Gosh, you know what might really impact American phone companies? A big tariff on all phones not Made in America!
Except bringing manufacturing to the US was never the goal - forcing the impacted companies to slide over an envelope was the goal. Enrich a PAC, sponsor an inauguration, hire a family member, buy some crypto, etc..
Business-wise, makes sense for the family organization to do this. Capitalize on popularity and make some money.
No, it doesn’t make sense, because that’s unethical and wrong. It’s why we ask presidents to divest prior to coming into office. It only makes sense if one is void of ethics and doesn’t mind doing wrong.
Is the president involved? I thought his family took it over in 2017. Or is the family not allowed to make a marketing connection to the fact that their father was and is the President? Donald Trump Jr. is not Donald Trump Sr.
You thought wrong. Yes, the president is involved. He is enriching himself while in office, profiting from the very same industries which he affects with tariffs, executive orders and social media posts. He is doing crypto currency deals with foreign countries while making state visits.
Yes, to the extent that we are using British rules of disclosure that demonstrate the complete lie that the President is not in control of the Trump Organization and directly profiting off of whatever money is raised through this latest Trump Org grift.
It used to be considered an honor to serve in high public office, and a person of ethics would not only abide by the rules separating their personal interests from those of the nation, but would go out of their way to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest. Tax returns and financial interests would be disclosed, and personal investments placed into a blind trust. Not so, this president.
You asked "... is the [Trump] family not allowed to make a marketing connection to the fact that their father was and is the President? Donald Trump Jr. is not Donald Trump Sr."
For anyone with a modicum of ethical standards, the answer is clearly and obviously "no, they are not." If the president and his family didn't want to make the sacrifice, he didn't have to run for office. It should be an embarrassment for you to exhibit your own lack of ethical judgement and suggest such behavior is in any way acceptable.
This phone service and deal is not only unethical, it is crass, tasteless, and beneath the dignity of the office. With this phone they are seeking to profit by selling the president's name, the presidency itself, and even the US flag. The "47 Plan" and the $47.45 pricing all make it clear that they aren't selling Don Junior or Eric's name, they are selling the sitting President of the United States.
In addition, the sale of a phone in the midst of a tariff controversy where Trump has specifically called out and threatened Apple, an American company, represents what would be a stunning breach of ethics if we hadn't been trained to expect it from this President. That doesn't make it legal, right, or acceptable, and anyone with any sense of ethics would see that.
“designed and built in the United States.”. I think that most people, even Americans, would consider that wording to mean that a company came up with the design in the USA and that said company then manufactured said device in the USA for sale.
However, I suppose one could say that designing the phone by selecting parts already on the market and then building the phone by having the various parts put together in their final stage in the USA would, technically, qualify.
I mean, if a person ‘designed’ their own prefab house from, say, Sweden, by using a website that lets them pick and choose parts. And then that person arranged for a local builder to put it all together they could claim that they “designed my own house and had it built by a local builder.”
To be fair, a lot of the iPhone is not really custom either. From the displays to usb c ports, much of the device is available to other companies from the same manufacturers.
You're absolutely right. Nothing in the iPhone is original or unique. In fact, every single atom existed long before Apple was a company... and even before actual apples existed. It's all just various combinations of elements. Even the software is just a variation on ones and zeros. Nothing unique there.
Not one for accurately reading a comment, clearly. How one would translate my comment into "Nothing in the iPhone is original or unique" is beyond me.
Business-wise, makes sense for the family organization to do this. Capitalize on popularity and make some money.
No, it doesn’t make sense, because that’s unethical and wrong. It’s why we ask presidents to divest prior to coming into office. It only makes sense if one is void of ethics and doesn’t mind doing wrong.
Is the president involved? I thought his family took it over in 2017. Or is the family not allowed to make a marketing connection to the fact that their father was and is the President? Donald Trump Jr. is not Donald Trump Sr.
You thought wrong. Yes, the president is involved. He is enriching himself while in office, profiting from the very same industries which he affects with tariffs, executive orders and social media posts. He is doing crypto currency deals with foreign countries while making state visits.
