Well, then, it's a pleasure to meet you Mr. Singh! I won't tell anybody about your secret identity. Mum's the word, eh? You need a theme song, though. I'll get to work on one right away!
Well, then, it's a pleasure to meet you Mr. Singh! I won't tell anybody about your secret identity. Mum's the word, eh? You need a theme song, though. I'll get to work on one right away!
I wasn't going to play the game, but oh well. I've had a few bourbons and I have the first fire of the season going in the fireplace, so what the hell. I'm game.
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Originally posted by Aries 1B
Your contempt for people who do not agree with you is breathtaking.
Please show me where I expressed contempt.
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Why do you assume that those millions of people "parrot" , by which I presume that you mean 'copying sounds without reflection', and do not listen, think, bounce the ideas against their own principles and form conclusions based upon the known facts and their own life experience?
I said Rush has millions of listeners, MANY of whom do this. Not all. I don't have time at the moment to go through the entire archives of his show and determine the number of callers who begin their conversation with him with "Mega-dittos, Rush."
And in case you're wondering, until I moved recently, I listened to Rush every day.
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How did you get so smart and all those millions of people get so dumb?
Luck?
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Is your real name Khan Noonian Singh?
No. My real name is Scott. I sign most/all of my posts. Do you have trouble reading? If you do, let me know and we can work out some kind of other signal so you know what it is I'm saying.
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Are you the result of selective breeding, an intellectual superhero that goes around Saving The World One Chatroom At A Time?
The two questions are not necessarily related. As for #1, I actually do not know. It is possible that I am the product of selective breeding. But then, isn't everyone at some level? Regarding #2, I may actually be an intellectual superhero. I've got some pretty good credentials.
But if I am some kind of superhero, you must be my J. Jonah Jameson. You know, the guy who attacks people without really understanding what they're all about.
How did you get so smart and all those millions of people get so dumb?
Luck?
....
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Is your real name...
No. My real name is Scott. I sign most/all of my posts. Do you have trouble reading? If you do, let me know and we can work out some kind of other signal so you know what it is I'm saying.
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Are you the result of selective breeding, an intellectual superhero that goes around Saving The World One Chatroom At A Time?
The two questions are not necessarily related. As for #1, I actually do not know. It is possible that I am the product of selective breeding. But then, isn't everyone at some level? Regarding #2, I may actually be an intellectual superhero. I've got some pretty good credentials.
So now let that be a lesson to you kids. Drinking and posting is a something that no one should do. It could lead to horrible accidents like we just witnessed on that last film.
(takes film out of container)
Now it's time to watch Red Asphalt.
Remember kiddo's only you can prevent drinking and posting...
So now let that be a lesson to you kids. Drinking and posting is a something that no one should do. It could lead to horrible accidents like we just witnessed on that last film.
(takes film out of container)
Now it's time to watch Red Asphalt.
Remember kiddo's only you can prevent drinking and posting...
Nick
HAHAHAHA
That is the funniest thing I've seen since that film I watched in Poster's Ed about drinking and posting.
>>>>>>I wasn't going to play the game, but oh well. I've had a few bourbons and I have the first fire of the season going in the fireplace, so what the hell. I'm game.<<<<<
I just finished off a Starbuck's Tall Cafe Mocha (Drink of the gods).
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Originally posted by Aries 1B
Your contempt for people who do not agree with you is breathtaking.
Midwinter: "Please show me where I expressed contempt." <<<<<
Your question is answered in the part of my post that you quoted below. The only conclusion that I can draw from your statement that Rush's fans 'parrot' his views is that they don't think for themselves. It is not out of the realm of possiblity that you think yourself better than a parrot or better than those that you perceive of as parroting Rush Limbaugh's ideas. It follows that you would have contempt for those who you believe do not think (and you would be right to have such contempt; those who do not think are not truly human).
>>>>>Originally posted by Aries 1B :
Why do you assume that those millions of people "parrot" , by which I presume that you mean 'copying sounds without reflection', and do not listen, think, bounce the ideas against their own principles and form conclusions based upon the known facts and their own life experience?
Midwinter: "I said Rush has millions of listeners, MANY of whom do this. Not all. I don't have time at the moment to go through the entire archives of his show and determine the number of callers who begin their conversation with him with "Mega-dittos, Rush.""<<<<<
The Dittos salutation, as you know from listening to the show, is a jovial, shorthand way for Rush's callers to tell him at the outset of their call so that they don't waste any time that they agree with him. The degree of Ditto-ness is modify-able by adding a prefix such as "Mega" ( which means 'I really, really agree!'). If I call myself a 'Ditto Head', then all I'm saying is that I agree with some of Rush's positions. I most emphatically do not agree with all of Rush's stands (his stand on Abortion, and the show's catering to the religious Right to name two.). I bounce what Rush says, his observations, against the observations that I've made and the principles that I abstact based upon those observations (i.e., that work based upon my observations) and then I decide if Rush is right or if Rush is wrong.
