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in Future Apple Hardware edited January 2014
A funny thing happened to me today. A little white mouse came by my desk at work who I got to talk to for a few minutes. He quietly whispered to me that we can expect some new ibooks out in about half a year. They are planned for early December before the xmas rush but most likely early 2004.



The good news is that they are going to be powered by G4s. Also good news is that these ibooks are replacing their 14" models with 15" ones. I was confirmed that there won't be a 17" model ibook.



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  • Reply 1 of 43
    kidredkidred Posts: 2,402member
    Strange. I guess Apple won't be using the G3 after all then. So G4s and G5s.
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  • Reply 2 of 43
    wrong robotwrong robot Posts: 3,907member
    I think that the newer g3 chips are perfect for the iBooks, I don't see why apple wouldn't want to use them.
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  • Reply 3 of 43
    amorphamorph Posts: 7,112member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Wrong Robust

    I think that the newer g3 chips are perfect for the iBooks, I don't see why apple wouldn't want to use them.



    The G4 will be only a few watts hotter, and will allow Apple to bring the iBook into the full Digital Hub experience. Finally.



    Think about it: iBooks with SuperDrives in the hands of students everywhere!
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  • Reply 4 of 43
    applenutapplenut Posts: 5,768member
    right now i think it's ridiculous to have any processor without a SIMD unit shipping.



    especially since Apple utilizes altivec a lot in their apps and OS
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  • Reply 5 of 43
    Who says a G3 couldn't have AltiVec?



    FWIW I think this thread is bunk. Apple's product distinctions are confusing enough as it is. No need to confuse people further with a 15" iBook, no matter how much you may want it. The iBook is all about portability and durability, and right now the 14" is pushing the portability edge as it is.
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  • Reply 6 of 43
    kidredkidred Posts: 2,402member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Anonymous Karma

    Who says a G3 couldn't have AltiVec?



    FWIW I think this thread is bunk. Apple's product distinctions are confusing enough as it is. No need to confuse people further with a 15" iBook, no matter how much you may want it. The iBook is all about portability and durability, and right now the 14" is pushing the portability edge as it is.




    Not only that, but would ,a G3 keep the iBook cheaper and from competing with the pBook? The G3 allows the ibook to keep scaling and not taking a slower back to the pBook if it were to use G4s. Same speed, just minus altivec and it stays cheap. You want DVD burning, get a pbook.
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  • Reply 7 of 43
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Amorph

    The G4 will be only a few watts hotter, and will allow Apple to bring the iBook into the full Digital Hub experience. Finally.



    Think about it: iBooks with SuperDrives in the hands of students everywhere!




    I told ya the iBook is gonna get bigger. 14 or 15" is the standard size for a entry level notebook, which is what the iBook is, afterall. And yes, with a big screen, similar weight to the 12, long battery life, and the full digital hub experience, Apple is going to sell a ton of them.



    The iBook was never about portability, it was an affordable computer for students and people who are realistic about their computing needs. The chicklet made it portable by default, but only because 12" screens were cheaper when Apple introduced the line. Their typically A+ design saw no need to waste inches or ounces and wrapped the case around it pretty tight, and you got the best default sub-note on the market (untill the 12" PB)



    Now there is a 12" PB to carry the portability mantle, and it will get smaller and lighter as time passes. The iBook will get better features to hold the same price or get cheaper. Portability is NOT a key feature to it's target audience, budget buyers. Study after study reports that.



    With that said, I'm pretty sure Apple would keep a 15" iBook UNDER 6 lbs, probably make it a touch thinner than the current models, and pack a lot more features into it. A win for everyone.
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  • Reply 8 of 43
    No more Moto please...
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  • Reply 9 of 43
    placeboplacebo Posts: 5,767member
    Just to clarify an assortment of details:



    The Powerbook won't be threatened by a G4 iBook, because by that time, the powerbook will be G5.
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  • Reply 10 of 43
    pscatespscates Posts: 5,847member
    Even if it's not a G5, the PowerBook will still have L3 cache, faster bus, DVI, better graphics, etc.



    The G4 iMac and G4 towers co-existed for a year-and-a-half, with most people knowing what made which one "i" or "power".



    The laptops could, in theory, do the same.
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  • Reply 11 of 43
    OK...



    If the iBook's go G4 by the end of the year, would it be out of line to expect the PowerBook's to have gone G5 before them? This would mean a PB G5 before christmas. If this is to be, then I think it highly unlikely that we would see a PB G4 update any time soon, only to last for a couple of months.



    Maybe MacWhispers was right and G5 PB's are on their way. Also, maybe the 12" PB will retain it's G4, supporting Joswiak's statement that G4's will remain in the Powerbooks.



    The only hole here is that Joswiak said the G5 would not be going in the PB any time soon. Mind you, that was said in June and I wouldn't expect shipping G5 PB's before the desktops, i.e. September. 2-3 months. Does this qualify as 'soon'?



