Apple hits back at DOJ antitrust suit paragraph by paragraph in scathing response

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As Apple's antitrust case goes forward, the company has responded to each of the 236 paragraphs from the original complaint to defend itself, stating plainly that the "DOJ is wrong."

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Apple won't take the antitrust case sitting down. Image source: Apple



The Department of Justice, along with multiple states accused Apple, of monopolistic practices over the App Store, iPhone, and other parts of its business. One year later, after failed attempt to have the case dismissed, Apple has filed its direct response to the antitrust lawsuit.

The filing from Apple opens with the assertion that the lawsuit "threatens the very principles that set iPhone apart in a fiercely competitive market." Apple asserts that the complaints that led to the lawsuit come from a small number of rich and powerful third-party developers free-riding on the innovations presented by iPhone.

It is a heated rebuttal that hits at the core of the lawsuit, which AppleInsider has pointed out repeatedly is moot. Most of the DOJ's accusations either were never true or have been remedied in recent updates.

Apple shared, once again, the five main points made by the DOJ lawsuit.


  • DOJ says Apple stifles the success of "super apps," despite the fact that Apple's rules allow and support such apps, and indeed a multitude of "super apps" exist on the App Store today

  • DOJ says Apple blocks cloud streaming games, even though Apple allows streaming-games both over the web and in the App Store where they can stream games directly to users

  • DOJ says Apple degrades third-party messaging apps, even though they are widely available and enormously popular on iPhone already

  • DOJ says Apple limits the functionality of third-party smartwatches, even though they can effectively pair with iPhone, share data to and from the iPhone via a companion app, and take advantage of certain functionalities Apple has developed which are expanding over time

  • DOJ says Apple withholds access to iPhone hardware necessary for third-party digital wallets to use tap-to-pay technology, however, Apple developed and provides a mechanism that protects user

236 reasons why the DOJ is wrong



Apple's response goes paragraph by paragraph to take apart the DOJ arguments. There are 236 paragraphs total, including the table of contents, preamble, headings, subheadings, and footnotes.

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DOJ wants Apple to open up iPhone and its software



Obviously, there's no way to address every single point Apple has made. Go read the full response embedded below.

If you're following along, the original DOJ filing is available via Scribd. Apple kicks things off by stating that it admits Apple was founded in 1976, but denies that it struggled to compete with lower-priced competitors.

A lot of the DOJ filing centers around building a narrative that Apple doesn't want competition and has designed an ecosystem around preventing just that. Apple takes the time to refute each detail, only confirming what is in documentation or history as accurate, like releasing an iPhone in 2007.

Many of the paragraphs are what Apple calls legal conclusions that don't need a response. Any allegations made against Apple are denied.

The point Apple repeatedly tries to make is that its platform and ecosystem of apps and hardware are designed to ensure the perfect balance between consumer needs, privacy, and security. Apple says the lawsuit "seeks to attack a random collection of Apple's design choices, degrade the privacy and security benefits of iPhone that customers value, and eliminate the competitive differentiation and consumer choice that currently exist in the marketplace."

Apple's nine main defenses also take a strong stance. It argues that Apple has legitimate business justifications, protected intellectual property rights, the courts have a lack of standing, no proof of injury, find the arguments moot, that the plaintiffs have no entitlement to relief, that there's no harm to competition or consumers, and cites the doctrine of laches (the claim was made with unreasonable delay).

Revisiting the DOJ's antitrust complaints



In spite of what the lawsuit implies, Apple is actively competing with multiple brands across multiple fronts. The idea that it has a best-selling smartwatch or a popular messaging service because of lock-in has been challenged multiple times before.

Even Apple's commission has repeatedly been ruled as fair and legal by courts, though its anti-steering practices have not. Once the DOJ is able to submit a more detailed set of arguments with examples, it'll be easier to understand the goals of the lawsuit.

The original filing suggested Apple prevented "super apps" from forming, didn't allow game streaming services, didn't allow cross-platform messaging apps, purposefully reduced competing smartwatch functionality, and limited digital wallets.

