Fake? With all the corporate logos and TMs everywhere? Someone is gonna get a cease and desist soon then. Companies don't like it when you use their logos for non artistic reasons. That presentation is not artistic but uses the name and logo in a buisness setting. They are stupid if it's a fake because a site is using it as if it's real.
Look at applle.com as an example. They don't use the Apple logo, they made their own as to avoid legal issues.
<strong>Why would Apple WANT the corporate user?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Oh, I don't know...marketshare!
[quote]Originally posted by Tik:
<strong>...but then again, that leaves you with more time for f***ing your girlfriend.
You do have a girlfriend, right?</strong><hr></blockquote>
A wife and 2 kids actually! And what in the world does any of this have to do with business PCs, you know the ones that are bought, used for a couple years, and then new ones are bought? Again, marketshare.
If you don't understand such simple things, find a hobby like gardening or ant farming.
<strong>Fake? With all the corporate logos and TMs everywhere? Someone is gonna get a cease and desist soon then. Companies don't like it when you use their logos for non artistic reasons. That presentation is not artistic but uses the name and logo in a buisness setting. They are stupid if it's a fake because a site is using it as if it's real.
Look at applle.com as an example. They don't use the Apple logo, they made their own as to avoid legal issues.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Then stupid this artist is. This info sheet made the rounds of gaming sites a week or two ago and was declared to be a fake. Also, to my eyes the console itself looks like a render and I can't think of Nintendo ever showing off a render of a console rather than a physical prototype.
Doing CGI renders of products is a good idea because:
A. The product looks clear.
B. There is no bad white balance, etc.
C. You can put the lights/camera anywhere.
But if the product looks completely unforgivably ugly in real life, and the CGI looks beautiful... <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" />
This VSP aspect to Apple's next chipset sounds exciting. An extra dimension to their hardware. iLife gets some hardware acceleration for sound, graphics, video et al. This could give PPC systems a real edge over x86 systems. A bit like the chipset goodies the old Amiga had over the Atari ST all those moons ago. It gives your machine that much more...personality, I'd call it... I'd like to think that Apple has put something of themselves into their next chipset. They need a compelling arguement for digital creators and for market share growth. It would be a bit of a let down if we weren't hearing talk of things like VSP. Apple would be missing an opportunity there... This is the chance to really put the boot into Intels long and narrow vs PPC's short and wide philosophy.
Given the care with which Jobs and Co. have navigated the developer, design, software, OS and retail requirements of the 'new' Apple...we even have the latest games! I would have thought that Jobs would be firing shotgun both barrels squarely at the performance issues...and is in line with this being something that's been in the works for almost four years. ie just after he came back to power at Apple. ie something they wanted to get just right. It would be uncharacteristic considering all the other pieces in the puzzle.
Tantalizing.
I'd hope for something...some morsel to come from the the WWDC. It's eerie, but we're hearing absoutely nothing about 'X'.3!!! Talk about pluggin' the leaks with silicon!
I think Apple could stand to lose a couple of months worth of lost sales. Sooner of later, Apple are going to have to bite the bullet and announce the 970/next plateau of PPC performance...and when they do...I'm guessing they'll have a 'bit' of G4 'power'Mac inventory on their hands.
(Heck, sales dry up a couple of months in the run up to an Expo like Macworld New York anyhow, huh?)
A wife and 2 kids actually! And what in the world does any of this have to do with business PCs, you know the ones that are bought, used for a couple years, and then new ones are bought? Again, marketshare.
If you don't understand such simple things, find a hobby like gardening or ant farming.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yup.
Dell gets 15% of it's revenues from it's Home division. That leaves 85% for it's Business division. Gateway gets almost all it's revenues from Home users. Look where it's at now.
