<strong>The question is how expensive will these chips be at first? Also just curious if it was your decision (whoever is reading this) and assuming that the software problems would be minumal....would you choose AMD hammer or the IBM 970 for Apple?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Unless I had 1) a universal translator with a 0% speed penalty, 2) very strong support from all of my major developers, 3) comittments from AMD backed by stiff 'failure to produce' clauses, I'd pick IBM.
1) Is as likely that you'll solve Fermat's last theorem on your napkin.
2) Is as likely as hurricanes in North Dakota. (Hey Quark, get a move on.)
3) AMD probably could put a compelling case forward, but who cares.
[quote]Originally posted by Transcendental Octothorpe:
<strong>Oh, anyone know what a VSP interface is?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Sure...virtual single processor. A way of distributing an app across multiple processors so that the app thinks it's a single processor. No need for SMP coded apps, that way. <a href="http://www.windriver.com/products/vspworks/index.html"; target="_blank">Wind River</a> does a bit of this, and I know IBM and Wind River are quite friendly
Sure...virtual single processor. A way of distributing an app across multiple processors so that the app thinks it's a single processor. No need for SMP coded apps, that way. <a href="http://www.windriver.com/products/vspworks/index.html"; target="_blank">Wind River</a> does a bit of this, and I know IBM and Wind River are quite friendly </strong><hr></blockquote>
[quote]Originally posted by Transcendental Octothorpe:
<strong>I have new info that I, unfortunately can't share here, but suffice it to say:
Maybe I'll be able to share a little bit more info as time goes on.
Oh, anyone know what a VSP interface is?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Virtual Serial Port. Do I win a prize.
Based on your previous post I'm would expect the 970 to already be in production and the newly introduced PowerMac's with 4-6 week ship dates will actually contain the 970.
Sure...virtual single processor. A way of distributing an app across multiple processors so that the app thinks it's a single processor.</strong><hr></blockquote>
though i think virtual single processor is more current news </strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, I looked around a bit before asking, and what I was wondering about deffinately isn't a serial port.
Oh, and wan't really regarding time frame, although that hasn't changed really.
I don't think I should say anything more than:
"We'll all be very happy when the 970-based PM comes out."
(well, as long as it doesn't cost a fortune. I don't have any info there.)
Sorry to be such a tease, but I don't want anyone to get in trouble. I probably shouldn't have said anything, as all I've done to you folks is "wake your appitite without bedin' her back down".
Just did a little searching...turns out a company called <a href="http://www.transtech-dsp.com/powerpc/vqg4.htm"; target="_blank">Transtech</a> makes quad G4 boards for serious applications. Apparently, they already have a <a href="http://www.transtech-dsp.com/software/vsipl.htm"; target="_blank">VSP</a> Interface or VSIPL working through VxWorks. Cool stuff - didn't really know anyone was doing this.
Well, I have no info from Apple. Just IBM and Mot.
All I know is when Apple is supposed to get chips, and how long they've had to design with them.
It is my opinion (seriously, all my info could be wrong or change) that the next PM update will include a 970, and that it will happen before fall.
Maybe my judgement is clouded, as I (like the rest of us) really want a 970 PM. See my sig. It's the one thing that will finally make me drop the couple grand.
<strong>Apple can use the HYPE of the 970 to sell G4s. Here's how: Introduce a new line up of 4 PowerMacs models, the low-end using 7457 processors in speeds of 1.2 and 1.4GHz with 200MHz buses. The other 2 high-end models are 970 machines due in March running at 1.6 and 1.8GHz with 800 and 900MHz buses respectively. They hype the 970 machines during the expo but they will have the 7457 machines in there available immediately to quench their thirst.</strong><hr></blockquote>
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<strong>The question is how expensive will these chips be at first? Also just curious if it was your decision (whoever is reading this) and assuming that the software problems would be minumal....would you choose AMD hammer or the IBM 970 for Apple?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Unless I had 1) a universal translator with a 0% speed penalty, 2) very strong support from all of my major developers, 3) comittments from AMD backed by stiff 'failure to produce' clauses, I'd pick IBM.
1) Is as likely that you'll solve Fermat's last theorem on your napkin.
2) Is as likely as hurricanes in North Dakota. (Hey Quark, get a move on.)
3) AMD probably could put a compelling case forward, but who cares.
