This is being discussed in a number of other threads. It depends on whether you consider this a workstation (in which case its availability is not interesting, given that 64 bit workstations have been available for years) or a personal computer. It doesn't help that the distinction between the two is blurred, and getting blurrier. Perhaps BOXX is a small enough vendor that Steve had not even heard of them?
Obviously, definitions and opinions vary wildly (I've heard PowerMac G4s referred to as "workstations"). This all involves marketing, so some stretching of the truth is almost inevitable (and, in the case of Apple, not at all unheard of). The important thing is that the PM G5 is imminent, it's indisputably capable of running with the 64-bit workstation pack in terms of performance, and it's priced within the traditional bracket for PowerMacs, not 64-bit workstations.
Wow! $2,344 dollars for a dual Opteron, 1GB of memory, 40GB HD and a 52x CD-ROM? Colour me not impressed. Sure the dual 2GHz by Apple is more expensive, but you get a hell of a lot more for the money.
"It" may have some higher SPEC numbers than a G5 or a Xeon, but in real-world tests the dual Opteron isn't a clear winner over the Xeon that the G5 was put up against -- better than a Xeon at some things, but underperforming the Xeon -- and hence very likely underperforming the G5 -- at the kinds of things Apple demoed, like audio, video, and 3-D effects.
Also worth noting is despite the initial price of US $2,344.00 shown, that's the slowest model with practically nothing installed. Pick the top dual 1.8 GHz model and equip it as close as you can to the $3000 dual G5, and you come out at around $4200.
On a purely aesthetic note, even if you think the new G5 looks like a giant cheese grater or a stereo from the 70s, you'd have to admit that the G5 has a lot more style and grace than this aptly-named "Boxx" system.
Wow! $2,344 dollars for a dual Opteron, 1GB of memory, 40GB HD and a 52x CD-ROM? Colour me not impressed. Sure the dual 2GHz by Apple is more expensive, but you get a hell of a lot more for the money.
"Dual AMD® Opteron® Processor Capable"
That box is a single processor machine for $2,344, and as such should be compared to Apple's single processor offerings. A second processor adds over $1,000 to the price. Adding a DVD burner adds another $400 to the price. FireWire another $40, and so on.
The actual price for a machine configured comparably to the dual 1ghz G5 is about $4,000... and it isn't shipping right now, they are simply taking orders for it.
I'm getting my 64bit chips mixed up. Which one (operton?) is the one that takes a speed hit when it has to throttle down for 32bit apps*?
* like all the ones 99% of people use.
Intel's Itanium, which uses an entirely different instruction set and so has to run x86 code in emulation. AMD's Opteron runs 32-bit x86 code natively, with no penalty.
Wow... Model Numbers? What could be more confusing?
They are trying so hard to hide the fact that Hz doesn't mean everything...
They should have taken a clue from Apple and kept their 32 bit processor speeds way low, so that way when they moved to 64bit they could claim a jump in speed
No 3dDan, Steve only lied to you. Because he hates you and wishes you'd crawl into a hole and die.
Hey 'kim sap sol'
There's no need to get nasty is there?
Did you get out of the wrong side of the bed today?
I've been a fanatical Apple user for the last 18 years (probably longer than you've been alive), I was simply looking for the forum members comments, not some childish post like yours.
3dDan, i think the problem lies with your initial title and post. you didn't really flesh out what you mean, so it leaves a lot of room for interpretation. if you want you threads to be taken seriously, you've got to give people a place to start from, someplace to work from.
a post saying "steve lied, look at this link" will be a much worse response than one that says the same thing only fleshed out.
Comments
Originally posted by 3dDan
Comments on this please
It's already shipping..
http://www.boxxtech.com/asp/cf_step2...InstanceID=180
This is being discussed in a number of other threads. It depends on whether you consider this a workstation (in which case its availability is not interesting, given that 64 bit workstations have been available for years) or a personal computer. It doesn't help that the distinction between the two is blurred, and getting blurrier. Perhaps BOXX is a small enough vendor that Steve had not even heard of them?
Obviously, definitions and opinions vary wildly (I've heard PowerMac G4s referred to as "workstations"). This all involves marketing, so some stretching of the truth is almost inevitable (and, in the case of Apple, not at all unheard of). The important thing is that the PM G5 is imminent, it's indisputably capable of running with the 64-bit workstation pack in terms of performance, and it's priced within the traditional bracket for PowerMacs, not 64-bit workstations.