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Game streaming is already possible on iPhone and iPad

Super apps



The "super app" argument has been heard a few times before. It essentially boils down to Apple not allowing apps to become their own kind of operating system with internal app stores, banking, chat features, and more baked into one app.

A separate antitrust lawsuit was filed by a company named Proton over super apps. It suggests that Apple allowing WeChat to exist in China should mean they can exist elsewhere too.

Game streaming



The game streaming services complaint has already been addressed, though no one has bitten so far. If Microsoft wanted to, it could submit an Xbox streaming service to iOS as an app, but it hasn't.

Cross-platform messaging options



Apple's Messages app now supports RCS, the cross-platform messaging protocol that's better than SMS. Users also have the ability to select different default messaging apps like Messenger as of iOS 18.2.

Smartwatch compatibility



There have been complaints from third-party smartwatch makers about integrations. Pebble returned and is compatible with iPhone, but the maker has complained about how it can't compete with the options offered by Apple Watch.

The DOJ could seek to force Apple to offer more options and APIs. There's no clear way to do this without Apple having to invent new systems from scratch since it won't be offering its apps on third-party stores.

Apple Wallet and NFC



Apple's NFC reader has new functionality that lets third-party apps take advantage. For example, Square can now accept tap-to-pay from cards and phones when interfacing directly with the iPhone.

However, this likely won't be enough for the DOJ antitrust lawsuit. It will likely seek to have Apple allow users to select default payment apps instead of locking it to Apple Pay, like in the EU.

It's going to be a long and brutal case that may take years to shake out. Apple is going to push back hard against opening up its platforms to third-parties and potential privacy and security violations, so expect things to go as roughly as they have with the EU Digital Markets Act.

Apple DOJ antitrust response July 29, 2025 by Wesley Hilliard



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  • Reply 1 of 29
    jas99jas99 Posts: 186member
    Fight, Apple, fight hard. 
    Don’t let the freeloaders destroy what makes Apple products so amazing. 
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  • Reply 2 of 29
    anthogaganthogag Posts: 146member
    Does DOJ actually have any real lawyers left after Elon and the dictator? Apple could argue puppets are not qualified to practice law?  
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  • Reply 3 of 29
    nubusnubus Posts: 917member
    Answering line by line seems childish. Fighting to keep everything closed when some are known to work with larger populations in more countries is a hard sell. It makes Apple look greedy towards US consumers and out of step with the Trump administration. 

    Cook should rethink his approach to regulation. This won’t help the brand or give him friends.

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  • Reply 4 of 29
    Vision1vision1 Posts: 13member
    The doj has my blood boiling. They need to stop these nonsense! Apple always had a closed ecosystem around many products. And that is also what makes them great. We as the users should speak out loud that we don’t want, what the doj thinks/wants. 
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  • Reply 5 of 29
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,683member
    The DOJ suit is ridiculous. Good on Apple to fight. 

    Now if only Apple Would show this kind of backbone with the EU…
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  • Reply 6 of 29
    In my opinion there should be two options for customers when they first open an iPhone:
    - Freedom without guarantees
    - Apple standard

    Let the market decide. 
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  • Reply 7 of 29
    AppleZuluapplezulu Posts: 2,552member
    nubus said:
    Answering line by line seems childish. Fighting to keep everything closed when some are known to work with larger populations in more countries is a hard sell. It makes Apple look greedy towards US consumers and out of step with the Trump administration. 

    Cook should rethink his approach to regulation. This won’t help the brand or give him friends.

    Responding line by line seems thorough. That’s not childish, it’s literally the attorneys’ job. 

    At a time when other companies are capitulating and handing over eight-figure bribes, I’m just fine with Apple being “out of step with the Trump administration.” 

    What the heck is “This won’t help the brand or give him friends” even supposed to mean? Apple’s brand is defined by Apple, and based on their success selling devices and services to consumers, they have plenty of friends. Or, when combined with your “out of step” remark, were you expecting that Apple should toe the fascist party line so they can be friends with Dear Leader?
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  • Reply 8 of 29
    AppleZuluapplezulu Posts: 2,552member

    In my opinion there should be two options for customers when they first open an iPhone:
    - Freedom without guarantees
    - Apple standard

    Let the market decide. 
    This is already the case. You can buy any iPhone, hack it and do whatever you want without support from Apple. The market has already decided. Very few people do that. 
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  • Reply 9 of 29
    Before you whine about the Mango Mussolini's DoJ, remember that this suit is something that was started during a sane administration to give US more rights to the products WE own.

