It works on a platform with ~5% marketshare, not even all of them running the OS required for it, and even among those who are running the proper OS many don't have the hardware to run it. The software doesn't work with the vast majority of webcams that have been selling over the last few years and if you meet all the other requirements you have to have access to broadband with appropriate bandwidth allowances.
Unless "the rest of us" means <97% of installed computer users.
MSN Messenger has video conferencing, I think that would come closer to "the rest of us", but maybe that's just me.
Groverat, you belong over in the arse battlefront, you will find a very receptive audience there.
I spent 15 years toiling in the Windows World before OSX brought me out of the darkness. OSX is more than innovative, it is the "holy grail" of the Unix environment. A pleasing, easy to use and configure front end to the arcane and obtuse Unix command line.
iChat AV will prove to be the "killer app" that Apple needs to make the "switcher" campaign work. I've used NetMeeting, ICU, iSpyQ, Camarades, and others and none of them actually worked. Integrating audio seems to be the problem that none of the others were able to solve without thousands of dollars for a high end solution.
The iChat AV (beta mind you) was up and running in minutes after downloading it. I was able to actually have video conferencing with people from England, Germany and France as well as all over the U.S.A.
This on day one of the product's availability.
iChat AV: The picture is great, the sound better than my speakerphone. It just works. That is the innovative part. This will sell a lot of Macs.
You're right. If you had the ability to comprehend my posts you would see me explicitly saying that building on someone else's work is the smart way to do things. Also you'll never see me saying that Gates invented DOS (where you get that from I have no idea) or that Gates didn't copy the Finder (where you get that form I have no idea, either).
I didn't say that you believed Gates invented DOS, I implied that you believed Gates invented anything.
Stay on topic if you acn.
I'll try....what was the topic again?
XeroxPARC?
This whole history is very simple and known to all at Xerox. Xerox innovated a cool interface. Apple took that interface and turned it into a great, useable consumer operating system. Microsoft stole that operating system and made it into an inferior operating system...until it could by its way into something better.
One company was innovative, the other derivative.
One company improved the system, one didn't.
One company invented desktop publishing, one didn't.
Anyway innovation is sometimes a difficult concept for some people to grasp. They are usually the same people that admire McDonald's and Budweiser as innovators.
Groverat, you belong over in the arse battlefront, you will find a very receptive audience there.
I spent 15 years toiling in the Windows World before OSX brought me out of the darkness. OSX is more than innovative, it is the "holy grail" of the Unix environment. A pleasing, easy to use and configure front end to the arcane and obtuse Unix command line.
iChat AV will prove to be the "killer app" that Apple needs to make the "switcher" campaign work. I've used NetMeeting, ICU, iSpyQ, Camarades, and others and none of them actually worked. Integrating audio seems to be the problem that none of the others were able to solve without thousands of dollars for a high end solution.
The iChat AV (beta mind you) was up and running in minutes after downloading it. I was able to actually have video conferencing with people from England, Germany and France as well as all over the U.S.A.
This on day one of the product's availability.
iChat AV: The picture is great, the sound better than my speakerphone. It just works. That is the innovative part. This will sell a lot of Macs.
Aphelion ...
.
Amen.
Lemon Bon Bon
PS. Windows software is ugly looking, buggy sh*t. Just my opinion...
iChat AV will prove to be the "killer app" that Apple needs to make the "switcher" campaign work. I've used NetMeeting, ICU, iSpyQ, Camarades, and others and none of them actually worked. Integrating audio seems to be the problem that none of the others were able to solve without thousands of dollars for a high end solution.
The iChat AV (beta mind you) was up and running in minutes after downloading it. I was able to actually have video conferencing with people from England, Germany and France as well as all over the U.S.A.
This on day one of the product's availability.
iChat AV: The picture is great, the sound better than my speakerphone. It just works. That is the innovative part. This will sell a lot of Macs.
Aphelion ...
edit: formatting fix
You hear that Gates? Your gonna get your ?uckin' ass kicked!
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But they are the first to make it so simple I can shamelessly recommend its use to my grandmother. That is innovative.
Now if that isn't an intelligent benchmark I don't know what is.
