Makes sence. The G4s are about tapped, so then once the 970 is in the pro machines, what would Apple have for the iMac/iBook/eMac? Hey, a faster and better G3+Altivec.
"Makes sence. The G4s are about tapped, so then once the 970 is in the pro machines, what would Apple have for the iMac/iBook/eMac? Hey, a faster and better G3+Altivec."
With a slightly faster bus? Up to 200mhz?
I wonder if this is the case...why would Apple need Motorola? They've so big time shafted 'power'Mac sales with their 'state of the art' development of the G4 (check out Apple's 10-K report and subtle swipes about mhz...) that I'd be hardly surprised at all if Apple dropped them completely.
IBM to have ALL of Apple's business? Maybe Apple has Moto' for one more round of G4s and kicks them out the door.
That WOULD provide IBM with alot of money and incentive to keep Apple happy. The better they do, the more Apple sells, the more Apple sells the happier IBM is...
There were rumours of Jobs saying, 'It'll be great in two years time when we don't have to use you anymore.'
I wouldn't rule Apple doing that if Moto' stiffed them on the G5!
A 1.2 gig G3 and Altivec on 200mhz bus would do for Powerbook and Consumer Macs for the next half a year or so. AND the G3 runs cooler?
After the next 'G4' 'power'Mac update the 970 is right around the corner. Why would Apple need to use Motorola's G4 anymore? With a die shrink, Powerbooks in 2004 have a 970. Later on in 2003, they could have a 1.2 Gig G3/Altivec on faster bus AND run cooler?
It would leave Apple with one supplier, but a world class one, with state of the art fabs and R&D and billions in the bank and with World Class cpu server tech' filtering down to Apple's whole range with subsequent die-shrinks.
Maybe Apple can recoup IBM's cpu R&D. If Apple bring motherboard/controller to the table for IBM's Linux/Blade/Server strategy...then the PPC alliance is reforged?
That would be the most exciting thing for me over 2003/4 onwards.
Outside bet. IBM takes Apple's business. All of it.
Hey, let's not rule out a merger. IBM gets 'X' and farms it out to Big Iron land... Best Linux out there, eh?
i agree with lemon, steve is mad as h3ll at moto and will be dropping them like a hot potato.
as far as the off topic flash question, flash may die anyway since the w3 is favoring SVG i think it is called because it is open source. well it wont die for a long time but it may be usurped.
Reading the comments here, I see that our article was worded poorly. I apologize for this, and hope that it's clearer now.
There are three chips at issue here: The first -- code name is unknown -- has just been delivered to Apple. Presumably these new chips will be close to 1 GHz, the unreached target that was announced last year. The second is GOBI. The third is tentatively set for 2004 and, yes, will be the G3's move to RapidIO.
In mid- to late-2003, Apple will have several chips at its disposal: IBM's PowerPC 970, Motorola's paltry PowerPC 7457 speed bumps, and these "GOBI" G3 chips. Should be pretty interesting, and since the GOBI chips will exceed 1 GHz, it's fair to say that the G3 will roughly keep pace with the G4, in terms of clock speed.
Admittedly, additional information on this is slim -- just about all we know is in the article -- but if there's anything else I can clarify, just let me know.
-Nick</strong><hr></blockquote>
Nick,
From the 'oldest registered member' of AI, to the 'newest' I say WELCOME!
Although we are both 'old' members of the 'hairless' board! wink wink nudge nudge.
we have these new ibm chips that are g3 class processors with faster bus speeds than current g4 chips.
whether they have altivec built-in is anyones guess,BUT...im going out on a limb and say THEY DO!
could these chips be why apple has said no new machines would run o/s 9?
interesting? yes?
provocative? yes?
if this proves to be the case then we can all kiss motorola goodbye!
for know.(they will be back in force!.im waiting for the 8540.60 to be released)
this clearly show everyone that apple can keep a secret and to not assume we know whats going on.
i was wrong in my asessment of motorola as were others.
we must remember that ibm has had a shipping 1 ghz g3 for a while now and there processor literature for there embedded processors make quite an interesting read.
but EVERYONE was dead wrong about the whole os/9 issue!
bring on MWSF 2003!
and I WILL BE IN THE HOUSE!!!!!!!! <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" />
lets give loop rumours props for there sniffing this out.
although they didnt state it as clearly as the distinguished mr deplume did,they stated that apple would be shipping an "entirely new architecture" and MWSF.
go read it for yourself.
some other more established rumour sites scoffed but loop rumours had it right.
<strong>...It would leave Apple with one supplier, but a world class one, with state of the art fabs and R&D and billions in the bank and with World Class cpu server tech' filtering down to Apple's whole range with subsequent die-shrinks.
Maybe Apple can recoup IBM's cpu R&D. If Apple bring motherboard/controller to the table for IBM's Linux/Blade/Server strategy...then the PPC alliance is reforged?...
