Trump: doing everything possible to destroy this economy and what’s left of the middle class. It without help from the democrats, tho. We wouldn’t be in this position if they actually had a backbone.
They have none most just want to get along also many are also part of the upper division, it’s only been 52 years since Kissinger and Nixon asked China to join the great dance, if we don’t wake up and put differences aside and start concentrating on real infrastructure, (and I don’t mean just make a few people richer we already do a very good job at that), our future will be a Brexit future.
Ultimately, there is no point accepting anything Trump say as fact or truthful and he’ll change his mind when it suits him. He only wants to cause chaos from which he personally profits.
As we’ve seen in this admin, things are always in motion and never stuck in the mud.
So we will see how these deals turn out for the long term benefit of America.
But one thing is for certain: something msjor had to be done. Constantly losing ground to other nations was not sustainable. Sure, you might get a cheaper iPhone today, but you may not even be able to get an iPhone tomorrow.
I’ll take long term over short term any day.
Except, there's no long-term gain to be had, and just more wealth shifting up away from the middle class to the upper on this path.
If he really wanted to restore manufacturing to the US, he'd fund education to the maximum extent possible. We do not have the manufacturing manpower base or educated populace needed to do this!
He and his party are doing the opposite.
"Things are always in motion" is not a good thing for international trade relations or US businesses that don't know what to expect, or budget for, on a day-to-day basis.
Manpower is fully available. Have you looked at the unemployment rates? Education is a matter of training. Unfortunately, much of what passes for education today has little to do with reading, writing, and arithmetic. That’s thanks to a partisan led federal education department. The states do a better job. Almost anyone can learn how to do repetitive things, no matter how detailed. The key is starting. Sure it takes time. But it never happens unless you start. A lot of unemployed people today would love to have these jobs.
Manufacturers have been struggling to fill the jobs they already have. According to the Bureau of Labor and Statistics there have been over half a million open manufacturing jobs for a while. Further, in 2024, 65% of manufacturing firms have said that recruiting and retaining workers was their number 1 business challenge. Your claim that manpower is fully available is simply made up. The available data and manufactures tell a completely different story. Also, that you see manufacturing as simply doing "repetitive things" shows how little you actually know are about the sector. That was certainly true in the 1940s and 50s but the world has changed. Machinery and processes are far more sophisticated and require skill and education. The hardest skills to find are the ones that maintain and fix equipment. It takes one to two years to teach those skills and another one to two years to contextualize those skills to the specific plant environment. If we take your grossly simplified "The key is starting", then what has this administration done to start? The answer is, nothing. In your idealized world a company will now have to carry the investment costs related to training people over years while they also pay tariffs. This whole situation has raised the cost of trying to manufacture in the U.S. rather than making it easier.
This fantasy where tariffs make it expensive to manufacture overseas so companies start producing more in the U.S. is just disconnected from reality. If we can't fill the jobs we have how are we going to fill a bunch more? All we are doing is making things more expensive.
Also, federal education department? Nothing says "I have no idea what I'm talking about" like making up a new governmental department. There is a United States Department of Education and they having nothing to do with setting educational curriculum, that is the responsibility of the states. The Department of Education manages financial aid, collect general data on schools, disseminate research and ensure equal access to education. You claim that schools don't focus on reading, writing and arithmetic is just straight up bullish!t. My kid graduated from high school last year and I can assure you that they spent 12 years learning reading, writing, arithmetic and history.
I'm genuinely curious, do you just make this stuff up out of thin air or do you hear talking points and lack the critical thought skills to verify them? Everything I posted here from the number of unfilled manufacturing jobs to what the Department of Education is actually called and what they actually do takes minutes to find with a web search. Why you concisely embarrass yourself with false claims is beyond me.
As we’ve seen in this admin, things are always in motion and never stuck in the mud.
So we will see how these deals turn out for the long term benefit of America.
But one thing is for certain: something msjor had to be done. Constantly losing ground to other nations was not sustainable. Sure, you might get a cheaper iPhone today, but you may not even be able to get an iPhone tomorrow.
I’ll take long term over short term any day.
Except, there's no long-term gain to be had, and just more wealth shifting up away from the middle class to the upper on this path.
If he really wanted to restore manufacturing to the US, he'd fund education to the maximum extent possible. We do not have the manufacturing manpower base or educated populace needed to do this!
He and his party are doing the opposite.
"Things are always in motion" is not a good thing for international trade relations or US businesses that don't know what to expect, or budget for, on a day-to-day basis.
It’s been 5 months. And the tarriffs less than that. And deals still in motion. Can hardly conclude what you’re saying from that.
Is it possible it doesn’t work as hoped? Sure. We live in an uncertain and imperfect world full of people acting in bad faith, etc. but is it worth a shot? 100%. The alternative is to continue to decline. One way it’s much closer to certainty of success is if one group of people stop attacking the guy every time he breathes, and gets behind what’s obviously a noble goal, things would go much smoother and have a better outcome.
Manpower is fully available. Have you looked at the unemployment rates? Education is a matter of training. Unfortunately, much of what passes for education today has little to do with reading, writing, and arithmetic. That’s thanks to a partisan led federal education department. The states do a better job. Almost anyone can learn how to do repetitive things, no matter how detailed. The key is starting. Sure it takes time. But it never happens unless you start. A lot of unemployed people today would love to have these jobs.
Things being in motion refers to the agility of the current admin and their near unprecedented ability to pivot in an instant, constantly evaluating and executing. Not just rolling with something bevause they already were heading in that direction. If it’s not advancing favorably, the smart thing to do is pivot. And keeping things in motion also helps guard against letting bad faith heads of state pin them down to bad deals.