If it weren?t, some other company would have already succeeded in providing video conferencing 'for the rest of us.'
Apple hasn't succeeded in doing that.
But I'm happy for you and your grandmother. Tell me how useful you two find it in three months.
Originally posted by groverat
Apple hasn't succeeded in doing that.
Back up your empty statements please. Thanks.
Unless "the rest of us" means <97% of installed computer users.
MSN Messenger has video conferencing, I think that would come closer to "the rest of us", but maybe that's just me.
I have nothing else to add. Carry on.
Oh, is this thread still going on?
I spent 15 years toiling in the Windows World before OSX brought me out of the darkness. OSX is more than innovative, it is the "holy grail" of the Unix environment. A pleasing, easy to use and configure front end to the arcane and obtuse Unix command line.
iChat AV will prove to be the "killer app" that Apple needs to make the "switcher" campaign work. I've used NetMeeting, ICU, iSpyQ, Camarades, and others and none of them actually worked. Integrating audio seems to be the problem that none of the others were able to solve without thousands of dollars for a high end solution.
The iChat AV (beta mind you) was up and running in minutes after downloading it. I was able to actually have video conferencing with people from England, Germany and France as well as all over the U.S.A.
This on day one of the product's availability.
iChat AV: The picture is great, the sound better than my speakerphone. It just works. That is the innovative part. This will sell a lot of Macs.
Aphelion ...
edit: formatting fix
Originally posted by groverat
You're right. If you had the ability to comprehend my posts you would see me explicitly saying that building on someone else's work is the smart way to do things. Also you'll never see me saying that Gates invented DOS (where you get that from I have no idea) or that Gates didn't copy the Finder (where you get that form I have no idea, either).
I didn't say that you believed Gates invented DOS, I implied that you believed Gates invented anything.
Stay on topic if you acn.
I'll try....what was the topic again?
XeroxPARC?
This whole history is very simple and known to all at Xerox. Xerox innovated a cool interface. Apple took that interface and turned it into a great, useable consumer operating system. Microsoft stole that operating system and made it into an inferior operating system...until it could by its way into something better.
One company was innovative, the other derivative.
One company improved the system, one didn't.
One company invented desktop publishing, one didn't.
Anyway innovation is sometimes a difficult concept for some people to grasp. They are usually the same people that admire McDonald's and Budweiser as innovators.
Groverat, you belong over in the arse battlefront, you will find a very receptive audience there.
I spent 15 years toiling in the Windows World before OSX brought me out of the darkness. OSX is more than innovative, it is the "holy grail" of the Unix environment. A pleasing, easy to use and configure front end to the arcane and obtuse Unix command line.
iChat AV will prove to be the "killer app" that Apple needs to make the "switcher" campaign work. I've used NetMeeting, ICU, iSpyQ, Camarades, and others and none of them actually worked. Integrating audio seems to be the problem that none of the others were able to solve without thousands of dollars for a high end solution.
The iChat AV (beta mind you) was up and running in minutes after downloading it. I was able to actually have video conferencing with people from England, Germany and France as well as all over the U.S.A.
This on day one of the product's availability.
iChat AV: The picture is great, the sound better than my speakerphone. It just works. That is the innovative part. This will sell a lot of Macs.
Aphelion ...
.
Amen.
Lemon Bon Bon
PS. Windows software is ugly looking, buggy sh*t. Just my opinion...
PPS.
It just works. That is the innovative part.
Originally posted by Aphelion
e and obtuse Unix command line.
iChat AV will prove to be the "killer app" that Apple needs to make the "switcher" campaign work. I've used NetMeeting, ICU, iSpyQ, Camarades, and others and none of them actually worked. Integrating audio seems to be the problem that none of the others were able to solve without thousands of dollars for a high end solution.
The iChat AV (beta mind you) was up and running in minutes after downloading it. I was able to actually have video conferencing with people from England, Germany and France as well as all over the U.S.A.
This on day one of the product's availability.
iChat AV: The picture is great, the sound better than my speakerphone. It just works. That is the innovative part. This will sell a lot of Macs.
Aphelion ...
edit: formatting fix
You hear that Gates? Your gonna get your ?uckin' ass kicked!