What? The service isn't bundled with a MyPillow? Then forget it! I'm OUT!
Seriously, though..."next-generation"? Bundle a bunch of crap we all already have at a pretty high price point and include a crap phone and call it "next generation"?
The website itself is about as cheesy as they come -- like something a 6th-grader put together on a free GoDaddy plan.
A professional grifter. Robbing any fool that will listen to him. Humanity has failed.
The key here is the “fool,” without whom the entire movement would crumble.
Last I saw, a moderator here was deleting the same kind of posts for attacking politicians. but I guess it only applies to whatever side has the favorable bias. Have some consistency.
The "side" is the same side most of the entire world sides with. Sorry you're not on the majority side.
A professional grifter. Robbing any fool that will listen to him. Humanity has failed.
The key here is the “fool,” without whom the entire movement would crumble.
Last I saw, a moderator here was deleting the same kind of posts for attacking politicians. but I guess it only applies to whatever side has the favorable bias. Have some consistency.
Bullshit. I had a couple of my posts removed in one of the recent threads calling out some of Tru*mp's more blatant lies.
The guy is lying through his teeth... again. Well, no surprise there. He's not fit to run a boy scouts group, let alone a country.
Lying about what? Have you heard him speak about this at all?
It's fascinating, if a bit sad, to watch you pivot right here in this thread from acknowledging that this is junk and 'not a good look' to trying really hard to pretend like Donald Trump has nothing to do with it.
Of course he has everything to do with it. If he didn't, shouldn't we expect him to have already stepped up to a podium and declared that in order to protect the integrity of the Office of the President, that he must publicly insist that his sons cease and desist in this crass effort to profit from his presidency? Shouldn't he be saying, as President, he holds the public trust as sacrosanct, and he won't tolerate this or any future efforts to sully the presidency with tacky profiteering schemes? Of course he hasn't said any of that, because this was presented to him and endorsed by him before they went public with it. If he wasn't, he would have been blind-sided and publicly angry about it.
Trump's silence on the matter is part of the problem, not the plausible deniability that you're trying to sell.
I asked a simple objective question. The things some people try to attach to the issue simply have not presented themselves in reality.
Best to stick with facts over conjecture. If it comes out thst this was “45/57” pulling the strings, so be it. But from all available info so far, there appears to be distance there. That’s simple fact.
Yes, it looks like a lame offering. From a lame phone to a service of unknown quality to poor graphic design/web design, and cringeworthy “marketing,” to the whole thing just being an MVNO with a couple third party services attached to your phone bill, it’s just not compelling. And it is a bit cringeworthy.
Is it wrong for the Trump family organization to offer this? Is it wrong to have the marketing loosely but obviously connected to the fact that their dad Donald J Trump is the 45th and 47th president? (The 47 Plan / $47.45, etc) Is it wrong to include “Mske America Great Again” on the phone wallpaper? Doubtful. Is it cringe and unappealing? Sure. I dont disagree.
Why would the president need to be vocal about something he doesn’t have anything to do with? He might think it’s cool his kids are doing their own thing here. And? It’s not like Trump has the best aesthetic taste in the world. Sprinkling gold on everything isn’t aesthetically appealing, nor is his choice of architecture, hairstyle, spray tan, etc. but I’m sure he’s happy his kids have taken some initiative and no doubt is ok with it. Doesn’t mean he’s behind it or is wrong somehow for not getting vocal or involved against it in some other way.
I get that this forum is predominantly hostile toward the president to say the least. And folks such as myself are in the minority here, even having moderators suggest putting such views on “ignore.” And it’s not like the president is perfect. There are plenty of things to disagree on. But nitpicking every little thing snd even nitpicking stuff that just isn’t there is too much. It becomes like the boy who cried wolf. After a while, it just becomes noise.
But this issue is simply the man’s family doing their own thing snd banking on their dads popularity. Trump himself has not been proven to be involved, nor is there any evidence of such that I’ve seen. And I’ve been looking. If that changes, so be it. But let’s stick with the facts for now.
You know what, you're right. There's no evidence that the phone covered in fake gold coloring with the initial of the President, running a service named after the President, focused on promoting an initiative of building in the US created by the President being made by the company the President still controls according to financial filings, has anything to do with the President.
We should all learn to reason this way. we'd all be much happier. He also isn't earning any money from crypto or bible sales and is personal friends with the Easter Bunny.
All that and still no evidence. If it comes out that tje president is pulling the strings on this venture, then you will have some fodder. But it doesn’t appear to be the case at the moment. An initial? *gasp!* the same initial that the guys kids have? Egad.
Each of the other ventures have their own nuance. And they can each be discussed as well. However, The subject of this thread is the new Trump Mobile service. And at least up to now, there is no evidence DJT is running this. Or even involved at all.
From the Trump Mobile site:
TRUMPSM and all associated designs are trademarks of DTTM Operations LLC. TrumpSM Mobile, its products and services are not designed, developed, manufactured, distributed or sold by The TrumpSM Organization or any of their respective affiliates or principals. T1SM Mobile LLC uses the TRUMPSM name and trademark pursuant to the terms of a limited license agreement which may be terminated or revoked according to its terms.
At minimum, Trump Mobile uses the Trump name under license from The Trump Organization. If DJT wants to disassociate himself from this dumpster file, he could easily tell his kids to revoke that license. Failure to do so can be inferred as support.
The guy is lying through his teeth... again. Well, no surprise there. He's not fit to run a boy scouts group, let alone a country.
Lying about what? Have you heard him speak about this at all?
It's fascinating, if a bit sad, to watch you pivot right here in this thread from acknowledging that this is junk and 'not a good look' to trying really hard to pretend like Donald Trump has nothing to do with it.
Of course he has everything to do with it. If he didn't, shouldn't we expect him to have already stepped up to a podium and declared that in order to protect the integrity of the Office of the President, that he must publicly insist that his sons cease and desist in this crass effort to profit from his presidency? Shouldn't he be saying, as President, he holds the public trust as sacrosanct, and he won't tolerate this or any future efforts to sully the presidency with tacky profiteering schemes? Of course he hasn't said any of that, because this was presented to him and endorsed by him before they went public with it. If he wasn't, he would have been blind-sided and publicly angry about it.
Trump's silence on the matter is part of the problem, not the plausible deniability that you're trying to sell.
I asked a simple objective question. The things some people try to attach to the issue simply have not presented themselves in reality.
Best to stick with facts over conjecture. If it comes out thst this was “45/57” pulling the strings, so be it. But from all available info so far, there appears to be distance there. That’s simple fact.
Yes, it looks like a lame offering. From a lame phone to a service of unknown quality to poor graphic design/web design, and cringeworthy “marketing,” to the whole thing just being an MVNO with a couple third party services attached to your phone bill, it’s just not compelling. And it is a bit cringeworthy.
Is it wrong for the Trump family organization to offer this? Is it wrong to have the marketing loosely but obviously connected to the fact that their dad Donald J Trump is the 45th and 47th president? (The 47 Plan / $47.45, etc) Is it wrong to include “Mske America Great Again” on the phone wallpaper? Doubtful. Is it cringe and unappealing? Sure. I dont disagree.
Why would the president need to be vocal about something he doesn’t have anything to do with? He might think it’s cool his kids are doing their own thing here. And? It’s not like Trump has the best aesthetic taste in the world. Sprinkling gold on everything isn’t aesthetically appealing, nor is his choice of architecture, hairstyle, spray tan, etc. but I’m sure he’s happy his kids have taken some initiative and no doubt is ok with it. Doesn’t mean he’s behind it or is wrong somehow for not getting vocal or involved against it in some other way.
