I can't guarantee the exact date, but I believe IBM was offering the 1.0GHz G3 before Motorola reached 1.0GHz with the G4. Anywhoooo, this brochure proves that a 1.0GHz G3 is available and still hasn't appeared in an Apple Computer, which sort of in a back handed way proves that IBM could have pushed the G3 faster, but hasn't for obvious reasons.
They talked about it a lot but in reality they were incapable of scaling the 750FX that high. Your last statement doesn't make any sense.
Where does it say IBM has G3s at 1Ghz now? They've always said the 750FX goes to 1Ghz. They said that in October 2001, before the chip had even been sold to anyone. That doesn't mean they had gotten there yet.
IBM tests and specs chips based on customer requirements, remember the Sonnet upgrade fiasco about 2 years ago? If no customers request 1 Ghz G3's at x voltage and y temperature range, then they wont neccessarely test them or certify them at that speed. This is not saying that they can, or cannot make them that would hit those speeds.
Again, making one cost is no object part, and mass producing a large quantity at a saleable price are two entirely different beasts.
I'm sure moto had lotsa prototypes one offs that ran VERY VERY quickly in limited tests, but they couldn't masss produce them and they couldn't really talk about them either. IBM, OTOH, was free to spin their tech demos into gold without, a kind of poor sportsmanship where they pointed fingers and said, "look, we can do it better, see" but nonetheless never actually did it better. People talk about them not trying, I say that's just as dangerous as failing, but think about it for a second, if IBM really could have scaled the PPC so wildly, would adding an SIMD to the G3, essentially making it into a G4, or clocking their own 604 design and improving it for SIMD and MP, really have been so difficult? NO, of course not, but they did neither, not because they didn't have a customer, they themselves used 604's and embedded customers wanted G4's. The simple answer is they couldn't do it either. Maybe they can now, but they never did, and couldn't before. Simple really, IBM is as much to blame for the current state of the PPC as both Moto and Apple.
Where does it say IBM has G3s at 1Ghz now? They've always said the 750FX goes to 1Ghz. They said that in October 2001, before the chip had even been sold to anyone. That doesn't mean they had gotten there yet.
Man, are you a tough sell. It says it right there on the pdf that I linked to.
Here is the quote from the pdf
"Products from 600MHz to 1GHz for computing, networking,
storage, imaging, and consumer systems".
The pdf is obviously a tri-fold brochure to be used in selling IBM solutions. I doubt seriously that IBM would have prepared this document and then left it available all this time, for download from their website, if a 1.0GHz 750 wasn't available. I could be wrong, it has been known to happen, but I tend to believe this part is, and has been, available.
Think about it.Do you really think the 900 G3 ibook is shipping with the bleeding edge of G3 production standards?
You get a range of processor speeds in the production process with higher clocking chips being fewer in volume than the lower and thus more expensive.IBM was already able to ship the G3 at 700 meg with the .18 micron process(remember the last G3 imac?).Apple now only uses a 900 made with .13 tech.So there are certainly G3's that clock higher than this,but apple doesnt use them.I suspect they could ship affordably 1.2 gig parts or there abouts if apple wanted to pay for them.
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Originally posted by rickag
I can't guarantee the exact date, but I believe IBM was offering the 1.0GHz G3 before Motorola reached 1.0GHz with the G4. Anywhoooo, this brochure proves that a 1.0GHz G3 is available and still hasn't appeared in an Apple Computer, which sort of in a back handed way proves that IBM could have pushed the G3 faster, but hasn't for obvious reasons.
They talked about it a lot but in reality they were incapable of scaling the 750FX that high. Your last statement doesn't make any sense.
Originally posted by BRussell
Where does it say IBM has G3s at 1Ghz now? They've always said the 750FX goes to 1Ghz. They said that in October 2001, before the chip had even been sold to anyone. That doesn't mean they had gotten there yet.
IBM tests and specs chips based on customer requirements, remember the Sonnet upgrade fiasco about 2 years ago? If no customers request 1 Ghz G3's at x voltage and y temperature range, then they wont neccessarely test them or certify them at that speed. This is not saying that they can, or cannot make them that would hit those speeds.
For one, there is no way they are fabbing a ..09 chip when the one they haven't demoed yet is going to be .10.
Originally posted by AirSluf
Occams razor, and no IBM did not deliver, but did announce working prototype silicon that was faster than shipping G4's.
It was not a prototype.
It was a stipped down PPC core just to demonstrate that they can do 1 GHz.
I'm sure moto had lotsa prototypes one offs that ran VERY VERY quickly in limited tests, but they couldn't masss produce them and they couldn't really talk about them either. IBM, OTOH, was free to spin their tech demos into gold without, a kind of poor sportsmanship where they pointed fingers and said, "look, we can do it better, see" but nonetheless never actually did it better. People talk about them not trying, I say that's just as dangerous as failing, but think about it for a second, if IBM really could have scaled the PPC so wildly, would adding an SIMD to the G3, essentially making it into a G4, or clocking their own 604 design and improving it for SIMD and MP, really have been so difficult? NO, of course not, but they did neither, not because they didn't have a customer, they themselves used 604's and embedded customers wanted G4's. The simple answer is they couldn't do it either. Maybe they can now, but they never did, and couldn't before. Simple really, IBM is as much to blame for the current state of the PPC as both Moto and Apple.
Originally posted by Kurt
What is with the teeth?
*laff*
I'm surprised you were the only one who noticed it. Those are my teeth. I added them to the image shortly after the URL was posted.
Originally posted by BRussell
Where does it say IBM has G3s at 1Ghz now? They've always said the 750FX goes to 1Ghz. They said that in October 2001, before the chip had even been sold to anyone. That doesn't mean they had gotten there yet.
Man, are you a tough sell. It says it right there on the pdf that I linked to.
Here is the quote from the pdf
"Products from 600MHz to 1GHz for computing, networking,
storage, imaging, and consumer systems".
The pdf is obviously a tri-fold brochure to be used in selling IBM solutions. I doubt seriously that IBM would have prepared this document and then left it available all this time, for download from their website, if a 1.0GHz 750 wasn't available. I could be wrong, it has been known to happen, but I tend to believe this part is, and has been, available.
You get a range of processor speeds in the production process with higher clocking chips being fewer in volume than the lower and thus more expensive.IBM was already able to ship the G3 at 700 meg with the .18 micron process(remember the last G3 imac?).Apple now only uses a 900 made with .13 tech.So there are certainly G3's that clock higher than this,but apple doesnt use them.I suspect they could ship affordably 1.2 gig parts or there abouts if apple wanted to pay for them.