I wasn't using a sample of one, I was using a sample of the whole bloody country. This one and France too. So your first point ('sample of one') is out the window. See ya. You've never been to Europe (with your eyes open) have your? Factual inaccuracy.
Secondly, it was the hottest summer ever. That's "ever" as in "since records began" which I belieeeeeve to be more then 50 years. Point the second, out the window. See ya. Factual inaccuracy.
Thirdly, and I know this is the hard one for you to wrap your head around, but we have cornflakes and television and everything in Europe; we even have expensive American cars like uh BMW and Mercedes, not to mention big US industries like BP. We have a typically western high level of disposable income. We. Can. Afford. Air. Conditioning. In. Europe. Mate. Have a look at point one again. Even rich people don't use it. Mate. My mate. My matey mate. It has nothing to do with taxes because we can afford it. Matey. Mateski. We can afford AC. Mateypoo. I put it in the office mateyplops, so I know what it's like and have the phone number. Matey. Have a look at the UK edition of the Rough Guide to the US (it's a book) where it deals with AC in the states, and makes a joke at the US expense, warning that you may need a jumper in many places in the US even when stinking hot because of the odd US love for excessive (guess what) air conditioning.
Mate.
Neeeeext point to point out the cukka: you didn't address the obesity issue. And tell you what, as the gun control laws are so different from one country to the next in Yurrup, let's use the example of Switzerland where they're looser then the USA, there are more guns per head, and the US still has 900% the gun-related homicide rate of Switzerland.
CULTURAL.
DIFFERENCES.
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First of all, your are an insultive ass. You've proven nothing by using your sample of "one" to draw conclusions about the actions of others across two entire countries. Got that mate.
It also wasn't the hottest summer ever it was the hottest summer in the last 50 years.
When energy costs are low, people consider options that use electricity. When they aren't they don't. That's reality, not cultural. Got it MATE.
When I was working in Los Angeles we had numerous teacher begin teaching in our school from Spain. They came to teach in a bilingual classrooms. The level of taxation was so low they were almost besides themselves. They were constantly shipping items back to Spain so glad to avoid VAT's and things of that nature.
You've been taxed for so long in some many ways you don't know your head from your arse and just consider things as they have always been or cultural. Meanwhile the rest of the world is able to tolerate 95 degrees without worrying about the dead elderly stinking up the entire building.
This is the worst hot weather that France have face during the last centurie : for the first time of my life, i have see temperatures of more than 40 ° C in my town under shadow.
The night temperature was at 25 ° C, a record in Europe. Last year for example, the temperature was a much more cold : we have to warm our house.
Third point :
Old people are more sensitive to high temperatures than healthy ones, old peoples tend to drink less. When i was yound i used to work in a pension for old people and we "harrassed" them to make them drink. Most of these people died from deshydratation. If they had drinked sufficiently they will be still alive. Old people suffer less from thirsty than others and thus drink less.
People living in hot countries, know how to deal with this high temperatures, a lot of old french people do not. It's none of our culture.
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this drama have showed also that many french families do not care enought of their old parents : hundreds of deads corpses where not recocnized by their families, it's means hundreds of family do not care of their olds parents. This is very bad, and a shame.
Powerdoc, those temperatures were the normal WINTER temperatures where I lived in Brazil. I hate air conditioning so I never use it if I can have the windows open (not referring to the OS). In summer - add a few more degrees and a lot of rain. The water from the tap doesn't have "hot" and "cold", it has only "water" as it's confortable temperature (if you want cold, use the fridge).
Maybe doing a tv campaign DRINK A LOT OF WATER WHEN IT'S HOT OUT could have worked. I think it's not government's fault if there are dummies that don't drink water when it's 40 c outside. It's their own fault.
And I agree with the last point. It is a shame how many have forgotten they have elderly relatives or parents living (or well, dead)!
Powerdoc, those temperatures were the normal WINTER temperatures where I lived in Brazil. I hate air conditioning so I never use it if I can have the windows open (not referring to the OS). In summer - add a few more degrees and a lot of rain. The water from the tap doesn't have "hot" and "cold", it has only "water" as it's confortable temperature (if you want cold, use the fridge).
Maybe doing a tv campaign DRINK A LOT OF WATER WHEN IT'S HOT OUT could have worked. I think it's not government's fault if there are dummies that don't drink water when it's 40 c outside. It's their own fault.
And I agree with the last point. It is a shame how many have forgotten they have elderly relatives or parents living (or well, dead)!
Gosh ! i am happy to do not live in Brazil
I think you've got the right explanation : french people do not know how to deal with hot temperatures. I think that many africans peoples will have problems to deal with extremely low temperatures.
Tell me, Nick, when was the last time you actually spent any time in Europe? Because as far as I can see, the only one who can't seperate his prejudices from the easily observable truth around here is you.
I haven't been in over a decade. Your point?
And as for what you can and can't see Hassan, who cares.