I get that this forum is predominantly hostile toward the president to say the least. And folks such as myself are in the minority here, even having moderators suggest putting such views on “ignore.” And it’s not like the president is perfect. There are plenty of things to disagree on. But nitpicking every little thing snd even nitpicking stuff that just isn’t there is too much. It becomes like the boy who cried wolf. After a while, it just becomes noise.
But this issue is simply the man’s family doing their own thing snd banking on their dads popularity. Trump himself has not been proven to be involved, nor is there any evidence of such that I’ve seen. And I’ve been looking. If that changes, so be it. But let’s stick with the facts for now.
You know what, you're right. There's no evidence that the phone covered in fake gold coloring with the initial of the President, running a service named after the President, focused on promoting an initiative of building in the US created by the President being made by the company the President still controls according to financial filings, has anything to do with the President.
We should all learn to reason this way. we'd all be much happier. He also isn't earning any money from crypto or bible sales and is personal friends with the Easter Bunny.
All that and still no evidence. If it comes out that tje president is pulling the strings on this venture, then you will have some fodder. But it doesn’t appear to be the case at the moment. An initial? *gasp!* the same initial that the guys kids have? Egad.
Each of the other ventures have their own nuance. And they can each be discussed as well. However, The subject of this thread is the new Trump Mobile service. And at least up to now, there is no evidence DJT is running this. Or even involved at all.
From the Trump Mobile site:
TRUMPSM and all associated designs are trademarks of DTTM Operations LLC. TrumpSM Mobile, its products and services are not designed, developed, manufactured, distributed or sold by The TrumpSM Organization or any of their respective affiliates or principals. T1SM Mobile LLC uses the TRUMPSM name and trademark pursuant to the terms of a limited license agreement which may be terminated or revoked according to its terms.
At minimum, Trump Mobile uses the Trump name under license from The Trump Organization. If DJT wants to disassociate himself from this dumpster file, he could easily tell his kids to revoke that license. Failure to do so can be inferred as support.
The guy is lying through his teeth... again. Well, no surprise there. He's not fit to run a boy scouts group, let alone a country.
Lying about what? Have you heard him speak about this at all?
It's fascinating, if a bit sad, to watch you pivot right here in this thread from acknowledging that this is junk and 'not a good look' to trying really hard to pretend like Donald Trump has nothing to do with it.
Of course he has everything to do with it. If he didn't, shouldn't we expect him to have already stepped up to a podium and declared that in order to protect the integrity of the Office of the President, that he must publicly insist that his sons cease and desist in this crass effort to profit from his presidency? Shouldn't he be saying, as President, he holds the public trust as sacrosanct, and he won't tolerate this or any future efforts to sully the presidency with tacky profiteering schemes? Of course he hasn't said any of that, because this was presented to him and endorsed by him before they went public with it. If he wasn't, he would have been blind-sided and publicly angry about it.
Trump's silence on the matter is part of the problem, not the plausible deniability that you're trying to sell.
I asked a simple objective question. The things some people try to attach to the issue simply have not presented themselves in reality.
Best to stick with facts over conjecture. If it comes out thst this was “45/57” pulling the strings, so be it. But from all available info so far, there appears to be distance there. That’s simple fact.
Yes, it looks like a lame offering. From a lame phone to a service of unknown quality to poor graphic design/web design, and cringeworthy “marketing,” to the whole thing just being an MVNO with a couple third party services attached to your phone bill, it’s just not compelling. And it is a bit cringeworthy.
Is it wrong for the Trump family organization to offer this? Is it wrong to have the marketing loosely but obviously connected to the fact that their dad Donald J Trump is the 45th and 47th president? (The 47 Plan / $47.45, etc) Is it wrong to include “Mske America Great Again” on the phone wallpaper? Doubtful. Is it cringe and unappealing? Sure. I dont disagree.
Why would the president need to be vocal about something he doesn’t have anything to do with? He might think it’s cool his kids are doing their own thing here. And? It’s not like Trump has the best aesthetic taste in the world. Sprinkling gold on everything isn’t aesthetically appealing, nor is his choice of architecture, hairstyle, spray tan, etc. but I’m sure he’s happy his kids have taken some initiative and no doubt is ok with it. Doesn’t mean he’s behind it or is wrong somehow for not getting vocal or involved against it in some other way.
I get that this forum is predominantly hostile toward the president to say the least. And folks such as myself are in the minority here, even having moderators suggest putting such views on “ignore.” And it’s not like the president is perfect. There are plenty of things to disagree on. But nitpicking every little thing snd even nitpicking stuff that just isn’t there is too much. It becomes like the boy who cried wolf. After a while, it just becomes noise.
But this issue is simply the man’s family doing their own thing snd banking on their dads popularity. Trump himself has not been proven to be involved, nor is there any evidence of such that I’ve seen. And I’ve been looking. If that changes, so be it. But let’s stick with the facts for now.
It's simply either delusional or dishonest to pretend that Donald Trump has nothing to do with this. It has been proven both through documentation and the president's own comments that he is not a disinterested party separated from the control and finances of the Trump Organization.
Setting that aside for the hypothetical, the President would need to be vocal because he is responsible for the Office of the President. Were his own children, while acting to manage his namesake company, independently doing so in a way to crassly profit from the presidency while their father is currently president, he would want to, at the bare minimum, proactively distance himself from it, because it is clearly beneath the dignity of the Office of the President. You can't excuse this by shrugging at Trump's poor aesthetic taste. This isn't wrong because the phone is a tacky gold color. It would still be just as wrong if the phone was a masterpiece of industrial design created by Jony Ive himself. It is a grift, profiteering on the Presidency, which is owned by the American people, not by any past or current occupant. So even if you insist on believing the lie that Donald Trump has nothing to do with it, he absolutely should already be on record objecting to it.
The guy is lying through his teeth... again. Well, no surprise there. He's not fit to run a boy scouts group, let alone a country.
Lying about what? Have you heard him speak about this at all?
It's fascinating, if a bit sad, to watch you pivot right here in this thread from acknowledging that this is junk and 'not a good look' to trying really hard to pretend like Donald Trump has nothing to do with it.
Of course he has everything to do with it. If he didn't, shouldn't we expect him to have already stepped up to a podium and declared that in order to protect the integrity of the Office of the President, that he must publicly insist that his sons cease and desist in this crass effort to profit from his presidency? Shouldn't he be saying, as President, he holds the public trust as sacrosanct, and he won't tolerate this or any future efforts to sully the presidency with tacky profiteering schemes? Of course he hasn't said any of that, because this was presented to him and endorsed by him before they went public with it. If he wasn't, he would have been blind-sided and publicly angry about it.
Trump's silence on the matter is part of the problem, not the plausible deniability that you're trying to sell.
I asked a simple objective question. The things some people try to attach to the issue simply have not presented themselves in reality.
Best to stick with facts over conjecture. If it comes out thst this was “45/57” pulling the strings, so be it. But from all available info so far, there appears to be distance there. That’s simple fact.
Yes, it looks like a lame offering. From a lame phone to a service of unknown quality to poor graphic design/web design, and cringeworthy “marketing,” to the whole thing just being an MVNO with a couple third party services attached to your phone bill, it’s just not compelling. And it is a bit cringeworthy.
Is it wrong for the Trump family organization to offer this? Is it wrong to have the marketing loosely but obviously connected to the fact that their dad Donald J Trump is the 45th and 47th president? (The 47 Plan / $47.45, etc) Is it wrong to include “Mske America Great Again” on the phone wallpaper? Doubtful. Is it cringe and unappealing? Sure. I dont disagree.
