is terminator 3 going to do well in a post matrix world

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as much as i liked terminator and terminator 2, they are pretty much relics of action movies past. T2 was groundbreaking in its use of new effects, but without cameron on board i don't expect anything cutting edge from this one.

it cost 180 million to make so it's going to have to gross, what 250 mil? to come out even. (not that that has anything to do with the quality of the movie)

i was surprised to see it's less than 2 hours long as well, hardly an epic adventure eh?

my question is, are any of you going to flock to see it?
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  • Reply 1 of 27
    bungebunge Posts: 7,329member
    I'm going to see it, but I don't expect a whole lot. I love the first movie, but don't think the second one is very good. Basically I just want to see if/how the story ends or at least unfolds at this point.



    Under two hours is probably a good thing. At the very least it will mean more showings per night at any given theater, and move tickets purchased. I don't expect it to do very well either.
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  • Reply 2 of 27
    scottscott Posts: 7,431member
    The first one was on TeeVee this weekend (I wonder why). It still rocks. It was the perfect acting gig for the future governor of California.





    I'm not sure what the new one adds. As far as I can tell from the teevee ads it's more of the same. Maybe this a "wait for DVD" flick. I'll check the reviews.
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  • Reply 3 of 27
    the review in the tribune raved, 3 star.

    ebert has reservations only 2 1/2 stars
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  • Reply 4 of 27
    andersanders Posts: 6,523member
    Funny you should mention Terminator and Matrix. Anyone noticed that when all the man vs. machine is mentioned in the Matrix its actually a very quick recap of the prequel of Terminator (plus the dark sky/human batteries)? If we didn´t knew the story from Terminator they would have had to use much more time to explain the status in Matrix.
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  • Reply 5 of 27
    jimmacjimmac Posts: 11,898member
    I loved T2. I think Cameron captured the essence of the Terminator story line. That movie had a great plot and a great ending. It tied everything up ( especially if you've seen the director's cut with the alternate ending ). It was very final and didn't leave room for a sequel.



    Having said that this might be a good film but it doesn't have Cameron who basically invented the Terminator idea. Also to extend it beyond what was already a great ending to me seems to cheapen the whole thing.



    I'll probably see it but I have my doubts.



    As one person said on " Ain't It Cool News " : " This is the sequel nobody asked for ".



    On another note I'm kind of wondering about a movie called " The league Of Extordinary Gentlemen ". In terms of new and fresh I think it might be good! And after all it does have Sean Connery.
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  • Reply 6 of 27
    northgatenorthgate Posts: 4,461member
    The original Terminator was ground breaking. It was the first of a new genre of action/thriller.



    The second Terminator was a huge leap forward from the first film. Cameron ingeneously reinvented his own formula.



    The third film doesn't appear to do any of the above. To me, it doesn't appear to be moving any of the concepts forward.
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  • Reply 7 of 27
    randycat99randycat99 Posts: 1,919member
    I'm looking forward to seeing it. Knowing full well that Cameron isn't onboard, I go in with reduced expectations so as not to disappoint myself. I don't demand it to break any new paradigms or be "epic" or be ground shattering in the least (nor does it have to break the latest box office record, for me to feel good about the movie). All I ask for is an interesting story, decent action scenes, and some kewl visuals. I think people end up sabotaging the experience themself by expecting something earthshattering, something comparable to bringing world peace. How could "a" movie rightly meet those expectations? It's just a movie. If it turns out to be good- great! If it stinks, hey, I wasn't expecting much to begin with. I'm as much as a Terminator fan as the next guy, but it's no big loss to me.
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  • Reply 8 of 27
    jimmacjimmac Posts: 11,898member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Randycat99

    I'm looking forward to seeing it. Knowing full well that Cameron isn't onboard, I go in with reduced expectations so as not to disappoint myself. I don't demand it to break any new paradigms or be "epic" or be ground shattering in the least (nor does it have to break the latest box office record, for me to feel good about the movie). All I ask for is an interesting story, decent action scenes, and some kewl visuals. I think people end up sabotaging the experience themself by expecting something earthshattering, something comparable to bringing world peace. How could "a" movie rightly meet those expectations? It's just a movie. If it turns out to be good- great! If it stinks, hey, I wasn't expecting much to begin with. I'm as much as a Terminator fan as the next guy, but it's no big loss to me.



    Well for some of us ( not that I'm trying to invalidate your perspective ) is that say you make a series of flawless gems and then include an attractive but cheap knockoff in the set........
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  • Reply 9 of 27
    randycat99randycat99 Posts: 1,919member
    All movie licenses get trashed sooner or later. It's futile to worry about "preservation" of integrity. I think T2 was the pinnacle, anyway. So it's not like there is a trend for them to uphold, AFAIC.



    If I were worried about it, I would have been unrequitedly pissed about where the Alien storyline went after the 2nd movie- all downhill... Good things never last. I'm at peace with that notion. I'm just pleased there is a new edition to the Terminator series. Naturally, it is a bit of a disappointment that JC isn't doing it, but that's just the nature of things. I'm not even sure if he still has the "knack" for the big sci-fi blockbuster even if he was doing it. Good things never last. So the upside is simply that he did it at least once and really batted it out of the park.
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  • Reply 10 of 27
    709709 Posts: 2,016member
    I'll see it. But only to see that hottie arriving in the past all naked in a glowing electric ball.
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  • Reply 11 of 27
    wrong robotwrong robot Posts: 3,907member
    Trilogies are trendy these days.



    I was kind of dissapointed when I heard they wer emaking T3, becuase I remember reading that T2 was never supposed to have a sequel, though many people wanted it.