When is the last time you were in So Cal Hassan? When was the last time you were obese, held up at gun point or anything else?
I know it didn't have to personally happen to you for you to draw conclusions.
So far all you have done is claim personal wealth, personal experience, and pretty much name calling have made you right.
I wasn't using a sample of one, I was using a sample of the whole bloody country. This one and France too. So your first point ('sample of one') is out the window. See ya. You've never been to Europe (with your eyes open) have your? Factual inaccuracy.
Really? You went and asked everyone in both countries? Amazing. I could have sworn you simply declared that you were rich and could have it but choose not to. You then said pretty much no one else chooses to have it as well.
Of course for them it might not be a choice, and that is the point of the thread. They may not be affluent, just dead.
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Secondly, it was the hottest summer ever. That's "ever" as in "since records began" which I belieeeeeve to be more then 50 years. Point the second, out the window. See ya. Factual inaccuracy.
Some reports called it the hottest ever, some called it the hottest since 1947. If you find something definitive post a link. I've linked to about 4 articles in this thread. You've stood around and insulted me.
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Thirdly, and I know this is the hard one for you to wrap your head around, but we have cornflakes and television and everything in Europe; we even have expensive American cars like uh BMW and Mercedes, not to mention big US industries like BP. We have a typically western high level of disposable income. We. Can. Afford. Air. Conditioning. In. Europe. Mate. Have a look at point one again. Even rich people don't use it. Mate. My mate. My matey mate. It has nothing to do with taxes because we can afford it. Matey. Mateski. We can afford AC. Mateypoo. I put it in the office mateyplops, so I know what it's like and have the phone number. Matey. Have a look at the UK edition of the Rough Guide to the US (it's a book) where it deals with AC in the states, and makes a joke at the US expense, warning that you may need a jumper in many places in the US even when stinking hot because of the odd US love for excessive (guess what) air conditioning.
We all know that you folks live in caves and hit each other on the head with sticks for entertainment. You even have the nerve to steal our great shows like Survivor, Big Brother, What Not to Wear and Changing Rooms(Trading Spaces)
Alright matey, mate, mate...
BTW you call me mate one more time and you'll have to buy me dinner and drinks.
We may have an excessive love for air conditioning, or perhaps just a large distain for stinking, rotting corpses.
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Neeeeext point to point out the cukka: you didn't address the obesity issue. And tell you what, as the gun control laws are so different from one country to the next in Yurrup, let's use the example of Switzerland where they're looser then the USA, there are more guns per head, and the US still has 900% the gun-related homicide rate of Switzerland.
Why would I address the obesity issue in a thread about air conditioning in Europe? I do try to stay on topic. You are free to use Switzerland. However you also have to know that gun laws in the United States vary as much from state to state as they do from country to country in Europe.
If you really want to get it off your chest, why don't you just compare the murder rate of the U.S. and U.K. straight up, leave out which weapon involved and just go straight to murder.
The prize of electricity is decided by the governement, i doubt that they will double the prize of electricity. It will be the best way to loose the next elections. I am sure that some french greens will be pleased to do such a thing, but they are not in power.
The cost of electricity is not the reason why there is not many AC in France, the cost of the item itself is more an argument : most people can afford an extra bill of 60 $ especially, but buying a 1500 $ item is an another issue, in a countrie where most of the time the temperature is below 30 ° C.
Anyway people died of deshydratation, not from direct heat. As Guiagara stated people don't die in this way in Brasil dispite biggests temperatures. Some old people in France do not know how to deal with such temperatures, and their familied did not helped them to do it.
I will say it a last time : the prize of electricity in France is no the reason for these deaths. Do i have to write this in blue, red and white letters ? After all we share this common value (flags color) with US
If you really want to get it off your chest, why don't you just compare the murder rate of the U.S. and U.K. straight up, leave out which weapon involved and just go straight to murder.
Overall comparative homicide rates for 1997 to 1999 (latest complete study that I found - regardless of weapon - average per year):
And as for what you can and can't see Hassan, who cares.
When is the last time you were in So Cal Hassan? When was the last time you were obese, held up at gun point or anything else?
I know it didn't have to personally happen to you for you to draw conclusions.
So far all you have done is claim personal wealth, personal experience, and pretty much name calling have made you right.
Nick
I haven't claimed personal wealth; that was Harald. And I didn't mention obesity or gun crime: that was Harald too. But yes, I am right, because I visit France once a year at least, and I know what it's like there so I'm probably better qualified on the subject than you.
However, this is very funny indeed:
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We all know that you folks live in caves and hit each other on the head with sticks for entertainment. You even have the nerve to steal our great shows like Survivor, Big Brother, What Not to Wear and Changing Rooms(Trading Spaces)
Funny because Big Brother is owned by Endemol, the Belgian television company who owns the copyright, having put it on in Holland before they sold it to the US, What Not To Wear was invented by Trinny Woodall and Suannah Constantine, named after their newspaper column in the Times, then sold to the BBC, who sold it on to America, and Changing Rooms belongs to the BBC, who then sold it on to an American production company.
