dont hold your breath for a 970 Powerbook anytime soon, let alone a desktop.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I wouldn't hold my breat either for a desktop, 6 months is just too long for me, I can hold only for about a minute and half. So I'd be dead if I held my breath for the 970 release in 6 months
I wouldn't hold my breat either for a desktop, 6 months is just too long for me, I can hold only for about a minute and half. So I'd be dead if I held my breath for the 970 release in 6 months </strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm afraid the SWITCHERS campaign may gradually work in reverse if Apple does not release their processor plans soon. How patient are we expected to be if we don't see real evidence that Apple can stay competetive? I know they are famous for keeping future info quiet, but in this case they should reconsider. My hope is that the very reason they've released no info is that new machines are just around the corner ('03) and they figure we will all hold out till then. Perhaps Hans Blix should be reassigned to inspect cupertino offices :-)
<strong>I'm afraid the SWITCHERS campaign may gradually work in reverse if Apple does not release their processor plans soon. How patient are we expected to be if we don't see real evidence that Apple can stay competetive? I know they are famous for keeping future info quiet, but in this case they should reconsider. My hope is that the very reason they've released no info is that new machines are just around the corner ('03) and they figure we will all hold out till then. Perhaps Hans Blix should be reassigned to inspect cupertino offices :-)</strong><hr></blockquote>
The Switcher campaign isn't based on Apple having high performance computers, its about Apple having solid, reliable, usable computers.
For those that do care about machine performance you should first of all recognize that roadmaps are vapourware. Plans, and plans are subject to change. Having said that, however, by looking at what IBM's roadmap is we get a pretty good idea of what Apple's looks like. 970 this year, 970+ next year, 980 possibly late 2004 but more likely 2005, 990 after that. The 970 is POWER4 technology, 970+ is the same but process shrunk to 0.09, the 980 is POWER5, and the 990 is POWER6. IBM is renowned for offering stable solutions with a long term future -- look at their influence in the business market and the fact that they've been in business longer than most of us have been alive.
Sooner as in by WWDC? Yes? No?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes. If Apple plans the 970 before the next WWDC (2004) then it's a good bet they will let developers know sooner rather than later. Remember they did the same thing with multi-proc systems.
I think G3 did since clones already had shipping G3 machines
G4, the 400 actually got out pretty quickly, within a week or 2 and even some 450s got out within 3 weeks..... once they bumped them down to 350, 400, 450 supply was even better (for obvious unfortunate reasons)
[quote]So how do we find out how many of the 970's IBM is actuallly producing, and when production began. It shouldn't be a secret considering that they announced that they already exist. How many of them do you think Apple needs? 100,000? How many can they make a day? This is all about production obviously, but someone has to know.
I wonder. Could a WWDC-Macworld New York annoucement be on the cards?
Lemon Bon Bon
(Getting out the table polish and duster...)
PS. Don't spill anymore beans, Trans. Be careful. We don't want you on the wrong end of the Apple Mafioso.
HMMM. A question for you CPU archivists. Just how long is the LONGEST Apple has held onto any one CPU in their towers..? Surely the G4 is in contention for the 'sticking like sh*t to a stick' award?
<strong>Having said that, however, by looking at what IBM's roadmap is we get a pretty good idea of what Apple's looks like. 970 this year, 970+ next year, 980 possibly late 2004 but more likely 2005, 990 after that. The 970 is POWER4 technology, 970+ is the same but process shrunk to 0.09, the 980 is POWER5, and the 990 is POWER6.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm sorry, but where do you find a roadmap that specific. The only one I can find is a very vague slide and makes absolutely no mention of product names.
<strong>Yes. If Apple plans the 970 before the next WWDC (2004) then it's a good bet they will let developers know sooner rather than later. Remember they did the same thing with multi-proc systems.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Two things. 1) The question was directed at Transcendental Octothorpe who claims to actually know, and 2) the next WWDC is this year, not next.