Why would the president need to be vocal about something he doesn’t have anything to do with? He might think it’s cool his kids are doing their own thing here. And? It’s not like Trump has the best aesthetic taste in the world. Sprinkling gold on everything isn’t aesthetically appealing, nor is his choice of architecture, hairstyle, spray tan, etc. but I’m sure he’s happy his kids have taken some initiative and no doubt is ok with it. Doesn’t mean he’s behind it or is wrong somehow for not getting vocal or involved against it in some other way.
I get that this forum is predominantly hostile toward the president to say the least. And folks such as myself are in the minority here, even having moderators suggest putting such views on “ignore.” And it’s not like the president is perfect. There are plenty of things to disagree on. But nitpicking every little thing snd even nitpicking stuff that just isn’t there is too much. It becomes like the boy who cried wolf. After a while, it just becomes noise.
But this issue is simply the man’s family doing their own thing snd banking on their dads popularity. Trump himself has not been proven to be involved, nor is there any evidence of such that I’ve seen. And I’ve been looking. If that changes, so be it. But let’s stick with the facts for now.
You know what, you're right. There's no evidence that the phone covered in fake gold coloring with the initial of the President, running a service named after the President, focused on promoting an initiative of building in the US created by the President being made by the company the President still controls according to financial filings, has anything to do with the President.
We should all learn to reason this way. we'd all be much happier. He also isn't earning any money from crypto or bible sales and is personal friends with the Easter Bunny.
All that and still no evidence. If it comes out that tje president is pulling the strings on this venture, then you will have some fodder. But it doesn’t appear to be the case at the moment. An initial? *gasp!* the same initial that the guys kids have? Egad.
Each of the other ventures have their own nuance. And they can each be discussed as well. However, The subject of this thread is the new Trump Mobile service. And at least up to now, there is no evidence DJT is running this. Or even involved at all.
I've got a bridge to sell you. And don't worry, the sun will be back tomorrow.
but in all seriousness, I'm not sure why this is a topic. Who cares. He's still running the trust that handles all of this and he benefits financially. His trademarked name being thrown on random stuff is just another grift. It's illegal, but that doesn't matter to the guy that wipes his ass with the constitution.
Can't wait to see this catastrophic failure of a device blow up in people's faces, literally.
Bro. No need to get emotional. There’s just no evidence the president is behind this. At least not now, if ever.
But seriously. Do yourself a favor and delete both your post that I’m quoting this reply of mine.
That last statement is a very irresponsible thing to say and sounds like you wish violent harm on people simply for supporting this venture of the Trump organization.
As much as we disagree I don’t think that’s your character. You are better than that. Just delete this one and the post I’m quoting you on.
It is a baffling leap that you're going to "That last statement is a very irresponsible thing to say and sounds like you wish violent harm on people simply for supporting this venture of the Trump organization."
We get it, you like Trump, to the point of fealty. Fine, you do you. But, I know you've got the mental skill to avoid the association what Wes said with the wish for violent harm. That is absolutely a ridiculous assessment. You've also got the mental acuity to realize that the president knows about this and is okay with profiteering on the back of selling a shitty Chinese Android phone that probably sells to retailers for $80, for $500.
We've got other confirmations that this is the phone Trump Mobile is using. T-Mobile stopped selling the first version of it for safety reasons, that aren't RF related. What's left?
Seriously, get over yourself. You're not a martyr. Knock it off.
I am not ashamed of support for the president. I voted for the guy. Fealty? LOL. I simply agree with him most of the time. And I am in good and populace company. That doesn't mean I turn my brain off or somehow that I am anathema to an Internet forum that I have been a member of predating all of you.
You have to read what he wrote without a biased viewpoint. The guy literally wrote that he hopes the phones explode ("blow up") in peoples faces. Then he put "literally." Not figuratively. "Literally." It was an objectively irresponsible post. This in the days of actual assassination attempts, people getting bricks thrown at them, having their vehicles burned to the ground, etc.
I had posts removed (by Hilliard) for stuff like this"Liz Warren lied about her ethnicity" and used a popular Native American historical character name for her such as many others have. But Wes over here posts this and you actually DEFEND it? Seriously? It's OK to post you hope some product blows up/explodes in people's literal faces? That's the AppleInsider stance? If anything moderators should be held to a higher standard. But they aren't even held to the same standard as a regular member.
Never said I was a martyr or wherever you are going with that. Sometimes you guys get it wrong. Don't be offended and then go after the little forum member who pointed it out. It's getting to the point of bullying. I would expect this from Wes. Not from you.
You say you have other confirmations about the phone. What are they? Are they more grounded than that guy's X post? Because it's quite clear that most if not all of the actual phone is totally different than the REVVL. If it's the same processors or whatever then what is the big deal. What's the difference between that and what HP, Dell, Sony, Samsung, etc. do? I don't doubt that at least most of it's made in China, if not the whole thing. What seems off is that it's a REVVL with some gold/beige plastic slapped on.
What's funny is that I agree it's a junk phone and a cringeworthy thing to do. But when I don't take that and turn it into some weapon to use against the President, who doesn't seem involved, then I get stuff like this coming down the pike. When I use critical thinking and ask commons sense questions or point out some visual discrepancies, then all of a sudden I get this.
Look, when Wesely and I had our interaction, it was late. I figured no one would see his post and tried to encourage him to take it down, since it sounded pretty bad. I don't dislike Wes. I disagree with him quite a bit. But I thought it was a neighborly thing to do to remind someone who was obviously heated to check himself before he said something he would regret and gave him the chance to take it down. Even encouraged him to delete my response so no one needed to see it. But I guess that kind of thing is somehow bad or a martyr complex.
A professional grifter. Robbing any fool that will listen to him. Humanity has failed.
The key here is the “fool,” without whom the entire movement would crumble.
Last I saw, a moderator here was deleting the same kind of posts for attacking politicians. but I guess it only applies to whatever side has the favorable bias. Have some consistency.
The "side" is the same side most of the entire world sides with. Sorry you're not on the majority side.
Not the majority on this forum. But in the country? See the recent election.
The guy is lying through his teeth... again. Well, no surprise there. He's not fit to run a boy scouts group, let alone a country.
Lying about what? Have you heard him speak about this at all?
It's fascinating, if a bit sad, to watch you pivot right here in this thread from acknowledging that this is junk and 'not a good look' to trying really hard to pretend like Donald Trump has nothing to do with it.
Of course he has everything to do with it. If he didn't, shouldn't we expect him to have already stepped up to a podium and declared that in order to protect the integrity of the Office of the President, that he must publicly insist that his sons cease and desist in this crass effort to profit from his presidency? Shouldn't he be saying, as President, he holds the public trust as sacrosanct, and he won't tolerate this or any future efforts to sully the presidency with tacky profiteering schemes? Of course he hasn't said any of that, because this was presented to him and endorsed by him before they went public with it. If he wasn't, he would have been blind-sided and publicly angry about it.
Trump's silence on the matter is part of the problem, not the plausible deniability that you're trying to sell.
I asked a simple objective question. The things some people try to attach to the issue simply have not presented themselves in reality.
Best to stick with facts over conjecture. If it comes out thst this was “45/57” pulling the strings, so be it. But from all available info so far, there appears to be distance there. That’s simple fact.
Yes, it looks like a lame offering. From a lame phone to a service of unknown quality to poor graphic design/web design, and cringeworthy “marketing,” to the whole thing just being an MVNO with a couple third party services attached to your phone bill, it’s just not compelling. And it is a bit cringeworthy.