As for the rise of The Religious Right, I wonder if the slope of the Rise of the Religious Right is inverse and negative to the Decline of American Education. IF (MONSTER IF) whose fault would that be? Who has been in charge of American Public Education?
>>>>>>Midwinter: And in case you're wondering, until I moved recently, I listened to Rush every day.<<<<<
And now you have a fireplace; well done (seriously, a fireplace is a wonderful thing; congratulations!). Did you ever call in to him?
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Originally posted by Aries 1B :
How did you get so smart and all those millions of people get so dumb?
Midwinter: Luck?<<<<<
No false modesty about how 'I'm not that smart'? Refreshing, but won't your fellow Liberals damn you for being 'full of yourself'? Won't the Liberal Hollywood Culture damn you as a 'nerd'? My Liberal teachers used to try to convince me that my mind was my enemy.
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Originally posted by Aries 1B: Is your real name Khan Noonian Singh?
Midwinter: No. My real name is Scott. I sign most/all of my posts. Do you have trouble reading? If you do, let me know and we can work out some kind of other signal so you know what it is I'm saying.<<<<<
Attacks on the intellectual abilities of your opponents may feel good, but your opinions on my personal attributes are irrelevant. Make them all that you want. I wear glasses, call me 'four eyes' if you want. I'm overweight; call me 'fatso' if it sets your soul free.
After reading what I just wrote (which I think is pretty good, by the way-defiant, but with just the right amount of pathos), let me sincerely apologize to you, Midwinter, for calling you Khan Noonian Singh. I meant it in humor, but I did not add the emoticons to make that clear, so of course, you feel personally attacked. I can only plead over caffeination (the Drink of the gods doesn't make one a god; I need to remember that and not post Under The Influence.) Remember that, but for a Warp Reactor Control Rod, Khan would have bested Kirk and kept control of the 'Enterprise'.
I (and I know that on this issue I am Completely Alone in this Friendly Discussion Forum known as AO) need to remember to concentrate on the argument of my opponent, and not on my opponent and to absolutely use emoticons. Didn't Bruce Lee say something like that (without the emoticons)?
>>>>>Originally posted by Aries 1B under the influence of Starbuck's Caffe Mocha (even though someone could take the slogan herein, if they wish, for their signature with my cheerful endorsement) :
Are you the result of selective breeding, an intellectual superhero that goes around Saving The World One Chatroom At A Time?
Midwinter: The two questions are not necessarily related. As for #1, I actually do not know. It is possible that I am the product of selective breeding. But then, isn't everyone at some level?<<<<
That is a really superb observation! We Who Breed do look for the best possible mate in order to produce the best possible offspring. I actually did a pretty good job in that regard.
>>>>>Midwinter: Regarding #2, I may actually be an intellectual superhero. I've got some pretty good credentials. <<<<<
D'ya still want a theme song? I've selected the theme to "Hawaii Five-Oh" as the Catchy Tune.
>>>>>
Midwinter: But if I am some kind of superhero, you must be my J. Jonah Jameson. You know, the guy who attacks people without really understanding what they're all about.
Nice to meet you.
Cheers
Scott<<<<
J. Jonah Jameson doesn't really 'make it' in this regard. Wasn't SpiderMan (as Peter Parker) an employee of Jameson's? I can't see you working for me. Someone else, certainly and gainfully, but not me.
I just read your post to my wife, and she suggested that I inform you that, not only have I been drinking and posting, but I've started THREE fires (one in the grill to cook the steaks, one in the chiminea while we sat outside and had drinks, and one in the fireplace).
So now let that be a lesson to you kids. Drinking and posting is a something that no one should do. It could lead to horrible accidents like we just witnessed on that last film.
(takes film out of container)
Now it's time to watch Red Asphalt.
Remember kiddo's only you can prevent drinking and posting...
Nick
BrovoPost! Standing up, laughing, applauding and cheering here in Indianapolis!
I just finished off a Starbuck's Tall Cafe Mocha (Drink of the gods).
I have to be careful about the mochas. I have one in the morning and that's it. Yesterday I had two, and I thought someone was going to have to peel me off the ceiling by the end of the night.
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Your question is answered in the part of my post that you quoted below. The only conclusion that I can draw from your statement that Rush's fans 'parrot' his views is that they don't think for themselves. It is not out of the realm of possiblity that you think yourself better than a parrot or better than those that you perceive of as parroting Rush Limbaugh's ideas. It follows that you would have contempt for those who you believe do not think (and you would be right to have such contempt; those who do not think are not truly human).