And Survivor? Endemol tried to sue the production company who ripped their idea off. They lost, that's true, but still.
I will say it a last time : the prize of electricity in France is no the reason for these deaths. Do i have to write this in blue, red and white letters ? After all we share this common value (flags color) with US
I haven't claimed personal wealth; that was Harald. And I didn't mention obesity or gun crime: that was Harald too. But yes, I am right, because I visit France once a year at least, and I know what it's like there so I'm probably better qualified on the subject than you.
However, this is very funny indeed:
Funny because Big Brother is owned by Endemol, the Belgian television company who owns the copyright, having put it on in Holland before they sold it to the US, What Not To Wear was invented by Trinny Woodall and Suannah Constantine, named after their newspaper column in the Times, then sold to the BBC, who sold it on to America, and Changing Rooms belongs to the BBC, who then sold it on to an American production company.
And Survivor? Endemol tried to sue the production company who ripped their idea off. They lost, that's true, but still.
Sorry I confused you two. You Euro's all look alike.
Likewise with the television comment, I hope you realized I had my tongue firmly in cheek. (I even used a smiley) I was showing that I knew all those shows came from overseas first and thus I was making fun of the fact that many current popular American shows are in fact imports, at least the ideas were. You don't find it just a little coincidental that EVERY show I named followed the same pattern? I even typed Changing Rooms/Trading Spaces to show that I knew what the name was on the BBC instead of what it was in the U.S.
It was replying to a comment that asked if I knew there were such things as corn flakes, television, etc in Europe. I was just trying to keep a good sense of humor about it.
The prize of electricity is decided by the governement, i doubt that they will double the prize of electricity. It will be the best way to loose the next elections. I am sure that some french greens will be pleased to do such a thing, but they are not in power.
The cost of electricity is not the reason why there is not many AC in France, the cost of the item itself is more an argument : most people can afford an extra bill of 60 $ especially, but buying a 1500 $ item is an another issue, in a countrie where most of the time the temperature is below 30 ° C.
Anyway people died of deshydratation, not from direct heat. As Guiagara stated people don't die in this way in Brasil dispite biggests temperatures. Some old people in France do not know how to deal with such temperatures, and their familied did not helped them to do it.
I will say it a last time : the prize of electricity in France is no the reason for these deaths. Do i have to write this in blue, red and white letters ? After all we share this common value (flags color) with US
I appreciated your replies Power and I will say up front that your points are valid and persuasive. I would ask you though, if you were not a plastic surgeon, and instead were say a formerly lower class/blue collar worker retired on pension, would $60 still be no big deal?
Likewise why would an air conditioner cost $1500? Most window air conditioners (which would do okay in an apartment) are fairly inexpensive. Are there any sort of regulations that do not allow installation of these more inexpensive units?
I ask this because although many older folks are supposed to save, in the U.S. many of them end up with little more than Social Security. This might be $700 or so a month, but after you take out rent, groceries, etc. There really isn't much left over for say a $60 increase in utility bills.
Likewise that article did state that the tariff had been enacted and would double over the next two years. If you could add some insight to this I would appreciate it.
Likewise why would an air conditioner cost $1500? Most window air conditioners (which would do okay in an apartment) are fairly inexpensive. Are there any sort of regulations that do not allow installation of these more inexpensive units?
The open windows change the air too. Free.
I had no heating in some of my homes. Because they were old homes and heating was too expensive (to install and use). And it did snow. And I'm dead. If I'd be dead it still would not have been the price of the electricity but my own incapacity to adapt to winter weather - e.g. I could have put on more clothes. Likewise if you don't have an air conditioning, you can open the windows and drink more water. And wine does not make your life longer if you refuse to drink water when you have 110 F outside.
My point is where is Scotland and Northern Ireland?
I don't think that was your point. I think that you're trying to avoid admitting that you were wrong on the point that you were trying to make. The statistics for Scotland and Northern Ireland are often reported separately but, in any case, were on the chart to which I provided the link. Further, given that England and Wales make up about 88% of the population of the UK, the stats are not going to change very much when Scotland and Northern Ireland are added in.
But just for your convenience, I will provide the overall UK figures, based on the linked study and prorated according to the population of England and Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
Overall comparative homicide rates for 1997 to 1999 (latest complete study that I found - regardless of weapon - average per year):
I don't think that was your point. I think that you're trying to avoid admitting that you were wrong on the point that you were trying to make. The statistics for Scotland and Northern Ireland are often reported separately but, in any case, were on the chart to which I provided the link. Further, given that England and Wales make up about 88% of the population of the UK, the stats are not going to change very much when Scotland and Northern Ireland are added in.