Is it wrong for the Trump family organization to offer this? Is it wrong to have the marketing loosely but obviously connected to the fact that their dad Donald J Trump is the 45th and 47th president? (The 47 Plan / $47.45, etc) Is it wrong to include “Mske America Great Again” on the phone wallpaper? Doubtful. Is it cringe and unappealing? Sure. I dont disagree.
Why would the president need to be vocal about something he doesn’t have anything to do with? He might think it’s cool his kids are doing their own thing here. And? It’s not like Trump has the best aesthetic taste in the world. Sprinkling gold on everything isn’t aesthetically appealing, nor is his choice of architecture, hairstyle, spray tan, etc. but I’m sure he’s happy his kids have taken some initiative and no doubt is ok with it. Doesn’t mean he’s behind it or is wrong somehow for not getting vocal or involved against it in some other way.
I get that this forum is predominantly hostile toward the president to say the least. And folks such as myself are in the minority here, even having moderators suggest putting such views on “ignore.” And it’s not like the president is perfect. There are plenty of things to disagree on. But nitpicking every little thing snd even nitpicking stuff that just isn’t there is too much. It becomes like the boy who cried wolf. After a while, it just becomes noise.
But this issue is simply the man’s family doing their own thing snd banking on their dads popularity. Trump himself has not been proven to be involved, nor is there any evidence of such that I’ve seen. And I’ve been looking. If that changes, so be it. But let’s stick with the facts for now.
You know what, you're right. There's no evidence that the phone covered in fake gold coloring with the initial of the President, running a service named after the President, focused on promoting an initiative of building in the US created by the President being made by the company the President still controls according to financial filings, has anything to do with the President.
We should all learn to reason this way. we'd all be much happier. He also isn't earning any money from crypto or bible sales and is personal friends with the Easter Bunny.
All that and still no evidence. If it comes out that tje president is pulling the strings on this venture, then you will have some fodder. But it doesn’t appear to be the case at the moment. An initial? *gasp!* the same initial that the guys kids have? Egad.
Each of the other ventures have their own nuance. And they can each be discussed as well. However, The subject of this thread is the new Trump Mobile service. And at least up to now, there is no evidence DJT is running this. Or even involved at all.
I've got a bridge to sell you. And don't worry, the sun will be back tomorrow.
but in all seriousness, I'm not sure why this is a topic. Who cares. He's still running the trust that handles all of this and he benefits financially. His trademarked name being thrown on random stuff is just another grift. It's illegal, but that doesn't matter to the guy that wipes his ass with the constitution.
Can't wait to see this catastrophic failure of a device blow up in people's faces, literally.
Bro. No need to get emotional. There’s just no evidence the president is behind this. At least not now, if ever.
But seriously. Do yourself a favor and delete both your post that I’m quoting this reply of mine.
That last statement is a very irresponsible thing to say and sounds like you wish violent harm on people simply for supporting this venture of the Trump organization.
As much as we disagree I don’t think that’s your character. You are better than that. Just delete this one and the post I’m quoting you on.
It is a baffling leap that you're going to "That last statement is a very irresponsible thing to say and sounds like you wish violent harm on people simply for supporting this venture of the Trump organization."
We get it, you like Trump, to the point of fealty. Fine, you do you. But, I know you've got the mental skill to avoid the association what Wes said with the wish for violent harm. That is absolutely a ridiculous assessment. You've also got the mental acuity to realize that the president knows about this and is okay with profiteering on the back of selling a shitty Chinese Android phone that probably sells to retailers for $80, for $500.
We've got other confirmations that this is the phone Trump Mobile is using. T-Mobile stopped selling the first version of it for safety reasons, that aren't RF related. What's left?
Seriously, get over yourself. You're not a martyr. Knock it off.
I am not ashamed of support for the president. I voted for the guy. Fealty? LOL. I simply agree with him most of the time. And I am in good and populace company. That doesn't mean I turn my brain off or somehow that I am anathema to an Internet forum that I have been a member of predating all of you.
You have to read what he wrote without a biased viewpoint. The guy literally wrote that he hopes the phones explode ("blow up") in peoples faces. Then he put "literally." Not figuratively. "Literally." It was an objectively irresponsible post. This in the days of actual assassination attempts, people getting bricks thrown at them, having their vehicles burned to the ground, etc.
I had posts removed (by Hilliard) for stuff like this"Liz Warren lied about her ethnicity" and used a popular Native American historical character name for her such as many others have. But Wes over here posts this and you actually DEFEND it? Seriously? It's OK to post you hope some product blows up/explodes in people's literal faces? That's the AppleInsider stance? If anything moderators should be held to a higher standard. But they aren't even held to the same standard as a regular member.
Never said I was a martyr or wherever you are going with that. Sometimes you guys get it wrong. Don't be offended and then go after the little forum member who pointed it out. It's getting to the point of bullying. I would expect this from Wes. Not from you.
You say you have other confirmations about the phone. What are they? Are they more grounded than that guy's X post? Because it's quite clear that most if not all of the actual phone is totally different than the REVVL. If it's the same processors or whatever then what is the big deal. What's the difference between that and what HP, Dell, Sony, Samsung, etc. do? I don't doubt that at least most of it's made in China, if not the whole thing. What seems off is that it's a REVVL with some gold/beige plastic slapped on.
What's funny is that I agree it's a junk phone and a cringeworthy thing to do. But when I don't take that and turn it into some weapon to use against the President, who doesn't seem involved, then I get stuff like this coming down the pike. When I use critical thinking and ask commons sense questions or point out some visual discrepancies, then all of a sudden I get this.
Look, when Wesely and I had our interaction, it was late. I figured no one would see his post and tried to encourage him to take it down, since it sounded pretty bad. I don't dislike Wes. I disagree with him quite a bit. But I thought it was a neighborly thing to do to remind someone who was obviously heated to check himself before he said something he would regret and gave him the chance to take it down. Even encouraged him to delete my response so no one needed to see it. But I guess that kind of thing is somehow bad or a martyr complex.
wow.
I have sources inside Trump Mobile and the supply chain that have confirmed what phone it is to us.
So, yes, we do.
It's laughable that you think this is bullying, it's just as ridiculous as your continued assertion that Wes was wishing harm on anybody. You didn't use "critical thinking," you allowed your fandom of the president to cloud your judgement and defend the guy.
I don't feel that you were being neighborly. I feel that you were crying wolf when you thought you found something objectionable in Wes' post and went straight to "HE'S INCITING VIOLENCE"-- which there wasn't any of., and remains a ridiculous claim.
No true scotsman? Predate all of you? You predate my forum presence here by all of three months. Give me a break. Time on the forums here doesn't mean one single thing, it doesn't make your opinions true, it doesn't give you some kind of anointed crown.
Here. Let me give you one. My first computer was an Apple II. In 1979. That too doesn't mean a single thing.
This avenue of this conversation has concluded. Continue it at your own peril.
In case I need to be clear, this is not a threat of physical violence.
A professional grifter. Robbing any fool that will listen to him. Humanity has failed.
The key here is the “fool,” without whom the entire movement would crumble.
Last I saw, a moderator here was deleting the same kind of posts for attacking politicians. but I guess it only applies to whatever side has the favorable bias. Have some consistency.
The "side" is the same side most of the entire world sides with. Sorry you're not on the majority side.
Not the majority on this forum. But in the country? See the recent election.
Okay, *looks at recent election*
Total number of people in America: 340 million
People that voted for Trump in 2024: 77 million
People that voted for Trump in 2020: 74 million
People that voted for Trump in 2016: 62 million
Wow, he gained some votes over that first run, but that's due to record voter turnout at the last two elections. But majority is not accurate in the least sense. The MAGA movement has been frozen at about 1/5 the population over the past decade. If anything this proves the flaws in the electoral college, but that's a different discussion. Also note that the 2024 election was one of the thinnest margins of victory seen since 2000 and the first popular vote win by a republican since 1988.
