I still have my doubts of this ending up in a Mac for very long (maybe one rev of the pbooks?).
Unlike others I don't see much choice for Apple. The power requirements of the current G5 are way too high for a notebook. The G5 volume production just started and Fishkill is not old enough the get an upgrade to 0.09 very soon, no matter how much people hoping for it. The 7457 OTOH can go up to 2GHz (maybe beyond) pretty quick. Sure there's always the big "Motorola questionmark" but signs regarding the 7457 are good so far. The 750VX or 850 won't materialize within a year (judging from the 750GX release date) if ever.
Seperately...another difference between the g3 and g4 lines are their busses. the g4 uses the MPX bus. The g3 uses the older, less efficient 60x bus. The current 750fx can already run its 60x FSB up to 200 mhz- so the 750gx is no improvement. The g4s current 167 mhz MPX bus is faster than 200MHz 60x FSB. The 7457s 200 mhz MPX will smoke the fsb of the 750gx.
Unlike others I don't see much choice for Apple. The power requirements of the current G5 are way too high for a notebook. The G5 volume production just started and Fishkill is not old enough the get an upgrade to 0.09 very soon, no matter how much people hoping for it. The 7457 OTOH can go up to 2GHz (maybe beyond) pretty quick. Sure there's always the big "Motorola questionmark" but signs regarding the 7457 are good so far. The 750VX or 850 won't materialize within a year (judging from the 750GX release date) if ever.
The Fishkill plant was built with 0.09 in mind, and is already testing 0.09 parts. Expect it to be rolling out 0.09 micron 970s in 6-9 months, that's how Jobs can promise 3 GHz "within 12 months".
The power consumption of the 970 at 1 - 1.2 GHz is actually quite good and according to that document from IBM about embedded uses of the 970 they fully expect it to be used in things like notebooks, switches, and routers. In large part, this is what it was designed for -- it just happens to suit Apple's desktop needs as well thanks to the designs scalability.
I think if Motorola can deliver something with better price / power / performance than the G5 then Apple will use it in the consumer machines -- but given their performances of late, that is far from assured. Their recent co-venture with (IIRC) Philips and ST-Micro gives me some hope that they will have 0.09 micron parts in 2004, but I'll believe it when I see it. A G4 w/ integrated memory controller and RapidIO bus on that process would be an excellent chip for the iBook... but it will also have to compete with IBM's efforts in the same space.
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Some additional info on Motos view of the future
(90-nm PPC next year)
http://www.siliconstrategies.com/story/OEG20030623S0080
Yeah, yeah. But what's new, Moto'?
An IBM 0.09 by May 2004? A 1.3 G4 in the meantime to tide the Powerbook over?
I don't see Moto' anything other than out in the next 9 months.
The ominous 'One day we will speak about our relationship with Motorola...' said it all for me.
Lemon Bon Bon
Originally posted by Lemon Bon Bon
The ominous 'One day we will speak about our relationship with Motorola...' said it all for me.
Do you remember who said that and when? I can't for the life of me anymore...
Originally posted by User Tron
Motorola announced the 7457 months ago! No offence but please inform yourself a little bit more before questioning the release of the 7457.
(I added the bolding)
Annoucnement and release are two seperate things. So which is it?
http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps...018rH3bTdG8653
Thanks for the heads up on the info of the anoucnment. I didn't see any mention of a targeted release date? Do you have any info on that?
I still have my doubts of this ending up in a Mac for very long (maybe one rev of the pbooks?).
Originally posted by kupan787
(I added the bolding)
Annoucnement and release are two seperate things. So which is it?
1.) Well you ask if it ever was formally announced, didn't you?
2.) IBM only announced the 750GX, no release till December!
3.) Some people here already arguing how much better the 750VX/850 than the 7457 gonna be. Those chips are just rumors so far!
Thanks for the heads up on the info of the anoucnment. I didn't see any mention of a targeted release date? Do you have any info on that?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/39/31424.html
I still have my doubts of this ending up in a Mac for very long (maybe one rev of the pbooks?).
Unlike others I don't see much choice for Apple. The power requirements of the current G5 are way too high for a notebook. The G5 volume production just started and Fishkill is not old enough the get an upgrade to 0.09 very soon, no matter how much people hoping for it. The 7457 OTOH can go up to 2GHz (maybe beyond) pretty quick. Sure there's always the big "Motorola questionmark" but signs regarding the 7457 are good so far. The 750VX or 850 won't materialize within a year (judging from the 750GX release date) if ever.
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In what quantities, I've no idea.
Seperately...another difference between the g3 and g4 lines are their busses. the g4 uses the MPX bus. The g3 uses the older, less efficient 60x bus. The current 750fx can already run its 60x FSB up to 200 mhz- so the 750gx is no improvement. The g4s current 167 mhz MPX bus is faster than 200MHz 60x FSB. The 7457s 200 mhz MPX will smoke the fsb of the 750gx.
Originally posted by User Tron
Unlike others I don't see much choice for Apple. The power requirements of the current G5 are way too high for a notebook. The G5 volume production just started and Fishkill is not old enough the get an upgrade to 0.09 very soon, no matter how much people hoping for it. The 7457 OTOH can go up to 2GHz (maybe beyond) pretty quick. Sure there's always the big "Motorola questionmark" but signs regarding the 7457 are good so far. The 750VX or 850 won't materialize within a year (judging from the 750GX release date) if ever.
The Fishkill plant was built with 0.09 in mind, and is already testing 0.09 parts. Expect it to be rolling out 0.09 micron 970s in 6-9 months, that's how Jobs can promise 3 GHz "within 12 months".
The power consumption of the 970 at 1 - 1.2 GHz is actually quite good and according to that document from IBM about embedded uses of the 970 they fully expect it to be used in things like notebooks, switches, and routers. In large part, this is what it was designed for -- it just happens to suit Apple's desktop needs as well thanks to the designs scalability.
I think if Motorola can deliver something with better price / power / performance than the G5 then Apple will use it in the consumer machines -- but given their performances of late, that is far from assured. Their recent co-venture with (IIRC) Philips and ST-Micro gives me some hope that they will have 0.09 micron parts in 2004, but I'll believe it when I see it. A G4 w/ integrated memory controller and RapidIO bus on that process would be an excellent chip for the iBook... but it will also have to compete with IBM's efforts in the same space.