But just for your convenience, I will provide the overall UK figures, based on the linked study and prorated according to the population of England and Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
Overall comparative homicide rates for 1997 to 1999 (latest complete study that I found - regardless of weapon - average per year):
My point is that Scotland and Northern Ireland despite having the same gun control laws have rate of homicide almost 300% higher than the U.K. If gun laws were the only factor then they would match the U.K. since they have the same laws.
Likewise you could take away EVERY gun related homicide in the United States and still have a rate about 300% higher than England.
So the point really is that guns laws are not the determining factor in these homicide rates.
Lastly, just for fun why don't you compare the violent crime rates of both countries.
Perhaps the differences for example relate to England having a fairly homogenous versus the profoundly diverse population of America, especially in the city centers.
So that is my point...thanks for helping me prove it.
My point is that Scotland and Northern Ireland despite having the same gun control laws have rate of homicide almost 300% higher than the U.K. If gun laws were the only factor then they would match the U.K. since they have the same laws.
Likewise you could take away EVERY gun related homicide in the United States and still have a rate about 300% higher than England.
So the point really is that guns laws are not the determining factor in these homicide rates.
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So that is my point...thanks for helping me prove it.
Actually, what you originally said was:
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Likewise I would say look at the overall murder rates and not just the murder w/gun rates. The U.S. does just fine.
And then you even more specifically invited a comparison:
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Originally posted by trumptman
If you really want to get it off your chest, why don't you just compare the murder rate of the U.S. and U.K. straight up, leave out which weapon involved and just go straight to murder.
I then provided you with the comparison:
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Overall comparative homicide rates for 1997 to 1999 (latest complete study that I found - regardless of weapon - average per year):
United States: 6.26 per 100,000
United Kingdom: 1.56 per 100,000
If, somehow, you think that proves your point, as you originally stated it, you have not paid sufficient attention to what you actually said.
And even within the limitations of the shifting point you are trying to make in the most recent post, you have difficulties with your percentages. The murder rate in Scotland and N. Ireland is not even close to 300% higher than the overall U.K. rate. Recheck the link that I provided you and do the math again. Meanwhile, however, the overall murder rate in the U.S. is about 300% higher than in the U.K.
Also, in your most recent post, you state that if you took away EVERY gun related homicide in the United States you would still have a rate about 300% higher than in England. Actually, according to the FBI?s Uniform Crime Reports, an astounding 69% of homicides in the United States are committed with guns (1993 to 1997 stats). Meanwhile, according to the U.K.?s National Statistics Online, only about 6% of homicides in England are committed with guns (1997 stats). If you take away gun homicides from the overall homicide statistics in each country, the rate per thousand in England is 1.36 per 100,000 and the rate in the United States is 1.94 per 100,000, which are much, much closer than you suggest.
Wow, another fine example of how a good thread zig zags away from the topic and becomes a US vs Europe conflict. It really is a good thing that we don't border each other.
The point everyone is missing (except for one other) is that other European nations within the same climates had temps as high or higher but suffered a much less severe mortality rate in consequence.
Now get back on point and address the real issue, what did the other European nations do that France failed to do?
... but they don't care when over 60% of Americans are clinically overweight and therefore die by the thousands of coronary disease and early-onset diabetes; nor do they care when Americans shoot each other by the thousand, a factor of maybe 1500% per capita then states in Europe with similar gun-ownership per capita.
(edit: the US has 800% the gun homicide rate of France; 900% of the UK. Young black Americans death rate due to guns is around 2350% of that in Europe.)
Americans have more AC in old folks home, so that's alright, and goes to show just how more compassionate the US system is to those cold-hearted Yurrupeens.
The US and EU are different; we had an incremental increase in mortality because we think AC is fairly pointless; you're feeding and shooting yourselves to death in far greater numbers then die because of the odd hot season. It's cultural.
ho ho where are you getting those figures? haha suuure they are. any industralized nation is overweight. here some of the overweight issue is due to not just fat but overworking. also when we implemented private hand gun laws crime dropped supposedly by over 200% and we've recorded the lowest crime rate in america just now since they started taking records.... but I say that supposedly... good ole AP and their lies perhaps? damn them.
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I wasn't using a sample of one, I was using a sample of the whole bloody country. This one and France too. So your first point ('sample of one') is out the window. See ya. You've never been to Europe (with your eyes open) have your? Factual inaccuracy.
Secondly, it was the hottest summer ever. That's "ever" as in "since records began" which I belieeeeeve to be more then 50 years. Point the second, out the window. See ya. Factual inaccuracy.
Thirdly, and I know this is the hard one for you to wrap your head around, but we have cornflakes and television and everything in Europe; we even have expensive American cars like uh BMW and Mercedes, not to mention big US industries like BP. We have a typically western high level of disposable income. We. Can. Afford. Air. Conditioning. In. Europe. Mate. Have a look at point one again. Even rich people don't use it. Mate. My mate. My matey mate. It has nothing to do with taxes because we can afford it. Matey. Mateski. We can afford AC. Mateypoo. I put it in the office mateyplops, so I know what it's like and have the phone number. Matey. Have a look at the UK edition of the Rough Guide to the US (it's a book) where it deals with AC in the states, and makes a joke at the US expense, warning that you may need a jumper in many places in the US even when stinking hot because of the odd US love for excessive (guess what) air conditioning.
