" But they really care....it's not like they're deranged psychos or anything - it's for your own good.
I used to be just like you but then I found this link with an actual recording of Hell on it. You can hear the actual screams of the damned as they roast in their fiery torment and get prodded up the harris by all those demons with red-hot pitchforks.....nasty.....that's gotta hurt.....
...it sure as hell convinced me. Now I never take the *** out of fundies anymore. It's just not worth it.....
It sounds like lunchtime at a highschool cafeteria to me - which may well be the model for hell.
This type of " hell " is so much an OT hangover from the time of Paul. I don't doubt there is a hell..but the flames of anguish & torture are related to our own self judgment & not literal flames with pitchforks etc.
No hell could be worse than being constantly forced to replay our own failures in life...of having an infinite time to be totured by the pain & injury we have caused to others....
Hell..is morally about knowing how much of a gap ( sin ) we have put between ourselves and GOD our universal father..
After all it is not GOD who moves away from us.....it is us who move away from Him...
Tut tut Aqua, how disappointing ! I'm never serious, ha ha - you should know that ! Just wanted a gratuitous excuse to go church-bashing again 'I am down on fundies and won't stop ripping them till I do get buckled'.
Actually I think that a good case might be made that hell does exist and that the fundie Churchians are in fact the 'eternal tormentors'. Certainly feels like that when you have the God-squad at the door at 8 in the morning.
Why is it that no other religion on the face of the planet feels the need to invade other people's personal space and harangue them with a load of inane witterings and palpable untruths ?
Someone should do something. They play accordions in their revival tents too.
I am a firm believer in the theological " As you believe..so you receive " school of thinking.
So if one happens to believe ( as a fundamentalist ) in a Burning brothra of hell's cauldron..then that baby..is wot you getz....
If on the other hand you happen to believe in a more loving, forgiving and creative afterlife..(where you get to roll up your proverbial sleeves and tuck into the work at hand)..then that is what you get..& that is my hope..
But on the other hand if I ever get to heaven and it's filled with people playing the harp ( boring )then I'll opt for hell..
At least in " hay--ell" there wil be a choice between bagpipes or accordians...
I have never EVER heard anyone in a Catholic church speak in this way, least of all during an actual service! And I've been to Catholic churches all over the place. Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Florida, Illinois, Iowa, Kentucky, Wisconsin, Arizona, Colorado, New York. You fail to recognize that the Catholic Mass is possibly one of the most solemn and conservative of all religious observances.
Far from yelping and screaming out "praise jesus" after a paragraph of babble and a bottle of poison, Catholic services are more likely to put a person to sleep.
I'll back Moogs up on this one. Every Catholic church service I've been to is the social equivalent of valium.
Recently, I was at my old church for the baptism of my neice and we were quite shocked to see one of the congregants holding up there hands in that trance like gesture. That raised some eyebrows. If someone spoke in tongues in a catholic church people would most likely rush him to the hospital.
In short, sing your 18 syllable Amens in a passive monotone, stand-kneel-sit, eat the wafer, sing one more song, go home.
I used to be just like you but then I found this link with an actual recording of Hell on it. You can hear the actual screams of the damned as they roast in their fiery torment and get prodded up the harris by all those demons with red-hot pitchforks.....nasty.....that's gotta hurt.....
HI-larious. I wonder what those guys who drilled down to hell were doing with a 2,000 degree- resistant micrphone laying around.
Things like this really do scare me. I'm scared to think there really are people ignorant enough to believe this.
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Originally posted by segovius
...this link with an actual recording of Hell
...and? Is that it? Sweet Jesus am I scared!
" But they really care....it's not like they're deranged psychos or anything - it's for your own good.
I used to be just like you but then I found this link with an actual recording of Hell on it. You can hear the actual screams of the damned as they roast in their fiery torment and get prodded up the harris by all those demons with red-hot pitchforks.....nasty.....that's gotta hurt.....
...it sure as hell convinced me. Now I never take the *** out of fundies anymore. It's just not worth it.....
Are you serious ?
Originally posted by Chinney
It sounds like lunchtime at a highschool cafeteria to me - which may well be the model for hell.
This type of " hell " is so much an OT hangover from the time of Paul. I don't doubt there is a hell..but the flames of anguish & torture are related to our own self judgment & not literal flames with pitchforks etc.
No hell could be worse than being constantly forced to replay our own failures in life...of having an infinite time to be totured by the pain & injury we have caused to others....
Hell..is morally about knowing how much of a gap ( sin ) we have put between ourselves and GOD our universal father..
After all it is not GOD who moves away from us.....it is us who move away from Him...
I wish my box worked in here.
Originally posted by segovius
Tut tut Aqua, how disappointing ! I'm never serious, ha ha - you should know that ! Just wanted a gratuitous excuse to go church-bashing again 'I am down on fundies and won't stop ripping them till I do get buckled'.
Actually I think that a good case might be made that hell does exist and that the fundie Churchians are in fact the 'eternal tormentors'. Certainly feels like that when you have the God-squad at the door at 8 in the morning.
Why is it that no other religion on the face of the planet feels the need to invade other people's personal space and harangue them with a load of inane witterings and palpable untruths ?
Someone should do something. They play accordions in their revival tents too.
I am a firm believer in the theological " As you believe..so you receive " school of thinking.
So if one happens to believe ( as a fundamentalist ) in a Burning brothra of hell's cauldron..then that baby..is wot you getz....
If on the other hand you happen to believe in a more loving, forgiving and creative afterlife..(where you get to roll up your proverbial sleeves and tuck into the work at hand)..then that is what you get..& that is my hope..
But on the other hand if I ever get to heaven and it's filled with people playing the harp ( boring )then I'll opt for hell..
At least in " hay--ell" there wil be a choice between bagpipes or accordians...
Originally posted by Moogs
I have never EVER heard anyone in a Catholic church speak in this way, least of all during an actual service! And I've been to Catholic churches all over the place. Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Florida, Illinois, Iowa, Kentucky, Wisconsin, Arizona, Colorado, New York. You fail to recognize that the Catholic Mass is possibly one of the most solemn and conservative of all religious observances.
Far from yelping and screaming out "praise jesus" after a paragraph of babble and a bottle of poison, Catholic services are more likely to put a person to sleep.
I'll back Moogs up on this one. Every Catholic church service I've been to is the social equivalent of valium.
Recently, I was at my old church for the baptism of my neice and we were quite shocked to see one of the congregants holding up there hands in that trance like gesture. That raised some eyebrows. If someone spoke in tongues in a catholic church people would most likely rush him to the hospital.
In short, sing your 18 syllable Amens in a passive monotone, stand-kneel-sit, eat the wafer, sing one more song, go home.
Originally posted by Nordstrodamus
I'll back Moogs up on this one. Every Catholic church service I've been to is the social equivalent of valium.
In short, sing your 18 syllable Amens in a passive monotone, stand-kneel-sit, eat the wafer, sing one more song, go home.
One of the things I love about attending high mass & the cathedral is the beautiful choral music.
For those who have never experienced Mozart's Requim or Bach being sung in such beautiful settings..boy you really don't know what your missing...
Such a rare and beautiful thing to hear these days.
Originally posted by segovius
I used to be just like you but then I found this link with an actual recording of Hell on it. You can hear the actual screams of the damned as they roast in their fiery torment and get prodded up the harris by all those demons with red-hot pitchforks.....nasty.....that's gotta hurt.....
HI-larious. I wonder what those guys who drilled down to hell were doing with a 2,000 degree- resistant micrphone laying around.
Things like this really do scare me. I'm scared to think there really are people ignorant enough to believe this.