<strong>EDIT: Actually, I'm a foreigner too, in that I'm not Dutch, have never been, and will, most likely, never be. Dutch is an official language outside of Holland too, you know.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ah, I guessed wrong then - I do know there are many countries that use dutch as an official language as well. If not more, there are some nice islands that do!
If the 7457 is a 130 nm 7455, would Motorola not do something about the bus-speed at the same time?
BTW I adopted the nick Pim Fortuyn a long time ago for other then political reasons. I cant be bothered to change the nick just because he got into politics and some idiot shot him.
<strong>This likely means that the 7457 is finally ready. Moto must have finally got a handle on their 130nm process.</strong><hr></blockquote>
excactly what i wanted to add here
i hope this will bring a speedUp of the powerbook- and imac-line... though i'm already hoping that this could be a result of much faster powermacs .... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
<strong>If the 7457 is a 130 nm 7455, would Motorola not do something about the bus-speed at the same time?
Pim</strong><hr></blockquote>
i read they bring in some real DDR-support and rapid IO in the second half of 2003 (and up the speed to 2 Ghz according the pdf i saw) no mention about busspeed
By "real DDR" do you mean a CPU with the bandwidth to take advantage of DDR-SDRAM or a CPU with an onboard DDR-SDRAM controller? Is the G4 a "fake" processor? I'm fairly sure it's real, and the DDR-SDRAM in the dual 1.25 I use is real...
The ONLY processors with "real" DDR support are those which have onboard DDR-SDRAM controllers. Which are the Motorola G5s, Hammers, POWERs and the Mythical 7457-RM (really a 7500 when you compare it to the 7400).
The question posed is "does the system take full advantage of the memory bandwidth?" If you think the answer is "no", then the CPU mearly needs faster bandwidth. It cannot have "true DDR" without being a DDR-SDRAM controller.
<strong>By "real DDR" do you mean a CPU with the bandwidth to take advantage of DDR-SDRAM or a CPU with an onboard DDR-SDRAM controller? Is the G4 a "fake" processor? I'm fairly sure it's real, and the DDR-SDRAM in the dual 1.25 I use is real...
The ONLY processors with "real" DDR support are those which have onboard DDR-SDRAM controllers. Which are the Motorola G5s, Hammers, POWERs and the Mythical 7457-RM (really a 7500 when you compare it to the 7400).
The question posed is "does the system take full advantage of the memory bandwidth?" If you think the answer is "no", then the CPU mearly needs faster bandwidth. It cannot have "true DDR" without being a DDR-SDRAM controller.
i thought i read somewhere the next rev 7457 will speeds up to 1833Mhz and so will actually sports a 167Mhz fsb (don't believe they can push it to 333Mhz fsb)
[ 01-17-2003: Message edited by: gar ]
btw: barto, i mailed you a pdf with this info, in case you don't have it yet
The 7455 sports a 167MHz system bus already, and the 7457 should according to Motorola documents will sport a 200MHz system bus. The "1833MHz" figure is just from rumor sites.
I can imagine a 1.0GHz, 1.25GHz and 1.5GHz Power Mac line, with the 1.5GHz model utilizing QDR400 memory.
The 7455 sports a 167MHz system bus already, and the 7457 should according to Motorola documents will sport a 200MHz system bus. The "1833MHz" figure is just from rumor sites.
I can imagine a 1.0GHz, 1.25GHz and 1.5GHz Power Mac line, with the 1.5GHz model utilizing QDR400 memory.
Barto</strong><hr></blockquote>
barto,
1833Mhz is from the pulled motorola pdf.
i thought the next rev.G3 (gobi) has a 200Mhz fsb.
can't find anything about the fsb of the 7457 exept i dont expect it to be 333Mhz...
<strong>Good point. Plus, this will really be an incremental update I think.