<strong>Oh, anyone know what a VSP interface is?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Sure...virtual single processor. A way of distributing an app across multiple processors so that the app thinks it's a single processor. No need for SMP coded apps, that way. <a href="http://www.windriver.com/products/vspworks/index.html"; target="_blank">Wind River</a> does a bit of this, and I know IBM and Wind River are quite friendly
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Sure...virtual single processor. A way of distributing an app across multiple processors so that the app thinks it's a single processor. No need for SMP coded apps, that way. <a href="http://www.windriver.com/products/vspworks/index.html"; target="_blank">Wind River</a> does a bit of this, and I know IBM and Wind River are quite friendly
Nice. Maybe Adobe asked for this feature?
<strong>I have new info that I, unfortunately can't share here, but suffice it to say:
Maybe I'll be able to share a little bit more info as time goes on.
Oh, anyone know what a VSP interface is?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Virtual Serial Port. Do I win a prize.
Based on your previous post I'm would expect the 970 to already be in production and the newly introduced PowerMac's with 4-6 week ship dates will actually contain the 970.
<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" />
Cynicism aside, this would mean production begining early part of March. Hope so.
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Sure...virtual single processor. A way of distributing an app across multiple processors so that the app thinks it's a single processor.</strong><hr></blockquote>
sweeeeeeeeeet
<strong>So which is it? Serial port or single processor?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Both
though i think virtual single processor is more current news
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Both
though i think virtual single processor is more current news
Yeah, I looked around a bit before asking, and what I was wondering about deffinately isn't a serial port.
Oh, and
I don't think I should say anything more than:
"We'll all be very happy when the 970-based PM comes out."
(well, as long as it doesn't cost a fortune. I don't have any info there.)
Sorry to be such a tease, but I don't want anyone to get in trouble. I probably shouldn't have said anything, as all I've done to you folks is "wake your appitite without bedin' her back down".
[ 01-31-2003: Message edited by: Transcendental Octothorpe ]</p>
Screed
<img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
<strong>Hm, would multiple cores "act" much like multiple processors?</strong><hr></blockquote>
970's aren't multi-core.
[quote]Originally posted by Octothorpe:
<strong>I don't think I should say anything more than:
"We'll all be very happy when the 970-based PM comes out."</strong><hr></blockquote>
Gee, do ya think ?
Who needs hyperthreading when you've got this?
Maybe PPC could deliver on its promise to be twice as fast at half the cost?
Dual 1.8 acting as a 3.6 Gigger! Acting as a 7.2 gig G4
:eek: :eek: :eek:
Adobe no need to do multiprocessor code anymore?
Golly.
Intel 'blow away' the 970..?
Sounds like the full details (the fine print) of the Apple/IBM 970 implementation are yet to be revealed.
Ace up the sleeve?
Lemon Bon Bon <img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" />
Exceeding the projected 1.8GHz.
Wish I could believe any of this. I'm still expecting the MPC7457 mid summer and the 970 very very late 2003 or early 2004.
message to IBM - suprise me, please.
<strong>When did they start?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Exactly.
<strong>That leaves yields and speeds.
Exceeding the projected 1.8GHz.
Wish I could believe any of this. I'm still expecting the MPC7457 mid summer and the 970 very very late 2003 or early 2004.
message to IBM - suprise me, please.
Well we won't get 3 updates in one year, so if we don't get the 970 this fall (which I doubt) we wouldn't get it until the end of next January.
So Transcendental Octothorpe-
You're saying without a doubt we will get the 970? So if production is in March, how long before they are shippable?
<strong>March?
Hm, okay MWNY (The Final Chapter) is too far away. Ditto for WWDC.
Well what do you know!?
National Broadcasters Association in <a href="http://www.nab.org/conventions/nab2003"; target="_blank">April</a>!
Screed</strong><hr></blockquote>
Your logic is beyond flawed
As said if march production is made than ur looking at mwny at earliest and thats being a touch optimisitc with a little more realism albeit.
If history is any indication ur at least 6 montsh away from the next powermac update.
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All I know is when Apple is supposed to get chips, and how long they've had to design with them.
It is my opinion (seriously, all my info could be wrong or change) that the next PM update will include a 970, and that it will happen before fall.
Maybe my judgement is clouded, as I (like the rest of us) really want a 970 PM. See my sig. It's the one thing that will finally make me drop the couple grand.
[ 01-31-2003: Message edited by: Transcendental Octothorpe ]</p>
<strong>Apple can use the HYPE of the 970 to sell G4s. Here's how: Introduce a new line up of 4 PowerMacs models, the low-end using 7457 processors in speeds of 1.2 and 1.4GHz with 200MHz buses. The other 2 high-end models are 970 machines due in March running at 1.6 and 1.8GHz with 800 and 900MHz buses respectively. They hype the 970 machines during the expo but they will have the 7457 machines in there available immediately to quench their thirst.</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" /> <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />