it's very nice on that photo, but wait till it gets A TON (no room inside, remember?) of wires, breaking the monolith appearence.
Wires from what? you mean wires out the back? It wont detract from its beauty
And i want it on my desk next to my future 20" not for the reasons you listed but because I have enough room and its pretty. But I think for most people it will wind up on the floor because of lack of desk space, and functionality reasons not cuz its ugly.
But seriously, who's responsible for this width and corresponding 437 words per line? *tisk* *tisk*
Edit: Ironically, I got the first post on the next page so it isn't wide anymore. Guess I better post on topic.
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So... the IT guys here at work were lusting over the new G5s even though they administer linux servers and NT desktops. That is, they were lusting up until the point I explained that they could have a max of 2 HDs and one optical drive. They got real confused and didn't believe what they were hearing.
I chuckled and inquired what they would like to put into the computer. (an honest question) They basically wanted enough room for a tape drive and separate drives for a couple of the standard linux partitions.
tape drive?! HD's are cheap enough for them to buy those
also 500GB isn't enough room for them? they can always use firewire 800 or fibrewire to connect external sources for storage
tape drive?! HD's are cheap enough for them to buy those
backing up to HD isn't really a great method. It's ok but most don't like it cuz its unreliable. What if that HD goes bad too? tapes suck but they are more reliable.
backing up to HD isn't really a great method. It's ok but most don't like it cuz its unreliable. What if that HD goes bad too? tapes suck but they are more reliable.
i know u are right i will nto debate it but seriously...both HD's going bad, what are the chances? (probably better then tape going bad too)
tape drive?! HD's are cheap enough for them to buy those
also 500GB isn't enough room for them? they can always use firewire 800 or fibrewire to connect external sources for storage
Sheesh! Its like we keep going around in circles. Remind me not to share real-world IT perspectives... Gee, I never heard of firewire, expansion chasses, or networked storage.
Hmmm you are all mad... why would you need more room? You can have 2 x 120/200 Gig drives ( I forget the size of the current biggest one). That is a HUGE amount of DESKTOP storage!
If you are producing the amount of work to require more, then you will be able to afford a Xserve RAID.
Also, their are 3 PCIX expansion slots, one is shared with AGP slot i think so lets say worst case scenario, you have two slots. What exactly do you want to put in them?
The only thing I can think of is a second network card, and a fibre channel connection card.
Meh, most of the IT guys I know use external tape drives for archiving/backup. In terms of reliability, the area of mass solid state storage is fast becoming interesting.
But that G5 is beautiful. What cables would eventually clutter it? I don't see when that would happen exactly, as the only thing you can really add is more RAM, HDD, and PCI cards. No cables in that picture except for the HDD, whose cables stow out of view.
I think somebody's just jealous and wants one of these really bad and is making up something to validate his own PowerBook ownership, which I can understand.
Only cables that could clutter the case, in respect to PCI cards, would be SCSI ribbons. Good SCSI cables will be a certain length and would add some mess to the G5. Not sure how much exactly. Still dying to see one of these up close.
tape drive?! HD's are cheap enough for them to buy those
But tape is rock-solid reliable, the cartidges are durable, and kept in a controlled environment they last just about indefinitely (CD-Rs and DVD-Rs do not). The cost per GB is pretty low, too.
Anyone who's really serious about backups (i.e., not home users or hobbyists) backs up to tape.
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also 500GB isn't enough room for them? they can always use firewire 800 or fibrewire to connect external sources for storage
Using multiple drives is a common performance tactic, even if they're not striped, and it's also a simple way to segregate, say, Linux from Windows.
He's not talking about cluttering the INSIDE of the case, but the outside. In other words, yes, the case is beautiful, but since it has such little internal expansion, its desk space will become cluttered with cables and drive cases. I tend to agree.
For ME, the expansion capacity is fine. It's for others that I'm concerned about. I don't understand why it's so difficult for some Mac zealots to empathize with other Mac users and their need for internal expansion capacity that Apple mysteriously denies.
It's bizarre, this way Apple has of creating the most bitching product, but then intentionally hobbling it by removing or withholding ONE feature. With the El Capitan case there were things like no audio input, and only one optical drive bay. With iMacs, it's features like TV-out, and an agp slot. Now the new Powermacs withhold expansion capacity that El Capitan finally provided after multiple revisions!
