor is going to be just as impressive, and it is going hand in hand with a lot of new graphics cards, and they will all help the mac perform much better.
The future is bright and it isn't Orange!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Any insider infos
If your right, i hope so, what would Apple do?
1. The G5/ GPUL is twice as fast as the G4.
2. Powermacs are all DP, they won't go back on SP, IMO.
3. This means DP across the line, otherwise, performance difference too big.
<strong>Apple is trying really hard to move current PM's, they have gone all DP, giving away InDesign and now you can get MS Office X for $199 as well. I don't believe that Apple can sustain this level of promotion. What is going on here is a last ditch attempt to keep demand going until January.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Of course it could just be that these Power Macs are all Apple's got, and it's doing what is necessary to persuade people to buy them.
<strong>Fat Freddie, i think you are wrong. Apple is trying really hard to move current PM's, they have gone all DP, giving away InDesign and now you can get MS Office X for $199 as well. I don't believe that Apple can sustain this level of promotion. What is going on here is a last ditch attempt to keep demand going until January.
In January we are going to get a new processor and it isn't going to boot to OS9. What that processor is we just don't know yet, but it is going to be a significant jump over what we have at the moment. the 1.25ghz DP is at least 20% faster than any other Mac and that was quite a jump. It is likely that the new processor is going to be just as impressive, and it is going hand in hand with a lot of new graphics cards, and they will all help the mac perform much better.
The future is bright and it isn't Orange!</strong><hr></blockquote>
The Macintosh WILL NOT be x86 powered any time in the near future. An x86 Mac would not only be "not OS9-bootint", it would not even allow Classic to run. Apple is NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT going to do this. There are still a fair number of Classic/OS 9 Apps that people, although not myself, use with OS X. Besides, Apple is too proud to go x86, people have been skirting around this issue, but I think its the BIGGEST reason not to switch to x86. I for one would abandon the Mac should it go x86. The PowerPC is part of a whole that makes the Mac. The PowerPC is a well designed architecture, just as every other part of the mac is well designed. While Motorola may screw up its development, the people who gave it birth were thinking about what future computing would need. Why do you think it does so well on modern tasks like multimedia? It was designed with these things in mind! The x86 was designed with the thought of driving DOS word processors. It has adapted well because huge sums of money have been thrown at it. Had the same amount been poured into PowerPC desktop chips, who know where we'd be today.
<strong>The Macintosh WILL NOT be x86 powered any time in the near future. An x86 Mac would not only be "not OS9-bootint", it would not even allow Classic to run. Apple is NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT going to do this. There are still a fair number of Classic/OS 9 Apps that people, although not myself, use with OS X. Besides, Apple is too proud to go x86, people have been skirting around this issue, but I think its the BIGGEST reason not to switch to x86. I for one would abandon the Mac should it go x86. The PowerPC is part of a whole that makes the Mac. The PowerPC is a well designed architecture, just as every other part of the mac is well designed. While Motorola may screw up its development, the people who gave it birth were thinking about what future computing would need. Why do you think it does so well on modern tasks like multimedia? It was designed with these things in mind! The x86 was designed with the thought of driving DOS word processors. It has adapted well because huge sums of money have been thrown at it. Had the same amount been poured into PowerPC desktop chips, who know where we'd be today.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If you think x86 should mean Pentium4, then you are right ... but there are new 64-bit CPUs coming (or already available) that are just loosely x86 compatible (e. g. the Itanium -- which is dog slow if it has to mimick a real x86) and fairly modern. A Itanium based architecture can be modern and performant and does not necessarily have the limitations of current PC-compatible architectures.
What I do not see is MacOSX just running on the same boxes as Windows XP or whetever that will be called in the future.
Switching the CPU would not mean PC-compatible at the same time. Apple can still come up with their proprietary (ok, sorry: well designed and powerful <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> ) architectures in order not to spoil their HW business
The iMac gets an updated mobo at MWSF along with a speed bump:
800-1 GHz G4
133 MHz FSB
Geforce4 MX across the line, 32 MB RAM and 64 MB RAM in high-end iMac.
Other small mods to the mobo.
Perhaps a 19" iMac
Drop in price if LCD and RAM prices cooperate.
