If you think that moderately "liberal" views along the Democrat party line qualify as dissent, then you need to do some research. As far as I can tell, Fox is merely a news network with a mildly conservative slant. Most news networks have mildly liberal slants.
Fox News is a tabloidy, flashy cable news channel built around the personalities of its opinionated, idiosyncratic commentators. Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity et al. are not mild conservatives by any means (which means they are not "moderates"). It's not journalism. People turn to CNN for that, and then change the channel to Fox during Primetime. Regardless of whether Fox trounces CNN in the ratings, CNN still makes more money.
Fox News is a tabloidy, flashy cable news channel built around the personalities of its opinionated, idiosyncratic commentators. Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity et al. are not mild conservatives by any means (which means they are not "moderates"). It's not journalism. People turn to CNN for that, and then change the channel to Fox during Primetime. Regardless of whether Fox trounces CNN in the ratings, CNN still makes more money.
Quite frankly, I think CNN is very similar to Fox aside from the leanings. CNN has some pretty intense personalities too (CNN's entire rise came from the use of opinionated personalities), and neither network is particularly adept at good journalism, since that requires multiple viewpoints. So if you're truly concerned with all that you speak of, you should watch both. Otherwise, just subscribe to the Times and the WSJ. In these you'll do yourself a lot better anyway.
And, sir, hardline conservatives are the kind you'll find in Singapore. Nobody on the Fox network is even close to that. And likewise, Larry King et al isn't what I'd call a hardline liberal, though he's a pretty dedicated dem.
Quite frankly, I think CNN is very similar to Fox aside from the leanings. CNN has some pretty intense personalities too (CNN's entire rise came from the use of opinionated personalities)
I can't remember ever seeing people on CNN yelling at one another. I can't turn on FOX or MSNBC for 5 minutes without seeing a host yelling into the camera or to a guest. That's a BIG difference.
Quite frankly, I think CNN is very similar to Fox aside from the leanings. CNN has some pretty intense personalities too (CNN's entire rise came from the use of opinionated personalities), and neither network is particularly adept at good journalism, since that requires multiple viewpoints. So if you're truly concerned with all that you speak of, you should watch both. Otherwise, just subscribe to the Times and the WSJ. In these you'll do yourself a lot better anyway.
And, sir, hardline conservatives are the kind you'll find in Singapore. Nobody on the Fox network is even close to that. And likewise, Larry King et al isn't what I'd call a hardline liberal, though he's a pretty dedicated dem.
I believe you should get your news channels straight. CNN's "entire rise" came from newscast after newscast of...you guessed it...news. CNN's philosophy was (paraphrased) "let the news be the star." It was only recently that CNN centered shows around personalities rather than broadcast endless newscast after newscast.
But now, CNN is backing away from the FNC style. (FNC's entire rise came from the use of opinionated personalities). Now, CNN is trying to make the news the star again by getting away from the tabloidy, flashy style of FNC. CNN realized that they still make more money than FNC... so why imitate the flashy newcomer? The channel is getting back to basics, and that's a good thing.
Of course, I no longer watch either channel on a regular basis.
Fox News is a tabloidy, flashy cable news channel built around the personalities of its opinionated, idiosyncratic commentators. Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity et al. are not mild conservatives by any means (which means they are not "moderates").
Funny thing is that a lot of conservatives can't stand O'Reilly either. My grandmother who is as conservative as any loving and intelligent person can get despises O'Reilly. Myself I just think he is great comedy, but then again I watch his show mayve once every 2 years.
I think so... California is a pretty down the middle state... leans a bit democrat... There's a chance that a recall could go through but that Bustamante would win.
The republican's have to swing alot of moderate democrats to their side in order to win.
I think so... California is a pretty down the middle state... leans a bit democrat... There's a chance that a recall could go through but that Bustamante would win.
The republican's have to swing alot of moderate democrats to their side in order to win.
Ahahahahahaha, ahahahahahah (wipes tears away)
Down the middle.... down the middle... Repubilcans don't hold a single office in the executive branch and the Democrats needs about 3 Republican votes to get to 67% and pass budgets. That means both houses are about 63-64% Democratic.
Yeah, that's "leaning" just a little Democratic.
We now take you back to Texas, a down the middle state that just leans a bit Republican.
I can't remember ever seeing people on CNN yelling at one another. I can't turn on FOX or MSNBC for 5 minutes without seeing a host yelling into the camera or to a guest. That's a BIG difference.
Really? I remember this show called Crossfire. I believe yelling at one another was pretty much the entire point. James Carville, Bill Press, Paul Begala...any of these names ring a bell? Two of the three were basically Clinton's rhetorical hit men. (Because the best way to be compassionate toward sexual harassment is to call the woman who comes forward trailer trash on national TV!)
Carville does nothing but yell, the man can barely even put a sentence together.
Really? I remember this show called Crossfire. I believe yelling at one another was pretty much the entire point. James Carville, Bill Press, Paul Begala...any of these names ring a bell? Two of the three were basically Clinton's rhetorical hit men. (Because the best way to be compassionate toward sexual harassment is to call the woman who comes forward trailer trash on national TV!)