Mate.
Neeeeext point to point out the cukka: you didn't address the obesity issue. And tell you what, as the gun control laws are so different from one country to the next in Yurrup, let's use the example of Switzerland where they're looser then the USA, there are more guns per head, and the US still has 900% the gun-related homicide rate of Switzerland.
CULTURAL.
DIFFERENCES.
Originally posted by trumptman
First of all, your are an insultive ass. You've proven nothing by using your sample of "one" to draw conclusions about the actions of others across two entire countries. Got that mate.
It also wasn't the hottest summer ever it was the hottest summer in the last 50 years.
When energy costs are low, people consider options that use electricity. When they aren't they don't. That's reality, not cultural. Got it MATE.
When I was working in Los Angeles we had numerous teacher begin teaching in our school from Spain. They came to teach in a bilingual classrooms. The level of taxation was so low they were almost besides themselves. They were constantly shipping items back to Spain so glad to avoid VAT's and things of that nature.
You've been taxed for so long in some many ways you don't know your head from your arse and just consider things as they have always been or cultural. Meanwhile the rest of the world is able to tolerate 95 degrees without worrying about the dead elderly stinking up the entire building.
Nick
Originally posted by Powerdoc
This is the worst hot weather that France have face during the last centurie : for the first time of my life, i have see temperatures of more than 40 ° C in my town under shadow.
The night temperature was at 25 ° C, a record in Europe. Last year for example, the temperature was a much more cold : we have to warm our house.
Third point :
Old people are more sensitive to high temperatures than healthy ones, old peoples tend to drink less. When i was yound i used to work in a pension for old people and we "harrassed" them to make them drink. Most of these people died from deshydratation. If they had drinked sufficiently they will be still alive. Old people suffer less from thirsty than others and thus drink less.
People living in hot countries, know how to deal with this high temperatures, a lot of old french people do not. It's none of our culture.
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this drama have showed also that many french families do not care enought of their old parents : hundreds of deads corpses where not recocnized by their families, it's means hundreds of family do not care of their olds parents. This is very bad, and a shame.
Powerdoc, those temperatures were the normal WINTER temperatures where I lived in Brazil. I hate air conditioning so I never use it if I can have the windows open (not referring to the OS). In summer - add a few more degrees and a lot of rain. The water from the tap doesn't have "hot" and "cold", it has only "water" as it's confortable temperature (if you want cold, use the fridge).
Maybe doing a tv campaign DRINK A LOT OF WATER WHEN IT'S HOT OUT could have worked. I think it's not government's fault if there are dummies that don't drink water when it's 40 c outside. It's their own fault.
And I agree with the last point. It is a shame how many have forgotten they have elderly relatives or parents living (or well, dead)!
Originally posted by Giaguara
Powerdoc, those temperatures were the normal WINTER temperatures where I lived in Brazil. I hate air conditioning so I never use it if I can have the windows open (not referring to the OS). In summer - add a few more degrees and a lot of rain. The water from the tap doesn't have "hot" and "cold", it has only "water" as it's confortable temperature (if you want cold, use the fridge).
Maybe doing a tv campaign DRINK A LOT OF WATER WHEN IT'S HOT OUT could have worked. I think it's not government's fault if there are dummies that don't drink water when it's 40 c outside. It's their own fault.
And I agree with the last point. It is a shame how many have forgotten they have elderly relatives or parents living (or well, dead)!
Gosh ! i am happy to do not live in Brazil
I think you've got the right explanation : french people do not know how to deal with hot temperatures. I think that many africans peoples will have problems to deal with extremely low temperatures.
Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
And now an expert on European culture to boot.
Tell me, Nick, when was the last time you actually spent any time in Europe? Because as far as I can see, the only one who can't seperate his prejudices from the easily observable truth around here is you.
I haven't been in over a decade. Your point?
And as for what you can and can't see Hassan, who cares.
When is the last time you were in So Cal Hassan? When was the last time you were obese, held up at gun point or anything else?
I know it didn't have to personally happen to you for you to draw conclusions.
So far all you have done is claim personal wealth, personal experience, and pretty much name calling have made you right.
Nick
Originally posted by Harald
Nick, ahem.
I wasn't using a sample of one, I was using a sample of the whole bloody country. This one and France too. So your first point ('sample of one') is out the window. See ya. You've never been to Europe (with your eyes open) have your? Factual inaccuracy.
Really? You went and asked everyone in both countries? Amazing. I could have sworn you simply declared that you were rich and could have it but choose not to. You then said pretty much no one else chooses to have it as well.
Of course for them it might not be a choice, and that is the point of the thread. They may not be affluent, just dead.