Lemon Bon Bon</strong><hr></blockquote>
Dont forget Lemon, IBM actually ships computers using their chips, unlike Moto who's main buisness from the PowerPC chips is the embedded market. IBM has a much more personal steak in the current and future performance of the Power PC line of processors. Also, if they can build a linex "clone" motherboard for other companies to produce and sell (yes they have one already) then there is more potential revenue to offset the cost of R&D, all they need now is a chip to compete with intells finest. This looks to be the 970, and with its MP capabilities, it might get a jump on intel in the high end/server line...if it comes out on time or early, and performs as well as expected.
I think the funniest mini-celeb was Jenny from PixelDecor when she posted in the "Post your Desktop" thread after finding out that someone removed her logo from a desktop picture they downloaded and posted.
I think the funniest mini-celeb was Jenny from PixelDecor when she posted in the "Post your Desktop" thread after finding out that someone removed her logo from a desktop picture they downloaded and posted.
I love AI.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hmmm... if that was Nick's first post here this could be bad for Think Secret. AI might start seeping into his information gathering and we'll get into some kind of a recursive rumour mongering mess. Horrors!
Hey kids, way back in the way back I think that Nick posted here so that's no new thing. Neither is the fact that a lot of the (then current) AI members were slamming him for something or other. Leastwise that's how I remember it....being the SECOND oldest member of AI (registered in January 1999 although the blackout of '02 wiped out our registration dates).
And JRC was bragging about being the oldest member EVEN BACK THEN!
So shutup all you young whippersnappers....and pay attention to your elders.
If I remember correctly, the G3 were much easier to scale up than the G4..
And IBM should have shown a G3 running at 1 Ghz 2 years ago at some show, so why not..
</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't think this is true -- the G3 still has a shorter pipeline which makes it harder to scale up. That's why Motorola lengthened the pipeline in the G4+.
Comments
With a slightly faster bus? Up to 200mhz?
I wonder if this is the case...why would Apple need Motorola? They've so big time shafted 'power'Mac sales with their 'state of the art' development of the G4 (check out Apple's 10-K report and subtle swipes about mhz...) that I'd be hardly surprised at all if Apple dropped them completely.
IBM to have ALL of Apple's business? Maybe Apple has Moto' for one more round of G4s and kicks them out the door.
That WOULD provide IBM with alot of money and incentive to keep Apple happy. The better they do, the more Apple sells, the more Apple sells the happier IBM is...
There were rumours of Jobs saying, 'It'll be great in two years time when we don't have to use you anymore.'
I wouldn't rule Apple doing that if Moto' stiffed them on the G5!
A 1.2 gig G3 and Altivec on 200mhz bus would do for Powerbook and Consumer Macs for the next half a year or so. AND the G3 runs cooler?
After the next 'G4' 'power'Mac update the 970 is right around the corner. Why would Apple need to use Motorola's G4 anymore? With a die shrink, Powerbooks in 2004 have a 970. Later on in 2003, they could have a 1.2 Gig G3/Altivec on faster bus AND run cooler?
It would leave Apple with one supplier, but a world class one, with state of the art fabs and R&D and billions in the bank and with World Class cpu server tech' filtering down to Apple's whole range with subsequent die-shrinks.
Maybe Apple can recoup IBM's cpu R&D. If Apple bring motherboard/controller to the table for IBM's Linux/Blade/Server strategy...then the PPC alliance is reforged?
That would be the most exciting thing for me over 2003/4 onwards.
Outside bet. IBM takes Apple's business. All of it.
Hey, let's not rule out a merger. IBM gets 'X' and farms it out to Big Iron land... Best Linux out there, eh?
Lemon Bon Bon
as far as the off topic flash question, flash may die anyway since the w3 is favoring SVG i think it is called because it is open source. well it wont die for a long time but it may be usurped.
WE LOVE YOU NICK!
Barto
<strong>Hello everyone,
Reading the comments here, I see that our article was worded poorly. I apologize for this, and hope that it's clearer now.
There are three chips at issue here: The first -- code name is unknown -- has just been delivered to Apple. Presumably these new chips will be close to 1 GHz, the unreached target that was announced last year. The second is GOBI. The third is tentatively set for 2004 and, yes, will be the G3's move to RapidIO.
In mid- to late-2003, Apple will have several chips at its disposal: IBM's PowerPC 970, Motorola's paltry PowerPC 7457 speed bumps, and these "GOBI" G3 chips. Should be pretty interesting, and since the GOBI chips will exceed 1 GHz, it's fair to say that the G3 will roughly keep pace with the G4, in terms of clock speed.
Admittedly, additional information on this is slim -- just about all we know is in the article -- but if there's anything else I can clarify, just let me know.
-Nick</strong><hr></blockquote>
Nick,
From the 'oldest registered member' of AI, to the 'newest' I say WELCOME!