Late Jan. or Feb:
Powermacs get a speed bump:
1 GHz, 1.25 GHz, 1.5 GHz.
Same lame-ass mobo.
Optimistic scenario:
This Fall:
Laptops get revised.
iMac gets update:
800-1 GHz G4
133 MHz FSB
Geforce4 MX across the line, 32 MB RAM and 64 MB RAM in high-end iMac.
Other small mods to the mobo.
Perhaps a 19" iMac
Drop in price if LCD and RAM prices cooperate.
MWSF:
New towers based on the GPUL CPU are introduced.
The problem with this scenario is that new Powermacs were just introed, with revised mobos. Would Apple revise a mobo, only to introduced an entirely new GPUL-based mobo in 6 months? I don't know.
It does seem odd that IBM is so far along in GPUL development, and yet Apple won't get their sh!t together for over a year on it.
In January we are going to get a new processor and it isn't going to boot to OS9. What that processor is we just don't know yet, but it is going to be a significant jump over what we have at the moment. the 1.25ghz DP is at least 20% faster than any other Mac and that was quite a jump. It is likely that the new processor is going to be just as impressive, and it is going hand in hand with a lot of new graphics cards, and they will all help the mac perform much better.
The future is bright and it isn't Orange!</strong><hr></blockquote>
How I wish I could share your views on Apple's current lineup. You're the first person I know of who is satisfied with 1.25GHz! The current Power Macs are a cruel joke.
How I wish I could share your views on Apple's current lineup. You're the first person I know of who is satisfied with 1.25GHz! The current Power Macs are a cruel joke.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I am not satisfied at all. At the moment all my employees have faster Macs than I. I know that Apple is going to make a QL (Quantum leap) so I am sitting here with my DV+450 iMac and G3-300 with a Sonnet G4-500 u/g and rage 128 (Yuk) waiting, I am not attracted by the DP1.25. I mearly said that 20% improvement is a huge jump in performance, and I think it is. If you look at what was on offer in October 2001, a DP G4-800 was top of the range, what is on offer now is much better.
Of course x86 has moved further away in the ensuing months, but that does not mean that Apple has stood still it hasn't.
Apple is married to Altivec, AMD doesn't have the license to use this tech so that would probably eliminate them as cpu supplier. (edit: possibly an xServe though)
The Mirror Flash seems very intriguing. What might it be put in??? iPod?? new PDA like device???
Just thought, maybe AMD already supplies a processor for the current line up, anyone know??
Eskimo (unless he knows something else, which I doubt, since he would probably not want to risk his job by blabbing about something bigger than the truth) is playing with you all...
Apple currently ships items with AMD CPUs, and they have done so for quite some time...
Anyone here ever crack open an AirPort and look inside...?!?
I see them every friggin' day! (gotta find a new/bettrer gig) AMDs everywhere! ARGGGHHH!
Funny thing is, our new product is using an embedded PowerPC, running under a linux kernel!
Nobody really wanted to entertain the idea of working with Darwin when I brought it up... ;^(
And they STILL refuse to give me a Mac for my desktop, or replace the server racks with ANYTHING but those Dells...
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<strong>It looks as though we are not going to get anything new until MWSF.</strong><hr></blockquote>
WHAT?! No... The TiBook is, just, so overdue. I need a computer: my PowerMac died the other night (posting this from a tech lab). I refuse to pay $3200 for adequate portable power. The current PBG4's are nothing to sneeze at, but they are simply not worth the price. You can't tell me that the cost hasn't dropped in six months... <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
Any January speedbumps will probably be the ones to tide Apple over until GPuL is unleashed. it appears that the current G4 can do 1.5GHz if pushed.
[quote]a bunch of pissing and moaning from people who claim the g4 isn't even though they own ibooks<hr></blockquote>
The iBook can be faster than the G4 in non Altivec app.s, despite its slower bus and lack of L3 cache. Of course, it gets whupped in 3D games and Altivec enhanced applications.
Nothing, unfortunately.
My hopes are on new Power Macs and they will arrive between February/ March.
But nothing new, just speed bumped (1/ 1.25/ 1.5GHz).