China is tough. Bevause of the usa pressing the “easy button” decades ago, we have built up an enemy into being a major force on the world stage. It will not be easy to wean off of the “cheap” Chinese manufacturing, but it will be the wise thing to get started on. If not, the ISA will just keep declining until it’s no longer the superpower it has been. If the answer is not what the President is doing, it’s certainly not also the status quo - or worse, pouring even more money into our adversaries - or even other economies in general.
"The alternative is to continue to decline." I reject this premise. If we're talking about a goal of increasing tech manufacturing in the United States, there are endless alternatives to Trump's recklessness. Many of those involve long-term planning of different pieces of a complex puzzle, and taking coordinated, well-thought-out actions to implement the needed requisite changes.
"Things being in motion refers to the agility of the current admin and their near unprecedented ability to pivot in an instant, constantly evaluating and executing." I also reject this premise. The president is impulsive, petty and narcissistic, and is surrounded by incompetent sycophants. This results in uninformed declarations and fiats, followed by unforced errors, undesired outcomes, and abrupt changes in direction based on whoever was last in the room to fluff up the presidential ego and then make a suggestion. There is no evidence to support the spin that these are brilliant strategists and tacticians, evaluating, pivoting and executing. This administration is the West Wing Keystone Cops, playing bumper cars on the White House lawn.
As we’ve seen in this admin, things are always in motion and never stuck in the mud.
So we will see how these deals turn out for the long term benefit of America.
But one thing is for certain: something msjor had to be done. Constantly losing ground to other nations was not sustainable. Sure, you might get a cheaper iPhone today, but you may not even be able to get an iPhone tomorrow.
I’ll take long term over short term any day.
Except, there's no long-term gain to be had, and just more wealth shifting up away from the middle class to the upper on this path.
If he really wanted to restore manufacturing to the US, he'd fund education to the maximum extent possible. We do not have the manufacturing manpower base or educated populace needed to do this!
He and his party are doing the opposite.
"Things are always in motion" is not a good thing for international trade relations or US businesses that don't know what to expect, or budget for, on a day-to-day basis.
It’s been 5 months. And the tarriffs less than that. And deals still in motion. Can hardly conclude what you’re saying from that.
Is it possible it doesn’t work as hoped? Sure. We live in an uncertain and imperfect world full of people acting in bad faith, etc. but is it worth a shot? 100%. The alternative is to continue to decline. One way it’s much closer to certainty of success is if one group of people stop attacking the guy every time he breathes, and gets behind what’s obviously a noble goal, things would go much smoother and have a better outcome.
Manpower is fully available. Have you looked at the unemployment rates? Education is a matter of training. Unfortunately, much of what passes for education today has little to do with reading, writing, and arithmetic. That’s thanks to a partisan led federal education department. The states do a better job. Almost anyone can learn how to do repetitive things, no matter how detailed. The key is starting. Sure it takes time. But it never happens unless you start. A lot of unemployed people today would love to have these jobs.
Things being in motion refers to the agility of the current admin and their near unprecedented ability to pivot in an instant, constantly evaluating and executing.Not just rolling with something bevause they already were heading in that direction. If it’s not advancing favorably, the smart thing to do is pivot. And keeping things in motion also helps guard against letting bad faith heads of state pin them down to bad deals.
China is tough. Bevause of the usa pressing the “easy button” decades ago, we have built up an enemy into being a major force on the world stage. It will not be easy to wean off of the “cheap” Chinese manufacturing, but it will be the wise thing to get started on. If not, the ISA will just keep declining until it’s no longer the superpower it has been. If the answer is not what the President is doing, it’s certainly not also the status quo - or worse, pouring even more money into our adversaries - or even other economies in general.
Bold and italics mine. This is a ridiculous assessment of what this administration does. Fire, Ready, Fire, with no "aim" step and a "ready, fire" sequence out of order is no way to run a global trade program, much less a lemonade stand. There's no plan. There's just a hope that this will work, and design to shift money up and out of the middle class.
I'm with you on "China is tough." But, that's about all in this few paragraphs that I agree with. High tech US manufacturing that the CHIPS act started is not going well, and that's been years. The US has been cutting funding to education in a bipartisan effort for half a century. No education effort. No "Almost anyone can learn how to do repetitive things, no matter how detailed" effort.
Look up "No child left behind" and where we are now, and which administration started the requirement to educate for tests, not for learning, and tell me it's a partisan-led federal education department. The states do not do a better job, and there's no realistic way you can say that.
Penalizing US businesses and therefore US consumers to do this isn't the way to do it. Not funding education and further cutting for the umpteenth time with the big beautiful bill is not the way to do it.
Could it work? Maybe. Is it likely to? No.
It's more likely to crush small businesses in favor of the big ones, and drive the middle class deeper into debt.
As we’ve seen in this admin, things are always in motion and never stuck in the mud.
So we will see how these deals turn out for the long term benefit of America.
But one thing is for certain: something msjor had to be done. Constantly losing ground to other nations was not sustainable. Sure, you might get a cheaper iPhone today, but you may not even be able to get an iPhone tomorrow.
I’ll take long term over short term any day.
Except, there's no long-term gain to be had, and just more wealth shifting up away from the middle class to the upper on this path.
If he really wanted to restore manufacturing to the US, he'd fund education to the maximum extent possible. We do not have the manufacturing manpower base or educated populace needed to do this!
He and his party are doing the opposite.
"Things are always in motion" is not a good thing for international trade relations or US businesses that don't know what to expect, or budget for, on a day-to-day basis.
It’s been 5 months. And the tarriffs less than that. And deals still in motion. Can hardly conclude what you’re saying from that.