Secondly, it was the hottest summer ever. That's "ever" as in "since records began" which I belieeeeeve to be more then 50 years. Point the second, out the window. See ya. Factual inaccuracy.
Some reports called it the hottest ever, some called it the hottest since 1947. If you find something definitive post a link. I've linked to about 4 articles in this thread. You've stood around and insulted me.
Thirdly, and I know this is the hard one for you to wrap your head around, but we have cornflakes and television and everything in Europe; we even have expensive American cars like uh BMW and Mercedes, not to mention big US industries like BP. We have a typically western high level of disposable income. We. Can. Afford. Air. Conditioning. In. Europe. Mate. Have a look at point one again. Even rich people don't use it. Mate. My mate. My matey mate. It has nothing to do with taxes because we can afford it. Matey. Mateski. We can afford AC. Mateypoo. I put it in the office mateyplops, so I know what it's like and have the phone number. Matey. Have a look at the UK edition of the Rough Guide to the US (it's a book) where it deals with AC in the states, and makes a joke at the US expense, warning that you may need a jumper in many places in the US even when stinking hot because of the odd US love for excessive (guess what) air conditioning.
We all know that you folks live in caves and hit each other on the head with sticks for entertainment. You even have the nerve to steal our great shows like Survivor, Big Brother, What Not to Wear and Changing Rooms(Trading Spaces)
Alright matey, mate, mate...
BTW you call me mate one more time and you'll have to buy me dinner and drinks.
We may have an excessive love for air conditioning, or perhaps just a large distain for stinking, rotting corpses.
Neeeeext point to point out the cukka: you didn't address the obesity issue. And tell you what, as the gun control laws are so different from one country to the next in Yurrup, let's use the example of Switzerland where they're looser then the USA, there are more guns per head, and the US still has 900% the gun-related homicide rate of Switzerland.
Why would I address the obesity issue in a thread about air conditioning in Europe? I do try to stay on topic. You are free to use Switzerland. However you also have to know that gun laws in the United States vary as much from state to state as they do from country to country in Europe.
If you really want to get it off your chest, why don't you just compare the murder rate of the U.S. and U.K. straight up, leave out which weapon involved and just go straight to murder.
Nick
Wind surtax
Nick
Originally posted by trumptman
I'm sure this will encourage air conditioning use for example.
Wind surtax
Nick
The prize of electricity is decided by the governement, i doubt that they will double the prize of electricity. It will be the best way to loose the next elections. I am sure that some french greens will be pleased to do such a thing, but they are not in power.
The cost of electricity is not the reason why there is not many AC in France, the cost of the item itself is more an argument : most people can afford an extra bill of 60 $ especially, but buying a 1500 $ item is an another issue, in a countrie where most of the time the temperature is below 30 ° C.
Anyway people died of deshydratation, not from direct heat. As Guiagara stated people don't die in this way in Brasil dispite biggests temperatures. Some old people in France do not know how to deal with such temperatures, and their familied did not helped them to do it.
I will say it a last time : the prize of electricity in France is no the reason for these deaths. Do i have to write this in blue, red and white letters ? After all we share this common value (flags color) with US
Originally posted by trumptman
If you really want to get it off your chest, why don't you just compare the murder rate of the U.S. and U.K. straight up, leave out which weapon involved and just go straight to murder.
Overall comparative homicide rates for 1997 to 1999 (latest complete study that I found - regardless of weapon - average per year):
U.S.: 6.26 per 100,000
England and Wales: 1.45 per 100,000
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs/hosb601.pdf
What is your point, Trumptman?
Originally posted by trumptman
I haven't been in over a decade. Your point?
And as for what you can and can't see Hassan, who cares.
When is the last time you were in So Cal Hassan? When was the last time you were obese, held up at gun point or anything else?
I know it didn't have to personally happen to you for you to draw conclusions.
So far all you have done is claim personal wealth, personal experience, and pretty much name calling have made you right.
Nick
I haven't claimed personal wealth; that was Harald. And I didn't mention obesity or gun crime: that was Harald too. But yes, I am right, because I visit France once a year at least, and I know what it's like there so I'm probably better qualified on the subject than you.
However, this is very funny indeed:
Originally posted by trumptman
We all know that you folks live in caves and hit each other on the head with sticks for entertainment. You even have the nerve to steal our great shows like Survivor, Big Brother, What Not to Wear and Changing Rooms(Trading Spaces)
Funny because Big Brother is owned by Endemol, the Belgian television company who owns the copyright, having put it on in Holland before they sold it to the US, What Not To Wear was invented by Trinny Woodall and Suannah Constantine, named after their newspaper column in the Times, then sold to the BBC, who sold it on to America, and Changing Rooms belongs to the BBC, who then sold it on to an American production company.
And Survivor? Endemol tried to sue the production company who ripped their idea off. They lost, that's true, but still.