In January we are going to get a new processor and it isn't going to boot to OS9. What that processor is we just don't know yet, but it is going to be a significant jump over what we have at the moment. the 1.25ghz DP is at least 20% faster than any other Mac and that was quite a jump. It is likely that the new processor is going to be just as impressive, and it is going hand in hand with a lot of new graphics cards, and they will all help the mac perform much better.
The future is bright and it isn't Orange!
<strong>Fat Freddie, i think you are wrong. Apple is trying really hard to move current PM's, they have gone all DP, giving away InDesign and now you can get MS Office X for $199 as well. I don't believe that Apple can sustain this level of promotion. What is going on here is a last ditch attempt to keep demand going until January.
In January we are going to get a new processor and it isn't going to boot to OS9. What that processor is we just don't know yet, but it is going to be a significant jump over what we have at the moment. the 1.25ghz DP is at least 20% faster than any other Mac and that was quite a jump. It is likely that the new processor is going to be just as impressive, and it is going hand in hand with a lot of new graphics cards, and they will all help the mac perform much better.
The future is bright and it isn't Orange!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Any insider infos
If your right, i hope so, what would Apple do?
1. The G5/ GPUL is twice as fast as the G4.
2. Powermacs are all DP, they won't go back on SP, IMO.
3. This means DP across the line, otherwise, performance difference too big.
Thats my dream:
GPUL profi line (Power Mac)
G5 consumer line (iMac, Powerbook)
G4 entry line (iBook, eMac, Cube2)
And all DP, Powerbooks/ iBooks, too.
But this will not happen, maybe in two years.
<strong>Apple is trying really hard to move current PM's, they have gone all DP, giving away InDesign and now you can get MS Office X for $199 as well. I don't believe that Apple can sustain this level of promotion. What is going on here is a last ditch attempt to keep demand going until January.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Of course it could just be that these Power Macs are all Apple's got, and it's doing what is necessary to persuade people to buy them.
:cool:
<strong>Fat Freddie, i think you are wrong. Apple is trying really hard to move current PM's, they have gone all DP, giving away InDesign and now you can get MS Office X for $199 as well. I don't believe that Apple can sustain this level of promotion. What is going on here is a last ditch attempt to keep demand going until January.
In January we are going to get a new processor and it isn't going to boot to OS9. What that processor is we just don't know yet, but it is going to be a significant jump over what we have at the moment. the 1.25ghz DP is at least 20% faster than any other Mac and that was quite a jump. It is likely that the new processor is going to be just as impressive, and it is going hand in hand with a lot of new graphics cards, and they will all help the mac perform much better.
The future is bright and it isn't Orange!</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's the new mobo G4 from Moto.
<strong>I know for certain one product Apple will introduce at MWSF, and it's powered by AMD...
:cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>
Spill it cold one (or is no booting into OS9 self-explanatory).
[ 10-03-2002: Message edited by: Bigc ]</p>
<strong>The Macintosh WILL NOT be x86 powered any time in the near future. An x86 Mac would not only be "not OS9-bootint", it would not even allow Classic to run. Apple is NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT going to do this. There are still a fair number of Classic/OS 9 Apps that people, although not myself, use with OS X. Besides, Apple is too proud to go x86, people have been skirting around this issue, but I think its the BIGGEST reason not to switch to x86. I for one would abandon the Mac should it go x86. The PowerPC is part of a whole that makes the Mac. The PowerPC is a well designed architecture, just as every other part of the mac is well designed. While Motorola may screw up its development, the people who gave it birth were thinking about what future computing would need. Why do you think it does so well on modern tasks like multimedia? It was designed with these things in mind! The x86 was designed with the thought of driving DOS word processors. It has adapted well because huge sums of money have been thrown at it. Had the same amount been poured into PowerPC desktop chips, who know where we'd be today.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If you think x86 should mean Pentium4, then you are right ... but there are new 64-bit CPUs coming (or already available) that are just loosely x86 compatible (e. g. the Itanium -- which is dog slow if it has to mimick a real x86) and fairly modern. A Itanium based architecture can be modern and performant and does not necessarily have the limitations of current PC-compatible architectures.
What I do not see is MacOSX just running on the same boxes as Windows XP or whetever that will be called in the future.
