Why is PPP so ****ing bad in OS X? iChat doesn't work, many web sites wont load. It's about as slow as it can be. All is fine under OS 9. Everything works in OS X with a cable modem.
Who do you use for dial-up? It may be an issue on their end. I started using OS X at 10.1.2 and dial-up has always been great for me.
I often use EarthLink dial-up at my folks' house, and it works like a champ. I often connect at 49 Kbps. From my apt in Boston my best connection was 45.3 Kbps (before I got DSL). But the connection was always solid.
PPP is ok, not great. My iBook works well, and gets good speeds, and Ive used it with several different ISP's around the world ( currently with AOL ).
The big suck about it is that if the modem disconnects, it can take up to 20 minutes for OS X to find out, and there seems to be no way to force it to reset the modem. Ive had the 'disconnecting' scrolling across the menubar for even longer sometimes.
On the flip side, my mothers PC often has really bad PPP connections, because of a noisy phone line. But different drivers cause different things to happen. In general the symptoms are similar to yours. If the modem gets plugged into a different wall socket it is fine.
Modems suck. At this point in time I think that the best way to go is with a gateway machine ( or an airport box ) that handles your modem for your. Then when you sort out things like noisy lines and cruddy software you only have to do it once.
PPP has always worked fine for me in X. I've only have the never-ending disconnect thing once, under 10.1.x. Otherwise, it has been okay. X likes to stay connected to the internet a whole lot more than 9 does though...
Safari sucks under PPP. On line banking doesn't work. Novel web based mail doesn't work. Pages time out when they shouldn't. Everything loads very slow.
Yea thanks asshole. Maybe you can engage your brain for half a second and figure out why under cable everything works and under PPP only the most basic HTML works. Must be my fault right?
Yea thanks asshole. Maybe you can engage your brain for half a second and figure out why under cable everything works and under PPP only the most basic HTML works. Must be my fault right?
Just a light-hearted jibe dude - anyhoo, it _does_ sound like everyone else isn't experiencing the dramas you are. Have you tried repairing permissions/system reinstall/all sys updates/different browsers etc etc? If safari is slow and shit (which it shouldn't be), then i'd say your problems are running to the core of the system.
I (and many others) have used PPP on X with little problems, yes it's slower than cable (obviously) but everything still loads..
Gosh PPP is slower than cable? Whoda thunk it? PPP hasn't worked well out of the box. Unfortunately I only have one dial up to test it out on. But considering when in OS 9 ( you did bother to read didn't you?) everything works I can only assume that a fresh installation of OS X from Apple has shitty PPP.
I have been using dial-up on my iMac for over a year. No problems at all. Safari works with all my bank accounts and credit card companies.
I recently went and got Broadband using BT ADSL. I noticed that the USB ADSL modem also suffers from the "Disconnecting" bug, so it is not just the internal modem. I bought myself a router in the end as the USB ADSL modem takes about 45 seconds to wake up each time I wakeup the iMac.
Gosh PPP is slower than cable? Whoda thunk it? PPP hasn't worked well out of the box. Unfortunately I only have one dial up to test it out on. But considering when in OS 9 ( you did bother to read didn't you?) everything works I can only assume that a fresh installation of OS X from Apple has shitty PPP.
If you wanna ask questions you could try being gracious when people try to offer their experiences. Incidentlly i use ppp on 10.2.6 for both surfing and dial in to remote servers and have found it very stable.
My settings are as follows
Control panel> Internal Modem> TCP/IP tab - no settings
Control panel> Internal Modem> PPP - just the usual stuff
Control panel> Internal Modem> PPP> PPP Options
prompt every 30 mins
disconnect if idle 10
disconnect when user logs out
advanced
send ppp echo packets
use tcp header compression
Control panel> Internal Modem> Proxies - no settings
Why is PPP so ****ing bad in OS X? iChat doesn't work, many web sites wont load. It's about as slow as it can be. All is fine under OS 9. Everything works in OS X with a cable modem.
But dial in with OS X and it's pure shit.
Why?
I solved a problem at a clients business by enabling the "terminal logging". It adds one more small step but it seams to make the connection more solid and it connects first time every tim. It used to take 4 tries or more.
Probably the connection I bet, my connection is complete shit, so it wont even work well in OS 9 or on Windows....it actually works better for some reason on OS X. It says Im connect at 45333 bps but web pages take a few minutes to fully load, and I am constantly finding myself connecting fine (going through the dialing, then putting in account name and password and it connects) and I am not even connected to the internet. Then there are times when it just suddenly disconnects...when I was using my G3 w/OS 9 it would literally disconnect me every 2 minutes. I dont know why its so bad....I just wish I had cable or something...
Safari sucks under PPP. On line banking doesn't work. Novel web based mail doesn't work. Pages time out when they shouldn't. Everything loads very slow.
This isn't a Explorer vs Safari thing.
It's a PPP under OS X is shit thing.
