the more i think about it, the more i see the new case fully bugged.
this time, instead of working on a swiss-like jewel -like the cube was- they have over-engineered and over-sized everything, just to make us get the subliminal impression than bigger is faster -finally.
you already know that the new case has way less room inside to store things,while beeing MUCH bigger than g3-g4. Moreover, It's not only enormous but it weights a ton too. And if you objectively observe it, it doesnt has any *object of desire* appeal anymore apple products were most renowed for.
I seriously doubt this can be called a desktop anymore, in the sense that i'm pretty positive no one is going to have this monster building on their desktops, xcept for the first week obviously (look at my new toy, etc). It is way too obstrusive and ugly.
Anyway, the ground floor is going to be the primary place of this new G5: read a very big problem with dust, beeing the computer so open with those two sides of grilled aluminium.
Mr Ives should have driven one of those cute and very functional SMART cars before designing the G5. Not always bigger is better.
i'm not sure dust will be as big of a problem as people think...i think since there is good airflow it won't be as bad...especially since its one direction airflow adn not randome like some cases
We'll let Eugene design the next box, where the air flow is from the bottom to the top, and possibly needing fewer fans. It'll be just as fugly (of course, I've never seen Eugene's designs), but maybe more useful inside.
I just keep wondering if this thing is rack mountable, does anyone know? It would be nice if it had more internal expansion, but for the things I'm interested in, audio and video, firewire is way more of the future than PCI slots and I'd rather have a quieter machine than two optical drives or the ablility to add another internal hard drive. Anyway I think it will look great sitting under my desk.
The joke's on all of you. That G5 is actually the box that the G4 shipped in.
The G5 IS overdesigned, but remember, it's designed for the innards Apple expects to be shipping in three years or so. Not the 2GHz processors of today, but the 3, 4 and 5GHz systems down the road. (Gawd, it seems odd to be mentioning 5GHz systems and Apple in the same paragraph.)
i'm not sure dust will be as big of a problem as people think...i think since there is good airflow it won't be as bad...especially since its one direction airflow adn not randome like some cases
You are right a liminar airflow, without turbulences will prevent the dust to accumulate in the boxes.
For the others :
For the weight the new design will be light, simply because aluminium has a very low density, and the front and back panel are full of holes (35 %). It's possible that the new case is less heavy than el capitan.
The anology with car design is pretty irrelevant here, the products are to much different to be compared.
1. Is it a fact that one case is designed for 3 different configurations? If so, it should have alerted some of you because 1x1.6 GHz and 2x2 GHz systems have very different heat dissipation needs. It may be simple economy. It may hint, however, at all duals in the near future.
2. Do two G5 at 2 GHz really need such vacuum cleaner approach? Their heat sinks look industrial, for sure, but is this extreme necessary? If not, it may speak of more horse power in the same-looking boxes.
3. I presume that the case design team knew that dustbin cases are hard to clean. I presume they knew that almost nobody these days uses computers in sterile rooms. Still, they produced an almost transparent box which doesn't need a fan to gather all the dust you have.
I'm not an airflow guru, but I suspect that these cases are intended to enclose some much hotter iron. At the very least, such a monster with 7(?) fans is overkill for a single 1.6 GHz CPU.
[Edit:] Sorry, I spent too much time writing this and could not see the 2 posts above.
2. We'd all feel a lot better if there was space for a third drive.
I'm sure Apple could've fit more drives in that box if they wanted to - hell thy could've made the box 2 inches taller to accommodate a few more drives. They didn't though, and this was a deliberate choice.
You see, by not including another S-ATA bus, Apple saved money manufacturing the behemoths. Additionally, by not making the Rev A G5 incredibly expandible, Apple will give us more reason to buy a Rev B, C or D G5 that will have another S-ATA bus and room for a second optical drive.
I know everyone wants room for a second optical drive and at least 4 hard drives - even though 90% of the time these extra bays sit empty - but holding back these less-essential features is just good business. Though people come here to piss and moan, I'm sure Apple won't have lost a significant number of sales over these missing features.