Yes, to the extent that we are using British rules of disclosure that demonstrate the complete lie that the President is not in control of the Trump Organization and directly profiting off of whatever money is raised through this latest Trump Org grift.
It used to be considered an honor to serve in high public office, and a person of ethics would not only abide by the rules separating their personal interests from those of the nation, but would go out of their way to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest. Tax returns and financial interests would be disclosed, and personal investments placed into a blind trust. Not so, this president.
You asked "... is the [Trump] family not allowed to make a marketing connection to the fact that their father was and is the President? Donald Trump Jr. is not Donald Trump Sr."
For anyone with a modicum of ethical standards, the answer is clearly and obviously "no, they are not." If the president and his family didn't want to make the sacrifice, he didn't have to run for office. It should be an embarrassment for you to exhibit your own lack of ethical judgement and suggest such behavior is in any way acceptable.
I suggest we don’t have to even go so far as to the unethical nature of these acts, but simply to point out the utter hypocrisy that is everything in MAGA land. What’s good for Trump and Republicans is NEVER, NEVER, NEVER good for Democrats, and yet they see no inconsistency, no illogic, and that is the biggest problem because no matter how well behaved Democrats act, MAGA will never see the light and always give their orange god and party a pass to do whatever they want without restriction. The inability to reason and properly judge reality is absent this group, and that is a fundamental problem that needs attention first and foremost.
Of course the only apps that are allowed on this phone will be sponsored by and for trump. It will contain all sorts of malware and "specialized" software that will track everything the user goes to, every text, every phone call, the complete contents of your Contacts/Mail list, embedded government software that tracks your every step, access to a camera system that identifies everyone around you and of course, allows every user to contact anyone in Russia, Iran, North Korea and every other dictatorship while sending all your information to these countries. Sounds like a great, secure phone an American would want to use. Perfect for the trump government so they don't have to worry about using Signal.
A professional grifter. Robbing any fool that will listen to him. Humanity has failed.
The key here is the “fool,” without whom the entire movement would crumble.
Last I saw, a moderator here was deleting the same kind of posts for attacking politicians. but I guess it only applies to whatever side has the favorable bias. Have some consistency.
If you see something that violates the rules, flag it and moderators will evaluate. We don't see every post all the time, we have work to get done and can't comb through every 50+ comment thread for mild politically motivated insults.
This isn't even what I'd call an attack, more an observation. Anyone that would believe this device is made in the USA is a fool, even more so the ones willing to pay money for it. The current President is the king of grift, selling a Bible and bitcoin even though it's illegal for him to do so.
If this statement is an attack, I'd hate to see what would happen if someone pulled out a real insult. This is too soft a swing for us to address, but I'll flag it and let the other mods decide since you believe I can't judge it myself.
Next time, just flag the comment. Don't make meta comments about comments and moderation. It's against the rules. I don't know why we have to keep reminding someone of the very basic rules that posts here so regularly.
Of course the only apps that are allowed on this phone will be sponsored by and for trump. It will contain all sorts of malware and "specialized" software that will track everything the user goes to, every text, every phone call, the complete contents of your Contacts/Mail list, embedded government software that tracks your every step, access to a camera system that identifies everyone around you and of course, allows every user to contact anyone in Russia, Iran, North Korea and every other dictatorship while sending all your information to these countries. Sounds like a great, secure phone an American would want to use. Perfect for the trump government so they don't have to worry about using Signal.
It probably won’t be that sophisticated, the grift will simply be charging morons and fools 2x (at least) for a gaudy gold phone that signals their fealty to their overlord and king, and the Trump grift machine will already be working on their next corrupt plan to swindle their followers to care about exploiting the existing con any further, rinse and repeat.
Please don't comment on moderation practices. Send an email or direct message to the staff if you've got a comment on moderation practices. Don't waste your time, I'll just delete the comment that violates the rules.
No, it isn't bias. We leave plenty of conservative and liberal posts up that are generalized in nature. Attacking a Senator, President, etc with insults and comments that can't be attributed to the topic will be evaluated and taken down if it crosses a line or doesn't belong in a thread.
However, if a post is about the President creating a grift, lying about whether or not it is made in the US, and people want to point out the grift in the comments, that's fair game.