I'm going to order the dual 1.25. If it were my money I might wait, but I don't feel like telling my boss about a runmor I heard on AI. </strong><hr></blockquote>
don't hate me if i'm wrong, i'll wait till april (at least) and maybe till october
<strong>I'm going to order the dual 1.25. If it were my money I might wait, but I don't feel like telling my boss about a runmor I heard on AI. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Order them...you won't be disappointed. We have several here at work with the 17" LCD and they are nice and fast. A bit on the loud side, but that's because of the cpus and heatsinks. Wait til you see just how BIG that thing really is!
Good point about the boss/rumor issue. I ordered these a month ago and was going to wait until MWSF but decided to hell with it...people's productivity is more important than that!
Quick question: There is no way on earth that a new processor will make it's way into an iMac in the next 12 months, right? I am still assuming that to get any new processor within the next year, one will need to buy a Power Mac tower? Your thoughts? Thanks! <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
<strong>Quick question: There is no way on earth that a new processor will make it's way into an iMac in the next 12 months, right? I am still assuming that to get any new processor within the next year, one will need to buy a Power Mac tower? Your thoughts? Thanks! <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
It will depend on the cooling situation. If the new processors are cooler than the current range of products then yes, I could see the same family used in both PowerMacs and iMacs eg MPC 5757, but NOT the 970. The 970 will require major changes to the board and so the PM's will come first.
<strong>Quick question: There is no way on earth that a new processor will make it's way into an iMac in the next 12 months, right? I am still assuming that to get any new processor within the next year, one will need to buy a Power Mac tower? Your thoughts? Thanks! <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
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<strong>EDIT: Actually, I'm a foreigner too, in that I'm not Dutch, have never been, and will, most likely, never be. Dutch is an official language outside of Holland too, you know.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ah, I guessed wrong then - I do know there are many countries that use dutch as an official language as well. If not more, there are some nice islands that do!
BTW I adopted the nick Pim Fortuyn a long time ago for other then political reasons. I cant be bothered to change the nick just because he got into politics and some idiot shot him.
Pim
<strong>This likely means that the 7457 is finally ready. Moto must have finally got a handle on their 130nm process.</strong><hr></blockquote>
excactly what i wanted to add here
i hope this will bring a speedUp of the powerbook- and imac-line... though i'm already hoping that this could be a result of much faster powermacs .... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
I work for a reseller. In november we ordered a large number of PM867's. They still haven't arrived....
Now, Apple is urging us to do a thorough stock-count. (Our educated guess is that it's for price compensation)....
<strong>If the 7457 is a 130 nm 7455, would Motorola not do something about the bus-speed at the same time?
Pim</strong><hr></blockquote>
i read they bring in some real DDR-support and rapid IO in the second half of 2003 (and up the speed to 2 Ghz according the pdf i saw) no mention about busspeed
gar
The ONLY processors with "real" DDR support are those which have onboard DDR-SDRAM controllers. Which are the Motorola G5s, Hammers, POWERs and the Mythical 7457-RM (really a 7500 when you compare it to the 7400).
The question posed is "does the system take full advantage of the memory bandwidth?" If you think the answer is "no", then the CPU mearly needs faster bandwidth. It cannot have "true DDR" without being a DDR-SDRAM controller.
Barto
[ 01-17-2003: Message edited by: Barto ]</p>
<strong>By "real DDR" do you mean a CPU with the bandwidth to take advantage of DDR-SDRAM or a CPU with an onboard DDR-SDRAM controller? Is the G4 a "fake" processor? I'm fairly sure it's real, and the DDR-SDRAM in the dual 1.25 I use is real...
The ONLY processors with "real" DDR support are those which have onboard DDR-SDRAM controllers. Which are the Motorola G5s, Hammers, POWERs and the Mythical 7457-RM (really a 7500 when you compare it to the 7400).
The question posed is "does the system take full advantage of the memory bandwidth?" If you think the answer is "no", then the CPU mearly needs faster bandwidth. It cannot have "true DDR" without being a DDR-SDRAM controller.