    It doesn't go far enough, we need the right to install whatever software we see fit on OUR devices without Apple's permission or interference.  And while some of the issues have already been resolved, they haven't all been, and they definitely need to be resolved in OUR favor, not Apple's favor.
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  • Reply 10 of 29
    mattinozmattinoz Posts: 2,688member
    Before you whine about the Mango Mussolini's DoJ, remember that this suit is something that was started during a sane administration to give US more rights to the products WE own.

    It doesn't go far enough, we need the right to install whatever software we see fit on OUR devices without Apple's permission or interference.  And while some of the issues have already been resolved, they haven't all been, and they definitely need to be resolved in OUR favor, not Apple's favor.
    You do down load Xcode couple of configurations steps and you can run any code you please. Absolutely anything beyond that will involve somebody’s agreement with you using their copyrighted code in a manner which they deem to offer it.
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  • Reply 11 of 29
    AppleZuluapplezulu Posts: 2,552member
    Before you whine about the Mango Mussolini's DoJ, remember that this suit is something that was started during a sane administration to give US more rights to the products WE own.

    It doesn't go far enough, we need the right to install whatever software we see fit on OUR devices without Apple's permission or interference.  And while some of the issues have already been resolved, they haven't all been, and they definitely need to be resolved in OUR favor, not Apple's favor.
    You already have that right. You can buy an Android phone. Some of us don’t want to lose the choice we currently have to buy a phone that comes with a secure, bespoke operating system. Forcing Apple to be more like its competitors reduces consumer choice. 

    The iPhone and iOS are a single thing. iOS is the first operating system designed from the ground up to always be connected to the internet. The App Store was designed to make third-party software possible, while still maintaining the high level of security and stability of the new OS. This closed system was specifically created to avoid the mess prior operating systems became as stand-alone computers were suddenly all being connected to a network. 

    The first people upset about Apple’s new approach were the now un-needed antivirus companies that wanted root access to iOS so they could sell their third party apps to prevent other third party apps from also getting root access to iOS. Should Apple be forced to open up root access to iOS just for the “freedom” to choose antivirus software to “guard” against the vulnerabilities root access would then allow? Apple’s iOS design that closed off root access entirely from the start wasn’t anti-competitive, it just eliminated the problem anti-virus programs were designed to “fix.” 

    The fight over “freedom” to install third-party apps is just an extension of the same issue. Opening iOS to side-loading creates vulnerabilities that don’t currently exist. The app developers clamoring for this want access to iPhone users. Currently they have to follow privacy and security rules to get that access, and currently iPhone users can use those apps with the knowledge those requirements are being enforced. If Apple is forced to allow side-loading those app developers will quickly take advantage of that, forcing iPhone users to either stop using those apps or lose the privacy and security protections they currently have. The result is less consumer choice, not more. 

    I want to continue to have the choice to buy a device built around Apple’s high level of security. Forcing Apple to undo that and go back decades to return to a pre-internet model isn’t in our favor or Apple’s favor. The only people that serves are the ones who want unfettered access to our personal data and money. 
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  • Reply 12 of 29
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 18,069member
    The level of analysis and discussion by members on this is really disappointing (but not surprising) overall.  We just have more standard ranting against the current administration, name-calling, and purely emotional/simplistic argument.  Not everyone, of course. But that seems to be the overall impression I get.  