Is it possible it doesn’t work as hoped? Sure. We live in an uncertain and imperfect world full of people acting in bad faith, etc. but is it worth a shot? 100%. The alternative is to continue to decline. One way it’s much closer to certainty of success is if one group of people stop attacking the guy every time he breathes, and gets behind what’s obviously a noble goal, things would go much smoother and have a better outcome.
Manpower is fully available. Have you looked at the unemployment rates? Education is a matter of training. Unfortunately, much of what passes for education today has little to do with reading, writing, and arithmetic. That’s thanks to a partisan led federal education department. The states do a better job. Almost anyone can learn how to do repetitive things, no matter how detailed. The key is starting. Sure it takes time. But it never happens unless you start. A lot of unemployed people today would love to have these jobs.
Things being in motion refers to the agility of the current admin and their near unprecedented ability to pivot in an instant, constantly evaluating and executing.Not just rolling with something bevause they already were heading in that direction. If it’s not advancing favorably, the smart thing to do is pivot. And keeping things in motion also helps guard against letting bad faith heads of state pin them down to bad deals.
China is tough. Bevause of the usa pressing the “easy button” decades ago, we have built up an enemy into being a major force on the world stage. It will not be easy to wean off of the “cheap” Chinese manufacturing, but it will be the wise thing to get started on. If not, the ISA will just keep declining until it’s no longer the superpower it has been. If the answer is not what the President is doing, it’s certainly not also the status quo - or worse, pouring even more money into our adversaries - or even other economies in general.
Bold and italics mine. This is a ridiculous assessment of what this administration does. Fire, Ready, Fire, with no "aim" step and a "ready, fire" sequence out of order is no way to run a global trade program, much less a lemonade stand. There's no plan. There's just a hope that this will work, and design to shift money up and out of the middle class.
I'm with you on "China is tough." But, that's about all in this few paragraphs that I agree with. High tech US manufacturing that the CHIPS act started is not going well, and that's been years. The US has been cutting funding to education in a bipartisan effort for half a century. No education effort. No "Almost anyone can learn how to do repetitive things, no matter how detailed" effort.
Look up "No child left behind" and where we are now, and which administration started the requirement to educate for tests, not for learning, and tell me it's a partisan-led federal education department. The states do not do a better job, and there's no realistic way you can say that.
Penalizing US businesses and therefore US consumers to do this isn't the way to do it. Not funding education and further cutting for the umpteenth time with the big beautiful bill is not the way to do it.
Could it work? Maybe. Is it likely to? No.
It's more likely to crush small businesses in favor of the big ones, and drive the middle class deeper into debt.
While I tend to agree on msny of your other topics, It’s obvious we disagree fundamentally on most of not all things related to the current administration.
I’ll agree to disagree. As far as who turns out to be right? We shall see.
As we’ve seen in this admin, things are always in motion and never stuck in the mud.
So we will see how these deals turn out for the long term benefit of America.
But one thing is for certain: something msjor had to be done. Constantly losing ground to other nations was not sustainable. Sure, you might get a cheaper iPhone today, but you may not even be able to get an iPhone tomorrow.
I’ll take long term over short term any day.
Except, there's no long-term gain to be had, and just more wealth shifting up away from the middle class to the upper on this path.
If he really wanted to restore manufacturing to the US, he'd fund education to the maximum extent possible. We do not have the manufacturing manpower base or educated populace needed to do this!
He and his party are doing the opposite.
"Things are always in motion" is not a good thing for international trade relations or US businesses that don't know what to expect, or budget for, on a day-to-day basis.
It’s been 5 months. And the tarriffs less than that. And deals still in motion. Can hardly conclude what you’re saying from that.
Is it possible it doesn’t work as hoped? Sure. We live in an uncertain and imperfect world full of people acting in bad faith, etc. but is it worth a shot? 100%. The alternative is to continue to decline. One way it’s much closer to certainty of success is if one group of people stop attacking the guy every time he breathes, and gets behind what’s obviously a noble goal, things would go much smoother and have a better outcome.
Manpower is fully available. Have you looked at the unemployment rates? Education is a matter of training. Unfortunately, much of what passes for education today has little to do with reading, writing, and arithmetic. That’s thanks to a partisan led federal education department. The states do a better job. Almost anyone can learn how to do repetitive things, no matter how detailed. The key is starting. Sure it takes time. But it never happens unless you start. A lot of unemployed people today would love to have these jobs.
Things being in motion refers to the agility of the current admin and their near unprecedented ability to pivot in an instant, constantly evaluating and executing.Not just rolling with something bevause they already were heading in that direction. If it’s not advancing favorably, the smart thing to do is pivot. And keeping things in motion also helps guard against letting bad faith heads of state pin them down to bad deals.
China is tough. Bevause of the usa pressing the “easy button” decades ago, we have built up an enemy into being a major force on the world stage. It will not be easy to wean off of the “cheap” Chinese manufacturing, but it will be the wise thing to get started on. If not, the ISA will just keep declining until it’s no longer the superpower it has been. If the answer is not what the President is doing, it’s certainly not also the status quo - or worse, pouring even more money into our adversaries - or even other economies in general.
Bold and italics mine. This is a ridiculous assessment of what this administration does. Fire, Ready, Fire, with no "aim" step and a "ready, fire" sequence out of order is no way to run a global trade program, much less a lemonade stand. There's no plan. There's just a hope that this will work, and design to shift money up and out of the middle class.
I'm with you on "China is tough." But, that's about all in this few paragraphs that I agree with. High tech US manufacturing that the CHIPS act started is not going well, and that's been years. The US has been cutting funding to education in a bipartisan effort for half a century. No education effort. No "Almost anyone can learn how to do repetitive things, no matter how detailed" effort.