    I watched it just the other night, and it certainly ends on a great note, no sequel is needed at all for the two movies to still be totally awesome.



    I am worried that T3 might tarnish the series and undermine that great not-so-resolving-but-totally-perfect ending of T2.



    A friend of mine's dad worked on the movie as the lead sound guy, my friend likewise got lots of inside info, he told me that the movie doesn't take itself very seriously, and that there is more than a generous helping of comic relief(be it funny or not) But I shall see that for myself I guess when I do go see it.
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  • Reply 12 of 27
    wrong robotwrong robot Posts: 3,907member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Randycat99

    All movie licenses get trashed sooner or later. It's futile to worry about "preservation" of integrity. I think T2 was the pinnacle, anyway. So it's not like there is a trend for them to uphold, AFAIC.



    If I were worried about it, I would have been unrequitedly pissed about where the Alien storyline went after the 2nd movie- all downhill... Good things never last. I'm at peace with that notion. I'm just pleased there is a new edition to the Terminator series. Naturally, it is a bit of a disappointment that JC isn't doing it, but that's just the nature of things. I'm not even sure if he still has the "knack" for the big sci-fi blockbuster even if he was doing it. Good things never last. So the upside is simply that he did it at least once and really batted it out of the park.






    Yeah, another thing that T3 suffers when juxtaposed to the other 2, is the same thing that plagues the Star Wars saga, the first three movies have such embedded nostalgia and glory that the new additions(even though episode 2 kicked ass)will always been lacking simply becuase they don't have that established "I've seen this movie a million times and I still love it" type glow to them.
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  • Reply 13 of 27
    709709 Posts: 2,016member
    Agreed. The only movie sequels I actually *loved* were the Alien movies. Yes, the last one was the worst, but still *enough* in my book.
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  • Reply 14 of 27
    alcimedesalcimedes Posts: 5,486member
    i will say i think it will do well. any movie where they're willing to release it on a Wed. means they expect word of mouth to help, not hurt sales.



    i'm thinking it'll be very entertaining.
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  • Reply 15 of 27
    liquidrliquidr Posts: 884member
    It will do well enough for the studios to make a T4 probably but no where near as well as T2. Plus, no Cameron, no Sarah Conner, I hope they don't f-up the continuity.
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  • Reply 16 of 27
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    T3 has Kristanna Løken and The Matrix does not.
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  • Reply 17 of 27
    nixinixi Posts: 49member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Randycat99

    All I ask for is an interesting story, decent action scenes, and some kewl visuals



    I usually go to the movies to be, well? moved. And for that it takes a lot more than the above. No, that isn't to say that I only go to the movies to watch arty films. But why would I want to put myself through the ordeal of cinematographic mediocrity? (The only reason I can think of: Cause it's quite easy. After all, how often do we see Hollywood films that reach beyond technical perfection, into the realm of relevancy?)



    Quote:

    Originally posted by Randycat99

    ?If I were worried about it, I would have been unrequitedly pissed about where the Alien storyline went after the 2nd movie- all downhill...



    I was actually quite pissed-off with where the Alien storyline went after "Alien" . I mean, come on! What was so good about "Aliens", other than some of the prop-design?



    Terminator was a very good movie. T2? Not so bad, even though the abbreviation IS annoying - like any film title turned into a Brand?. But T3? You've got to be kidding me.



    PS. Randycat, I may have quoted you twice as a basis for my comments, but please don't take this personal - it is not.
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  • Reply 18 of 27
    nixinixi Posts: 49member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Eugene

    T3 has Kristanna Løken and The Matrix does not.



    If my memory serves me well, the Matrix (Reloaded) has not only Carrie-Anne Moss, but Monica Bellucci, too. Does that make the Matrix (Reloaded) a better film? No, it was probably as bad as one can expect the 3rd Terminator movie to be.
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  • Reply 19 of 27
    randycat99randycat99 Posts: 1,919member
    Different Strokes (wha-ju-talkin'bout, Willis?). I would probably be bored to tears by your "perfect" movie. I would not want every movie to be completely one way or the other. That leaves the possibility that both of us will have movies that we can enjoy. However, if you will be looking for perfection in a sci-fi movie series such as the Terminator series, I'd say that will be much a futile venture fraught with disappointment (especially if JC is not to be behind the wheel). So I would maintain that "interesting story, decent action scenes, and some kewl visuals" should be quite adequate for an action movie to strive for, at the least. If they want to go further, more power to'em, but don't skip out on the "basics" before you go all "Cannes Film Festival" on your movie fans.



    I still maintain that Aliens is my all time favorite movie (for me- in no way, do I feel that others should feel the same). It was the perfect blend of horror, action, humor, sci-fi, and character development for the heroine Ripley (I could go on and on and on for this particular element...). The original Alien was interesting but never my favorite. To me, it was just a horror flick that happened upon a sci-fi theme with tremendous potential. Other than being spooked, I found myself bored for the lack of action. Alien3 was sort of like a "wrap up the destiny of Ripley" cap- essential, but paled in execution compared to the glory of Aliens.
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  • Reply 20 of 27
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by nixi

    If my memory serves me well, the Matrix (Reloaded) has not only Carrie-Anne Moss, but Monica Bellucci, too. Does that make the Matrix (Reloaded) a better film? No, it was probably as bad as one can expect the 3rd Terminator movie to be.



    Carrie Anne Moss is so meh...she's a boy with soft skin and plucked eyebrows..



    Monica Belluci doesn't do it for me...believe me I've tried...
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