Then stupid this artist is. This info sheet made the rounds of gaming sites a week or two ago and was declared to be a fake. Also, to my eyes the console itself looks like a render and I can't think of Nintendo ever showing off a render of a console rather than a physical prototype.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No doubt it's cgi, hell the majority of Apple's stuff is, go look at the press photos. He better hope Neintendo can't trace it back to him, we all know what Apple would do.
What I was repeating over on Ars was simply the persistent rumour (from several independent sources now) that Apple's next chipset will include a few vector signal processors. There is no other information about them, no indication about which team designed them (although the Raycer guys might be obvious candidates), and no information about what they'd be used for. Given what is generally known about VSPs in other hardware, however, it is likely that these would be useful for 3D graphics, 2D graphics, video compression/decompression, audio processing, and potentially some scientific applications (a la Apple's vDSP library). In Apple's current machines these things would make a lot of sense since the G4s can only use 1.3 GB/sec of bandwidth but the chipset has access to closer to 2.7 GB/sec thanks to the DDR333. To put such a thing into a 970-based machine implies to me that they must be fairly fast VSPs otherwise it wouldn't be worth the effort and cost.</strong><hr></blockquote>
<wild speculation mode>
In a way it sounds kinda likely that ALL future macs will have something like this, and that OS X will depend heavily on it. That would help protect apple from illegal "cloning". Bear in mind that,depending on IBM's plans for the 970 of course, it MIGHT soon be possible to get computers with 970's in them from other vendors than apple. and possibly cheaper. Would a measly "protection chip" keep people from making their own home brew clones? not for long.Those things tend to get cracked in no time. Apple needs something on the mobo that OS X is really 'functionally' dependent on. This thingy will serve the double purpose of also incresing performance in some way in order to get the most from the RnD. All this would mean that if you manage to actually get X running on a non apple machine, it won't run that well, so that you'll still get more performance/$ from Apple gear.</wild speculation mode>
But how big is the hacked hardware market? How many Linux XBoxes are there? I suspect it isn't that big and that there's enough proprietary hardware/lawyers to stop it.
<strong>But how big is the hacked hardware market? How many Linux XBoxes are there? I suspect it isn't that big and that there's enough proprietary hardware/lawyers to stop it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
This is more about hacked software than hacked hardware. I doubt apple would even try to stop people from running linux on apple boxes. Also, this is about exactly the kind of proprietary hardware/lawyers (it would be patented tech, of course) you're mentioning. Only, It would let apple get some extra mileage out of it, in the form of performance.
The real problem is the PR nightmare that could come with it,(regarding legacy hardware for example) if apple don't play their cards right.
In a way it sounds kinda likely that ALL future macs will have something like this, and that OS X will depend heavily on it. That would help protect apple from illegal "cloning". Bear in mind that,depending on IBM's plans for the 970 of course, it MIGHT soon be possible to get computers with 970's in them from other vendors than apple. and possibly cheaper. Would a measly "protection chip" keep people from making their own home brew clones? not for long.Those things tend to get cracked in no time. Apple needs something on the mobo that OS X is really 'functionally' dependent on. This thingy will serve the double purpose of also incresing performance in some way in order to get the most from the RnD. All this would mean that if you manage to actually get X running on a non apple machine, it won't run that well, so that you'll still get more performance/$ from Apple gear.</wild speculation mode></strong><hr></blockquote>
Keep in mind that other people, like Terra Soft and Eyetech/Amiga, already make and sell commodity non-Apple G3 hardware. These don't boot MacOS, mostly because MacOS is dependent on Open Firmware for now. It's surely possible to get Darwin booting on one of those machines, at which point OS X becomes available too, but of course you still end up with a $800-900 machine (sans monitor) that's whomped by a $1000 eMac.
Compared to what's available in the commodity PPC world, Apple surely isn't overcharging their users. IBM, on the other hand, is. At $8,805 for a 375MHz 604e workstation, they take home the crown for overpiced machines. (Knock off $1500 for the AIX license and you still have one expensive machine.) They call this an ``entry technical workstation''. Perhaps they accidentaly duplicated the 8?
