well the only reason i ask is because apple likes to ride their prices and current configs as long as possible before they feel they have to upgrade (i think moto made them ride their configs longer then they wnated though) so since they have this awesome fast machien i didn't know fi they'd try and ride it or not
guess stupidly asked and the answer is they will update
well then how about do you think more then once (is that a better question? )
well the only reason i ask is because apple likes to ride their prices and current configs as long as possible before they feel they have to upgrade (i think moto made them ride their configs longer then they wnated though) so since they have this awesome fast machien i didn't know fi they'd try and ride it or not
guess stupidly asked and the answer is they will update
well then how about do you think more then once (is that a better question? )
Here's optimism for you. 6 months seems to be Apple's sweet spot for upgrades to system speeds, etc. With IBM's success in already getting the G5 to 2 Gigs, I say they have it that soon. Steve did say "less than a year" after all.
Odds are that there will be "speed bumps" before 6 months as IBM rams up production and the yields of faster chips improve and they apply incremental process improvements.
Odds are that there will be "speed bumps" before 6 months as IBM rams up production and the yields of faster chips improve and they apply incremental process improvements.
It would be a great PR move if Apple could do an update with the release of Panther by the end of the year. "The fastest PC just got faster, and with our new 64 bit OS your critical Apps like Oracle run 'X' times faster than they do on a Windows computer."
1. AMD is toast if they can't get to 90 nm by Q2 04.
2. If Intel ships Prescott in Q4 03, signalling the ramp up of their 90 nm, watch out. That's plenty of clock rate scaling (4+ GHz) to fend off any comers. If Intel doesn't, AMD gets a reprieve.
3. IBM might be capable of shipping 2.4 to 2.6 GHz 970s in Q4 03 as the chip and 130 nm fab matures together. It's all about increasing the yields.
4. 90 nm 970 chips will probably scale up to 3.6 GHz (after awhile) if IBM can squeeze 2.4 GHz on 130 nm.
5. Last I heard, IBM ramps up the 90 nm fab sometime 1H 04.
6. Dollars to donuts, AMD will ask IBM to fab Athlon 64 on IBM's 130 and 90 fabs.
1. AMD is toast if they can't get to 90 nm by Q2 04.
2. If Intel ships Prescott in Q4 03, signalling the ramp up of their 90 nm, watch out. That's plenty of clock rate scaling (4+ GHz) to fend off any comers. If Intel doesn't, AMD gets a reprieve.
3. IBM might be capable of shipping 2.4 to 2.6 GHz 970s in Q4 03 as the chip and 130 nm fab matures together. It's all about increasing the yields.
4. 90 nm 970 chips will probably scale up to 3.6 GHz (after awhile) if IBM can squeeze 2.4 GHz on 130 nm.
5. Last I heard, IBM ramps up the 90 nm fab sometime 1H 04.
6. Dollars to donuts, AMD will ask IBM to fab Athlon 64 on IBM's 130 and 90 fabs.
I was hoping for a Rev. B around 2.5ghz around christmas, but like someone else pointed out in another thread... it'll have only been 4 months since the first G5s ship. Maybe Feb.?
I was hoping for a Rev. B around 2.5ghz around christmas, but like someone else pointed out in another thread... it'll have only been 4 months since the first G5s ship. Maybe Feb.?
But there's a difference between when IBM starts fabricating in volume and Apple have a viable stock of packaged processors bundled up in the destination platform.
Assuming that 0.09 starts production volume work in November/December, Apple will have to wait until February for an initial buffer stock and reliable supply. Construction of those machines could start at low volume around the end of January, with shipment to market at around the start of March. Which gets you to 3GHz within a year.
However, 2.2 and 2.5 GHz will probably start becoming reliable product around July/August, which gives you an entry point of November, and lets the 1.6 and 1.8 become viable for iMac - based on the slower mobo design - once production shifts to 0.09 thus dealing with some of the heat issues.
Thus you have a differentiated and segemented product range, and the calendar seems about right.
970 is here for atleast 2 years right? i was thinking it was scalable to 4Ghz + ?
What is the actual top MHZ of the 970? Will we be ssing the 980 that fast?