Barto
[ 01-17-2003: Message edited by: Barto ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
sorry, it's the 7457-RM i was talking about.
i thought i read somewhere the next rev 7457 will speeds up to 1833Mhz and so will actually sports a 167Mhz fsb (don't believe they can push it to 333Mhz fsb)
[ 01-17-2003: Message edited by: gar ]
btw: barto, i mailed you a pdf with this info, in case you don't have it yet
[ 01-17-2003: Message edited by: gar ]</p>
The 7455 sports a 167MHz system bus already, and the 7457 should according to Motorola documents will sport a 200MHz system bus. The "1833MHz" figure is just from rumor sites.
I can imagine a 1.0GHz, 1.25GHz and 1.5GHz Power Mac line, with the 1.5GHz model utilizing QDR400 memory.
Barto
<strong>Thanks for clearing that up.
The 7455 sports a 167MHz system bus already, and the 7457 should according to Motorola documents will sport a 200MHz system bus. The "1833MHz" figure is just from rumor sites.
I can imagine a 1.0GHz, 1.25GHz and 1.5GHz Power Mac line, with the 1.5GHz model utilizing QDR400 memory.
Barto</strong><hr></blockquote>
barto,
1833Mhz is from the pulled motorola pdf.
i thought the next rev.G3 (gobi) has a 200Mhz fsb.
can't find anything about the fsb of the 7457 exept i dont expect it to be 333Mhz...
Barto
I need to buy a system here at work and if something is coming w/in the next few weeks, I'd like to hold off. Should I?
<strong>So, whats the consensus? Are PMs going to be announced B4 the end of January?
I need to buy a system here at work and if something is coming w/in the next few weeks, I'd like to hold off. Should I?</strong><hr></blockquote>
well, the last update was in september 2002
(G4 867DP/1000DP/1250DP)
before that it was in the end of januari 2002
(G4 800/933/1000DP)
that's about 7.5 months...
before that it was updated at mwny in juli 2001
(G4 733/867/800DP)
that's about 6.5 months...
so you could expect an update in... :eek: april
[ 01-17-2003: Message edited by: gar ]</p>
I'm going to order the dual 1.25. If it were my money I might wait, but I don't feel like telling my boss about a runmor I heard on AI.
<strong>Good point. Plus, this will really be an incremental update I think.
I'm going to order the dual 1.25. If it were my money I might wait, but I don't feel like telling my boss about a runmor I heard on AI.
don't hate me if i'm wrong, i'll wait till april (at least) and maybe till october
<strong>I'm going to order the dual 1.25. If it were my money I might wait, but I don't feel like telling my boss about a runmor I heard on AI.
Order them...you won't be disappointed. We have several here at work with the 17" LCD and they are nice and fast. A bit on the loud side, but that's because of the cpus and heatsinks. Wait til you see just how BIG that thing really is!
Good point about the boss/rumor issue. I ordered these a month ago and was going to wait until MWSF but decided to hell with it...people's productivity is more important than that!
[ 01-17-2003: Message edited by: Slackula ]</p>
<strong>Quick question: There is no way on earth that a new processor will make it's way into an iMac in the next 12 months, right? I am still assuming that to get any new processor within the next year, one will need to buy a Power Mac tower? Your thoughts? Thanks!
[ 01-17-2003: Message edited by: Slackula ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
It will depend on the cooling situation. If the new processors are cooler than the current range of products then yes, I could see the same family used in both PowerMacs and iMacs eg MPC 5757, but NOT the 970. The 970 will require major changes to the board and so the PM's will come first.
<strong>Quick question: There is no way on earth that a new processor will make it's way into an iMac in the next 12 months, right? I am still assuming that to get any new processor within the next year, one will need to buy a Power Mac tower? Your thoughts? Thanks!
[ 01-17-2003: Message edited by: Slackula ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
There better be a new processor before 12 months is up. And it better be the 970.