cybermonkey, I thought you'd be a little more cautious after the admin said you were making a fool of yourself.
Quote:
Originally posted by cybermonkey
this pc has this many pci slots, onboard this onboard that and oh onboard thisthat, it can take ata132,132,313,132,123213,2331,3232 blah blah, it has a system bus of that and this, i can overclock, underclock extraclock tell the time clock, its psu is 10000watts, got a fan here there another up there and down there, slot a, socket a socket this blah blah blah!!!!!!!
theres just too much to remember to stay on top of the tech in the pc world and then just as you get on top of it all, theres a new processor socket or different type of memory with a completly different slot and then microsoft chips in and says right you got to upgrade your 1 year comp so you can run the latest OS and keep getting support cos our product is shit.
You don't have to build your own you know. In fact the vast majority don't. If you look, other OEMs have default configs similar to Apples' fast/faster/fastest
Quote:
So when someone asks me well macs are expensive compared to pc's i just tell em a mac will last for many years without HAVING to upgrade all the flipping time.
Here's that "Apple's inability to produce faster computers is actually a benefit." excuse again. XP can run on a 500Mhz machine very comfortably. Where's the option to turn off visual effects for people without 3D cards, or people with G3s? You can in XP, and I'd bet money you can in longhorn too.
Quote:
When you take in the total cost of upgrading a pc to stay current you could of had 2 macs, not touched the insides at all
Wow, so upgrading individual components is not only more expensive than buying a replacement PC, it's more expensive than buying replacement Mac's as well?</scarcasm> I've worked at a repair center before, but I still don't think it takes any half-capable person > 1-2hours to swap even a motherboard. I know the monetary costs are less.
Games:
Opengl is a competant API, but directx includes more than just direct3d, even Quake3 uses directinput IIRC.
A large part of computer gaming is multiplayer. If the mac ports are 6-18 months behind PC releases, then the fresh mac players will be noobs in the community (if the game is still popular enough to find servers) or the mac users are cutoff entirely because incompatibilities. So gaming isn't too viable on the mac yet.
cybermonkey, I thought you'd be a little more cautious after the admin said you were making a fool of yourself.
You don't have to build your own you know. In fact the vast majority don't. If you look, other OEMs have default configs similar to Apples' fast/faster/fastest
I dont just build em i sell, what i was saying is that customers ask all that(those that are in the know). And the same when im hanging with me pc mates,
Quote:
Here's that "Apple's inability to produce faster computers is actually a benefit." excuse again. XP can run on a 500Mhz machine very comfortably. Where's the option to turn off visual effects for people without 3D cards, or people with G3s? You can in XP, and I'd bet money you can in longhorn too.
Wow, so upgrading individual components is not only more expensive than buying a replacement PC, it's more expensive than buying replacement Mac's as well?</scarcasm> I've worked at a repair center before, but I still don't think it takes any half-capable person > 1-2hours to swap even a motherboard. I know the monetary costs are less.
yes XP can run on a 500mhz machine but it dont do it comfortably at all, its slow, it will crash. Visual effects such as spring loaded folders and animated apps opning can be switched off. As for upgrading it isnt about just adding in new cards, which depending on the sort of cards your upgrading can be expensive yes,but people have the habbit of upgrading to a new motherboard because its quicker, processor, psu, case etc. What i was pointing out is that PC users feel the need to upgrade when anything new comes out which does get pretty pricey.
Well m8 i dont work at a repair centre nor did i say how long it takes to upgrade a part, i run me own business.
My post was not about how inadequate pcs are which is what you making me out to say, but more of what PC users in general, as a stereo type if you will, get up too.
and no im not making a fool of myself, just posting my true life time experiances in the pc business.
i don't know, i have a 600Mhz P3 with 128MB Ram and GeForce 2....it runs XP rather well...i mean it takes a while to start up but Photoshop Runs fast most of the programs operate well...i do get memory message often though and i'll admit its not nice as my brothers G4 733 with 784 mb ram but better then my OTHER brotheres g3 400Mhz 384mb ram
so its not bad but its probably about he same as <600MHz G3's so that should give some people some idea
On a direct hardware comparrison, try running several apps, IE:
on yer XP machine run photoshop, have outlook check for mail every minute, open word, load IE to a porn site with some pop-ups(mentioned porn site soley for the pop-ups ), have media player play some tunes andthen run a dvd. XP is going to moan at you in some form.
do the same on a mac with OSX.