Look up "No child left behind" and where we are now, and which administration started the requirement to educate for tests, not for learning, and tell me it's a partisan-led federal education department. The states do not do a better job, and there's no realistic way you can say that.
Penalizing US businesses and therefore US consumers to do this isn't the way to do it. Not funding education and further cutting for the umpteenth time with the big beautiful bill is not the way to do it.
Could it work? Maybe. Is it likely to? No.
It's more likely to crush small businesses in favor of the big ones, and drive the middle class deeper into debt.
While I tend to agree on msny of your other topics, It’s obvious we disagree fundamentally on most of not all things related to the current administration.
I’ll agree to disagree. As far as who turns out to be right? We shall see.
As we’ve seen in this admin, things are always in motion and never stuck in the mud.
So we will see how these deals turn out for the long term benefit of America.
But one thing is for certain: something msjor had to be done. Constantly losing ground to other nations was not sustainable. Sure, you might get a cheaper iPhone today, but you may not even be able to get an iPhone tomorrow.
I’ll take long term over short term any day.
Except, there's no long-term gain to be had, and just more wealth shifting up away from the middle class to the upper on this path.
If he really wanted to restore manufacturing to the US, he'd fund education to the maximum extent possible. We do not have the manufacturing manpower base or educated populace needed to do this!
He and his party are doing the opposite.
"Things are always in motion" is not a good thing for international trade relations or US businesses that don't know what to expect, or budget for, on a day-to-day basis.
It’s been 5 months. And the tarriffs less than that. And deals still in motion. Can hardly conclude what you’re saying from that.
Is it possible it doesn’t work as hoped? Sure. We live in an uncertain and imperfect world full of people acting in bad faith, etc. but is it worth a shot? 100%. The alternative is to continue to decline. One way it’s much closer to certainty of success is if one group of people stop attacking the guy every time he breathes, and gets behind what’s obviously a noble goal, things would go much smoother and have a better outcome.
Manpower is fully available. Have you looked at the unemployment rates? Education is a matter of training. Unfortunately, much of what passes for education today has little to do with reading, writing, and arithmetic. That’s thanks to a partisan led federal education department. The states do a better job. Almost anyone can learn how to do repetitive things, no matter how detailed. The key is starting. Sure it takes time. But it never happens unless you start. A lot of unemployed people today would love to have these jobs.
Things being in motion refers to the agility of the current admin and their near unprecedented ability to pivot in an instant, constantly evaluating and executing.Not just rolling with something bevause they already were heading in that direction. If it’s not advancing favorably, the smart thing to do is pivot. And keeping things in motion also helps guard against letting bad faith heads of state pin them down to bad deals.
China is tough. Bevause of the usa pressing the “easy button” decades ago, we have built up an enemy into being a major force on the world stage. It will not be easy to wean off of the “cheap” Chinese manufacturing, but it will be the wise thing to get started on. If not, the ISA will just keep declining until it’s no longer the superpower it has been. If the answer is not what the President is doing, it’s certainly not also the status quo - or worse, pouring even more money into our adversaries - or even other economies in general.
Bold and italics mine. This is a ridiculous assessment of what this administration does. Fire, Ready, Fire, with no "aim" step and a "ready, fire" sequence out of order is no way to run a global trade program, much less a lemonade stand. There's no plan. There's just a hope that this will work, and design to shift money up and out of the middle class.
I'm with you on "China is tough." But, that's about all in this few paragraphs that I agree with. High tech US manufacturing that the CHIPS act started is not going well, and that's been years. The US has been cutting funding to education in a bipartisan effort for half a century. No education effort. No "Almost anyone can learn how to do repetitive things, no matter how detailed" effort.
Look up "No child left behind" and where we are now, and which administration started the requirement to educate for tests, not for learning, and tell me it's a partisan-led federal education department. The states do not do a better job, and there's no realistic way you can say that.
Penalizing US businesses and therefore US consumers to do this isn't the way to do it. Not funding education and further cutting for the umpteenth time with the big beautiful bill is not the way to do it.
Could it work? Maybe. Is it likely to? No.
It's more likely to crush small businesses in favor of the big ones, and drive the middle class deeper into debt.
While I tend to agree on msny of your other topics, It’s obvious we disagree fundamentally on most of not all things related to the current administration.
I’ll agree to disagree. As far as who turns out to be right? We shall see.
The tariffs are a complete and total disaster, bruh.
But I gotta say that I really enjoy seeing you twist your brain into a mental pretzel trying to rationalize the decisions of someone who "doesn't know what the fuck they're doing." (TacoMan's words, not mine)
So Americans are worse off than before Taco started this useless fight.
Except in MAGA-world where up is down, black is white, and hypocrisy is consistency, therefore in that world lacking logic and critical thinking, everything is much better.
As we’ve seen in this admin, things are always in motion and never stuck in the mud.
So we will see how these deals turn out for the long term benefit of America.
But one thing is for certain: something msjor had to be done. Constantly losing ground to other nations was not sustainable. Sure, you might get a cheaper iPhone today, but you may not even be able to get an iPhone tomorrow.
I’ll take long term over short term any day.
Except, there's no long-term gain to be had, and just more wealth shifting up away from the middle class to the upper on this path.
If he really wanted to restore manufacturing to the US, he'd fund education to the maximum extent possible. We do not have the manufacturing manpower base or educated populace needed to do this!
He and his party are doing the opposite.
"Things are always in motion" is not a good thing for international trade relations or US businesses that don't know what to expect, or budget for, on a day-to-day basis.
It’s been 5 months. And the tarriffs less than that. And deals still in motion. Can hardly conclude what you’re saying from that.