The G5 IS overdesigned, but remember, it's designed for the innards Apple expects to be shipping in three years or so.
I don't think this point can be stressed enough.
El capitan wasn't designed for systems with more than two processors because it was impossible (impractical) with the G4. However, the cheese-grater was designed for the G5, a chip specifically engineered for full SMP. I have confidence that not only can this case house a dual 4 gig monster, but that it could easily handle a quad 4 gig setup.
Also, with the near ubiquity of home or office LANs for the owners of G5s, decreased internal storage is less of an issue. (with the emphasis on the less) Outboard storage is becoming the norm for pro setups. Gigabit ethernet, firewire800, fibre channel, and Serial ATA all provide some interesting routes for additional storage.
Sure, most people appreciate expansion options if it means no increase in price. However, it is quite possible that providing such expansion would necessitate a case redesign in the much nearer future.
I tend to give benefit of the doubt to the apple design team. We just don't know about apple's other products like future CPUs or orphaned product lines. Would the current case make more sense if we knew Apple is working on a firewire800 based expansion chassis? Perhaps they're working on a multi-tower line-up. Or perhaps Apple has looked at the statistics and determined that they can make the most money on a case with these expansion options?
That is a CPU preference pane that is bundled with Developer tools. It allows disabling certain CPU aspects such as turning off a processor, or shutting off cache.
Well I must say that for me the new case does inspire awe and lust. I find it utterly beautiful. It's sparse, clean, and a little raw, like any industrial-strength power workstation should be. At first glance it gives the appearance of almost being thrown together, as if the case's only purpose is to house some incredibly powerful and dangerous innards, and the perforated front panel even gives one glimpses of exposed circuit boards and wires. Yet further examination of the aluminum case reveals elegant lines and a cutting shape, with exquisite attention to detail. And that's only the outside! The interior design is something to behold--I can't wait to see it in person.
I do wish it had more expansion capacity. To my untrained eye it seems like Apple could have just added a couple inches to the top compartment to make room enough for 4 HDs and two optical bays, all without making the tower all that much taller. But I don't know of the weight or cost requirements that drove the current design.
One thing is certain: This case is overengineered for the current CPUs. After the extensive redesigns of the El Capitan case to provide cooling for Motorola's lame-ass processors, it seems that Apple has settled on a tower design that shouldn't need an interior redesign each time IBM scales the 970. It would be interesting to get an analysis from an engineer who knows about air flow and cooling design, for an estimate of how hot a CPU the new G5 case is capable of cooling.
Perhaps we'll see more expansion capacity in future revisions. Surely Apple is feeling the heat from feedback about the lack of expansion bays. If the criticism is loud enough Apple will listen, but it will take very high numbers of Mac users complaining. I already sent feedback to a few places at Apple, telling them that I will not upgrade from my MDD to a new Powermac until they have adequate expansion capacity. Of course I don't have an MDD G4 or even the money for a G5, and if I did I would buy one instantly But I want to see this problem fixed and so I do what I can. 8)
it's very nice on that photo, but wait till it gets A TON (no room inside, remember?) of wires, breaking the monolith appearence.
And you dont want this on your desk, along a 23", unless:
-yours is smaller, and have to therapy yourself this way
-you want to work in a cubicle and your office doesn't have the money to build it.
seriously, i understand this case designed with the ability to work without the side door, showing the guts through the transparent plastic, as a very serious PC envyy/complex. It used to be PC owners who did all kind of ugly things to their cases, putting transparent doors and blue lights are so on, to impress ¿? people at net parties or whatever. i'd rather travel with my very elegant titanium.
The Cube was a beauty to show. The G5 is a workstation and belongs in the machine room, or under the desk.
But seriously, who's responsible for this width and corresponding 437 words per line? *tisk* *tisk*
Edit: Ironically, I got the first post on the next page so it isn't wide anymore. Guess I better post on topic.
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So... the IT guys here at work were lusting over the new G5s even though they administer linux servers and NT desktops. That is, they were lusting up until the point I explained that they could have a max of 2 HDs and one optical drive. They got real confused and didn't believe what they were hearing.