XP looks nice sure but it has fatal flaws, the registry for one.
On a direct hardware comparrison, try running several apps, IE:
on yer XP machine run photoshop, have outlook check for mail every minute, open word, load IE to a porn site with some pop-ups(mentioned porn site soley for the pop-ups ), have media player play some tunes andthen run a dvd. XP is going to moan at you in some form.
do the same on a mac with OSX.
XP looks nice sure but it has fatal flaws, the registry for one.
if i understand the registry correctly its a good idea, just poorly implemented
You can run os6-8 on a pc through a bit of hardware and emulation.
Mac OS 8.1 is the highest OS that can be emulated on a PC, as Mac OS 8.5 and up require PowerPC CPUs (and there aren't any PowerPC emulators at the moment).
You don't need a ROM card: a ROM file will do, extracted from a Mac you own of course. You'd probably want a 1MB ROM from a Quadra or a Centris for the best feature set. More stuff about Mac emulation can be found at http://mes.emuunlim.com/mes/index.htm. My favourite Mac emulator is Basillisk II, as it's free and works rather well.
if i understand the registry correctly its a good idea, just poorly implemented
(makes it really easy to mod programs )
Oh dear,
If you really thing that then you have a problem.
If i counted up the time i have spent re-writting lines in the registry to make a system half stable again i'd be able to go off and spend a few years on a beach somewhere in spain if id gone the mac instead of PCs.
Quote:
if i understand the registry correctly its a good idea, just poorly implemented
Well, there are people that feel compelled to upgrade, but certainly don't HAVE to. I wouldn't say a reason to buy a mac is because some PC gamers upgrade their box every 6 months.
I've never heard of a case where stability is a function of processor speed. There may be errors, some funky applications may crash, but I don't think XP will do anything but slow down. Memory addresses don't suddenly become corrupted, IPC messages don't get lost.
If i counted up the time i have spent re-writting lines in the registry to make a system half stable again i'd be able to go off and spend a few years on a beach somewhere in spain if id gone the mac instead of PCs.
first i mean its a good idea for windows...second perhaps u can explain it better, i thought it was just to control keyaspects to a programadn store information about them
(bad implementation because of how easily it can be currupted and screwed with to destroy ur comptuer)
could you explain it to me better i'm not sure i have a good idea of what exactly it does
That should explain it better than i can, and save me poor fingers
As for you xmoger, well XP at first wont go down, true, but like all windows versions the more you install and uninstall software the more the registry becomes corrupt untill its time to stop responding. It will also deteriate over time, the only thig that props windows up is the ntfs file system, run XP on the fat 32 file system and all the problems inherent of windows will appear quicker than in ntfs.
And that my little window users is it for me on this thread.
couldn't you just install Linux and then OSX over the top of it?
On what? The PC?
Mac OS X is built for PowerPC processors like Motorola's G3 and G4 and IBM's G5. It will not run on the x86 chips like Intel's Pentiums and AMD's Athlon.
That's one of *the* most basic and fundamental differences between Macs and PCs. Software is not compatible because the hardware is completely different.
2. Perhaps A Problem but most mac users feel that you get what you pay for
3. True but its not a real problem for most users (plus you can use a two button mouse)
4. This is true
5. This is true also but doesn't have to be this way, if games were made with OpenGL (just as advanced as DirectX) then you would have to change hardly any code at all to make a port
OpenGL has decayed into uselessness for most major game dev houses. The amazing ammount of extentions in DX, and it's continued support make it much stronger than the competition. It's still usefull for some high-end rendering apps, but most places that are doing this stuff have their own in-house, proprietary software (Pixar for example).
uh I guess I wouldn't be surprized if you didn't know how to do it since most of you wouldn't know too much about getting it installed on a PC becasue you don't...
Even tho I think this is a troll thread, here are my comments. Basically we have software(OS) and hardware.
In the software, MacOX wins... no competition, especially with panther. end of story.
Hardware... a difficult one. In some cases it always seems that the wintel boxes get their first... DDR, 3200 RAM etc. BUT Apple always seems to take a step back and do it sooo much nicer.
At the end of the day there are always people like me that have used, and will continue to use both types of machine - and my final note is that I am typing this on my Mac, and my PC is switched off - just like the other 80% of its life since I got this mac... Its the uneducated PC users that should be asking themselves WHY? not me answering, I have already made my decision based on MY experiences... You should do the same, as I think today it comes down to a matter of taste and experience.