Also, no, I don't wish violence on people that buy the Trump phone. lol. I just hope it's an unmitigated failure like the cybertruck. Also, there is some concern about the build quality in a device so cheap that, as Mike pointed out, faced issues before. Maybe consider wearing fire retardant gloves and pants anyway.
A professional grifter. Robbing any fool that will listen to him. Humanity has failed.
The key here is the “fool,” without whom the entire movement would crumble.
Last I saw, a moderator here was deleting the same kind of posts for attacking politicians. but I guess it only applies to whatever side has the favorable bias. Have some consistency.
The "side" is the same side most of the entire world sides with. Sorry you're not on the majority side.
Not the majority on this forum. But in the country? See the recent election.
Okay, *looks at recent election*
Total number of people in America: 340 million
People that voted for Trump in 2024: 77 million
People that voted for Trump in 2020: 74 million
People that voted for Trump in 2016: 62 million
You can't count the total population, as a bunch of those aren't even eligible to vote (due to being underage, and to systematic disenfranchisement of convicted criminals in many states). You also cannot count those who didn't vote, since NOT voting automatically means tacit agreement with whatever the outcome is.
Also, no, I don't wish violence on people that buy the Trump phone. lol. I just hope it's an unmitigated failure like the cybertruck. Also, there is some concern about the build quality in a device so cheap that, as Mike pointed out, faced issues before. Maybe consider wearing fire retardant gloves and pants anyway.
I wish the CyberTruck wasn't a failure. People complain about how it looks, but I never cared. I wanted it to be a truck that lived up to the originally demoed hype and simply be a good pickup truck. It was shown to be incredibly poor in every category.
I put a deposit down for one right after it was announced. I eventually got my deposit back but that was after there were talk of changes being made that I didn't like, the delays that were mounting, and seeing how Musk's antics were escalating. I do feel bad for CyberTruck owners that thought they were getting a quality vehicle in the 6 figure range, especially since the Musk we saw during the demo 5.5 years ago is not the same Musk we saw this past year.
By contrast, Trump has spent multiple decades fleecing customers with silly products and running fake charities and fake schools, failed casinos used only to launder money. Even without getting into all the specific grifting, sexual assault/rape, being besties with Epstein, ignoring the constitution, and the litany of other crimes he's committed, the people that will buy this phone have had this info and simply don't care, so for them I don't care if they get screwed by this phone being another grift the way that guy was upset that the expensive Trump watch he bought for his wife was a cheap Chinese knockoff that said RUMP.
A professional grifter. Robbing any fool that will listen to him. Humanity has failed.
The key here is the “fool,” without whom the entire movement would crumble.
Last I saw, a moderator here was deleting the same kind of posts for attacking politicians. but I guess it only applies to whatever side has the favorable bias. Have some consistency.
The "side" is the same side most of the entire world sides with. Sorry you're not on the majority side.
Not the majority on this forum. But in the country? See the recent election.
Okay, *looks at recent election*
Total number of people in America: 340 million
People that voted for Trump in 2024: 77 million
People that voted for Trump in 2020: 74 million
People that voted for Trump in 2016: 62 million
You can't count the total population, as a bunch of those aren't even eligible to vote (due to being underage, and to systematic disenfranchisement of convicted criminals in many states). You also cannot count those who didn't vote, since NOT voting automatically means tacit agreement with whatever the outcome is.
Total number of votes in 2024: 156 million.
Trump got 49.4% of total votes cast.
You absolutely can count the total populus when someone claims that the majority of the country supports a candidate.
In one sentence you mention "systematic disenfranchisement of convicted criminals in many states" and in the next you state "NOT voting automatically means tacit agreement with whatever the outcome is". Additionally, I know of a lot of people who can't vote due to age that didn't want a felon, rapist, and conman in office. How about the 3.2 million Americans whose permanent residence is Puerto Rico? How can you say that everyone of those people were in "tacit agreement" with Trump winning the election?
Do you not recall that FL changed the voting rights of previously convicted felons, but then Ron DeSantis then targeted and arrested many of those people who voted legally to scare off would-be Democratic voters in the future? I can understand why they would then not want to risk more jail time or even legal fees, and it has nothing to do with not wanting to vote.
How about the voting is set up to disenfranchise those that would not likely vote for a Republican? Things like gerrymandering to simply making voting so difficult that hard working people with families simply can't get the time to cast a vote?
Voting should be fair and balanced but it's unbalanced from the EC down.
A professional grifter. Robbing any fool that will listen to him. Humanity has failed.
The key here is the “fool,” without whom the entire movement would crumble.
Last I saw, a moderator here was deleting the same kind of posts for attacking politicians. but I guess it only applies to whatever side has the favorable bias. Have some consistency.
The "side" is the same side most of the entire world sides with. Sorry you're not on the majority side.
Not the majority on this forum. But in the country? See the recent election.
Okay, *looks at recent election*
Total number of people in America: 340 million
People that voted for Trump in 2024: 77 million
People that voted for Trump in 2020: 74 million
People that voted for Trump in 2016: 62 million
You can't count the total population, as a bunch of those aren't even eligible to vote (due to being underage, and to systematic disenfranchisement of convicted criminals in many states). You also cannot count those who didn't vote, since NOT voting automatically means tacit agreement with whatever the outcome is.
Total number of votes in 2024: 156 million.
Trump got 49.4% of total votes cast.
You absolutely can count the total popular when someone claims that the majority of the country supports a candidate.
In one sentence you mention "systematic disenfranchisement of convicted criminals in many states" and in the next you state "NOT voting automatically means tacit agreement with whatever the outcome is". Additionally, I know of a lot of people who can't vote due to age that didn't want a felon, rapist, and conman in office.
Do you not recall that FL changed the voting rights of previously convicted felons, but then Ron DeSantis then targeted and arrested many of those people who voted legally to scare off would-be Democratic voters in the future? I can understand why they would then not want to risk more jail time or even legal fees, and it has nothing to do with not wanting to vote.
How about the voting is set up to disenfranchise those that would not likely vote for a Republican? Things like Jerry Maundering to simply making voting so difficult that hard working people with families simply can't get the time to cast a vote?
Voting should be fair and balanced but it's unbalanced from the EC down.
Yes, gerrrymandering, random I.D. requirements that aren't communicated in advance, changes in mail-in ballot deadlines, prohibiting passing out of water to voter queues, etc., etc., etc. are undemocratic and should have resulted in righteous outrage years ago. Absolute agreement. That's specifically why I mentioned the systematic disenfranchisement. You can't really "count" those who are systematically disenfranchised, though, because you have no way of knowing how they would vote. (Those who disenfranchised them in the first place probably have an idea, eh.)
You can absolutely NOT count those who made a wilful DECISION not to vote, because that decision means that they DO support whatever the outcome is.
People who couldn't bring themselves to vote for Kamala, nor a third party, like to claim otherwise, but that's how democracy works: You choose not to vote — you agree with whatever happens.
A professional grifter. Robbing any fool that will listen to him. Humanity has failed.
The key here is the “fool,” without whom the entire movement would crumble.
Last I saw, a moderator here was deleting the same kind of posts for attacking politicians. but I guess it only applies to whatever side has the favorable bias. Have some consistency.
The "side" is the same side most of the entire world sides with. Sorry you're not on the majority side.
Not the majority on this forum. But in the country? See the recent election.