Originally posted by Powerdoc
I will say it a last time : the prize of electricity in France is no the reason for these deaths. Do i have to write this in blue, red and white letters ? After all we share this common value (flags color) with US
Just thought this should be repeated.
Originally posted by bunge
Just thought this should be repeated.
OK : The price of electricity is not the reason for these deaths
Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
I haven't claimed personal wealth; that was Harald. And I didn't mention obesity or gun crime: that was Harald too. But yes, I am right, because I visit France once a year at least, and I know what it's like there so I'm probably better qualified on the subject than you.
However, this is very funny indeed:
Funny because Big Brother is owned by Endemol, the Belgian television company who owns the copyright, having put it on in Holland before they sold it to the US, What Not To Wear was invented by Trinny Woodall and Suannah Constantine, named after their newspaper column in the Times, then sold to the BBC, who sold it on to America, and Changing Rooms belongs to the BBC, who then sold it on to an American production company.
And Survivor? Endemol tried to sue the production company who ripped their idea off. They lost, that's true, but still.
Sorry I confused you two. You Euro's all look alike.
Likewise with the television comment, I hope you realized I had my tongue firmly in cheek. (I even used a smiley) I was showing that I knew all those shows came from overseas first and thus I was making fun of the fact that many current popular American shows are in fact imports, at least the ideas were. You don't find it just a little coincidental that EVERY show I named followed the same pattern? I even typed Changing Rooms/Trading Spaces to show that I knew what the name was on the BBC instead of what it was in the U.S.
It was replying to a comment that asked if I knew there were such things as corn flakes, television, etc in Europe. I was just trying to keep a good sense of humor about it.
Originally posted by Powerdoc
The prize of electricity is decided by the governement, i doubt that they will double the prize of electricity. It will be the best way to loose the next elections. I am sure that some french greens will be pleased to do such a thing, but they are not in power.
The cost of electricity is not the reason why there is not many AC in France, the cost of the item itself is more an argument : most people can afford an extra bill of 60 $ especially, but buying a 1500 $ item is an another issue, in a countrie where most of the time the temperature is below 30 ° C.
Anyway people died of deshydratation, not from direct heat. As Guiagara stated people don't die in this way in Brasil dispite biggests temperatures. Some old people in France do not know how to deal with such temperatures, and their familied did not helped them to do it.
I will say it a last time : the prize of electricity in France is no the reason for these deaths. Do i have to write this in blue, red and white letters ? After all we share this common value (flags color) with US
I appreciated your replies Power and I will say up front that your points are valid and persuasive. I would ask you though, if you were not a plastic surgeon, and instead were say a formerly lower class/blue collar worker retired on pension, would $60 still be no big deal?
Likewise why would an air conditioner cost $1500? Most window air conditioners (which would do okay in an apartment) are fairly inexpensive. Are there any sort of regulations that do not allow installation of these more inexpensive units?
I ask this because although many older folks are supposed to save, in the U.S. many of them end up with little more than Social Security. This might be $700 or so a month, but after you take out rent, groceries, etc. There really isn't much left over for say a $60 increase in utility bills.
Likewise that article did state that the tariff had been enacted and would double over the next two years. If you could add some insight to this I would appreciate it.
Nick
Originally posted by Chinney
Overall comparative homicide rates for 1997 to 1999 (latest complete study that I found - regardless of weapon - average per year):
U.S.: 6.26 per 100,000
England and Wales: 1.45 per 100,000
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs/hosb601.pdf
What is your point, Trumptman?
My point is where is Scotland and Northern Ireland?
Nick
Originally posted by trumptman
Likewise why would an air conditioner cost $1500? Most window air conditioners (which would do okay in an apartment) are fairly inexpensive. Are there any sort of regulations that do not allow installation of these more inexpensive units?
The open windows change the air too. Free.
I had no heating in some of my homes. Because they were old homes and heating was too expensive (to install and use). And it did snow. And I'm dead. If I'd be dead it still would not have been the price of the electricity but my own incapacity to adapt to winter weather - e.g. I could have put on more clothes. Likewise if you don't have an air conditioning, you can open the windows and drink more water. And wine does not make your life longer if you refuse to drink water when you have 110 F outside.
Originally posted by trumptman
My point is where is Scotland and Northern Ireland?
I don't think that was your point. I think that you're trying to avoid admitting that you were wrong on the point that you were trying to make. The statistics for Scotland and Northern Ireland are often reported separately but, in any case, were on the chart to which I provided the link. Further, given that England and Wales make up about 88% of the population of the UK, the stats are not going to change very much when Scotland and Northern Ireland are added in.
But just for your convenience, I will provide the overall UK figures, based on the linked study and prorated according to the population of England and Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
Overall comparative homicide rates for 1997 to 1999 (latest complete study that I found - regardless of weapon - average per year):
United States: 6.26 per 100,000
United Kingdom: 1.56 per 100,000
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs/hosb601.pdf
And for good measure, from the same study:
Canada: 1.85 per 100,000
EU average: 1.70 per 100,00
So, once again, what is your point, Trumptman?