I chuckled and inquired what they would like to put into the computer. (an honest question) They basically wanted enough room for a tape drive and separate drives for a couple of the standard linux partitions.
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this time, instead of working on a swiss-like jewel -like the cube was- they have over-engineered and over-sized everything, just to make us get the subliminal impression than bigger is faster -finally.
you already know that the new case has way less room inside to store things,while beeing MUCH bigger than g3-g4. Moreover, It's not only enormous but it weights a ton too. And if you objectively observe it, it doesnt has any *object of desire* appeal anymore apple products were most renowed for.
I seriously doubt this can be called a desktop anymore, in the sense that i'm pretty positive no one is going to have this monster building on their desktops, xcept for the first week obviously (look at my new toy, etc). It is way too obstrusive and ugly.
Anyway, the ground floor is going to be the primary place of this new G5: read a very big problem with dust, beeing the computer so open with those two sides of grilled aluminium.
Mr Ives should have driven one of those cute and very functional SMART cars before designing the G5. Not always bigger is better.
This new case is a mistake.
Originally posted by jindrich
Moreover, It's not only enormous but it weights a ton too.
Umm, it's lighter than a MDD Power Mac G4.
Originally posted by JLL
Umm, it's lighter than a MDD Power Mac G4.
you do not prove someone wrong that was ranting!
i'm not sure dust will be as big of a problem as people think...i think since there is good airflow it won't be as bad...especially since its one direction airflow adn not randome like some cases
The G5 IS overdesigned, but remember, it's designed for the innards Apple expects to be shipping in three years or so. Not the 2GHz processors of today, but the 3, 4 and 5GHz systems down the road. (Gawd, it seems odd to be mentioning 5GHz systems and Apple in the same paragraph.)
Originally posted by ast3r3x
you do not prove someone wrong that was ranting!
i'm not sure dust will be as big of a problem as people think...i think since there is good airflow it won't be as bad...especially since its one direction airflow adn not randome like some cases
You are right a liminar airflow, without turbulences will prevent the dust to accumulate in the boxes.
For the others :
For the weight the new design will be light, simply because aluminium has a very low density, and the front and back panel are full of holes (35 %). It's possible that the new case is less heavy than el capitan.
The anology with car design is pretty irrelevant here, the products are to much different to be compared.
1. Is it a fact that one case is designed for 3 different configurations? If so, it should have alerted some of you because 1x1.6 GHz and 2x2 GHz systems have very different heat dissipation needs. It may be simple economy. It may hint, however, at all duals in the near future.
2. Do two G5 at 2 GHz really need such vacuum cleaner approach? Their heat sinks look industrial, for sure, but is this extreme necessary? If not, it may speak of more horse power in the same-looking boxes.
3. I presume that the case design team knew that dustbin cases are hard to clean. I presume they knew that almost nobody these days uses computers in sterile rooms. Still, they produced an almost transparent box which doesn't need a fan to gather all the dust you have.
I'm not an airflow guru, but I suspect that these cases are intended to enclose some much hotter iron. At the very least, such a monster with 7(?) fans is overkill for a single 1.6 GHz CPU.
[Edit:] Sorry, I spent too much time writing this and could not see the 2 posts above.
Originally posted by Moogs
I don't think there's much disputing:
2. We'd all feel a lot better if there was space for a third drive.
I'm sure Apple could've fit more drives in that box if they wanted to - hell thy could've made the box 2 inches taller to accommodate a few more drives. They didn't though, and this was a deliberate choice.
You see, by not including another S-ATA bus, Apple saved money manufacturing the behemoths. Additionally, by not making the Rev A G5 incredibly expandible, Apple will give us more reason to buy a Rev B, C or D G5 that will have another S-ATA bus and room for a second optical drive.
I know everyone wants room for a second optical drive and at least 4 hard drives - even though 90% of the time these extra bays sit empty - but holding back these less-essential features is just good business. Though people come here to piss and moan, I'm sure Apple won't have lost a significant number of sales over these missing features.
Originally posted by BrunoBruin
The G5 IS overdesigned, but remember, it's designed for the innards Apple expects to be shipping in three years or so.
