All for the death penalty as a matter of fact we dont kill enough of em, there are way too many people still alive on death row. Everyone has to die sometime..
The death penalty shames any country that still uses it. Cruel and unusual punishment anyone?
Cruel and Unusual, well most people that get it, deserve it, they weren't thinking about crual and unusual when they hack people up or kids or families or whatever.. Personally, I would love to see people die the same way they killed their victims.
Cruel and Unusual, well most people that get it, deserve it, they weren't thinking about crual and unusual when they hack people up or kids or families or whatever.. Personally, I would love to see people die the same way they killed their victims.
the problem i have is the 'most' part. "most people that get it, deserve it". what about all the people who didn't deserve it? i think we should out the whole system just for the sake of those who don't deserve it.
and as for who deserves to die and live, i think we disagree on that as well. i think everyone deserves to live, even terrible criminals who butcher 10s of people. executing a person in the same manner that s/he ended her/his victims won't fix any problems. it wont solve any solutions. plus, it most definitely is cruel and unusual, and therefore illegal (by the current constitution). killing the capital criminals doesn't fix their criminality any more than locking them up does. if a serial killer is in jail indefinitely, s/he can no longer serially kill, and the threat is deterred.
and as for who deserves to die and live, i think we disagree on that as well. i think everyone deserves to live, even terrible criminals who butcher 10s of people. executing a person in the same manner that s/he ended her/his victims won't fix any problems. it wont solve any solutions. plus, it most definitely is cruel and unusual, and therefore illegal (by the current constitution). killing the capital criminals doesn't fix their criminality any more than locking them up does. if a serial killer is in jail indefinitely, s/he can no longer serially kill, and the threat is deterred.
actually i disagree, sure there are some innocents.. but that happens with anything.. this society today is to politically correct and to much for blaming stuff, now-a-days it is never the persons fault, always something else.. nets lot punish our children, because it will make them violent.. ya wonder why the world is going downhill faster with each generation, and that is why..
Alcoholism is a disease, drug addiction is a disease.. BULL. everyone is taking away personal responsibility.. gee, maybe I can catch one of those walking down the street...
actually i disagree, sure there are some innocents.. but that happens with anything.. this society today is to politically correct and to much for blaming stuff, now-a-days it is never the persons fault, always something else.. nets lot punish our children, because it will make them violent.. ya wonder why the world is going downhill faster with each generation, and that is why..
Alcoholism is a disease, drug addiction is a disease.. BULL. everyone is taking away personal responsibility.. gee, maybe I can catch one of those walking down the street...
actually i disagree, sure there are some innocents.. but that happens with anything.. this society today is to politically correct and to much for blaming stuff, now-a-days it is never the persons fault, always something else.. nets lot punish our children, because it will make them violent.. ya wonder why the world is going downhill faster with each generation, and that is why..
Alcoholism is a disease, drug addiction is a disease.. BULL. everyone is taking away personal responsibility.. gee, maybe I can catch one of those walking down the street...
actually, i agree with you on personal responsibility. each should be accountable for what they've done. i don't think that killing them should be the punishment though. people shouldn't be killed because people have the ability to grow and become productive members of society again. also, i dont think punishment itself should be the end with the justice system.
if we found a miracle cure (perhaps something less evil than found in Clockwork Orange), and were able to make capital criminals behave well in society, would you still be in favor of killing them?
also, what if, perchance, you, or your kinfolk, were very poor and had the unfortunate luck to be accused of murder. in this hypothetical, you can't afford a lawyer, so the court appoints some boob for you. despite innocence, court finds you guilty of the crime and sentences you to death. would you still find the death penalty favorable? i think the dp should be removed, if no other reason than the fact that innocent people could be killed unjustly.
Well, as one student in my Constitutional Law class suggested: Just let the families of the victims administer justice. (He was serious, I'm not).
I wouldn't say that the death penalty, as we use it now, is necessarily curel and unusual punishment. Heck, we still swab the guy's arm with alcohol before we give him the lethal injection, just to make sure he doesn't get an infection in the few minutes before he goes. Besides, in comparison to how their victims died, lethal injection (which is the most common, I think, but not the only one out there) isn't a bad way to go.