It just makes NO SENSE AT ALL! Sometimes with Apple hardware it's almost as if Apple is TRYING to kill sales. Or do they hobble initial versions so that they can sell more units with revisions that add the originally withheld feature? I'm grasping here, I really don't know why Apple's Hardware so often is near perfect except for ONE GLARING OMISSION that even an idiot could see.
Like remember when iMac video cards had a feature for S-video out, but the case covered up the area on the mobo where it was? Maybe this was a myth, but if not then it's an example of Apple withholding a feature for some unknown motive besides price.
And price isn't the issue with the new Powermac's lack of expansion. Adding another optical drive bay and a few more HD bays would be pennies relative to the cost of making the case aluminum, and relative to the sale price. We're talking EMPTY BAYS, so it would mean adding a few more wires, connectors, and busses.
Ok, I'm done with my rant. See above to see why I still love this new Powermac. I just think it could be even better.
it look pretty without its side on...btu with it on its very industrial...who knows what i'll do with mine
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seriously, i understand this case designed with the ability to work without the side door, showing the guts through the transparent plastic, as a very serious PC envyy/complex. It used to be PC owners who did all kind of ugly things to their cases, putting transparent doors and blue lights are so on, to impress ¿? people at net parties or whatever. i'd rather travel with my very elegant titanium.
Oh man I love that look. If I ever get one it will go on top of my desk with the plastic side it. Most PCs do look like shat with clear doors and such, but Apple did it in a way that reminds me of how car manufactuers do it. Go out, pop the hood of your 98 Tahoe and invite your rich freind over. He drives up in his Mercedes-Benz Vision SLR and pops the hood. Looking at both you can see the Tahoe's VORTEC engine layed out with pure function in mind. Looking to the Benz you can see the elegence and power the Benz posseses just from the beautifly aranged engine compartment. It's like that with the G5. Having those silver G5 letters pop out from the heatsink is great styling on the part of Ive and his wonderful design team. I say bravo Apple, bravo.
I don't think that the machine was intentionally crippled, I just think that they had to trade-off. If you watch the G5 video on the Apple site they talk about how hard it was to find large enough aluminium sheets of the quality they needed. So finding even larger sheets would have presumable cost even more. Then there is the size of the thing, it's already huge. You can't really say that they haven't used the space inside particularly well, it is very precisely laid out and they obviously need that amount of cooling. Yes they could have put bigger fans in but then the windtunnel machines will have scared them off that idea. So they had to make a decision and they went for quietness and power and from the people who I have talked to those are the two most important aspects. You can always add external drives if you want but external power and quietness are harder peripherals to get hold of.
Most of the places that I work that have Macs have older G4s, so they already have the external optical drives and two of the places have already placed orders for the machines.
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Originally posted by jindrich
it's very nice on that photo, but wait till it gets A TON (no room inside, remember?) of wires, breaking the monolith appearence.
Wires from what? you mean wires out the back? It wont detract from its beauty
And i want it on my desk next to my future 20" not for the reasons you listed but because I have enough room and its pretty. But I think for most people it will wind up on the floor because of lack of desk space, and functionality reasons not cuz its ugly.
Originally posted by dfiler
The G5 is huge?
This web page is huge!
But seriously, who's responsible for this width and corresponding 437 words per line? *tisk* *tisk*
Edit: Ironically, I got the first post on the next page so it isn't wide anymore. Guess I better post on topic.
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So... the IT guys here at work were lusting over the new G5s even though they administer linux servers and NT desktops. That is, they were lusting up until the point I explained that they could have a max of 2 HDs and one optical drive. They got real confused and didn't believe what they were hearing.
I chuckled and inquired what they would like to put into the computer. (an honest question) They basically wanted enough room for a tape drive and separate drives for a couple of the standard linux partitions.
tape drive?! HD's are cheap enough for them to buy those
also 500GB isn't enough room for them? they can always use firewire 800 or fibrewire to connect external sources for storage
Originally posted by ast3r3x
tape drive?! HD's are cheap enough for them to buy those
backing up to HD isn't really a great method. It's ok but most don't like it cuz its unreliable. What if that HD goes bad too? tapes suck but they are more reliable.