Comments
Originally posted by torifile
No. buy a gamecube.
Thinking of buying one just too play zelda, might have to hide though too many nephews and nieces
Originally posted by cybermonkey
this pc has this many pci slots, onboard this onboard that and oh onboard thisthat, it can take ata132,132,313,132,123213,2331,3232 blah blah, it has a system bus of that and this, i can overclock, underclock extraclock tell the time clock, its psu is 10000watts, got a fan here there another up there and down there, slot a, socket a socket this blah blah blah!!!!!!!
theres just too much to remember to stay on top of the tech in the pc world and then just as you get on top of it all, theres a new processor socket or different type of memory with a completly different slot and then microsoft chips in and says right you got to upgrade your 1 year comp so you can run the latest OS and keep getting support cos our product is shit.
You don't have to build your own you know. In fact the vast majority don't. If you look, other OEMs have default configs similar to Apples' fast/faster/fastest
So when someone asks me well macs are expensive compared to pc's i just tell em a mac will last for many years without HAVING to upgrade all the flipping time.
Here's that "Apple's inability to produce faster computers is actually a benefit." excuse again. XP can run on a 500Mhz machine very comfortably. Where's the option to turn off visual effects for people without 3D cards, or people with G3s? You can in XP, and I'd bet money you can in longhorn too.
When you take in the total cost of upgrading a pc to stay current you could of had 2 macs, not touched the insides at all
Wow, so upgrading individual components is not only more expensive than buying a replacement PC, it's more expensive than buying replacement Mac's as well?</scarcasm> I've worked at a repair center before, but I still don't think it takes any half-capable person > 1-2hours to swap even a motherboard. I know the monetary costs are less.
Games:
Opengl is a competant API, but directx includes more than just direct3d, even Quake3 uses directinput IIRC.
A large part of computer gaming is multiplayer. If the mac ports are 6-18 months behind PC releases, then the fresh mac players will be noobs in the community (if the game is still popular enough to find servers) or the mac users are cutoff entirely because incompatibilities. So gaming isn't too viable on the mac yet.
All of what you said is debateable.
But the debate is tired.
But, the necessity of examining every & tech building your own every 6 months, etc. is demonstrably false.
Originally posted by xmoger
cybermonkey, I thought you'd be a little more cautious after the admin said you were making a fool of yourself.
You don't have to build your own you know. In fact the vast majority don't. If you look, other OEMs have default configs similar to Apples' fast/faster/fastest
I dont just build em i sell, what i was saying is that customers ask all that(those that are in the know). And the same when im hanging with me pc mates,
Here's that "Apple's inability to produce faster computers is actually a benefit." excuse again. XP can run on a 500Mhz machine very comfortably. Where's the option to turn off visual effects for people without 3D cards, or people with G3s? You can in XP, and I'd bet money you can in longhorn too.
Wow, so upgrading individual components is not only more expensive than buying a replacement PC, it's more expensive than buying replacement Mac's as well?</scarcasm> I've worked at a repair center before, but I still don't think it takes any half-capable person > 1-2hours to swap even a motherboard. I know the monetary costs are less.
yes XP can run on a 500mhz machine but it dont do it comfortably at all, its slow, it will crash. Visual effects such as spring loaded folders and animated apps opning can be switched off. As for upgrading it isnt about just adding in new cards, which depending on the sort of cards your upgrading can be expensive yes,but people have the habbit of upgrading to a new motherboard because its quicker, processor, psu, case etc. What i was pointing out is that PC users feel the need to upgrade when anything new comes out which does get pretty pricey.
Well m8 i dont work at a repair centre nor did i say how long it takes to upgrade a part, i run me own business.
My post was not about how inadequate pcs are which is what you making me out to say, but more of what PC users in general, as a stereo type if you will, get up too.
and no im not making a fool of myself, just posting my true life time experiances in the pc business.
so its not bad but its probably about he same as <600MHz G3's so that should give some people some idea
on yer XP machine run photoshop, have outlook check for mail every minute, open word, load IE to a porn site with some pop-ups(mentioned porn site soley for the pop-ups
do the same on a mac with OSX.
XP looks nice sure but it has fatal flaws, the registry for one.