    I hope this report is true, but it also screws my mind as I wanted to buy a 15" PB in the next few weeks, thinking the G5 PB would not be around until well into next year. Aaggghh.



    Sigh.



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    Just seen pscates reply and I tend to agree with this. Still doesn't help my decision just yet...

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  • Reply 12 of 43
    zazzaz Posts: 177member
    ...if it is true...



    This is in the 'Gobi' timeframe and the G4 is just a name...



    Does said mouse know a CPU switch is to a G4 or just a CPU different than the current one?



    Moving the ibook to the G4 now seems sort of backwards. Apple is about to start clanging on about the G5 vs the G4... and that will not be good for the consumer line.



    Then again... the PB's are stuck with them.... who knows



    Z
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  • Reply 13 of 43
    powerdocpowerdoc Posts: 8,123member
    Sorry to be so desesperately pessimist, but reading the lattest interviews of IBM official, it appear that the next chip within an i book will be the 750 GX.



    And it's not a white little mouse who told me that (perhaps one tried, but my three cats have a good diner with her ...), but simply what i read .



    my guess for the next months are : powermac G5, 750 gx i book, and 7457 powerbooks clocking up to 1,3 ghz.
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  • Reply 14 of 43
    amorphamorph Posts: 7,112member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Matsu

    I told ya the iBook is gonna get bigger. 14 or 15" is the standard size for a entry level notebook, which is what the iBook is, afterall. And yes, with a big screen, similar weight to the 12, long battery life, and the full digital hub experience, Apple is going to sell a ton of them.



    I see something about the 14" being replaced, and nothing about the 12" going away.



    The 12" iBook is about portability, and I don't see it going anywhere. Sorry. Think eMate.
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  • Reply 15 of 43
    pscatespscates Posts: 5,847member
    What about this:



    What if the iBook went to 12" and 15" models, just like the PowerBook's 12" and 15"?



    Could Apple save money by cross-sharing displays like that that, buying them in huge bulk because they'd using the 12" in both the iBook and PowerBook AND the 15" in the revised PowerBook (if it'll ever get here ) AND a new 15" iBook?



    Does Apple currently do that with the 17" iMac and PowerBook? Both the same size displays.



    Right now, the 14" iBook is a bit out of whack and the only size they offer that isn't mirrored somewhere else it seems.



    Have a 12" 1024x768 iBook (as current) and a 15" widescreen.



    Again, the lines would be differentiated enough by cache, bus, DVI, chip, graphics, etc.



    But it would help simplify things: 12" iBook or PowerBook? 15" iBook or PowerBook?



    Just thinking out loud a bit...
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  • Reply 16 of 43
    ompusompus Posts: 163member
    Who cares about the 750gx?



    FrontSide Bus, 60x vs. MPX -> advantage 7457



    Altivec -> None as of 750gx -> advantage 7457



    Max chip speed -> 7457 (now shipping at 1.3 ghz), 750gx announced initial max of 1.1 ghz. Advantage 7457.



    Energy consumption differences -> largely dissappear with the smaller process 7457 (1ghz -> 7.5 w).



    Price differences between the 750gx and 7457 -> The 7457 will be less than half the cost of a 7455, making the difference between it and the 750gx insignificant.
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  • Reply 17 of 43
    addisonaddison Posts: 1,185member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Ompus

    Who cares about the 750gx?



    FrontSide Bus, 60x vs. MPX -> advantage 7457



    Altivec -> None as of 750gx -> advantage 7457



    Max chip speed -> 7457 (now shipping at 1.3 ghz), 750gx announced initial max of 1.1 ghz. Advantage 7457.



    Energy consumption differences -> largely dissappear with the smaller process 7457 (1ghz -> 7.5 w).



    Price differences between the 750gx and 7457 -> The 7457 will be less than half the cost of a 7455, making the difference between it and the 750gx insignificant.




    You win the award for the most intelligent post!
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  • Reply 18 of 43
    gizzmonicgizzmonic Posts: 511member
    The 7457 is shipping now? Link please?



    Also, would it kill anyone to title the thread with a proper name, not this esoteric crap?
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  • Reply 19 of 43
    baumanbauman Posts: 1,248member
    Wait... 18 replies and nobody has questioned streamlinewhite's authority? What happened to the good ole AI pessimistic spirit? Nobody's asked, "Is that you, JYD"? What happened!?



    We must really be desperate for some new info on portables, that's for sure!
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  • Reply 20 of 43
    macsrgood4umacsrgood4u Posts: 3,007member
    The current PC750 IBM processor cannot be put into a laptop, unless you want it to be the size of the original Apple portable. It simply runs too hot. Since production has only begun on this chip, a second generation running cooler would seem to be at least 6 months away if not longer. Also, we should note that the G5 has not shipped yet. Looks like September will be the date for the product to be in stores.... and probably a very limited quantity. That's my conservative perspective. Too many pie in the sky posts here.
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