    I have not studied DOJ suit in great detail. From my current understanding though, it seems like mostly thin gruel.  The potential exception is the full integration of other NFC payment systems. Calling Apple an illegal monopoly has never passed the smell test for me.  By the numbers, they don’t even have a monopoly,  much less an illegal monopoly.  claiming they have a monopoly on iPhones is roughly like claiming Honda has a monopoly on Accords.  it’s a popular product with an extremely significant market share in the segment, but it’s obviously not a monopoly.  I’ve never even agreed with the anti-steering provisions.  Want to play in Apple’s garden? Play by the rules and pay the toll.  
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  • Reply 13 of 29
    jpellinojpellino Posts: 717member
    The US DOJ is officially upset about blue vs green messages. Yikes.  
    As for Pebble, Apple watch doesn't have better features because there are a lot of Apple Watches, it has better features through R&D and a whole bunch of better ideas. 
    Granted, Apple has a lot of money from being successful.  
    That's not the only way to get money.  
    If you have a better idea, demo and prove it, get it funded and compete.  
    ronn
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  • Reply 14 of 29
    Mike Wuerthelemike wuerthele Posts: 7,228administrator
    Everybody take a deep breath and re-read the commenting guidelines.

    As a reminder, this suit started under the previous administration.
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  • Reply 15 of 29
    From the article:

    The point Apple repeatedly tries to make is that its platform and ecosystem of apps and hardware are designed to ensure the perfect balance between consumer needs, privacy, and security. Apple says the lawsuit "seeks to attack a random collection of Apple's design choices, degrade the privacy and security benefits of iPhone that customers value, and eliminate the competitive differentiation and consumer choice that currently exist in the marketplace."

    Comment:

    As a customer, this describes why I choose to purchase Apple’s products and services.  I value the integration across Apple’s entire ecosystem with the attributes that offers me, knowing full well that there are competitors (offering different attributes) that I could choose.
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  • Reply 16 of 29
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 18,069member
    Everybody take a deep breath and re-read the commenting guidelines.

    As a reminder, this suit started under the previous administration.
    As one of the longest tenured members on the site, I fully agree. The level of discussion was really starting to go off the rails. This doesn’t really have anything to do with the orange man, Whether you think “orange man bad” or “orange man good.”  If anything, I think him being an office increases the chance that this goes away at some point.  Watch Apple, pledge to move more production to the United States or whatever and it will—in unrelated news—-be dropped 😆

    P.S.  How long?  Pre-blackout.  I originally registered in January or February 2000.  
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  • Reply 17 of 29
    Mike Wuerthelemike wuerthele Posts: 7,228administrator
    sdw2001 said:
    Everybody take a deep breath and re-read the commenting guidelines.

    As a reminder, this suit started under the previous administration.
    As one of the longest tenured members on the site, I fully agree. The level of discussion was really starting to go off the rails. This doesn’t really have anything to do with the orange man, Whether you think “orange man bad” or “orange man good.”  If anything, I think him being an office increases the chance that this goes away at some point.  Watch Apple, pledge to move more production to the United States or whatever and it will—in unrelated news—-be dropped 😆

    P.S.  How long?  Pre-blackout.  I originally registered in January or February 2000.  
    Initial conversation began in mid-2019. The suit was filed in 2024.
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  • Reply 18 of 29
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,772member
    Everybody take a deep breath and re-read the commenting guidelines.

    As a reminder, this suit started under the previous administration.
    Point taken
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  • Reply 19 of 29
    auxioauxio Posts: 2,796member
    Everybody take a deep breath and re-read the commenting guidelines.

    As a reminder, this suit started under the previous administration.
    Exactly. Social media has literally programmed everyone to see the world as a black and white fight so that they can keep your eyeballs glued to the car crash (political fighting) while they watch you.

    This issue has nothing to do with political parties and everything to do with all the companies which make money from data harvesting wanting more access to your phones and what you do on them. I see it everyday on my Mac with apps installing all sorts of background services which scan my hard drives (thankfully Apple warns about this and allows you to block them). They want that same ability on your phones and they'll keep convincing you that it's about personal freedom.

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  • Reply 20 of 29
    williamlondonwilliamlondon Posts: 1,553member
    nubus said:
    Answering line by line seems childish. Fighting to keep everything closed when some are known to work with larger populations in more countries is a hard sell. It makes Apple look greedy towards US consumers and out of step with the Trump administration. 

    Cook should rethink his approach to regulation. This won’t help the brand or give him friends.

    Good god the mental gymnastics negative nellies go through to slam Apple is worthy of Olympic medals sometimes. Perhaps take off those piss tinted lenses through which you always view Apple.
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