Is it possible it doesn’t work as hoped? Sure. We live in an uncertain and imperfect world full of people acting in bad faith, etc. but is it worth a shot? 100%. The alternative is to continue to decline. One way it’s much closer to certainty of success is if one group of people stop attacking the guy every time he breathes, and gets behind what’s obviously a noble goal, things would go much smoother and have a better outcome.
Manpower is fully available. Have you looked at the unemployment rates? Education is a matter of training. Unfortunately, much of what passes for education today has little to do with reading, writing, and arithmetic. That’s thanks to a partisan led federal education department. The states do a better job. Almost anyone can learn how to do repetitive things, no matter how detailed. The key is starting. Sure it takes time. But it never happens unless you start. A lot of unemployed people today would love to have these jobs.
Things being in motion refers to the agility of the current admin and their near unprecedented ability to pivot in an instant, constantly evaluating and executing.Not just rolling with something bevause they already were heading in that direction. If it’s not advancing favorably, the smart thing to do is pivot. And keeping things in motion also helps guard against letting bad faith heads of state pin them down to bad deals.
China is tough. Bevause of the usa pressing the “easy button” decades ago, we have built up an enemy into being a major force on the world stage. It will not be easy to wean off of the “cheap” Chinese manufacturing, but it will be the wise thing to get started on. If not, the ISA will just keep declining until it’s no longer the superpower it has been. If the answer is not what the President is doing, it’s certainly not also the status quo - or worse, pouring even more money into our adversaries - or even other economies in general.
Bold and italics mine. This is a ridiculous assessment of what this administration does. Fire, Ready, Fire, with no "aim" step and a "ready, fire" sequence out of order is no way to run a global trade program, much less a lemonade stand. There's no plan. There's just a hope that this will work, and design to shift money up and out of the middle class.
I'm with you on "China is tough." But, that's about all in this few paragraphs that I agree with. High tech US manufacturing that the CHIPS act started is not going well, and that's been years. The US has been cutting funding to education in a bipartisan effort for half a century. No education effort. No "Almost anyone can learn how to do repetitive things, no matter how detailed" effort.
Look up "No child left behind" and where we are now, and which administration started the requirement to educate for tests, not for learning, and tell me it's a partisan-led federal education department. The states do not do a better job, and there's no realistic way you can say that.
Penalizing US businesses and therefore US consumers to do this isn't the way to do it. Not funding education and further cutting for the umpteenth time with the big beautiful bill is not the way to do it.
Could it work? Maybe. Is it likely to? No.
It's more likely to crush small businesses in favor of the big ones, and drive the middle class deeper into debt.
While I tend to agree on msny of your other topics, It’s obvious we disagree fundamentally on most of not all things related to the current administration.
I’ll agree to disagree. As far as who turns out to be right? We shall see.
I’m from the future. It isn’t you.
If you were from the future, you wouldn’t post this due to disruption of the space-time continuum. Sheesh. Does nobody watch Star Trek or the Flash or remember Back to the Future? The Time Wraiths would be coming for you. But since you’re still here, we must surmise that you are merely a fraud. Par for the course.
Or… perhaps you were from the future… right before the alarm clock sounded and you woke up from your backward-world dream.
Either way…
but seriously, let’s see. I could be wrong. It’s certainly possible. Nothing is guaranteed it’s equally as possible thst good results from this. S certainly worth the effort. It takes a strong leader with thick skin to wade through mindless unimind opposition to do what he’s doing. But he’s also got a ton of support.
It’s easy to just not try. It’s difficult to push for greatness. He’s taking the hard road and aiming high. If anyone can make it happen, it’s this admin.
If you’re not American, then I can understand your opposition to America getting stronger. If you’re are American, then isuch hatred (yes, much of what has been posted on these forums is outright hateful) just seems weird.
As we’ve seen in this admin, things are always in motion and never stuck in the mud.
So we will see how these deals turn out for the long term benefit of America.
But one thing is for certain: something msjor had to be done. Constantly losing ground to other nations was not sustainable. Sure, you might get a cheaper iPhone today, but you may not even be able to get an iPhone tomorrow.
I’ll take long term over short term any day.
Except, there's no long-term gain to be had, and just more wealth shifting up away from the middle class to the upper on this path.
If he really wanted to restore manufacturing to the US, he'd fund education to the maximum extent possible. We do not have the manufacturing manpower base or educated populace needed to do this!
He and his party are doing the opposite.
"Things are always in motion" is not a good thing for international trade relations or US businesses that don't know what to expect, or budget for, on a day-to-day basis.
It’s been 5 months. And the tarriffs less than that. And deals still in motion. Can hardly conclude what you’re saying from that.
Is it possible it doesn’t work as hoped? Sure. We live in an uncertain and imperfect world full of people acting in bad faith, etc. but is it worth a shot? 100%. The alternative is to continue to decline. One way it’s much closer to certainty of success is if one group of people stop attacking the guy every time he breathes, and gets behind what’s obviously a noble goal, things would go much smoother and have a better outcome.
Manpower is fully available. Have you looked at the unemployment rates? Education is a matter of training. Unfortunately, much of what passes for education today has little to do with reading, writing, and arithmetic. That’s thanks to a partisan led federal education department. The states do a better job. Almost anyone can learn how to do repetitive things, no matter how detailed. The key is starting. Sure it takes time. But it never happens unless you start. A lot of unemployed people today would love to have these jobs.
Things being in motion refers to the agility of the current admin and their near unprecedented ability to pivot in an instant, constantly evaluating and executing.Not just rolling with something bevause they already were heading in that direction. If it’s not advancing favorably, the smart thing to do is pivot. And keeping things in motion also helps guard against letting bad faith heads of state pin them down to bad deals.