Originally posted by Ti Fighter
backing up to HD isn't really a great method. It's ok but most don't like it cuz its unreliable. What if that HD goes bad too? tapes suck but they are more reliable.
i know u are right i will nto debate it but seriously...both HD's going bad, what are the chances? (probably better then tape going bad too
Originally posted by ast3r3x
tape drive?! HD's are cheap enough for them to buy those
also 500GB isn't enough room for them? they can always use firewire 800 or fibrewire to connect external sources for storage
Sheesh! Its like we keep going around in circles. Remind me not to share real-world IT perspectives... Gee, I never heard of firewire, expansion chasses, or networked storage.
Why the tape drive?
Archiving.
If you are producing the amount of work to require more, then you will be able to afford a Xserve RAID.
Also, their are 3 PCIX expansion slots, one is shared with AGP slot i think so lets say worst case scenario, you have two slots. What exactly do you want to put in them?
The only thing I can think of is a second network card, and a fibre channel connection card.
But that G5 is beautiful. What cables would eventually clutter it? I don't see when that would happen exactly, as the only thing you can really add is more RAM, HDD, and PCI cards. No cables in that picture except for the HDD, whose cables stow out of view.
I think somebody's just jealous and wants one of these really bad and is making up something to validate his own PowerBook ownership, which I can understand.
Originally posted by ast3r3x
tape drive?! HD's are cheap enough for them to buy those
But tape is rock-solid reliable, the cartidges are durable, and kept in a controlled environment they last just about indefinitely (CD-Rs and DVD-Rs do not). The cost per GB is pretty low, too.
Anyone who's really serious about backups (i.e., not home users or hobbyists) backs up to tape.
also 500GB isn't enough room for them? they can always use firewire 800 or fibrewire to connect external sources for storage
Using multiple drives is a common performance tactic, even if they're not striped, and it's also a simple way to segregate, say, Linux from Windows.
The really high-capacity drives tend to be slow.
For ME, the expansion capacity is fine. It's for others that I'm concerned about. I don't understand why it's so difficult for some Mac zealots to empathize with other Mac users and their need for internal expansion capacity that Apple mysteriously denies.
It's bizarre, this way Apple has of creating the most bitching product, but then intentionally hobbling it by removing or withholding ONE feature. With the El Capitan case there were things like no audio input, and only one optical drive bay. With iMacs, it's features like TV-out, and an agp slot. Now the new Powermacs withhold expansion capacity that El Capitan finally provided after multiple revisions!
It just makes NO SENSE AT ALL! Sometimes with Apple hardware it's almost as if Apple is TRYING to kill sales. Or do they hobble initial versions so that they can sell more units with revisions that add the originally withheld feature? I'm grasping here, I really don't know why Apple's Hardware so often is near perfect except for ONE GLARING OMISSION that even an idiot could see.
Like remember when iMac video cards had a feature for S-video out, but the case covered up the area on the mobo where it was? Maybe this was a myth, but if not then it's an example of Apple withholding a feature for some unknown motive besides price.
And price isn't the issue with the new Powermac's lack of expansion. Adding another optical drive bay and a few more HD bays would be pennies relative to the cost of making the case aluminum, and relative to the sale price. We're talking EMPTY BAYS, so it would mean adding a few more wires, connectors, and busses.
Ok, I'm done with my rant. See above to see why I still love this new Powermac. I just think it could be even better.
it look pretty without its side on...btu with it on its very industrial...who knows what i'll do with mine
seriously, i understand this case designed with the ability to work without the side door, showing the guts through the transparent plastic, as a very serious PC envyy/complex. It used to be PC owners who did all kind of ugly things to their cases, putting transparent doors and blue lights are so on, to impress ¿? people at net parties or whatever. i'd rather travel with my very elegant titanium.
Oh man I love that look. If I ever get one it will go on top of my desk with the plastic side it. Most PCs do look like shat with clear doors and such, but Apple did it in a way that reminds me of how car manufactuers do it. Go out, pop the hood of your 98 Tahoe and invite your rich freind over. He drives up in his Mercedes-Benz Vision SLR and pops the hood. Looking at both you can see the Tahoe's VORTEC engine layed out with pure function in mind. Looking to the Benz you can see the elegence and power the Benz posseses just from the beautifly aranged engine compartment. It's like that with the G5. Having those silver G5 letters pop out from the heatsink is great styling on the part of Ive and his wonderful design team. I say bravo Apple, bravo.
Most of the places that I work that have Macs have older G4s, so they already have the external optical drives and two of the places have already placed orders for the machines.
JP.