Originally posted by cybermonkey
On a direct hardware comparrison, try running several apps, IE:
on yer XP machine run photoshop, have outlook check for mail every minute, open word, load IE to a porn site with some pop-ups(mentioned porn site soley for the pop-ups
do the same on a mac with OSX.
XP looks nice sure but it has fatal flaws, the registry for one.
if i understand the registry correctly its a good idea, just poorly implemented
(makes it really easy to mod programs
You can run os6-8 on a pc through a bit of hardware and emulation.
Mac OS 8.1 is the highest OS that can be emulated on a PC, as Mac OS 8.5 and up require PowerPC CPUs (and there aren't any PowerPC emulators at the moment).
You don't need a ROM card: a ROM file will do, extracted from a Mac you own of course. You'd probably want a 1MB ROM from a Quadra or a Centris for the best feature set. More stuff about Mac emulation can be found at http://mes.emuunlim.com/mes/index.htm. My favourite Mac emulator is Basillisk II, as it's free and works rather well.
Originally posted by ast3r3x
if i understand the registry correctly its a good idea, just poorly implemented
(makes it really easy to mod programs
Oh dear,
If you really thing that then you have a problem.
If i counted up the time i have spent re-writting lines in the registry to make a system half stable again i'd be able to go off and spend a few years on a beach somewhere in spain if id gone the mac instead of PCs.
if i understand the registry correctly its a good idea, just poorly implemented
I've never heard of a case where stability is a function of processor speed. There may be errors, some funky applications may crash, but I don't think XP will do anything but slow down. Memory addresses don't suddenly become corrupted, IPC messages don't get lost.
Originally posted by cybermonkey
Oh dear,
If you really thing that then you have a problem.
If i counted up the time i have spent re-writting lines in the registry to make a system half stable again i'd be able to go off and spend a few years on a beach somewhere in spain if id gone the mac instead of PCs.
first i mean its a good idea for windows...second perhaps u can explain it better, i thought it was just to control keyaspects to a programadn store information about them
(bad implementation because of how easily it can be currupted and screwed with to destroy ur comptuer)
could you explain it to me better i'm not sure i have a good idea of what exactly it does
The registry explained
That should explain it better than i can, and save me poor fingers
As for you xmoger, well XP at first wont go down, true, but like all windows versions the more you install and uninstall software the more the registry becomes corrupt untill its time to stop responding. It will also deteriate over time, the only thig that props windows up is the ntfs file system, run XP on the fat 32 file system and all the problems inherent of windows will appear quicker than in ntfs.
And that my little window users is it for me on this thread.
Originally posted by Slotracer152
couldn't you just install Linux and then OSX over the top of it?
On what? The PC?
Mac OS X is built for PowerPC processors like Motorola's G3 and G4 and IBM's G5. It will not run on the x86 chips like Intel's Pentiums and AMD's Athlon.
That's one of *the* most basic and fundamental differences between Macs and PCs. Software is not compatible because the hardware is completely different.
Originally posted by ast3r3x
1. Not True (specially with the G5)
2. Perhaps A Problem but most mac users feel that you get what you pay for
3. True but its not a real problem for most users (plus you can use a two button mouse)
4. This is true
5. This is true also but doesn't have to be this way, if games were made with OpenGL (just as advanced as DirectX) then you would have to change hardly any code at all to make a port
OpenGL has decayed into uselessness for most major game dev houses. The amazing ammount of extentions in DX, and it's continued support make it much stronger than the competition. It's still usefull for some high-end rendering apps, but most places that are doing this stuff have their own in-house, proprietary software (Pixar for example).
Originally posted by Byan
uh I guess I wouldn't be surprized if you didn't know how to do it since most of you wouldn't know too much about getting it installed on a PC becasue you don't...
I already think that you are a jerk.
Also know as, a troll.
Even tho I think this is a troll thread, here are my comments. Basically we have software(OS) and hardware.
In the software, MacOX wins... no competition, especially with panther. end of story.
Hardware... a difficult one. In some cases it always seems that the wintel boxes get their first... DDR, 3200 RAM etc. BUT Apple always seems to take a step back and do it sooo much nicer.
At the end of the day there are always people like me that have used, and will continue to use both types of machine - and my final note is that I am typing this on my Mac, and my PC is switched off - just like the other 80% of its life since I got this mac... Its the uneducated PC users that should be asking themselves WHY? not me answering, I have already made my decision based on MY experiences... You should do the same, as I think today it comes down to a matter of taste and experience.