If you can't tell the difference, just don't comment on political posts. And for those that don't like an individual's post history, just hit the ignore button and let them yell into the void.
Edit: If you don't want to talk to me (fair enough) reach out to Mike.
Please don't comment on moderation practices. Send an email or direct message to the staff if you've got a comment on moderation practices. Don't waste your time, I'll just delete the comment that violates the rules.
No, it isn't bias. We leave plenty of conservative and liberal posts up that are generalized in nature. Attacking a Senator, President, etc with insults and comments that can't be attributed to the topic will be evaluated and taken down if it crosses a line or doesn't belong in a thread.
However, if a post is about the President creating a grift, lying about whether or not it is made in the US, and people want to point out the grift in the comments, that's fair game.
If you can't tell the difference, just don't comment on political posts. And for those that don't like an individual's post history, just hit the ignore button and let them yell into the void.
Edit: If you don't want to talk to me (fair enough) reach out to Mike.
And yes, this is a grift. Without using the current president’s “brand,” there is no market for tacky, $500 gold-colored android phones set to run on a $50/month 20GB phone plan. If that same phone and plan were announced by anybody else without that branding, the business would close before it ever opened. Deadpool sells a comparable phone (minus the crappy gold color) for $150 less, and the same phone plan for $17.45/month less after the half-price introductory period.
Can’t Trump require every federal employee to use his phone? Seems like he will make up something about how safe it is (like really?) and impose some such requirement. A conflict of interest? No…. Of course not. Seems to me he’s creating a product then manufacturing a market. Let’s see… civilian employees alone are estimated at 3 million. At $47 a month each, his company will now gross roughly $150,000,000 a month not including the phone sales. Just insane and disgusting.
This has to be a joke? Surely it's a disgusting conflict of interest. A serving US president to market a phone that aligns with his policies at the same time one that is not truly made in America. Shocking. American's you are being taken for a ride. You get what you voted for, that is for sure,
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It used to be considered an honor to serve in high public office, and a person of ethics would not only abide by the rules separating their personal interests from those of the nation, but would go out of their way to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest. Tax returns and financial interests would be disclosed, and personal investments placed into a blind trust. Not so, this president.
You asked "... is the [Trump] family not allowed to make a marketing connection to the fact that their father was and is the President? Donald Trump Jr. is not Donald Trump Sr."
For anyone with a modicum of ethical standards, the answer is clearly and obviously "no, they are not." If the president and his family didn't want to make the sacrifice, he didn't have to run for office. It should be an embarrassment for you to exhibit your own lack of ethical judgement and suggest such behavior is in any way acceptable.
This phone service and deal is not only unethical, it is crass, tasteless, and beneath the dignity of the office. With this phone they are seeking to profit by selling the president's name, the presidency itself, and even the US flag. The "47 Plan" and the $47.45 pricing all make it clear that they aren't selling Don Junior or Eric's name, they are selling the sitting President of the United States.
In addition, the sale of a phone in the midst of a tariff controversy where Trump has specifically called out and threatened Apple, an American company, represents what would be a stunning breach of ethics if we hadn't been trained to expect it from this President. That doesn't make it legal, right, or acceptable, and anyone with any sense of ethics would see that.
This isn't even what I'd call an attack, more an observation. Anyone that would believe this device is made in the USA is a fool, even more so the ones willing to pay money for it. The current President is the king of grift, selling a Bible and bitcoin even though it's illegal for him to do so.
If this statement is an attack, I'd hate to see what would happen if someone pulled out a real insult. This is too soft a swing for us to address, but I'll flag it and let the other mods decide since you believe I can't judge it myself.
No, it isn't bias. We leave plenty of conservative and liberal posts up that are generalized in nature. Attacking a Senator, President, etc with insults and comments that can't be attributed to the topic will be evaluated and taken down if it crosses a line or doesn't belong in a thread.
However, if a post is about the President creating a grift, lying about whether or not it is made in the US, and people want to point out the grift in the comments, that's fair game.
Edit: If you don't want to talk to me (fair enough) reach out to Mike.
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