Also remember that such a protection scheme would lock out all their current user base! Apple drew the line in the sand at the G3 due to performance reasons with OS X (especially 10.2 - I just installed 10.1 on a PowerTower Pro 225, and it's SLOW, but works). However, I doubt they have any intention of ``un-supporting'' these machines for many years to come. OS X makes supporting older hardware rediculously easy through Mach-O's unique ability to house multiple architectures in the same binary. Even Sun still ships Solaris 9 as a 32/64-bit OS that installs and works on a 12-year-old SPARCStation 20.
This is more about hacked software than hacked hardware. I doubt apple would even try to stop people from running linux on apple boxes. Also, this is about exactly the kind of proprietary hardware/lawyers (it would be patented tech, of course) you're mentioning. Only, It would let apple get some extra mileage out of it, in the form of performance.
The real problem is the PR nightmare that could come with it,(regarding legacy hardware for example) if apple don't play their cards right.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, the hardware side of it sounds more plausible to me. I have suspected for some time that IBM will do a kind of a CHRP II when the 970 hits general release. In other words, mass-produced 970 mobos for linux boxen plus a reference design.
If IBM does this then Apple would be foolish not to differentiate their hardware in some fundamental way.
Guys, that Nintendo Nexus idea came from a post over on IGN's GameCube forums. They had a contest to 'design the next Nintendo Console' and that was one of the entries.
Someone has been posting it to various news sites as the real thing and it's taken on a life of it's own.
<strong>Guys, that Nintendo Nexus idea came from a post over on IGN's GameCube forums. They had a contest to 'design the next Nintendo Console' and that was one of the entries.
Someone has been posting it to various news sites as the real thing and it's taken on a life of it's own.
Very embarassing, actually. </strong><hr></blockquote>
TOASTED!!!!
he he he ...
Geez guys, 2GHz G4? BLUE FRICKEN' LAZER?!?! What would it have took ... attached to shark head?
<smug>
I got burned a while back myself, so at least I get to enjoy this one ...
Comments
Look at applle.com as an example. They don't use the Apple logo, they made their own as to avoid legal issues.
<strong>Why would Apple WANT the corporate user?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Oh, I don't know...marketshare!
[quote]Originally posted by Tik:
<strong>...but then again, that leaves you with more time for f***ing your girlfriend.
You do have a girlfriend, right?</strong><hr></blockquote>
A wife and 2 kids actually! And what in the world does any of this have to do with business PCs, you know the ones that are bought, used for a couple years, and then new ones are bought? Again, marketshare.
If you don't understand such simple things, find a hobby like gardening or ant farming.
<strong>
If you don't understand such simple things, find a hobby like gardening or ant farming.</strong><hr></blockquote>
off topic-
Where's the hobby in ant farming other then sitting there and watching them?
<strong>off topic-
Where's the hobby in ant farming other then sitting there and watching them?</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Exactly my point...if Tik is obviously that thick, ant farming would be "step up"...
So what's the current odds on something leaking from the WWDC? Just curious if we will get more info between now and July.
<strong>So what's the current odds on something leaking from the WWDC?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think there will actually be some kind of public "announcement" from Apple on the 970. Not sure about leaks...they are pretty public forums, no?
<strong>Fake? With all the corporate logos and TMs everywhere? Someone is gonna get a cease and desist soon then. Companies don't like it when you use their logos for non artistic reasons. That presentation is not artistic but uses the name and logo in a buisness setting. They are stupid if it's a fake because a site is using it as if it's real.
Look at applle.com as an example. They don't use the Apple logo, they made their own as to avoid legal issues.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Then stupid this artist is. This info sheet made the rounds of gaming sites a week or two ago and was declared to be a fake. Also, to my eyes the console itself looks like a render and I can't think of Nintendo ever showing off a render of a console rather than a physical prototype.