Finally, the death penalty should be reserved, if used at all, only for the most heinious crimes. I'm not sure if I would feel comfortable executing someone who's a first time offender or someone who murdered someone in a fit of passion. That doesn't make it right, by any means, but I think those people have a chance at rehabilitation, and after they serve their 20+ years, they might be ok. Whereas someone who contemplates murder and has a long history of severe criminal acts is more likely to get my vote to go.
i think its not logical at all. its a societally approved viceral response, you kill my best friend, and i see to it i twist your nuts off and watch you bleed to death while jabbing you with a chemically soaked hot poker...
mm, revenge...
but i dont think a government has the right to take a life in such a manner, and i think holing up a person for life is a worse punishment than death...
It has nothing to do with not being able to admit it. It's done on purpose. Both parties are trying to appeal to too many people with too many conflicting ideas at the same time. Self-contradiction is the end (and intended) result.
But contradictory belief is not the only pervue of politicians. The contradictory ideologies are believed by its subscribers.
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I like the old saying
"Kill em all, and let God sort em out"
Originally posted by Alex London
The death penalty shames any country that still uses it. Cruel and unusual punishment anyone?
Cruel and Unusual, well most people that get it, deserve it, they weren't thinking about crual and unusual when they hack people up or kids or families or whatever.. Personally, I would love to see people die the same way they killed their victims.
Originally posted by The General
Personally, I would love to see people die the same way they killed their victims.
So if someone fabricated evidence against McVeigh he should be given a lethal injection?
Originally posted by The General
Cruel and Unusual, well most people that get it, deserve it, they weren't thinking about crual and unusual when they hack people up or kids or families or whatever.. Personally, I would love to see people die the same way they killed their victims.
the problem i have is the 'most' part. "most people that get it, deserve it". what about all the people who didn't deserve it? i think we should out the whole system just for the sake of those who don't deserve it.
and as for who deserves to die and live, i think we disagree on that as well. i think everyone deserves to live, even terrible criminals who butcher 10s of people. executing a person in the same manner that s/he ended her/his victims won't fix any problems. it wont solve any solutions. plus, it most definitely is cruel and unusual, and therefore illegal (by the current constitution). killing the capital criminals doesn't fix their criminality any more than locking them up does. if a serial killer is in jail indefinitely, s/he can no longer serially kill, and the threat is deterred.
Originally posted by bunge
So if someone fabricated evidence against McVeigh he should be given a lethal injection?
actually he confessed, so according to my view, he should be blown up.
IT DOES NOT ACT AS A DETERRENT*
not bug you at all?
("No! It's what they deserve!")
Then how many innocent people are you prepared to see killed teaching the guilty ones their lesson?
Would you pull the lever knowing that you might be killing someone who didn't do it?
Would you pull the lever knowing that you might be killing someone who may have got off with a better lawyer?
*Source: any academic study for the last 40 years
Originally posted by thuh Freak
and as for who deserves to die and live, i think we disagree on that as well. i think everyone deserves to live, even terrible criminals who butcher 10s of people. executing a person in the same manner that s/he ended her/his victims won't fix any problems. it wont solve any solutions. plus, it most definitely is cruel and unusual, and therefore illegal (by the current constitution). killing the capital criminals doesn't fix their criminality any more than locking them up does. if a serial killer is in jail indefinitely, s/he can no longer serially kill, and the threat is deterred.
actually i disagree, sure there are some innocents.. but that happens with anything.. this society today is to politically correct and to much for blaming stuff, now-a-days it is never the persons fault, always something else.. nets lot punish our children, because it will make them violent.. ya wonder why the world is going downhill faster with each generation, and that is why..
Alcoholism is a disease, drug addiction is a disease.. BULL. everyone is taking away personal responsibility.. gee, maybe I can catch one of those walking down the street...
Originally posted by The General
actually i disagree, sure there are some innocents.. but that happens with anything.. this society today is to politically correct and to much for blaming stuff, now-a-days it is never the persons fault, always something else.. nets lot punish our children, because it will make them violent.. ya wonder why the world is going downhill faster with each generation, and that is why..