Switching the CPU would not mean PC-compatible at the same time. Apple can still come up with their proprietary (ok, sorry: well designed and powerful <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> ) architectures in order not to spoil their HW business
[ 10-03-2002: Message edited by: BNOYHTUAWB ]</p>
pessimistic scenario:
The laptops are updated sometime this fall.
The iMac gets an updated mobo at MWSF along with a speed bump:
800-1 GHz G4
133 MHz FSB
Geforce4 MX across the line, 32 MB RAM and 64 MB RAM in high-end iMac.
Other small mods to the mobo.
Perhaps a 19" iMac
Drop in price if LCD and RAM prices cooperate.
Late Jan. or Feb:
Powermacs get a speed bump:
1 GHz, 1.25 GHz, 1.5 GHz.
Same lame-ass mobo.
Optimistic scenario:
This Fall:
Laptops get revised.
iMac gets update:
800-1 GHz G4
133 MHz FSB
Geforce4 MX across the line, 32 MB RAM and 64 MB RAM in high-end iMac.
Other small mods to the mobo.
Perhaps a 19" iMac
Drop in price if LCD and RAM prices cooperate.
MWSF:
New towers based on the GPUL CPU are introduced.
The problem with this scenario is that new Powermacs were just introed, with revised mobos. Would Apple revise a mobo, only to introduced an entirely new GPUL-based mobo in 6 months? I don't know.
It does seem odd that IBM is so far along in GPUL development, and yet Apple won't get their sh!t together for over a year on it.
<strong>
In January we are going to get a new processor and it isn't going to boot to OS9. What that processor is we just don't know yet, but it is going to be a significant jump over what we have at the moment. the 1.25ghz DP is at least 20% faster than any other Mac and that was quite a jump. It is likely that the new processor is going to be just as impressive, and it is going hand in hand with a lot of new graphics cards, and they will all help the mac perform much better.
The future is bright and it isn't Orange!</strong><hr></blockquote>
How I wish I could share your views on Apple's current lineup. You're the first person I know of who is satisfied with 1.25GHz! The current Power Macs are a cruel joke.
<strong>
How I wish I could share your views on Apple's current lineup. You're the first person I know of who is satisfied with 1.25GHz! The current Power Macs are a cruel joke.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I am not satisfied at all. At the moment all my employees have faster Macs than I. I know that Apple is going to make a QL (Quantum leap) so I am sitting here with my DV+450 iMac and G3-300 with a Sonnet G4-500 u/g and rage 128 (Yuk) waiting, I am not attracted by the DP1.25. I mearly said that 20% improvement is a huge jump in performance, and I think it is. If you look at what was on offer in October 2001, a DP G4-800 was top of the range, what is on offer now is much better.
Of course x86 has moved further away in the ensuing months, but that does not mean that Apple has stood still it hasn't.
<strong>I know for certain one product Apple will introduce at MWSF, and it's powered by AMD...
:cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>
That's big news.
:eek:
Not knowing just what AMD's product lines are I can't even venture a guess.
Apple manufactures iMac, eMac, PowerMac, iBook, PowerBook, Xserve and iPod. Which one, or a new product????
Really big news.
I doubt that AMD's Athlon or Hammer will make it into a Mac.
The Mirror Flash seems very intriguing. What might it be put in??? iPod?? new PDA like device???
Just thought, maybe AMD already supplies a processor for the current line up, anyone know??
[ 10-03-2002: Message edited by: rickag ]
[ 10-03-2002: Message edited by: rickag ]</p>
Lets use our brains on this...
Eskimo (unless he knows something else, which I doubt, since he would probably not want to risk his job by blabbing about something bigger than the truth) is playing with you all...
Apple currently ships items with AMD CPUs, and they have done so for quite some time...
Anyone here ever crack open an AirPort and look inside...?!?
I see them every friggin' day! (gotta find a new/bettrer gig) AMDs everywhere! ARGGGHHH!
Funny thing is, our new product is using an embedded PowerPC, running under a linux kernel!
Nobody really wanted to entertain the idea of working with Darwin when I brought it up... ;^(
And they STILL refuse to give me a Mac for my desktop, or replace the server racks with ANYTHING but those Dells...