Okay, *looks at recent election*
Total number of people in America: 340 million
People that voted for Trump in 2024: 77 million
People that voted for Trump in 2020: 74 million
People that voted for Trump in 2016: 62 million
You can't count the total population, as a bunch of those aren't even eligible to vote (due to being underage, and to systematic disenfranchisement of convicted criminals in many states). You also cannot count those who didn't vote, since NOT voting automatically means tacit agreement with whatever the outcome is.
Total number of votes in 2024: 156 million.
Trump got 49.4% of total votes cast.
You absolutely can count the total popular when someone claims that the majority of the country supports a candidate.
In one sentence you mention "systematic disenfranchisement of convicted criminals in many states" and in the next you state "NOT voting automatically means tacit agreement with whatever the outcome is". Additionally, I know of a lot of people who can't vote due to age that didn't want a felon, rapist, and conman in office.
Do you not recall that FL changed the voting rights of previously convicted felons, but then Ron DeSantis then targeted and arrested many of those people who voted legally to scare off would-be Democratic voters in the future? I can understand why they would then not want to risk more jail time or even legal fees, and it has nothing to do with not wanting to vote.
How about the voting is set up to disenfranchise those that would not likely vote for a Republican? Things like Jerry Maundering to simply making voting so difficult that hard working people with families simply can't get the time to cast a vote?
Voting should be fair and balanced but it's unbalanced from the EC down.
Yes, gerrrymandering, random I.D. requirements that aren't communicated in advance, changes in mail-in ballot deadlines, prohibiting passing out of water to voter queues, etc., etc., etc. are undemocratic and should have resulted in righteous outrage years ago. Absolute agreement. That's specifically why I mentioned the systematic disenfranchisement. You can't really "count" those who are systematically disenfranchised, though, because you have no way of knowing how they would vote. (Those who disenfranchised them in the first place probably have an idea, eh.)
You can absolutely NOT count those who made a wilful DECISION not to vote, because that decision means that they DO support whatever the outcome is.
People who couldn't bring themselves to vote for Kamala, nor a third party, like to claim otherwise, but that's how democracy works: You choose not to vote — you agree with whatever happens.
That's my point, perhaps made less than clearly.
I agree that if you can vote but choose not to vote, vote for a 3rd party that could never win, or if you vote for a candidate that will actively use the office to steal and cheat taxpayers for personal gain then you deserve what happens to the country. For the last one I am enjoying the FAFO videos of Trump supports crying on camera on how their livelihood has been ruined by tariffs or having their work force disband for fear of being deported.
But that's all besides the point when the OP suggested that the majority of the country voted for Trump. A majority of the voters didn't even vote for Trump. What Trump did was get more votes than any other candidate, and while that wouldn't have happened had Citizen United hadn't been enacted, by all reasonable counts it does look like Trump did win the popular vote (for the first time) and the EC vote.
Biden handed over the reigns like a decent leader who believes in democratically elected official should (compare with Trump after he lost in 2020) because the core of this country is democratic even if it's not in the best interest of the people. What Trump has mostly done since he got back in office legally has been illegal, but for all intents and purposes he did get slightly more votes than Harris in the 2024 election.
Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite — Joseph de Maistre
A professional grifter. Robbing any fool that will listen to him. Humanity has failed.
The key here is the “fool,” without whom the entire movement would crumble.
Last I saw, a moderator here was deleting the same kind of posts for attacking politicians. but I guess it only applies to whatever side has the favorable bias. Have some consistency.
The "side" is the same side most of the entire world sides with. Sorry you're not on the majority side.
Not the majority on this forum. But in the country? See the recent election.
Okay, *looks at recent election*
Total number of people in America: 340 million
People that voted for Trump in 2024: 77 million
People that voted for Trump in 2020: 74 million
People that voted for Trump in 2016: 62 million
You can't count the total population, as a bunch of those aren't even eligible to vote (due to being underage, and to systematic disenfranchisement of convicted criminals in many states). You also cannot count those who didn't vote, since NOT voting automatically means tacit agreement with whatever the outcome is.
Total number of votes in 2024: 156 million.
Trump got 49.4% of total votes cast.
You absolutely can count the total popular when someone claims that the majority of the country supports a candidate.
In one sentence you mention "systematic disenfranchisement of convicted criminals in many states" and in the next you state "NOT voting automatically means tacit agreement with whatever the outcome is". Additionally, I know of a lot of people who can't vote due to age that didn't want a felon, rapist, and conman in office.
Do you not recall that FL changed the voting rights of previously convicted felons, but then Ron DeSantis then targeted and arrested many of those people who voted legally to scare off would-be Democratic voters in the future? I can understand why they would then not want to risk more jail time or even legal fees, and it has nothing to do with not wanting to vote.
How about the voting is set up to disenfranchise those that would not likely vote for a Republican? Things like Jerry Maundering to simply making voting so difficult that hard working people with families simply can't get the time to cast a vote?
Voting should be fair and balanced but it's unbalanced from the EC down.
Yes, gerrrymandering, random I.D. requirements that aren't communicated in advance, changes in mail-in ballot deadlines, prohibiting passing out of water to voter queues, etc., etc., etc. are undemocratic and should have resulted in righteous outrage years ago. Absolute agreement. That's specifically why I mentioned the systematic disenfranchisement. You can't really "count" those who are systematically disenfranchised, though, because you have no way of knowing how they would vote. (Those who disenfranchised them in the first place probably have an idea, eh.)
You can absolutely NOT count those who made a wilful DECISION not to vote, because that decision means that they DO support whatever the outcome is.
People who couldn't bring themselves to vote for Kamala, nor a third party, like to claim otherwise, but that's how democracy works: You choose not to vote — you agree with whatever happens.
That's my point, perhaps made less than clearly.
Those who took the steps to disenfranchise voters have meticulously done so based on probabilities projecting how those targeted for disenfranchisement will likely vote. That's the whole point of the exercise. You literally do have a way of knowing how they would likely vote, because they were disenfranchised for the express purpose of preventing them from casting those votes. Making assumptions based on those same predictive probabilities is fair game.
A professional grifter. Robbing any fool that will listen to him. Humanity has failed.
The key here is the “fool,” without whom the entire movement would crumble.
Last I saw, a moderator here was deleting the same kind of posts for attacking politicians. but I guess it only applies to whatever side has the favorable bias. Have some consistency.
The "side" is the same side most of the entire world sides with. Sorry you're not on the majority side.
Not the majority on this forum. But in the country? See the recent election.
Trump got 49.8% of the vote. So the majority didn't It vote for him, they voted for someone else. Further, his approval rating is 46%.
That you had no regard for the truth and just stated what you would like to be true is probably why you are such a fan. You both have that in common.
The guy is lying through his teeth... again. Well, no surprise there. He's not fit to run a boy scouts group, let alone a country.
Lying about what? Have you heard him speak about this at all?
It's fascinating, if a bit sad, to watch you pivot right here in this thread from acknowledging that this is junk and 'not a good look' to trying really hard to pretend like Donald Trump has nothing to do with it.
Of course he has everything to do with it. If he didn't, shouldn't we expect him to have already stepped up to a podium and declared that in order to protect the integrity of the Office of the President, that he must publicly insist that his sons cease and desist in this crass effort to profit from his presidency? Shouldn't he be saying, as President, he holds the public trust as sacrosanct, and he won't tolerate this or any future efforts to sully the presidency with tacky profiteering schemes? Of course he hasn't said any of that, because this was presented to him and endorsed by him before they went public with it. If he wasn't, he would have been blind-sided and publicly angry about it.
Trump's silence on the matter is part of the problem, not the plausible deniability that you're trying to sell.
I asked a simple objective question. The things some people try to attach to the issue simply have not presented themselves in reality.