China is tough. Bevause of the usa pressing the “easy button” decades ago, we have built up an enemy into being a major force on the world stage. It will not be easy to wean off of the “cheap” Chinese manufacturing, but it will be the wise thing to get started on. If not, the ISA will just keep declining until it’s no longer the superpower it has been. If the answer is not what the President is doing, it’s certainly not also the status quo - or worse, pouring even more money into our adversaries - or even other economies in general.
Bold and italics mine. This is a ridiculous assessment of what this administration does. Fire, Ready, Fire, with no "aim" step and a "ready, fire" sequence out of order is no way to run a global trade program, much less a lemonade stand. There's no plan. There's just a hope that this will work, and design to shift money up and out of the middle class.
I'm with you on "China is tough." But, that's about all in this few paragraphs that I agree with. High tech US manufacturing that the CHIPS act started is not going well, and that's been years. The US has been cutting funding to education in a bipartisan effort for half a century. No education effort. No "Almost anyone can learn how to do repetitive things, no matter how detailed" effort.
Look up "No child left behind" and where we are now, and which administration started the requirement to educate for tests, not for learning, and tell me it's a partisan-led federal education department. The states do not do a better job, and there's no realistic way you can say that.
Penalizing US businesses and therefore US consumers to do this isn't the way to do it. Not funding education and further cutting for the umpteenth time with the big beautiful bill is not the way to do it.
Could it work? Maybe. Is it likely to? No.
It's more likely to crush small businesses in favor of the big ones, and drive the middle class deeper into debt.
While I tend to agree on msny of your other topics, It’s obvious we disagree fundamentally on most of not all things related to the current administration.
I’ll agree to disagree. As far as who turns out to be right? We shall see.
The tariffs are a complete and total disaster, bruh.
But I gotta say that I really enjoy seeing you twist your brain into a mental pretzel trying to rationalize the decisions of someone who "doesn't know what the fuck they're doing." (TacoMan's words, not mine)
The only mental acrobatics are coming from the side pretending this didn’t need to be done. No ine said it would be easy or quick. Just that it is a much needed beginning to strengthen our standing.
As we’ve seen in this admin, things are always in motion and never stuck in the mud.
So we will see how these deals turn out for the long term benefit of America.
But one thing is for certain: something msjor had to be done. Constantly losing ground to other nations was not sustainable. Sure, you might get a cheaper iPhone today, but you may not even be able to get an iPhone tomorrow.
I’ll take long term over short term any day.
Except, there's no long-term gain to be had, and just more wealth shifting up away from the middle class to the upper on this path.
If he really wanted to restore manufacturing to the US, he'd fund education to the maximum extent possible. We do not have the manufacturing manpower base or educated populace needed to do this!
He and his party are doing the opposite.
"Things are always in motion" is not a good thing for international trade relations or US businesses that don't know what to expect, or budget for, on a day-to-day basis.
It’s been 5 months. And the tarriffs less than that. And deals still in motion. Can hardly conclude what you’re saying from that.
Is it possible it doesn’t work as hoped? Sure. We live in an uncertain and imperfect world full of people acting in bad faith, etc. but is it worth a shot? 100%. The alternative is to continue to decline. One way it’s much closer to certainty of success is if one group of people stop attacking the guy every time he breathes, and gets behind what’s obviously a noble goal, things would go much smoother and have a better outcome.
Manpower is fully available. Have you looked at the unemployment rates? Education is a matter of training. Unfortunately, much of what passes for education today has little to do with reading, writing, and arithmetic. That’s thanks to a partisan led federal education department. The states do a better job. Almost anyone can learn how to do repetitive things, no matter how detailed. The key is starting. Sure it takes time. But it never happens unless you start. A lot of unemployed people today would love to have these jobs.
Things being in motion refers to the agility of the current admin and their near unprecedented ability to pivot in an instant, constantly evaluating and executing.Not just rolling with something bevause they already were heading in that direction. If it’s not advancing favorably, the smart thing to do is pivot. And keeping things in motion also helps guard against letting bad faith heads of state pin them down to bad deals.
China is tough. Bevause of the usa pressing the “easy button” decades ago, we have built up an enemy into being a major force on the world stage. It will not be easy to wean off of the “cheap” Chinese manufacturing, but it will be the wise thing to get started on. If not, the ISA will just keep declining until it’s no longer the superpower it has been. If the answer is not what the President is doing, it’s certainly not also the status quo - or worse, pouring even more money into our adversaries - or even other economies in general.
Bold and italics mine. This is a ridiculous assessment of what this administration does. Fire, Ready, Fire, with no "aim" step and a "ready, fire" sequence out of order is no way to run a global trade program, much less a lemonade stand. There's no plan. There's just a hope that this will work, and design to shift money up and out of the middle class.
I'm with you on "China is tough." But, that's about all in this few paragraphs that I agree with. High tech US manufacturing that the CHIPS act started is not going well, and that's been years. The US has been cutting funding to education in a bipartisan effort for half a century. No education effort. No "Almost anyone can learn how to do repetitive things, no matter how detailed" effort.
Look up "No child left behind" and where we are now, and which administration started the requirement to educate for tests, not for learning, and tell me it's a partisan-led federal education department. The states do not do a better job, and there's no realistic way you can say that.
Penalizing US businesses and therefore US consumers to do this isn't the way to do it. Not funding education and further cutting for the umpteenth time with the big beautiful bill is not the way to do it.
Could it work? Maybe. Is it likely to? No.
It's more likely to crush small businesses in favor of the big ones, and drive the middle class deeper into debt.
While I tend to agree on msny of your other topics, It’s obvious we disagree fundamentally on most of not all things related to the current administration.
I’ll agree to disagree. As far as who turns out to be right? We shall see.