Sounds like your connection is the problem, not PPP in general. You might try dialing up with several different ISP's and see if you have better results.
I have no trouble whatsoever with my connection under OSX and it seems the majority of posters here don't either. Therefore I would assume it is a problem with your computer. Just because OS9 works fine does not mean much. PPP has a number of different settings that you may not have set the same for each OS. Have you tried checking this? Also the modem has different scripts for each operating system. In the past there was an update to OSX that gave people a lot of trouble with their connection and changing scripts helped. Try changing the script to see if this makes a difference. When I take my iBook to my relatives house I can't stay connected worth a damn unless I change the script to the v.34 one. The reason this is so is because they have a noisey phone line. The modem may be more sensitive to noise under OSX than OS9.
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Who do you use for dial-up? It may be an issue on their end. I started using OS X at 10.1.2 and dial-up has always been great for me.
I often use EarthLink dial-up at my folks' house, and it works like a champ. I often connect at 49 Kbps. From my apt in Boston my best connection was 45.3 Kbps (before I got DSL). But the connection was always solid.
The big suck about it is that if the modem disconnects, it can take up to 20 minutes for OS X to find out, and there seems to be no way to force it to reset the modem. Ive had the 'disconnecting' scrolling across the menubar for even longer sometimes.
On the flip side, my mothers PC often has really bad PPP connections, because of a noisy phone line. But different drivers cause different things to happen. In general the symptoms are similar to yours. If the modem gets plugged into a different wall socket it is fine.
Modems suck. At this point in time I think that the best way to go is with a gateway machine ( or an airport box ) that handles your modem for your. Then when you sort out things like noisy lines and cruddy software you only have to do it once.
The default Mac browser is Safari now, too
Barto
Safari is so much more practical also, tabbed browsing is soo cool!
Sorry, not much help I guess. I don't have dialup anymore.
Jimzip
This isn't a Explorer vs Safari thing.
It's a PPP under OS X is shit thing.
Originally posted by tokenfirstyear
sounds like it's a PEBKAC error....
Yea thanks asshole. Maybe you can engage your brain for half a second and figure out why under cable everything works and under PPP only the most basic HTML works. Must be my fault right?
Originally posted by Scott
Yea thanks asshole. Maybe you can engage your brain for half a second and figure out why under cable everything works and under PPP only the most basic HTML works. Must be my fault right?
Just a light-hearted jibe dude - anyhoo, it _does_ sound like everyone else isn't experiencing the dramas you are. Have you tried repairing permissions/system reinstall/all sys updates/different browsers etc etc? If safari is slow and shit (which it shouldn't be), then i'd say your problems are running to the core of the system.
I (and many others) have used PPP on X with little problems, yes it's slower than cable (obviously) but everything still loads..
I recently went and got Broadband using BT ADSL. I noticed that the USB ADSL modem also suffers from the "Disconnecting" bug, so it is not just the internal modem. I bought myself a router in the end as the USB ADSL modem takes about 45 seconds to wake up each time I wakeup the iMac.
Originally posted by Scott
Gosh PPP is slower than cable? Whoda thunk it? PPP hasn't worked well out of the box. Unfortunately I only have one dial up to test it out on. But considering when in OS 9 ( you did bother to read didn't you?) everything works I can only assume that a fresh installation of OS X from Apple has shitty PPP.
If you wanna ask questions you could try being gracious when people try to offer their experiences. Incidentlly i use ppp on 10.2.6 for both surfing and dial in to remote servers and have found it very stable.
My settings are as follows
Control panel> Internal Modem> TCP/IP tab - no settings
Control panel> Internal Modem> PPP - just the usual stuff
Control panel> Internal Modem> PPP> PPP Options
prompt every 30 mins
disconnect if idle 10
disconnect when user logs out
advanced
send ppp echo packets
use tcp header compression
Control panel> Internal Modem> Proxies - no settings
Control panel> Internal Modem> Modem
enable error correction and compression
wait for dial tone ...
dialing tone
sound on
country settings US
show modem status
Originally posted by Scott
Why is PPP so ****ing bad in OS X? iChat doesn't work, many web sites wont load. It's about as slow as it can be. All is fine under OS 9. Everything works in OS X with a cable modem.
But dial in with OS X and it's pure shit.
Why?
I solved a problem at a clients business by enabling the "terminal logging". It adds one more small step but it seams to make the connection more solid and it connects first time every tim. It used to take 4 tries or more.
Hope this helps
Originally posted by Scott
Safari sucks under PPP. On line banking doesn't work. Novel web based mail doesn't work. Pages time out when they shouldn't. Everything loads very slow.
This isn't a Explorer vs Safari thing.
It's a PPP under OS X is shit thing.
Sounds like your connection is the problem, not PPP in general. You might try dialing up with several different ISP's and see if you have better results.
Originally posted by gardnerj
If you wanna ask questions you could try being gracious when people try to offer their experiences....
You must have missed his insult the first time around.