I don't think this point can be stressed enough.
El capitan wasn't designed for systems with more than two processors because it was impossible (impractical) with the G4. However, the cheese-grater was designed for the G5, a chip specifically engineered for full SMP. I have confidence that not only can this case house a dual 4 gig monster, but that it could easily handle a quad 4 gig setup.
Also, with the near ubiquity of home or office LANs for the owners of G5s, decreased internal storage is less of an issue. (with the emphasis on the less) Outboard storage is becoming the norm for pro setups. Gigabit ethernet, firewire800, fibre channel, and Serial ATA all provide some interesting routes for additional storage.
Sure, most people appreciate expansion options if it means no increase in price. However, it is quite possible that providing such expansion would necessitate a case redesign in the much nearer future.
I tend to give benefit of the doubt to the apple design team. We just don't know about apple's other products like future CPUs or orphaned product lines. Would the current case make more sense if we knew Apple is working on a firewire800 based expansion chassis? Perhaps they're working on a multi-tower line-up. Or perhaps Apple has looked at the statistics and determined that they can make the most money on a case with these expansion options?
Originally posted by jindrich
It is way too obstrusive and ugly.
You are insane
Originally posted by Paul
what is this:
errr this:
http://homepage.mac.com/dstranathan/...WWDC03/cpu.gif
That is a CPU preference pane that is bundled with Developer tools. It allows disabling certain CPU aspects such as turning off a processor, or shutting off cache.
I do wish it had more expansion capacity. To my untrained eye it seems like Apple could have just added a couple inches to the top compartment to make room enough for 4 HDs and two optical bays, all without making the tower all that much taller. But I don't know of the weight or cost requirements that drove the current design.
One thing is certain: This case is overengineered for the current CPUs. After the extensive redesigns of the El Capitan case to provide cooling for Motorola's lame-ass processors, it seems that Apple has settled on a tower design that shouldn't need an interior redesign each time IBM scales the 970. It would be interesting to get an analysis from an engineer who knows about air flow and cooling design, for an estimate of how hot a CPU the new G5 case is capable of cooling.
Perhaps we'll see more expansion capacity in future revisions. Surely Apple is feeling the heat from feedback about the lack of expansion bays. If the criticism is loud enough Apple will listen, but it will take very high numbers of Mac users complaining. I already sent feedback to a few places at Apple, telling them that I will not upgrade from my MDD to a new Powermac until they have adequate expansion capacity. Of course I don't have an MDD G4 or even the money for a G5, and if I did I would buy one instantly
The G5 is HUGE!
That's what she said.
Originally posted by Ti Fighter
You are insane
it's very nice on that photo, but wait till it gets A TON (no room inside, remember?) of wires, breaking the monolith appearence.
And you dont want this on your desk, along a 23", unless:
-yours is smaller, and have to therapy yourself this way
-you want to work in a cubicle and your office doesn't have the money to build it.
seriously, i understand this case designed with the ability to work without the side door, showing the guts through the transparent plastic, as a very serious PC envyy/complex. It used to be PC owners who did all kind of ugly things to their cases, putting transparent doors and blue lights are so on, to impress ¿? people at net parties or whatever. i'd rather travel with my very elegant titanium.
The Cube was a beauty to show. The G5 is a workstation and belongs in the machine room, or under the desk.
Originally posted by I, Fred
When you see then side by side, you realize that only a fcukwitted design team could fail to include more space for internal expansion.
Best fcuking post ever!
This web page is huge!
But seriously, who's responsible for this width and corresponding 437 words per line? *tisk* *tisk*
Edit: Ironically, I got the first post on the next page so it isn't wide anymore. Guess I better post on topic.
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So... the IT guys here at work were lusting over the new G5s even though they administer linux servers and NT desktops. That is, they were lusting up until the point I explained that they could have a max of 2 HDs and one optical drive. They got real confused and didn't believe what they were hearing.
I chuckled and inquired what they would like to put into the computer. (an honest question) They basically wanted enough room for a tape drive and separate drives for a couple of the standard linux partitions.