Originally posted by Chinney
I don't think that was your point. I think that you're trying to avoid admitting that you were wrong on the point that you were trying to make. The statistics for Scotland and Northern Ireland are often reported separately but, in any case, were on the chart to which I provided the link. Further, given that England and Wales make up about 88% of the population of the UK, the stats are not going to change very much when Scotland and Northern Ireland are added in.
But just for your convenience, I will provide the overall UK figures, based on the linked study and prorated according to the population of England and Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
Overall comparative homicide rates for 1997 to 1999 (latest complete study that I found - regardless of weapon - average per year):
United States: 6.26 per 100,000
United Kingdom: 1.56 per 100,000
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs/hosb601.pdf
And for good measure, from the same study:
Canada: 1.85 per 100,000
EU average: 1.70 per 100,00
So, once again, what is your point, Trumptman?
My point is that Scotland and Northern Ireland despite having the same gun control laws have rate of homicide almost 300% higher than the U.K. If gun laws were the only factor then they would match the U.K. since they have the same laws.
Likewise you could take away EVERY gun related homicide in the United States and still have a rate about 300% higher than England.
So the point really is that guns laws are not the determining factor in these homicide rates.
Lastly, just for fun why don't you compare the violent crime rates of both countries.
Perhaps the differences for example relate to England having a fairly homogenous versus the profoundly diverse population of America, especially in the city centers.
So that is my point...thanks for helping me prove it.
Nick
Originally posted by trumptman
My point is that Scotland and Northern Ireland despite having the same gun control laws have rate of homicide almost 300% higher than the U.K. If gun laws were the only factor then they would match the U.K. since they have the same laws.
Likewise you could take away EVERY gun related homicide in the United States and still have a rate about 300% higher than England.
So the point really is that guns laws are not the determining factor in these homicide rates.
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So that is my point...thanks for helping me prove it.
Actually, what you originally said was:
Originally posted by trumptman
Likewise I would say look at the overall murder rates and not just the murder w/gun rates. The U.S. does just fine.
And then you even more specifically invited a comparison:
Originally posted by trumptman
If you really want to get it off your chest, why don't you just compare the murder rate of the U.S. and U.K. straight up, leave out which weapon involved and just go straight to murder.
I then provided you with the comparison:
Originally posted by Chinney
Overall comparative homicide rates for 1997 to 1999 (latest complete study that I found - regardless of weapon - average per year):
United States: 6.26 per 100,000
United Kingdom: 1.56 per 100,000
If, somehow, you think that proves your point, as you originally stated it, you have not paid sufficient attention to what you actually said.
And even within the limitations of the shifting point you are trying to make in the most recent post, you have difficulties with your percentages. The murder rate in Scotland and N. Ireland is not even close to 300% higher than the overall U.K. rate. Recheck the link that I provided you and do the math again. Meanwhile, however, the overall murder rate in the U.S. is about 300% higher than in the U.K.
Also, in your most recent post, you state that if you took away EVERY gun related homicide in the United States you would still have a rate about 300% higher than in England. Actually, according to the FBI?s Uniform Crime Reports, an astounding 69% of homicides in the United States are committed with guns (1993 to 1997 stats). Meanwhile, according to the U.K.?s National Statistics Online, only about 6% of homicides in England are committed with guns (1997 stats). If you take away gun homicides from the overall homicide statistics in each country, the rate per thousand in England is 1.36 per 100,000 and the rate in the United States is 1.94 per 100,000, which are much, much closer than you suggest.
There are problems with your post, Trumptman.
[Edited to remove personal attacks: Chinney]
The point everyone is missing (except for one other) is that other European nations within the same climates had temps as high or higher but suffered a much less severe mortality rate in consequence.
Now get back on point and address the real issue, what did the other European nations do that France failed to do?
Originally posted by Harald
... but they don't care when over 60% of Americans are clinically overweight and therefore die by the thousands of coronary disease and early-onset diabetes; nor do they care when Americans shoot each other by the thousand, a factor of maybe 1500% per capita then states in Europe with similar gun-ownership per capita.
(edit: the US has 800% the gun homicide rate of France; 900% of the UK. Young black Americans death rate due to guns is around 2350% of that in Europe.)
Americans have more AC in old folks home, so that's alright, and goes to show just how more compassionate the US system is to those cold-hearted Yurrupeens.
The US and EU are different; we had an incremental increase in mortality because we think AC is fairly pointless; you're feeding and shooting yourselves to death in far greater numbers then die because of the odd hot season. It's cultural.
ho ho where are you getting those figures? haha suuure they are. any industralized nation is overweight. here some of the overweight issue is due to not just fat but overworking. also when we implemented private hand gun laws crime dropped supposedly by over 200% and we've recorded the lowest crime rate in america just now since they started taking records.... but I say that supposedly... good ole AP and their lies perhaps? damn them.