The tariffs are a complete and total disaster, bruh.
But I gotta say that I really enjoy seeing you twist your brain into a mental pretzel trying to rationalize the decisions of someone who "doesn't know what the fuck they're doing." (TacoMan's words, not mine)
The only mental acrobatics are coming from the side pretending this didn’t need to be done. No ine said it would be easy or quick. Just that it is a much needed beginning to strengthen our standing.
When you have to lie and make false statements the. You are most certainly the person doing mental acrobatics. That you can’t make your case without falsehoods only understanding how weak your argument is. You would get a lot further if engaged in an intellectually honest discussion.
Who pays a tariff fully depends on whether there is a substitute supplier or buyer. The columnist confidently declares buyers pay for tarriffs. Yes, they do, if there is no alternative supplier anywhere on Earth who sells a comparable product. But most products do have alternative sellers. This means the seller must pay some of, or in many cases, near 100% of the tariff. Don’t take my word for it (two degrees from leading universities in this subject). Ask ChatGPT.
Who pays a tariff fully depends on whether there is a substitute supplier or buyer. The columnist confidently declares buyers pay for tarriffs. Yes, they do, if there is no alternative supplier anywhere on Earth who sells a comparable product. But most products do have alternative sellers. This means the seller must pay some of, or in many cases, near 100% of the tariff. Don’t take my word for it (two degrees from leading universities in this subject). Ask ChatGPT.
What successful seller would absorb 100% of any costs, tariff or not, without eventually passing it on to a client, customer, or retail buyer? Ain't happening IMHO, but please do post an example of where import taxes, AKA tariffs, would not be factored into the price of a product a consumer buys.
By definition atariff is a tax imposed on foreign-made goods, paid by the importing business to its home country's government. You seem to disagree, so a couple of examples please.
Who pays a tariff fully depends on whether there is a substitute supplier or buyer. The columnist confidently declares buyers pay for tarriffs. Yes, they do, if there is no alternative supplier anywhere on Earth who sells a comparable product. But most products do have alternative sellers. This means the seller must pay some of, or in many cases, near 100% of the tariff. Don’t take my word for it (two degrees from leading universities in this subject). Ask ChatGPT.
A seller is also a buyer - but a buyer is not always a seller, e.g. they are the end customer or user.
So the buyer of overseas goods (the importer) must therefore be the seller, so I agree with your statement.
"the seller must pay some of, or in many cases, near 100% of the tariff."
As we’ve seen in this admin, things are always in motion and never stuck in the mud.
So we will see how these deals turn out for the long term benefit of America.
But one thing is for certain: something msjor had to be done. Constantly losing ground to other nations was not sustainable. Sure, you might get a cheaper iPhone today, but you may not even be able to get an iPhone tomorrow.
I’ll take long term over short term any day.
Except, there's no long-term gain to be had, and just more wealth shifting up away from the middle class to the upper on this path.
If he really wanted to restore manufacturing to the US, he'd fund education to the maximum extent possible. We do not have the manufacturing manpower base or educated populace needed to do this!
He and his party are doing the opposite.
"Things are always in motion" is not a good thing for international trade relations or US businesses that don't know what to expect, or budget for, on a day-to-day basis.
It’s been 5 months. And the tarriffs less than that. And deals still in motion. Can hardly conclude what you’re saying from that.
Is it possible it doesn’t work as hoped? Sure. We live in an uncertain and imperfect world full of people acting in bad faith, etc. but is it worth a shot? 100%. The alternative is to continue to decline. One way it’s much closer to certainty of success is if one group of people stop attacking the guy every time he breathes, and gets behind what’s obviously a noble goal, things would go much smoother and have a better outcome.
Manpower is fully available. Have you looked at the unemployment rates? Education is a matter of training. Unfortunately, much of what passes for education today has little to do with reading, writing, and arithmetic. That’s thanks to a partisan led federal education department. The states do a better job. Almost anyone can learn how to do repetitive things, no matter how detailed. The key is starting. Sure it takes time. But it never happens unless you start. A lot of unemployed people today would love to have these jobs.
Things being in motion refers to the agility of the current admin and their near unprecedented ability to pivot in an instant, constantly evaluating and executing.Not just rolling with something bevause they already were heading in that direction. If it’s not advancing favorably, the smart thing to do is pivot. And keeping things in motion also helps guard against letting bad faith heads of state pin them down to bad deals.
China is tough. Bevause of the usa pressing the “easy button” decades ago, we have built up an enemy into being a major force on the world stage. It will not be easy to wean off of the “cheap” Chinese manufacturing, but it will be the wise thing to get started on. If not, the ISA will just keep declining until it’s no longer the superpower it has been. If the answer is not what the President is doing, it’s certainly not also the status quo - or worse, pouring even more money into our adversaries - or even other economies in general.
Bold and italics mine. This is a ridiculous assessment of what this administration does. Fire, Ready, Fire, with no "aim" step and a "ready, fire" sequence out of order is no way to run a global trade program, much less a lemonade stand. There's no plan. There's just a hope that this will work, and design to shift money up and out of the middle class.
I'm with you on "China is tough." But, that's about all in this few paragraphs that I agree with. High tech US manufacturing that the CHIPS act started is not going well, and that's been years. The US has been cutting funding to education in a bipartisan effort for half a century. No education effort. No "Almost anyone can learn how to do repetitive things, no matter how detailed" effort.
Look up "No child left behind" and where we are now, and which administration started the requirement to educate for tests, not for learning, and tell me it's a partisan-led federal education department. The states do not do a better job, and there's no realistic way you can say that.
Penalizing US businesses and therefore US consumers to do this isn't the way to do it. Not funding education and further cutting for the umpteenth time with the big beautiful bill is not the way to do it.