I wonder. Could a WWDC-Macworld New York annoucement be on the cards?</strong><hr></blockquote>
If memory serves me, once apple decided it wouldn't remove OS9 from all systems in January (which it announced it would do, and new machines were introduced in January) didn't they say that OS9 would ship on that one configuration until July?
If so, that says to me that there will be new machines shipping in July, and based on the current prices I believe this is the end of the line for the current systems.
Seems to me the 970 will be here earlier than the fall.
<strong>I'm sorry, but where do you find a roadmap that specific. The only one I can find is a very vague slide and makes absolutely no mention of product names.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, you see, that's the thing. IBM doesn't paint the roadlines on a single chart for you to see with ease. There have been a few press releases and "official statements" about the POWER5 and POWER6, and seperate ones about how the 970 is the first of a line of processors, another one mentioned 980 and 990, etc. Just because they don't spell it out for you and handhold you through reading it doesn't mean it isn't straightforward, however.
<strong>If memory serves me, once apple decided it wouldn't remove OS9 from all systems in January (which it announced it would do, and new machines were introduced in January) didn't they say that OS9 would ship on that one configuration until July?
If so, that says to me that there will be new machines shipping in July, and based on the current prices I believe this is the end of the line for the current systems.
Seems to me the 970 will be here earlier than the fall.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think that has a lot more to do with when Quark6 arrives than with when Apple releases new hardware.
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<a href="http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpapers/pdfs/redp0195.pdf"; target="_blank">http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpapers/pdfs/redp0195.pdf</a>;
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No, he just reads too many rumours. Is it what he is paid for?</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, it was his weblog.
<strong>A PDF to go through and see if this POWER4+ is actually the PPC970...
<a href="http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpapers/pdfs/redp0195.pdf"; target="_blank">http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpapers/pdfs/redp0195.pdf</a></strong><hr></blockquote>;
It's not. the Power4+ is a die shrunk Power4 with improved L2 cache.
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dont hold your breath for a 970 Powerbook anytime soon, let alone a desktop.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I wouldn't hold my breat either for a desktop, 6 months is just too long for me, I can hold only for about a minute and half. So I'd be dead if I held my breath for the 970 release in 6 months
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I wouldn't hold my breat either for a desktop, 6 months is just too long for me, I can hold only for about a minute and half. So I'd be dead if I held my breath for the 970 release in 6 months
Smart ass!
;^p
<strong>Well, I do know both answers, but I can't really say more than I already have.
I have been pretty optimistic that I will be able to fufill my sig sooner than later.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Sooner as in by WWDC? Yes? No?
Not that this means anything either way for the PowerMac 970 launch to shipping lag.
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<strong>I'm afraid the SWITCHERS campaign may gradually work in reverse if Apple does not release their processor plans soon. How patient are we expected to be if we don't see real evidence that Apple can stay competetive? I know they are famous for keeping future info quiet, but in this case they should reconsider. My hope is that the very reason they've released no info is that new machines are just around the corner ('03) and they figure we will all hold out till then. Perhaps Hans Blix should be reassigned to inspect cupertino offices :-)</strong><hr></blockquote>
The Switcher campaign isn't based on Apple having high performance computers, its about Apple having solid, reliable, usable computers.
For those that do care about machine performance you should first of all recognize that roadmaps are vapourware. Plans, and plans are subject to change. Having said that, however, by looking at what IBM's roadmap is we get a pretty good idea of what Apple's looks like. 970 this year, 970+ next year, 980 possibly late 2004 but more likely 2005, 990 after that. The 970 is POWER4 technology, 970+ is the same but process shrunk to 0.09, the 980 is POWER5, and the 990 is POWER6. IBM is renowned for offering stable solutions with a long term future -- look at their influence in the business market and the fact that they've been in business longer than most of us have been alive.
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Sooner as in by WWDC? Yes? No?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes. If Apple plans the 970 before the next WWDC (2004) then it's a good bet they will let developers know sooner rather than later. Remember they did the same thing with multi-proc systems.
<strong>Out of interest, did the G3 and G4 PowerMacs ship immediately once announced?