Best to stick with facts over conjecture. If it comes out thst this was “45/57” pulling the strings, so be it. But from all available info so far, there appears to be distance there. That’s simple fact.
Yes, it looks like a lame offering. From a lame phone to a service of unknown quality to poor graphic design/web design, and cringeworthy “marketing,” to the whole thing just being an MVNO with a couple third party services attached to your phone bill, it’s just not compelling. And it is a bit cringeworthy.
Is it wrong for the Trump family organization to offer this? Is it wrong to have the marketing loosely but obviously connected to the fact that their dad Donald J Trump is the 45th and 47th president? (The 47 Plan / $47.45, etc) Is it wrong to include “Mske America Great Again” on the phone wallpaper? Doubtful. Is it cringe and unappealing? Sure. I dont disagree.
Why would the president need to be vocal about something he doesn’t have anything to do with? He might think it’s cool his kids are doing their own thing here. And? It’s not like Trump has the best aesthetic taste in the world. Sprinkling gold on everything isn’t aesthetically appealing, nor is his choice of architecture, hairstyle, spray tan, etc. but I’m sure he’s happy his kids have taken some initiative and no doubt is ok with it. Doesn’t mean he’s behind it or is wrong somehow for not getting vocal or involved against it in some other way.
I get that this forum is predominantly hostile toward the president to say the least. And folks such as myself are in the minority here, even having moderators suggest putting such views on “ignore.” And it’s not like the president is perfect. There are plenty of things to disagree on. But nitpicking every little thing snd even nitpicking stuff that just isn’t there is too much. It becomes like the boy who cried wolf. After a while, it just becomes noise.
But this issue is simply the man’s family doing their own thing snd banking on their dads popularity. Trump himself has not been proven to be involved, nor is there any evidence of such that I’ve seen. And I’ve been looking. If that changes, so be it. But let’s stick with the facts for now.
You know what, you're right. There's no evidence that the phone covered in fake gold coloring with the initial of the President, running a service named after the President, focused on promoting an initiative of building in the US created by the President being made by the company the President still controls according to financial filings, has anything to do with the President.
We should all learn to reason this way. we'd all be much happier. He also isn't earning any money from crypto or bible sales and is personal friends with the Easter Bunny.
All that and still no evidence. If it comes out that tje president is pulling the strings on this venture, then you will have some fodder. But it doesn’t appear to be the case at the moment. An initial? *gasp!* the same initial that the guys kids have? Egad.
Each of the other ventures have their own nuance. And they can each be discussed as well. However, The subject of this thread is the new Trump Mobile service. And at least up to now, there is no evidence DJT is running this. Or even involved at all.
I've got a bridge to sell you. And don't worry, the sun will be back tomorrow.
but in all seriousness, I'm not sure why this is a topic. Who cares. He's still running the trust that handles all of this and he benefits financially. His trademarked name being thrown on random stuff is just another grift. It's illegal, but that doesn't matter to the guy that wipes his ass with the constitution.
Can't wait to see this catastrophic failure of a device blow up in people's faces, literally.
Bro. No need to get emotional. There’s just no evidence the president is behind this. At least not now, if ever.
But seriously. Do yourself a favor and delete both your post that I’m quoting this reply of mine.
That last statement is a very irresponsible thing to say and sounds like you wish violent harm on people simply for supporting this venture of the Trump organization.
As much as we disagree I don’t think that’s your character. You are better than that. Just delete this one and the post I’m quoting you on.
It is a baffling leap that you're going to "That last statement is a very irresponsible thing to say and sounds like you wish violent harm on people simply for supporting this venture of the Trump organization."
We get it, you like Trump, to the point of fealty. Fine, you do you. But, I know you've got the mental skill to avoid the association what Wes said with the wish for violent harm. That is absolutely a ridiculous assessment. You've also got the mental acuity to realize that the president knows about this and is okay with profiteering on the back of selling a shitty Chinese Android phone that probably sells to retailers for $80, for $500.
We've got other confirmations that this is the phone Trump Mobile is using. T-Mobile stopped selling the first version of it for safety reasons, that aren't RF related. What's left?
Seriously, get over yourself. You're not a martyr. Knock it off.
I am not ashamed of support for the president. I voted for the guy. Fealty? LOL. I simply agree with him most of the time. And I am in good and populace company. That doesn't mean I turn my brain off or somehow that I am anathema to an Internet forum that I have been a member of predating all of you.
You have to read what he wrote without a biased viewpoint. The guy literally wrote that he hopes the phones explode ("blow up") in peoples faces. Then he put "literally." Not figuratively. "Literally." It was an objectively irresponsible post. This in the days of actual assassination attempts, people getting bricks thrown at them, having their vehicles burned to the ground, etc.
I had posts removed (by Hilliard) for stuff like this"Liz Warren lied about her ethnicity" and used a popular Native American historical character name for her such as many others have. But Wes over here posts this and you actually DEFEND it? Seriously? It's OK to post you hope some product blows up/explodes in people's literal faces? That's the AppleInsider stance? If anything moderators should be held to a higher standard. But they aren't even held to the same standard as a regular member.
Never said I was a martyr or wherever you are going with that. Sometimes you guys get it wrong. Don't be offended and then go after the little forum member who pointed it out. It's getting to the point of bullying. I would expect this from Wes. Not from you.
You say you have other confirmations about the phone. What are they? Are they more grounded than that guy's X post? Because it's quite clear that most if not all of the actual phone is totally different than the REVVL. If it's the same processors or whatever then what is the big deal. What's the difference between that and what HP, Dell, Sony, Samsung, etc. do? I don't doubt that at least most of it's made in China, if not the whole thing. What seems off is that it's a REVVL with some gold/beige plastic slapped on.
What's funny is that I agree it's a junk phone and a cringeworthy thing to do. But when I don't take that and turn it into some weapon to use against the President, who doesn't seem involved, then I get stuff like this coming down the pike. When I use critical thinking and ask commons sense questions or point out some visual discrepancies, then all of a sudden I get this.
Look, when Wesely and I had our interaction, it was late. I figured no one would see his post and tried to encourage him to take it down, since it sounded pretty bad. I don't dislike Wes. I disagree with him quite a bit. But I thought it was a neighborly thing to do to remind someone who was obviously heated to check himself before he said something he would regret and gave him the chance to take it down. Even encouraged him to delete my response so no one needed to see it. But I guess that kind of thing is somehow bad or a martyr complex.
wow.
Repeating the same bullish*t point does not make it true. The President is fully involved in the Trump Organization, which is behind the scam phone and phone plan. It's demonstrated through documentation and his own words. Pretending that he is not involved is either embarrassingly naïve, or just lying. You choose.
A professional grifter. Robbing any fool that will listen to him. Humanity has failed.
The key here is the “fool,” without whom the entire movement would crumble.
Last I saw, a moderator here was deleting the same kind of posts for attacking politicians. but I guess it only applies to whatever side has the favorable bias. Have some consistency.
The "side" is the same side most of the entire world sides with. Sorry you're not on the majority side.
Not the majority on this forum. But in the country? See the recent election.
The majority of your country didn’t vote in your election. Millions of those because you all actively disenfranchise voters as a way of winning. So the claim any US president had majority support does not stand.
Indeed the active disenfranchisement of voters and the fact that the system is moving towards more disenfranchisement not less is why you are a failed democracy on the international index.
Math doesn’t support a claim of majority even in a sound democracy
A professional grifter. Robbing any fool that will listen to him. Humanity has failed.
The key here is the “fool,” without whom the entire movement would crumble.
Last I saw, a moderator here was deleting the same kind of posts for attacking politicians. but I guess it only applies to whatever side has the favorable bias. Have some consistency.
