Yes, fecal-colored glasses could cause major vision problems. Especially since systemic problems must be present in the brain in order for one to willingly put them on.
Unfortunately that systemic problem also causes those with it not to realize that there is a systemic problem.
Those guys would say anything these days. I kind of doubt it has anything to do with them.
What have then taken credit for so far that eventually was attributed to something else? This would be a first step for them, claiming attacks that were not their one, would it not?
That's why I'm curious. If it's not them, then I think it's a good example that their power is failing (no pun intended.) If it was them, then there's a whole lotta fallout.
When I read that article last night I definatly had to laugh out loud.
Whether or not the blackout was terrorism, (and I, like most people, say it most definatly was not) it really sends a message to AQ:
Sure, it was inconveniant, and it had a large economic impact, but did our society collapse? No. Did life as we know it grind to a halt, never to be restarted? No. Was there mass looting or a crime wave? No. It actually brougt neighbors together and encuraged cooperation, which are good things.
So they really should be scratching their heads and wondering how they could have misread us so greatly. We, unlike they, are (for the most part) coopritive, while they are tribal---every clan for itself. That's the differance.
Yes but if they were to shut the grid down, it would be with the intent to kill as many people as possible during that time / cause as much panic as possible. Not to have us kill each other because it's dark on the streets or whatever. The only reason they even commented was to get into our heads and get us thinking that they can control our power grid.
In order to cause fear / paranoia, they have to have a media presence. This is their way of trying to re-establish that when they haven't done anything of note in months other than the bomb in Jakarta (and even then it hasn't been tied directly to AQ senior leadership).
Modern terrorism requires using the mass media to generate fear from the terrorists' actions. That's kinda difficult to achieve when you knockout 50 million TV sets.
Also, Toronto's very large Muslim community was huddled in the dark like everyone else. By taking credit for the event, Al Queda's making enemies even in places where they had pockets of sympathy.
Yes but if they were to shut the grid down, it would be with the intent to kill as many people as possible during that time / cause as much panic as possible.
Well if they can get this to reoccur then they'll show they have some control. Assuming it is them, which is a big assumption.
You all need to take this more seriously. It isn't impossible. It would actually be nice if it was true, then Bush would never get elected again. They announced that it wasn't terrorism very quickly, almost too quickly. It goes to show how thorough our "intelligence" is. It was transmission lines and some accidents like tree branches and overloads in Ohio. Why did Ohio effect everyone else? Deregulation. That's right. Republicans, not Al Quaeda, are to thank. Remember that when you vote. Utilities should not be deregulated, it just doesn't make sense.
You all need to take this more seriously. It isn't impossible. It would actually be nice if it was true, then Bush would never get elected again. They announced that it wasn't terrorism very quickly, almost too quickly. It goes to show how thorough our "intelligence" is. It was transmission lines and some accidents like tree branches and overloads in Ohio. Why did Ohio effect everyone else? Deregulation. That's right. Republicans, not Al Quaeda, are to thank. Remember that when you vote. Utilities should not be deregulated, it just doesn't make sense.
Especially when it comes to electricity. You *NEED* excess capacity but what cost cutting business is really going to stay true to that notion?
Also, Toronto's very large Muslim community was huddled in the dark like everyone else. By taking credit for the event, Al Queda's making enemies even in places where they had pockets of sympathy.
Not exactly brain surgeons, are they?
They don't think twice about killing their own people (which oddly doesn't seem to effect their popularity in the Mideast), so I'm sure they could care less about how a power outage would effect Muslims.
Why did Ohio effect everyone else? Deregulation. That's right. Republicans, not Al Quaeda, are to thank. Remember that when you vote. Utilities should not be deregulated, it just doesn't make sense.
Sorry, but I don't buy the "deregulation" nonsense. As much as politicos like to think in those terms, this isn't a left vs. right issue of who gets the blame. We're all to blame and now we have to pull together and fix it.
Here in Ontario the first plants back up and running were the privately operated ones. They're saving our necks, since the gov't operated nukes take a lot longer to bring back up. They shouldn't have gone to zero output in the first place, but the plants are so poorly maintained that the operators didn't want to take the chance to running them at 50% as they are supposed to in such a situation.
The problem is a transmission grid that's old and outdated. Even the Ontario Gov't deregulation plan called for privatizing the plants, not the grid itself.
Rather than trying to score cheap points on Bush, maybe we should spend the time fguring out how to implement a 21st century grid, which allows for two way power. Homes of the future could come standard with solar cells on the roof, mini-windmills and/or heat pumps, which feed back into the grid for a rebate.
A new grid would allow the electricity companies to offer broadband internet access, bringing a new source of financing to the equation.
Also, since I've heard modern appliances can use up to 90% less electricity than 4 year old ones, maybe a rebate program can be offered to junk those inefficient ones.
Or maybe we can all just sit around and blame Bush.
Also, since I've heard modern appliances can use up to 90% less electricity than 4 year old ones, maybe a rebate program can be offered to junk those inefficient ones.
Just my nagging contribution, but could it be that all the benefits of newer, more efficient appliances are getting washed out by the proliferation of newer and (presumably) more powerful home computers? Does everybody really need 2 GHz computers with videocards sucking 50 amps? ...just a rhetorical question, of course.