Not really. The 970 is basically the interim chip to start the ball rolling. IBM will want to quickly transition to the 980 bing based off the POWER5 Core..it should have internal design tweaks that give it a noticable edge over the 970. The 980 will be 90nm only. This means IBM gets their EF Fab "broken in" with the 970 before moving to the 980. I'm looking forwared to SMT in the 980 giving us the power of Quad processing in a Dual CPU config.
Odds are that there will be "speed bumps" before 6 months as IBM rams up production and the yields of faster chips improve and they apply incremental process improvements.
I don't buy this ramping up production stuff. I think personally (based on nothing but speculation) that they likely have the next speed bumps ready and are sitting on it for economic reasons - IE - new chip, tonnes of people going to upgrade right now, let's take advantage of that. I don't imagine it costs IBM any more to make a 2.5Ghz chip over a 2gig. So, milk each mini-bump.
My prediction:
January:
1.8Ghz low end. 2 Ghz middle 2.4 or 2.5 dual as the high.
I was hoping for a Rev. B around 2.5ghz around christmas, but like someone else pointed out in another thread... it'll have only been 4 months since the first G5s ship. Maybe Feb.?
Solution: announce and ship two months later (not like apple doesn't do this already?)"
I don't buy this ramping up production stuff. I think personally (based on nothing but speculation) that they likely have the next speed bumps ready and are sitting on it for economic reasons - IE - new chip, tonnes of people going to upgrade right now, let's take advantage of that. I don't imagine it costs IBM any more to make a 2.5Ghz chip over a 2gig. So, milk each mini-bump.
My prediction:
January:
1.8Ghz low end. 2 Ghz middle 2.4 or 2.5 dual as the high.
June 2004:
2.2 low, 2.8 mid, dual 3ghz high.
My guess (this is so ridiculous we're making these guesses now!) for February 2004 is single 2.0 dual 2.0 dual 2.5
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guess stupidly asked and the answer is they will update
well then how about do you think more then once (is that a better question?
Originally posted by ast3r3x
well the only reason i ask is because apple likes to ride their prices and current configs as long as possible before they feel they have to upgrade (i think moto made them ride their configs longer then they wnated though) so since they have this awesome fast machien i didn't know fi they'd try and ride it or not
guess stupidly asked and the answer is they will update
well then how about do you think more then once (is that a better question?
Here's optimism for you. 6 months seems to be Apple's sweet spot for upgrades to system speeds, etc. With IBM's success in already getting the G5 to 2 Gigs, I say they have it that soon. Steve did say "less than a year" after all.
Flatpainter
Originally posted by RBR
Odds are that there will be "speed bumps" before 6 months as IBM rams up production and the yields of faster chips improve and they apply incremental process improvements.
It would be a great PR move if Apple could do an update with the release of Panther by the end of the year. "The fastest PC just got faster, and with our new 64 bit OS your critical Apps like Oracle run 'X' times faster than they do on a Windows computer."
2. If Intel ships Prescott in Q4 03, signalling the ramp up of their 90 nm, watch out. That's plenty of clock rate scaling (4+ GHz) to fend off any comers. If Intel doesn't, AMD gets a reprieve.
3. IBM might be capable of shipping 2.4 to 2.6 GHz 970s in Q4 03 as the chip and 130 nm fab matures together. It's all about increasing the yields.
4. 90 nm 970 chips will probably scale up to 3.6 GHz (after awhile) if IBM can squeeze 2.4 GHz on 130 nm.
5. Last I heard, IBM ramps up the 90 nm fab sometime 1H 04.
6. Dollars to donuts, AMD will ask IBM to fab Athlon 64 on IBM's 130 and 90 fabs.
Originally posted by THT
1. AMD is toast if they can't get to 90 nm by Q2 04.
2. If Intel ships Prescott in Q4 03, signalling the ramp up of their 90 nm, watch out. That's plenty of clock rate scaling (4+ GHz) to fend off any comers. If Intel doesn't, AMD gets a reprieve.
3. IBM might be capable of shipping 2.4 to 2.6 GHz 970s in Q4 03 as the chip and 130 nm fab matures together. It's all about increasing the yields.
4. 90 nm 970 chips will probably scale up to 3.6 GHz (after awhile) if IBM can squeeze 2.4 GHz on 130 nm.