Not that this means anything either way for the PowerMac 970 launch to shipping lag.
[ 02-21-2003: Message edited by: Stoo ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think G3 did since clones already had shipping G3 machines
G4, the 400 actually got out pretty quickly, within a week or 2 and even some 450s got out within 3 weeks..... once they bumped them down to 350, 400, 450 supply was even better (for obvious unfortunate reasons)
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Well, I do know both answers, but I can't really say more than I already have.
I have been pretty optimistic that I will be able to fufill my sig sooner than later.
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Where's my raised eyebrow smiley?
Hmmm. Trans knows how many Apple needs and how many IBM are producing a day.
<img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" />
I wonder. Could a WWDC-Macworld New York annoucement be on the cards?
Lemon Bon Bon
(Getting out the table polish and duster...)
PS. Don't spill anymore beans, Trans. Be careful. We don't want you on the wrong end of the Apple Mafioso.
HMMM. A question for you CPU archivists. Just how long is the LONGEST Apple has held onto any one CPU in their towers..? Surely the G4 is in contention for the 'sticking like sh*t to a stick' award?
[ 02-22-2003: Message edited by: Lemon Bon Bon ]
[ 02-22-2003: Message edited by: Lemon Bon Bon ]</p>
<strong>Having said that, however, by looking at what IBM's roadmap is we get a pretty good idea of what Apple's looks like. 970 this year, 970+ next year, 980 possibly late 2004 but more likely 2005, 990 after that. The 970 is POWER4 technology, 970+ is the same but process shrunk to 0.09, the 980 is POWER5, and the 990 is POWER6.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm sorry, but where do you find a roadmap that specific. The only one I can find is a very vague slide and makes absolutely no mention of product names.
<strong>Yes. If Apple plans the 970 before the next WWDC (2004) then it's a good bet they will let developers know sooner rather than later. Remember they did the same thing with multi-proc systems.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Two things. 1) The question was directed at Transcendental Octothorpe who claims to actually know, and 2) the next WWDC is this year, not next.
<a href="http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/"; target="_blank">http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/</a>;
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I wonder. Could a WWDC-Macworld New York annoucement be on the cards?</strong><hr></blockquote>
If memory serves me, once apple decided it wouldn't remove OS9 from all systems in January (which it announced it would do, and new machines were introduced in January) didn't they say that OS9 would ship on that one configuration until July?
If so, that says to me that there will be new machines shipping in July, and based on the current prices I believe this is the end of the line for the current systems.
Seems to me the 970 will be here earlier than the fall.
<strong>I'm sorry, but where do you find a roadmap that specific. The only one I can find is a very vague slide and makes absolutely no mention of product names.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, you see, that's the thing. IBM doesn't paint the roadlines on a single chart for you to see with ease. There have been a few press releases and "official statements" about the POWER5 and POWER6, and seperate ones about how the 970 is the first of a line of processors, another one mentioned 980 and 990, etc. Just because they don't spell it out for you and handhold you through reading it doesn't mean it isn't straightforward, however.
<strong>If memory serves me, once apple decided it wouldn't remove OS9 from all systems in January (which it announced it would do, and new machines were introduced in January) didn't they say that OS9 would ship on that one configuration until July?
If so, that says to me that there will be new machines shipping in July, and based on the current prices I believe this is the end of the line for the current systems.
Seems to me the 970 will be here earlier than the fall.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think that has a lot more to do with when Quark6 arrives than with when Apple releases new hardware.
Lot's of folks are moving to InDesign and liking it just fine.
It seems dubious to me that Apple would be holding up the progression of it's towers and OS plans just for Quark.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
<strong>Would Apple really hold onto 9 just for Quark?
Lot's of folks are moving to InDesign and liking it just fine.
It seems dubious to me that Apple would be holding up the progression of it's towers and OS plans just for Quark.
Correct me if I'm wrong.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Keeping one slightly older machine in production for an extra 6 months isn't exactly "holding up" anything.