Carville does nothing but yell, the man can barely even put a sentence together.
Nick
Funny. I remember Crossfire from the time Pat Buchanan was co-host along with a clean cut democrat. It was hart hitting but I never heard yelling.
I wasn't saying the liberals don't yell... everyone yells... that seems to be the show now... everyone yells to entertain.
My point was that Joe Conason wants to change that... he wants to have truthful and respectful debate... he is consistent in the way he treats everyone... how can we learn anything if everyone yells and never gets to make their point.
Ok... maybe I was wrong... I've never thought of California as being super Democrat... Massachusetts and New York maybe but... those states have been moving to the middle. So maybe it's even less likely than I thought that Arny could win.
I believe you should get your news channels straight. CNN's "entire rise" came from newscast after newscast of...you guessed it...news. CNN's philosophy was (paraphrased) "let the news be the star." It was only recently that CNN centered shows around personalities rather than broadcast endless newscast after newscast.
But now, CNN is backing away from the FNC style. (FNC's entire rise came from the use of opinionated personalities). Now, CNN is trying to make the news the star again by getting away from the tabloidy, flashy style of FNC. CNN realized that they still make more money than FNC... so why imitate the flashy newcomer? The channel is getting back to basics, and that's a good thing.
Of course, I no longer watch either channel on a regular basis.
Really I thought it's rise came from being packaged with all the other Turner channels on cable and killing off all competition by threatening to pull TNT, TNN, TCM, etc. if any other news channels were added. This is what worked for years to keep all the other news channels off the air.
I remember this because even when Fox overtook CNN on the ratings for particular news coverage events, CNN would still trumpet that they had more total viewers on that even since Fox wasn't in certain markets yet. (More like couldn't get in thanks to Turner channels being a package deal)
Likewise you call Larry King Live hard news? He can't call his show a "No Spin" zone because it is the softball zone. He puts on everyone and tosses them softball questions.
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Originally posted by chu_bakka
I guess if one identifies themselves as a religious fanatic the one opens onesself up to ridicule.
All fanatics deserve ridicule.
Originally posted by Splinemodel
If you think that moderately "liberal" views along the Democrat party line qualify as dissent, then you need to do some research. As far as I can tell, Fox is merely a news network with a mildly conservative slant. Most news networks have mildly liberal slants.
Fox News is a tabloidy, flashy cable news channel built around the personalities of its opinionated, idiosyncratic commentators. Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity et al. are not mild conservatives by any means (which means they are not "moderates"). It's not journalism. People turn to CNN for that, and then change the channel to Fox during Primetime. Regardless of whether Fox trounces CNN in the ratings, CNN still makes more money.
Originally posted by ShawnJ
Fox News is a tabloidy, flashy cable news channel built around the personalities of its opinionated, idiosyncratic commentators. Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity et al. are not mild conservatives by any means (which means they are not "moderates"). It's not journalism. People turn to CNN for that, and then change the channel to Fox during Primetime. Regardless of whether Fox trounces CNN in the ratings, CNN still makes more money.
Quite frankly, I think CNN is very similar to Fox aside from the leanings. CNN has some pretty intense personalities too (CNN's entire rise came from the use of opinionated personalities), and neither network is particularly adept at good journalism, since that requires multiple viewpoints. So if you're truly concerned with all that you speak of, you should watch both. Otherwise, just subscribe to the Times and the WSJ. In these you'll do yourself a lot better anyway.
And, sir, hardline conservatives are the kind you'll find in Singapore. Nobody on the Fox network is even close to that. And likewise, Larry King et al isn't what I'd call a hardline liberal, though he's a pretty dedicated dem.
Originally posted by Splinemodel
Quite frankly, I think CNN is very similar to Fox aside from the leanings. CNN has some pretty intense personalities too (CNN's entire rise came from the use of opinionated personalities)
I can't remember ever seeing people on CNN yelling at one another. I can't turn on FOX or MSNBC for 5 minutes without seeing a host yelling into the camera or to a guest. That's a BIG difference.
Originally posted by Splinemodel
Quite frankly, I think CNN is very similar to Fox aside from the leanings. CNN has some pretty intense personalities too (CNN's entire rise came from the use of opinionated personalities), and neither network is particularly adept at good journalism, since that requires multiple viewpoints. So if you're truly concerned with all that you speak of, you should watch both. Otherwise, just subscribe to the Times and the WSJ. In these you'll do yourself a lot better anyway.
And, sir, hardline conservatives are the kind you'll find in Singapore. Nobody on the Fox network is even close to that. And likewise, Larry King et al isn't what I'd call a hardline liberal, though he's a pretty dedicated dem.
I believe you should get your news channels straight. CNN's "entire rise" came from newscast after newscast of...you guessed it...news. CNN's philosophy was (paraphrased) "let the news be the star." It was only recently that CNN centered shows around personalities rather than broadcast endless newscast after newscast.