The "side" is the same side most of the entire world sides with. Sorry you're not on the majority side.
Not the majority on this forum. But in the country? See the recent election.
Trump got 49.8% of the vote. So the majority didn't It vote for him, they voted for someone else. Further, his approval rating is 46%.
That you had no regard for the truth and just stated what you would like to be true is probably why you are such a fan. You both have that in common.
the majority certainly did vote for him. It was a three-way race. He received more votes than any of the other two.
If it were a two way race, then he’d have lost with under 50%. But split the voter turnout three ways, and he got the majority. Which is simple fact.
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Seriously, though..."next-generation"? Bundle a bunch of crap we all already have at a pretty high price point and include a crap phone and call it "next generation"?
The website itself is about as cheesy as they come -- like something a 6th-grader put together on a free GoDaddy plan.
Just another day in the Trump grift.
At minimum, Trump Mobile uses the Trump name under license from The Trump Organization. If DJT wants to disassociate himself from this dumpster file, he could easily tell his kids to revoke that license. Failure to do so can be inferred as support.
Setting that aside for the hypothetical, the President would need to be vocal because he is responsible for the Office of the President. Were his own children, while acting to manage his namesake company, independently doing so in a way to crassly profit from the presidency while their father is currently president, he would want to, at the bare minimum, proactively distance himself from it, because it is clearly beneath the dignity of the Office of the President. You can't excuse this by shrugging at Trump's poor aesthetic taste. This isn't wrong because the phone is a tacky gold color. It would still be just as wrong if the phone was a masterpiece of industrial design created by Jony Ive himself. It is a grift, profiteering on the Presidency, which is owned by the American people, not by any past or current occupant. So even if you insist on believing the lie that Donald Trump has nothing to do with it, he absolutely should already be on record objecting to it.
You have to read what he wrote without a biased viewpoint. The guy literally wrote that he hopes the phones explode ("blow up") in peoples faces. Then he put "literally." Not figuratively. "Literally." It was an objectively irresponsible post. This in the days of actual assassination attempts, people getting bricks thrown at them, having their vehicles burned to the ground, etc.
I had posts removed (by Hilliard) for stuff like this"Liz Warren lied about her ethnicity" and used a popular Native American historical character name for her such as many others have. But Wes over here posts this and you actually DEFEND it? Seriously? It's OK to post you hope some product blows up/explodes in people's literal faces? That's the AppleInsider stance? If anything moderators should be held to a higher standard. But they aren't even held to the same standard as a regular member.
Never said I was a martyr or wherever you are going with that. Sometimes you guys get it wrong. Don't be offended and then go after the little forum member who pointed it out. It's getting to the point of bullying. I would expect this from Wes. Not from you.
You say you have other confirmations about the phone. What are they? Are they more grounded than that guy's X post? Because it's quite clear that most if not all of the actual phone is totally different than the REVVL. If it's the same processors or whatever then what is the big deal. What's the difference between that and what HP, Dell, Sony, Samsung, etc. do? I don't doubt that at least most of it's made in China, if not the whole thing. What seems off is that it's a REVVL with some gold/beige plastic slapped on.
What's funny is that I agree it's a junk phone and a cringeworthy thing to do. But when I don't take that and turn it into some weapon to use against the President, who doesn't seem involved, then I get stuff like this coming down the pike. When I use critical thinking and ask commons sense questions or point out some visual discrepancies, then all of a sudden I get this.
Look, when Wesely and I had our interaction, it was late. I figured no one would see his post and tried to encourage him to take it down, since it sounded pretty bad. I don't dislike Wes. I disagree with him quite a bit. But I thought it was a neighborly thing to do to remind someone who was obviously heated to check himself before he said something he would regret and gave him the chance to take it down. Even encouraged him to delete my response so no one needed to see it. But I guess that kind of thing is somehow bad or a martyr complex.
wow.
Not the majority on this forum. But in the country? See the recent election.
So, yes, we do.
It's laughable that you think this is bullying, it's just as ridiculous as your continued assertion that Wes was wishing harm on anybody. You didn't use "critical thinking," you allowed your fandom of the president to cloud your judgement and defend the guy.
I don't feel that you were being neighborly. I feel that you were crying wolf when you thought you found something objectionable in Wes' post and went straight to "HE'S INCITING VIOLENCE"-- which there wasn't any of., and remains a ridiculous claim.
People that voted for Trump in 2024: 77 million
People that voted for Trump in 2020: 74 million
People that voted for Trump in 2016: 62 million
Wow, he gained some votes over that first run, but that's due to record voter turnout at the last two elections. But majority is not accurate in the least sense. The MAGA movement has been frozen at about 1/5 the population over the past decade. If anything this proves the flaws in the electoral college, but that's a different discussion. Also note that the 2024 election was one of the thinnest margins of victory seen since 2000 and the first popular vote win by a republican since 1988.
Also, no, I don't wish violence on people that buy the Trump phone. lol. I just hope it's an unmitigated failure like the cybertruck. Also, there is some concern about the build quality in a device so cheap that, as Mike pointed out, faced issues before. Maybe consider wearing fire retardant gloves and pants anyway.
Trump got 49.4% of total votes cast.
I put a deposit down for one right after it was announced. I eventually got my deposit back but that was after there were talk of changes being made that I didn't like, the delays that were mounting, and seeing how Musk's antics were escalating. I do feel bad for CyberTruck owners that thought they were getting a quality vehicle in the 6 figure range, especially since the Musk we saw during the demo 5.5 years ago is not the same Musk we saw this past year.
By contrast, Trump has spent multiple decades fleecing customers with silly products and running fake charities and fake schools, failed casinos used only to launder money. Even without getting into all the specific grifting, sexual assault/rape, being besties with Epstein, ignoring the constitution, and the litany of other crimes he's committed, the people that will buy this phone have had this info and simply don't care, so for them I don't care if they get screwed by this phone being another grift the way that guy was upset that the expensive Trump watch he bought for his wife was a cheap Chinese knockoff that said RUMP.
In one sentence you mention "systematic disenfranchisement of convicted criminals in many states" and in the next you state "NOT voting automatically means tacit agreement with whatever the outcome is". Additionally, I know of a lot of people who can't vote due to age that didn't want a felon, rapist, and conman in office. How about the 3.2 million Americans whose permanent residence is Puerto Rico? How can you say that everyone of those people were in "tacit agreement" with Trump winning the election?
Do you not recall that FL changed the voting rights of previously convicted felons, but then Ron DeSantis then targeted and arrested many of those people who voted legally to scare off would-be Democratic voters in the future? I can understand why they would then not want to risk more jail time or even legal fees, and it has nothing to do with not wanting to vote.
How about the voting is set up to disenfranchise those that would not likely vote for a Republican? Things like gerrymandering to simply making voting so difficult that hard working people with families simply can't get the time to cast a vote?
Voting should be fair and balanced but it's unbalanced from the EC down.
But that's all besides the point when the OP suggested that the majority of the country voted for Trump. A majority of the voters didn't even vote for Trump. What Trump did was get more votes than any other candidate, and while that wouldn't have happened had Citizen United hadn't been enacted, by all reasonable counts it does look like Trump did win the popular vote (for the first time) and the EC vote.
Biden handed over the reigns like a decent leader who believes in democratically elected official should (compare with Trump after he lost in 2020) because the core of this country is democratic even if it's not in the best interest of the people. What Trump has mostly done since he got back in office legally has been illegal, but for all intents and purposes he did get slightly more votes than Harris in the 2024 election.
Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite — Joseph de Maistre
That you had no regard for the truth and just stated what you would like to be true is probably why you are such a fan. You both have that in common.