Alcoholism is a disease, drug addiction is a disease.. BULL. everyone is taking away personal responsibility.. gee, maybe I can catch one of those walking down the street...
ColanderOfDeath you are a genius of satire.
Originally posted by Harald
So the fact that it doesn't work doesn't phase you?
OMG lets trie teh reeding skilz!
as a concept i have no problem with the death penalty. in reality? it has serious problems that are inherent to the system.
Try again, Harald, try again.
Originally posted by groverat
OMG lets trie teh reeding skilz!
I thought you were cracking down on flamewars. Let's practice what we preach.
Originally posted by The General
actually i disagree, sure there are some innocents.. but that happens with anything.. this society today is to politically correct and to much for blaming stuff, now-a-days it is never the persons fault, always something else.. nets lot punish our children, because it will make them violent.. ya wonder why the world is going downhill faster with each generation, and that is why..
Alcoholism is a disease, drug addiction is a disease.. BULL. everyone is taking away personal responsibility.. gee, maybe I can catch one of those walking down the street...
actually, i agree with you on personal responsibility. each should be accountable for what they've done. i don't think that killing them should be the punishment though. people shouldn't be killed because people have the ability to grow and become productive members of society again. also, i dont think punishment itself should be the end with the justice system.
if we found a miracle cure (perhaps something less evil than found in Clockwork Orange), and were able to make capital criminals behave well in society, would you still be in favor of killing them?
also, what if, perchance, you, or your kinfolk, were very poor and had the unfortunate luck to be accused of murder. in this hypothetical, you can't afford a lawyer, so the court appoints some boob for you. despite innocence, court finds you guilty of the crime and sentences you to death. would you still find the death penalty favorable? i think the dp should be removed, if no other reason than the fact that innocent people could be killed unjustly.
Originally posted by groverat
OMG lets trie teh reeding skilz!
as a concept i have no problem with the death penalty. in reality? it has serious problems that are inherent to the system.
Try again, Harald, try again.
Uh huh.
Let's see ... let me read that again ... zzmm ... mmbb ...
Hmm.
It still says, "As a concept I have no problem with the death penalty."
Hey, Groverat, does the fact that it doesn't work not faze you at all?
Originally posted by The General
actually he confessed, so according to my view, he should be blown up.
So if someone fabricated evidence against McVeigh he should be given a lethal injection?
Originally posted by The General
actually he confessed, so according to my view, he should be blown up.
So does a confession mean that you're guilty?
Originally posted by BRussell
So does a confession mean that you're guilty?
Not always. Definitely not.
I wouldn't say that the death penalty, as we use it now, is necessarily curel and unusual punishment. Heck, we still swab the guy's arm with alcohol before we give him the lethal injection, just to make sure he doesn't get an infection in the few minutes before he goes. Besides, in comparison to how their victims died, lethal injection (which is the most common, I think, but not the only one out there) isn't a bad way to go.
Finally, the death penalty should be reserved, if used at all, only for the most heinious crimes. I'm not sure if I would feel comfortable executing someone who's a first time offender or someone who murdered someone in a fit of passion. That doesn't make it right, by any means, but I think those people have a chance at rehabilitation, and after they serve their 20+ years, they might be ok. Whereas someone who contemplates murder and has a long history of severe criminal acts is more likely to get my vote to go.
Should we apply it more broadly? Yes.
Do I sound terse and unreasonable? Probably.
But then, you spend a week outnumbered 3 to 1 by sick people and she how terse you are.
who thought it out in the first place?
i think its not logical at all. its a societally approved viceral response, you kill my best friend, and i see to it i twist your nuts off and watch you bleed to death while jabbing you with a chemically soaked hot poker...
mm, revenge...
but i dont think a government has the right to take a life in such a manner, and i think holing up a person for life is a worse punishment than death...
Originally posted by BR
It has nothing to do with not being able to admit it. It's done on purpose. Both parties are trying to appeal to too many people with too many conflicting ideas at the same time. Self-contradiction is the end (and intended) result.
But contradictory belief is not the only pervue of politicians. The contradictory ideologies are believed by its subscribers.