A. The product looks clear.
B. There is no bad white balance, etc.
C. You can put the lights/camera anywhere.
But if the product looks completely unforgivably ugly in real life, and the CGI looks beautiful... <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" />
Given the care with which Jobs and Co. have navigated the developer, design, software, OS and retail requirements of the 'new' Apple...we even have the latest games! I would have thought that Jobs would be firing shotgun both barrels squarely at the performance issues...and is in line with this being something that's been in the works for almost four years. ie just after he came back to power at Apple. ie something they wanted to get just right. It would be uncharacteristic considering all the other pieces in the puzzle.
Tantalizing.
I'd hope for something...some morsel to come from the the WWDC. It's eerie, but we're hearing absoutely nothing about 'X'.3!!! Talk about pluggin' the leaks with silicon!
I think Apple could stand to lose a couple of months worth of lost sales. Sooner of later, Apple are going to have to bite the bullet and announce the 970/next plateau of PPC performance...and when they do...I'm guessing they'll have a 'bit' of G4 'power'Mac inventory on their hands.
(Heck, sales dry up a couple of months in the run up to an Expo like Macworld New York anyhow, huh?)
Overall, I'm feeling more and more optimistic.
Lemon Bon Bon
<strong>
A wife and 2 kids actually! And what in the world does any of this have to do with business PCs, you know the ones that are bought, used for a couple years, and then new ones are bought? Again, marketshare.
If you don't understand such simple things, find a hobby like gardening or ant farming.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yup.
Dell gets 15% of it's revenues from it's Home division. That leaves 85% for it's Business division. Gateway gets almost all it's revenues from Home users. Look where it's at now.
Bit of a coincidence that Apple launched an X-serve and an X-Raid line...
Maybe they want a cut of the Pie?
Lemon Bon Bon
<strong>
Then stupid this artist is. This info sheet made the rounds of gaming sites a week or two ago and was declared to be a fake. Also, to my eyes the console itself looks like a render and I can't think of Nintendo ever showing off a render of a console rather than a physical prototype.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No doubt it's cgi, hell the majority of Apple's stuff is, go look at the press photos. He better hope Neintendo can't trace it back to him, we all know what Apple would do.
<strong>
What I was repeating over on Ars was simply the persistent rumour (from several independent sources now) that Apple's next chipset will include a few vector signal processors. There is no other information about them, no indication about which team designed them (although the Raycer guys might be obvious candidates), and no information about what they'd be used for. Given what is generally known about VSPs in other hardware, however, it is likely that these would be useful for 3D graphics, 2D graphics, video compression/decompression, audio processing, and potentially some scientific applications (a la Apple's vDSP library). In Apple's current machines these things would make a lot of sense since the G4s can only use 1.3 GB/sec of bandwidth but the chipset has access to closer to 2.7 GB/sec thanks to the DDR333. To put such a thing into a 970-based machine implies to me that they must be fairly fast VSPs otherwise it wouldn't be worth the effort and cost.</strong><hr></blockquote>
<wild speculation mode>
In a way it sounds kinda likely that ALL future macs will have something like this, and that OS X will depend heavily on it. That would help protect apple from illegal "cloning". Bear in mind that,depending on IBM's plans for the 970 of course, it MIGHT soon be possible to get computers with 970's in them from other vendors than apple. and possibly cheaper. Would a measly "protection chip" keep people from making their own home brew clones? not for long.Those things tend to get cracked in no time. Apple needs something on the mobo that OS X is really 'functionally' dependent on. This thingy will serve the double purpose of also incresing performance in some way in order to get the most from the RnD. All this would mean that if you manage to actually get X running on a non apple machine, it won't run that well, so that you'll still get more performance/$ from Apple gear.</wild speculation mode>
<strong>But how big is the hacked hardware market? How many Linux XBoxes are there? I suspect it isn't that big and that there's enough proprietary hardware/lawyers to stop it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
This is more about hacked software than hacked hardware. I doubt apple would even try to stop people from running linux on apple boxes. Also, this is about exactly the kind of proprietary hardware/lawyers (it would be patented tech, of course) you're mentioning. Only, It would let apple get some extra mileage out of it, in the form of performance.