Originally posted by 3dDan
Comments on this please
It's already shipping..
http://www.boxxtech.com/asp/cf_step2...InstanceID=180
Lied about what, exactly?
"It" may have some higher SPEC numbers than a G5 or a Xeon, but in real-world tests the dual Opteron isn't a clear winner over the Xeon that the G5 was put up against -- better than a Xeon at some things, but underperforming the Xeon -- and hence very likely underperforming the G5 -- at the kinds of things Apple demoed, like audio, video, and 3-D effects.
Also worth noting is despite the initial price of US $2,344.00 shown, that's the slowest model with practically nothing installed. Pick the top dual 1.8 GHz model and equip it as close as you can to the $3000 dual G5, and you come out at around $4200.
On a purely aesthetic note, even if you think the new G5 looks like a giant cheese grater or a stereo from the 70s, you'd have to admit that the G5 has a lot more style and grace than this aptly-named "Boxx" system.
Originally posted by TheFixer
Wow! $2,344 dollars for a dual Opteron, 1GB of memory, 40GB HD and a 52x CD-ROM? Colour me not impressed. Sure the dual 2GHz by Apple is more expensive, but you get a hell of a lot more for the money.
"Dual AMD® Opteron® Processor Capable"
That box is a single processor machine for $2,344, and as such should be compared to Apple's single processor offerings. A second processor adds over $1,000 to the price. Adding a DVD burner adds another $400 to the price. FireWire another $40, and so on.
The actual price for a machine configured comparably to the dual 1ghz G5 is about $4,000... and it isn't shipping right now, they are simply taking orders for it.
* like all the ones 99% of people use.
Originally posted by MrSparkle
It does kind of make me sick how cheap those graphics cards are, though.
If you look at what apple is charing for the 9800 pro its a good deal
Originally posted by moki
That box is a single processor machine for $2,344
False.
There is no single processor option.
Unless "Dual Opteron Model 240" actually means "Single Opteron Model 240".
Originally posted by keyboardf12
I'm getting my 64bit chips mixed up. Which one (operton?) is the one that takes a speed hit when it has to throttle down for 32bit apps*?
* like all the ones 99% of people use.
Intel's Itanium, which uses an entirely different instruction set and so has to run x86 code in emulation. AMD's Opteron runs 32-bit x86 code natively, with no penalty.
Originally posted by 3dDan
Comments on this please
It's already shipping..
http://www.boxxtech.com/asp/cf_step2...InstanceID=180
The model number 240 is a 1.4 GHz processor. See this link:Understanding AMD Opteron? Processor Model Numbers
Bump that up to the dual 1.8 GHz (model 244) and watch the price jump to over $3600
It seems Steve jobs lied to us?
Who's "us"?
They are trying so hard to hide the fact that Hz doesn't mean everything...
They should have taken a clue from Apple and kept their 32 bit processor speeds way low, so that way when they moved to 64bit they could claim a jump in speed
Apple has one hell of a product with the G5
Fellowship
Originally posted by 3dDan
Comments on this please
It's already shipping..
http://www.boxxtech.com/asp/cf_step2...InstanceID=180
It's got a floppy
No 3dDan, Steve only lied to you. Because he hates you and wishes you'd crawl into a hole and die.
i hereby nominate this post for funniest post of the month.
quality.
Originally posted by kim kap sol
No 3dDan, Steve only lied to you. Because he hates you and wishes you'd crawl into a hole and die.
Hey 'kim sap sol'
There's no need to get nasty is there?
Did you get out of the wrong side of the bed today?
I've been a fanatical Apple user for the last 18 years (probably longer than you've been alive), I was simply looking for the forum members comments, not some childish post like yours.
Grow up
3d
p.s. 'sap' in English means: http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=sap
(chump, dolt, drip, dupe, fall guy, fool, gull, idiot, jerk, mark, nincompoop, ninny, nitwit, pigeon, schlemiel, simpleton, sucker, twit, weakling)
a post saying "steve lied, look at this link" will be a much worse response than one that says the same thing only fleshed out.