Although we are both 'old' members of the 'hairless' board! wink wink nudge nudge.
we have these new ibm chips that are g3 class processors with faster bus speeds than current g4 chips.
whether they have altivec built-in is anyones guess,BUT...im going out on a limb and say THEY DO!
could these chips be why apple has said no new machines would run o/s 9?
interesting? yes?
provocative? yes?
if this proves to be the case then we can all kiss motorola goodbye!
for know.(they will be back in force!.im waiting for the 8540.60 to be released)
this clearly show everyone that apple can keep a secret and to not assume we know whats going on.
i was wrong in my asessment of motorola as were others.
we must remember that ibm has had a shipping 1 ghz g3 for a while now and there processor literature for there embedded processors make quite an interesting read.
but EVERYONE was dead wrong about the whole os/9 issue!
bring on MWSF 2003!
and I WILL BE IN THE HOUSE!!!!!!!! <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" />
lets give loop rumours props for there sniffing this out.
although they didnt state it as clearly as the distinguished mr deplume did,they stated that apple would be shipping an "entirely new architecture" and MWSF.
go read it for yourself.
some other more established rumour sites scoffed but loop rumours had it right.
props. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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posted 12-02-2002 10:13 PM
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i have to admit,that im now believing that ibm and apple will either debut or announce a new chip at MWSF!!!
i have said in the past that i was "troubled" by the announcement of the IBM 970 and the resulting
scutlebutt.
perhaps i was a very deceptive cover for apple.
like ive said in the past,apple is much smarter than most of you give them credit for.
i believe their is some merit to the g3 core+altivec+rapid i/o/ddr ram rumour.
will they also be able to deliever a 970 at MWNY?
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for real!!!!!
<strong>...It would leave Apple with one supplier, but a world class one, with state of the art fabs and R&D and billions in the bank and with World Class cpu server tech' filtering down to Apple's whole range with subsequent die-shrinks.
Maybe Apple can recoup IBM's cpu R&D. If Apple bring motherboard/controller to the table for IBM's Linux/Blade/Server strategy...then the PPC alliance is reforged?...
Lemon Bon Bon</strong><hr></blockquote>
Dont forget Lemon, IBM actually ships computers using their chips, unlike Moto who's main buisness from the PowerPC chips is the embedded market. IBM has a much more personal steak in the current and future performance of the Power PC line of processors. Also, if they can build a linex "clone" motherboard for other companies to produce and sell (yes they have one already) then there is more potential revenue to offset the cost of R&D, all they need now is a chip to compete with intells finest. This looks to be the 970, and with its MP capabilities, it might get a jump on intel in the high end/server line...if it comes out on time or early, and performs as well as expected.
<strong>IBM has a much more personal steak in the current and future performance of the Power PC line of processors.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think you probably meant "stake", but there is a certain truth to using "steak" as well:
Steak
1. A slice of meat, typically beef, usually cut thick and across the muscle grain and served broiled or fried.
2. A thick slice of a large fish cut across the body.
3. A patty of ground meat broiled or fried.
<strong>So, ThinkSecret is saying the mHz of the G3 will eventually outpace the G4?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I doubt it. IBM hasn't been ahead of Motorola in the MHz race for quite a while now. The 750FX @ 1 GHz is still vaporware, AFAIK.
<strong>
I think you probably meant "stake", but there is a certain truth to using "steak" as well:
Steak
1. A slice of meat, typically beef, usually cut thick and across the muscle grain and served broiled or fried.
2. A thick slice of a large fish cut across the body.
3. A patty of ground meat broiled or fried.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Good catch Programmer. Must be due to a late night working, that always make me want a nice rare steak, and all I had to eat today was a sandwich.
I think the funniest mini-celeb was Jenny from PixelDecor when she posted in the "Post your Desktop" thread after finding out that someone removed her logo from a desktop picture they downloaded and posted.
I love AI.
<strong>I thought Nick dePlume = Nostradamus?
I think the funniest mini-celeb was Jenny from PixelDecor when she posted in the "Post your Desktop" thread after finding out that someone removed her logo from a desktop picture they downloaded and posted.
I love AI.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hmmm... if that was Nick's first post here this could be bad for Think Secret. AI might start seeping into his information gathering and we'll get into some kind of a recursive rumour mongering mess. Horrors!
[ 12-24-2002: Message edited by: Programmer ]</p>
And JRC was bragging about being the oldest member EVEN BACK THEN!
So shutup all you young whippersnappers....and pay attention to your elders.
D
first the tablet rumor a few weeks back ( <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=002678"; target="_blank">http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=002678</a>; ), now this rumor that Apple is getting new G3 chips.
Any guesses that the two are related?
edit: oh yeah it's 1.2GHz with 2MB L3. Wonder if it's the 7457?
[ 12-24-2002: Message edited by: Outsider ]</p>
<strong>So, ThinkSecret is saying the mHz of the G3 will eventually outpace the G4?</strong><hr></blockquote>
If I remember correctly, the G3 were much easier to scale up than the G4..
And IBM should have shown a G3 running at 1 Ghz 2 years ago at some show, so why not..
[Edit:] .."a G3 running at 1 hz".. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
[ 12-24-2002: Message edited by: T'hain Esh Kelch ]</p>
<strong>
If I remember correctly, the G3 were much easier to scale up than the G4..
And IBM should have shown a G3 running at 1 Ghz 2 years ago at some show, so why not..
</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't think this is true -- the G3 still has a shorter pipeline which makes it harder to scale up. That's why Motorola lengthened the pipeline in the G4+.