The real problem is the PR nightmare that could come with it,(regarding legacy hardware for example) if apple don't play their cards right.
<strong>
<wild speculation mode>
In a way it sounds kinda likely that ALL future macs will have something like this, and that OS X will depend heavily on it. That would help protect apple from illegal "cloning". Bear in mind that,depending on IBM's plans for the 970 of course, it MIGHT soon be possible to get computers with 970's in them from other vendors than apple. and possibly cheaper. Would a measly "protection chip" keep people from making their own home brew clones? not for long.Those things tend to get cracked in no time. Apple needs something on the mobo that OS X is really 'functionally' dependent on. This thingy will serve the double purpose of also incresing performance in some way in order to get the most from the RnD. All this would mean that if you manage to actually get X running on a non apple machine, it won't run that well, so that you'll still get more performance/$ from Apple gear.</wild speculation mode></strong><hr></blockquote>
Keep in mind that other people, like Terra Soft and Eyetech/Amiga, already make and sell commodity non-Apple G3 hardware. These don't boot MacOS, mostly because MacOS is dependent on Open Firmware for now. It's surely possible to get Darwin booting on one of those machines, at which point OS X becomes available too, but of course you still end up with a $800-900 machine (sans monitor) that's whomped by a $1000 eMac.
Compared to what's available in the commodity PPC world, Apple surely isn't overcharging their users. IBM, on the other hand, is. At $8,805 for a 375MHz 604e workstation, they take home the crown for overpiced machines. (Knock off $1500 for the AIX license and you still have one expensive machine.) They call this an ``entry technical workstation''. Perhaps they accidentaly duplicated the 8?
Also remember that such a protection scheme would lock out all their current user base! Apple drew the line in the sand at the G3 due to performance reasons with OS X (especially 10.2 - I just installed 10.1 on a PowerTower Pro 225, and it's SLOW, but works). However, I doubt they have any intention of ``un-supporting'' these machines for many years to come. OS X makes supporting older hardware rediculously easy through Mach-O's unique ability to house multiple architectures in the same binary. Even Sun still ships Solaris 9 as a 32/64-bit OS that installs and works on a 12-year-old SPARCStation 20.
(edit - point out compatibility)
[ 03-05-2003: Message edited by: Anonymous Karma ]</p>
<strong>
This is more about hacked software than hacked hardware. I doubt apple would even try to stop people from running linux on apple boxes. Also, this is about exactly the kind of proprietary hardware/lawyers (it would be patented tech, of course) you're mentioning. Only, It would let apple get some extra mileage out of it, in the form of performance.
The real problem is the PR nightmare that could come with it,(regarding legacy hardware for example) if apple don't play their cards right.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, the hardware side of it sounds more plausible to me. I have suspected for some time that IBM will do a kind of a CHRP II when the 970 hits general release. In other words, mass-produced 970 mobos for linux boxen plus a reference design.
If IBM does this then Apple would be foolish not to differentiate their hardware in some fundamental way.
Someone has been posting it to various news sites as the real thing and it's taken on a life of it's own.
Very embarassing, actually.
<strong>Guys, that Nintendo Nexus idea came from a post over on IGN's GameCube forums. They had a contest to 'design the next Nintendo Console' and that was one of the entries.
Someone has been posting it to various news sites as the real thing and it's taken on a life of it's own.
Very embarassing, actually.
TOASTED!!!!
he he he ...
Geez guys, 2GHz G4? BLUE FRICKEN' LAZER?!?! What would it have took ... attached to shark head?
<smug>
I got burned a while back myself, so at least I get to enjoy this one ...
</smug>