But now, CNN is backing away from the FNC style. (FNC's entire rise came from the use of opinionated personalities). Now, CNN is trying to make the news the star again by getting away from the tabloidy, flashy style of FNC. CNN realized that they still make more money than FNC... so why imitate the flashy newcomer? The channel is getting back to basics, and that's a good thing.
Of course, I no longer watch either channel on a regular basis.
Originally posted by SDW2001
Show me which one I violate.
I know you apologized and I accepted it but there was that male body part description..................just as an example there have been others.
Sorry to bring that up again but if it can't come back and bite you in the butt what possible good can come from it?
Originally posted by jimmac
I know you apologized and I accepted it but there was that male body part description..................just as an example there have been others.
Sorry to bring that up again but if it can't come back and bite you in the butt what possible good can come from it?
No more speaking of male body parts biting SDW's butt.
originallly posted by ShawnJ
Fox News is a tabloidy, flashy cable news channel built around the personalities of its opinionated, idiosyncratic commentators. Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity et al. are not mild conservatives by any means (which means they are not "moderates").
Funny thing is that a lot of conservatives can't stand O'Reilly either. My grandmother who is as conservative as any loving and intelligent person can get despises O'Reilly. Myself I just think he is great comedy, but then again I watch his show mayve once every 2 years.
And now a recall is at about 50% for and 48% against.
Gray may actually keep his job.
If 51% decides to for the recall and the winning candidate gets 12-15% the recall still stands?
The republican's have to swing alot of moderate democrats to their side in order to win.
Originally posted by chu_bakka
I think so... California is a pretty down the middle state... leans a bit democrat... There's a chance that a recall could go through but that Bustamante would win.
The republican's have to swing alot of moderate democrats to their side in order to win.
Ahahahahahaha, ahahahahahah (wipes tears away)
Down the middle.... down the middle... Repubilcans don't hold a single office in the executive branch and the Democrats needs about 3 Republican votes to get to 67% and pass budgets. That means both houses are about 63-64% Democratic.
Yeah, that's "leaning" just a little Democratic.
We now take you back to Texas, a down the middle state that just leans a bit Republican.
Nick
Originally posted by giant
I can't remember ever seeing people on CNN yelling at one another. I can't turn on FOX or MSNBC for 5 minutes without seeing a host yelling into the camera or to a guest. That's a BIG difference.
Really? I remember this show called Crossfire. I believe yelling at one another was pretty much the entire point. James Carville, Bill Press, Paul Begala...any of these names ring a bell? Two of the three were basically Clinton's rhetorical hit men. (Because the best way to be compassionate toward sexual harassment is to call the woman who comes forward trailer trash on national TV!)
Carville does nothing but yell, the man can barely even put a sentence together.
Nick
Originally posted by trumptman
Really? I remember this show called Crossfire. I believe yelling at one another was pretty much the entire point. James Carville, Bill Press, Paul Begala...any of these names ring a bell? Two of the three were basically Clinton's rhetorical hit men. (Because the best way to be compassionate toward sexual harassment is to call the woman who comes forward trailer trash on national TV!)
Carville does nothing but yell, the man can barely even put a sentence together.
Nick
Funny. I remember Crossfire from the time Pat Buchanan was co-host along with a clean cut democrat. It was hart hitting but I never heard yelling.
My point was that Joe Conason wants to change that... he wants to have truthful and respectful debate... he is consistent in the way he treats everyone... how can we learn anything if everyone yells and never gets to make their point.
Ok... maybe I was wrong... I've never thought of California as being super Democrat... Massachusetts and New York maybe but... those states have been moving to the middle. So maybe it's even less likely than I thought that Arny could win.
Originally posted by ShawnJ
I believe you should get your news channels straight. CNN's "entire rise" came from newscast after newscast of...you guessed it...news. CNN's philosophy was (paraphrased) "let the news be the star." It was only recently that CNN centered shows around personalities rather than broadcast endless newscast after newscast.
But now, CNN is backing away from the FNC style. (FNC's entire rise came from the use of opinionated personalities). Now, CNN is trying to make the news the star again by getting away from the tabloidy, flashy style of FNC. CNN realized that they still make more money than FNC... so why imitate the flashy newcomer? The channel is getting back to basics, and that's a good thing.
Of course, I no longer watch either channel on a regular basis.
Really I thought it's rise came from being packaged with all the other Turner channels on cable and killing off all competition by threatening to pull TNT, TNN, TCM, etc. if any other news channels were added. This is what worked for years to keep all the other news channels off the air.
I remember this because even when Fox overtook CNN on the ratings for particular news coverage events, CNN would still trumpet that they had more total viewers on that even since Fox wasn't in certain markets yet. (More like couldn't get in thanks to Turner channels being a package deal)
Likewise you call Larry King Live hard news? He can't call his show a "No Spin" zone because it is the softball zone. He puts on everyone and tosses them softball questions.
Nick