5. Last I heard, IBM ramps up the 90 nm fab sometime 1H 04.
6. Dollars to donuts, AMD will ask IBM to fab Athlon 64 on IBM's 130 and 90 fabs.
Don't forget about the 980 next year
Originally posted by Akumulator
I was hoping for a Rev. B around 2.5ghz around christmas, but like someone else pointed out in another thread... it'll have only been 4 months since the first G5s ship. Maybe Feb.?
But there's a difference between when IBM starts fabricating in volume and Apple have a viable stock of packaged processors bundled up in the destination platform.
Assuming that 0.09 starts production volume work in November/December, Apple will have to wait until February for an initial buffer stock and reliable supply. Construction of those machines could start at low volume around the end of January, with shipment to market at around the start of March. Which gets you to 3GHz within a year.
However, 2.2 and 2.5 GHz will probably start becoming reliable product around July/August, which gives you an entry point of November, and lets the 1.6 and 1.8 become viable for iMac - based on the slower mobo design - once production shifts to 0.09 thus dealing with some of the heat issues.
Thus you have a differentiated and segemented product range, and the calendar seems about right.
Originally posted by THT
1. AMD is toast if they can't get to 90 nm by Q2 04.
AMD is doomed! Doomed I tell ya! Thank $DEITY Apple didn't go with them!
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Originally posted by Anders
Isn´t it funny it is the old horses (Intel and IBM) that is winning now? What happened to Transmedia, AMD and Mot?
R&D $s in a post .bomb economy happened I think.
Originally posted by O and A
Don't forget about the 980 next year
WTF?
970 is here for atleast 2 years right? i was thinking it was scalable to 4Ghz + ?
What is the actual top MHZ of the 970? Will we be ssing the 980 that fast?
Originally posted by macnn sux
WTF?
970 is here for atleast 2 years right? i was thinking it was scalable to 4Ghz + ?
What is the actual top MHZ of the 970? Will we be ssing the 980 that fast?
Not really. The 970 is basically the interim chip to start the ball rolling. IBM will want to quickly transition to the 980 bing based off the POWER5 Core..it should have internal design tweaks that give it a noticable edge over the 970. The 980 will be 90nm only. This means IBM gets their EF Fab "broken in" with the 970 before moving to the 980. I'm looking forwared to SMT in the 980 giving us the power of Quad processing in a Dual CPU config.
Originally posted by RBR
Odds are that there will be "speed bumps" before 6 months as IBM rams up production and the yields of faster chips improve and they apply incremental process improvements.
I don't buy this ramping up production stuff. I think personally (based on nothing but speculation) that they likely have the next speed bumps ready and are sitting on it for economic reasons - IE - new chip, tonnes of people going to upgrade right now, let's take advantage of that. I don't imagine it costs IBM any more to make a 2.5Ghz chip over a 2gig. So, milk each mini-bump.
My prediction:
January:
1.8Ghz low end. 2 Ghz middle 2.4 or 2.5 dual as the high.
June 2004:
2.2 low, 2.8 mid, dual 3ghz high.
Originally posted by Akumulator
I was hoping for a Rev. B around 2.5ghz around christmas, but like someone else pointed out in another thread... it'll have only been 4 months since the first G5s ship. Maybe Feb.?
Solution: announce and ship two months later (not like apple doesn't do this already?)"
Originally posted by The Mactivist
I don't buy this ramping up production stuff. I think personally (based on nothing but speculation) that they likely have the next speed bumps ready and are sitting on it for economic reasons - IE - new chip, tonnes of people going to upgrade right now, let's take advantage of that. I don't imagine it costs IBM any more to make a 2.5Ghz chip over a 2gig. So, milk each mini-bump.
My prediction:
January:
1.8Ghz low end. 2 Ghz middle 2.4 or 2.5 dual as the high.
June 2004:
2.2 low, 2.8 mid, dual 3ghz high.
My guess (this is so ridiculous we're making these guesses now!) for February 2004 is single 2.0 dual 2.0 dual 2.5
Originally posted by Flounder
My guess (this is so ridiculous we're making these guesses now!) for February 2004 is single 2.0 dual 2.0 dual 2.5
I agree. I hope the middle box goes to dual with the next rev.
Originally posted by THT
5. Last I heard, IBM ramps up the 90 nm fab sometime 1H 04.
Do you have a link for that timeframe? This is super important because a 970 portable is dependent on the 90 nm die shrink.