Could it work? Maybe. Is it likely to? No.
It's more likely to crush small businesses in favor of the big ones, and drive the middle class deeper into debt.
While I tend to agree on msny of your other topics, It’s obvious we disagree fundamentally on most of not all things related to the current administration.
I’ll agree to disagree. As far as who turns out to be right? We shall see.
The tariffs are a complete and total disaster, bruh.
But I gotta say that I really enjoy seeing you twist your brain into a mental pretzel trying to rationalize the decisions of someone who "doesn't know what the fuck they're doing." (TacoMan's words, not mine)
The only mental acrobatics are coming from the side pretending this didn’t need to be done. No ine said it would be easy or quick. Just that it is a much needed beginning to strengthen our standing.
When you have to lie and make false statements the. You are most certainly the person doing mental acrobatics. That you can’t make your case without falsehoods only understanding how weak your argument is. You would get a lot further if engaged in an intellectually honest discussion.
The more commenters who react to a poster’s nonsense, the more attention the poster receives, which is exactly what he/she wants.
As a slight aside, I would be much happier if the response buttons were labeled Agree and Disagree instead of Like/Dislike. There are several instances where I don’t agree with someone’s comment, but I respect their opinion and willingness to chime in on the subject. The words Like/Dislike seem too personal. Maybe it’s just me.
Every now and then I accidentally visit this site and see the same radicalized opinions.
Trump is carrying out the mandate he received through a popular vote - whether you agree with it or not your opinion doesn't matter. Turn off the screen and go touch grass guys, sky is still blue, grass is green and Trump still not the Emporer.
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Manufacturers have been struggling to fill the jobs they already have. According to the Bureau of Labor and Statistics there have been over half a million open manufacturing jobs for a while. Further, in 2024, 65% of manufacturing firms have said that recruiting and retaining workers was their number 1 business challenge. Your claim that manpower is fully available is simply made up. The available data and manufactures tell a completely different story. Also, that you see manufacturing as simply doing "repetitive things" shows how little you actually know are about the sector. That was certainly true in the 1940s and 50s but the world has changed. Machinery and processes are far more sophisticated and require skill and education. The hardest skills to find are the ones that maintain and fix equipment. It takes one to two years to teach those skills and another one to two years to contextualize those skills to the specific plant environment. If we take your grossly simplified "The key is starting", then what has this administration done to start? The answer is, nothing. In your idealized world a company will now have to carry the investment costs related to training people over years while they also pay tariffs. This whole situation has raised the cost of trying to manufacture in the U.S. rather than making it easier.
This fantasy where tariffs make it expensive to manufacture overseas so companies start producing more in the U.S. is just disconnected from reality. If we can't fill the jobs we have how are we going to fill a bunch more? All we are doing is making things more expensive.
Also, federal education department? Nothing says "I have no idea what I'm talking about" like making up a new governmental department. There is a United States Department of Education and they having nothing to do with setting educational curriculum, that is the responsibility of the states. The Department of Education manages financial aid, collect general data on schools, disseminate research and ensure equal access to education. You claim that schools don't focus on reading, writing and arithmetic is just straight up bullish!t. My kid graduated from high school last year and I can assure you that they spent 12 years learning reading, writing, arithmetic and history.
I'm genuinely curious, do you just make this stuff up out of thin air or do you hear talking points and lack the critical thought skills to verify them? Everything I posted here from the number of unfilled manufacturing jobs to what the Department of Education is actually called and what they actually do takes minutes to find with a web search. Why you concisely embarrass yourself with false claims is beyond me.
"Things being in motion refers to the agility of the current admin and their near unprecedented ability to pivot in an instant, constantly evaluating and executing." I also reject this premise. The president is impulsive, petty and narcissistic, and is surrounded by incompetent sycophants. This results in uninformed declarations and fiats, followed by unforced errors, undesired outcomes, and abrupt changes in direction based on whoever was last in the room to fluff up the presidential ego and then make a suggestion. There is no evidence to support the spin that these are brilliant strategists and tacticians, evaluating, pivoting and executing. This administration is the West Wing Keystone Cops, playing bumper cars on the White House lawn.
I'm with you on "China is tough." But, that's about all in this few paragraphs that I agree with. High tech US manufacturing that the CHIPS act started is not going well, and that's been years. The US has been cutting funding to education in a bipartisan effort for half a century. No education effort. No "Almost anyone can learn how to do repetitive things, no matter how detailed" effort.
But I gotta say that I really enjoy seeing you twist your brain into a mental pretzel trying to rationalize the decisions of someone who "doesn't know what the fuck they're doing." (TacoMan's words, not mine)
but seriously, let’s see. I could be wrong. It’s certainly possible. Nothing is guaranteed it’s equally as possible thst good results from this. S certainly worth the effort. It takes a strong leader with thick skin to wade through mindless unimind opposition to do what he’s doing. But he’s also got a ton of support.
The only mental acrobatics are coming from the side pretending this didn’t need to be done. No ine said it would be easy or quick. Just that it is a much needed beginning to strengthen our standing.
By definition a tariff is a tax imposed on foreign-made goods, paid by the importing business to its home country's government. You seem to disagree, so a couple of examples please.
A seller is also a buyer - but a buyer is not always a seller, e.g. they are the end customer or user.
So the buyer of overseas goods (the importer) must therefore be the seller, so I agree with your statement.
"the seller must pay some of, or in many cases, near 100% of the tariff."
Trump is carrying out the mandate he received through a popular vote - whether you agree with it or not your opinion doesn't matter. Turn off the screen and go touch grass guys, sky is still blue, grass is green and Trump still not the Emporer.