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Originally posted by Moogs
Yes, fecal-colored glasses could cause major vision problems. Especially since systemic problems must be present in the brain in order for one to willingly put them on.
Unfortunately that systemic problem also causes those with it not to realize that there is a systemic problem.
Originally posted by BR
Exactly. I just hate it when these idiots wearing political party goggles refuse to look at any topic without their own stupid spin.
Uh oh, there is going to be more POST REPORTING!!!
heh
Originally posted by gardnerj
Al Qaida ate my homework?
Yea, that's the ticket
If you *do* something, people come at you with large weapons and blow the crap out of you.
If you *don't* do anything, people forget you.
If you *don't* do anything, but say you *did*, you get laughed at.
Poor, poor widdle idjits.
If I were them, I'd just off my widdle self.
Hey, now that's a good idea.
Originally posted by jimmac
Those guys would say anything these days. I kind of doubt it has anything to do with them.
What have then taken credit for so far that eventually was attributed to something else? This would be a first step for them, claiming attacks that were not their one, would it not?
That's why I'm curious. If it's not them, then I think it's a good example that their power is failing (no pun intended.) If it was them, then there's a whole lotta fallout.
Whether or not the blackout was terrorism, (and I, like most people, say it most definatly was not) it really sends a message to AQ:
Sure, it was inconveniant, and it had a large economic impact, but did our society collapse? No. Did life as we know it grind to a halt, never to be restarted? No. Was there mass looting or a crime wave? No. It actually brougt neighbors together and encuraged cooperation, which are good things.
So they really should be scratching their heads and wondering how they could have misread us so greatly. We, unlike they, are (for the most part) coopritive, while they are tribal---every clan for itself. That's the differance.
In order to cause fear / paranoia, they have to have a media presence. This is their way of trying to re-establish that when they haven't done anything of note in months other than the bomb in Jakarta (and even then it hasn't been tied directly to AQ senior leadership).
Also, Toronto's very large Muslim community was huddled in the dark like everyone else. By taking credit for the event, Al Queda's making enemies even in places where they had pockets of sympathy.
Not exactly brain surgeons, are they?
Originally posted by Moogs
Yes but if they were to shut the grid down, it would be with the intent to kill as many people as possible during that time / cause as much panic as possible.
Well if they can get this to reoccur then they'll show they have some control. Assuming it is them, which is a big assumption.
Hey it's certainly possible, but why should we take their word for it?
Originally posted by Aquatic
You all need to take this more seriously. It isn't impossible. It would actually be nice if it was true, then Bush would never get elected again. They announced that it wasn't terrorism very quickly, almost too quickly. It goes to show how thorough our "intelligence" is. It was transmission lines and some accidents like tree branches and overloads in Ohio. Why did Ohio effect everyone else? Deregulation. That's right. Republicans, not Al Quaeda, are to thank. Remember that when you vote. Utilities should not be deregulated, it just doesn't make sense.
Especially when it comes to electricity. You *NEED* excess capacity but what cost cutting business is really going to stay true to that notion?
Originally posted by Frank777
Also, Toronto's very large Muslim community was huddled in the dark like everyone else. By taking credit for the event, Al Queda's making enemies even in places where they had pockets of sympathy.
Not exactly brain surgeons, are they?
They don't think twice about killing their own people (which oddly doesn't seem to effect their popularity in the Mideast), so I'm sure they could care less about how a power outage would effect Muslims.
Originally posted by jante99
If this is true it will make Bush look pretty dumb saying the black out wasn't caused by terrorist.
Not to mention his heavily funded department of homeland security.
But this claim is crap. They dodge the point of "how".
Originally posted by Aquatic:
Why did Ohio effect everyone else? Deregulation. That's right. Republicans, not Al Quaeda, are to thank. Remember that when you vote. Utilities should not be deregulated, it just doesn't make sense.
Sorry, but I don't buy the "deregulation" nonsense. As much as politicos like to think in those terms, this isn't a left vs. right issue of who gets the blame. We're all to blame and now we have to pull together and fix it.
Here in Ontario the first plants back up and running were the privately operated ones. They're saving our necks, since the gov't operated nukes take a lot longer to bring back up. They shouldn't have gone to zero output in the first place, but the plants are so poorly maintained that the operators didn't want to take the chance to running them at 50% as they are supposed to in such a situation.
The problem is a transmission grid that's old and outdated. Even the Ontario Gov't deregulation plan called for privatizing the plants, not the grid itself.
Rather than trying to score cheap points on Bush, maybe we should spend the time fguring out how to implement a 21st century grid, which allows for two way power. Homes of the future could come standard with solar cells on the roof, mini-windmills and/or heat pumps, which feed back into the grid for a rebate.
A new grid would allow the electricity companies to offer broadband internet access, bringing a new source of financing to the equation.
Also, since I've heard modern appliances can use up to 90% less electricity than 4 year old ones, maybe a rebate program can be offered to junk those inefficient ones.
Or maybe we can all just sit around and blame Bush.
Originally posted by Frank777
Also, since I've heard modern appliances can use up to 90% less electricity than 4 year old ones, maybe a rebate program can be offered to junk those inefficient ones.
Just my nagging contribution, but could it be that all the benefits of newer, more efficient appliances are getting washed out by the proliferation of newer and (presumably) more powerful home computers? Does everybody really need 2 GHz computers with videocards sucking 50 amps? ...just a rhetorical question, of course.