Look at the logic of your claims here:
You say:
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"The only conclusion that I can draw from your statement that Rush's fans 'parrot' his views is that they don't think for themselves."
I made no blanket accusations against all of Rush's fans. I merely said the following: Rush has many fans. Many of those fans merely parrot what Rush says. This happens all over the place, and is not limited to Rush, nor is it limited to conservatives.
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It is not out of the realm of possiblity that you think yourself better than a parrot or better than those that you perceive of as parroting Rush Limbaugh's ideas.
Indeed. Nor is it outside the realm of possibility that neither of us exist. Or that we're both from other planets. Lots of things aren't outside the realm of possibility.
My point is that you can't base conclusions on what is "not outside the realm of possibility." In situations like this, Occam's razor is more useful, I think. It keeps you from spraining your knee when it jerks back.
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It follows that you would have contempt for those who you believe do not think (and you would be right to have such contempt; those who do not think are not truly human)
You're making a pretty big leap here. It does not follow, from your earlier assertion that I think myself superior to people who parrot and do not think, that I "would have contempt for those who (I) believe do not think." Just because I don't think they think is no reason for me to dismiss what they have to say. I listen. I consider. And depending on what they say, I either accept or dismiss.
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The Dittos salutation, as you know from listening to the show, is a jovial, shorthand way for Rush's callers to tell him at the outset of their call so that they don't waste any time that they agree with him. The degree of Ditto-ness is modify-able by adding a prefix such as "Mega" ( which means 'I really, really agree!'). If I call myself a 'Ditto Head', then all I'm saying is that I agree with some of Rush's positions. I most emphatically do not agree with all of Rush's stands (his stand on Abortion, and the show's catering to the religious Right to name two.). I bounce what Rush says, his observations, against the observations that I've made and the principles that I abstact based upon those observations (i.e., that work based upon my observations) and then I decide if Rush is right or if Rush is wrong.
I think you're misunderstanding what the phrase means. A "ditto" is a copy. To ditto someone or something is to copy it. When people call into Limbaugh and say "dittos," they cannot mean anything other than that they agree with everything he says. That is what the phrase means. And don't get me wrong, I've heard people call in and say they agree with him some/most of the time. I've heard people call in to call him on the carpet. But the majority of the people who call into his show seem to do little more than either parrot back to him whatever he's said or try to take him to task, get reprimanded by him, and eventually wind up being cowed down by him. Regardless of whether he's right or wrong, he's a persuasive guy at times.
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As for the rise of The Religious Right, I wonder if the slope of the Rise of the Religious Right is inverse and negative to the Decline of American Education. IF (MONSTER IF) whose fault would that be? Who has been in charge of American Public Education?
I have no idea where this came from, but my immediate response to your question of who's been in charge of public education is this:
No one.
[quote]Midwinter: And in case you're wondering, until I moved recently, I listened to Rush every day.<<<<<
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And now you have a fireplace; well done (seriously, a fireplace is a wonderful thing; congratulations!). Did you ever call in to him?
No, I haven't. I assumed I'd never get through the screeners. I have been tempted, though, to tear into him for his idiotic rants on postmodernism/poststructuralism/revisionist history.
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No false modesty about how 'I'm not that smart'? Refreshing, but won't your fellow Liberals damn you for being 'full of yourself'? Won't the Liberal Hollywood Culture damn you as a 'nerd'? My Liberal teachers used to try to convince me that my mind was my enemy.
Sometimes your liberal teachers are right. Just because they're liberal doesn't mean they're always wrong. This is a logical fallacy called "Poisoning the well."
As for the rest of your bizarre claims about "liberals," I am a well-mannered, well-read, and well-educated man who accomplished all of this despite growing up in the projects. Why would I find shame in that?
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Attacks on the intellectual abilities of your opponents may feel good, but your opinions on my personal attributes are irrelevant. Make them all that you want. I wear glasses, call me 'four eyes' if you want. I'm overweight; call me 'fatso' if it sets your soul free.
If my opponents are engaging me in an argument, they should expect that I will point out when they aren't keeping up or paying attention. You cracked a joke. I cracked right back. You can't cry no fair now.
This is a debate. We're arguing. I engaged in no ad hominem attacks. I merely indicated that, if you'd read my posts, you'd know damned well what my name was. And in the process, I made a little funny in there.
And now you're saying no fair?
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After reading what I just wrote (which I think is pretty good, by the way-defiant, but with just the right amount of pathos), let me sincerely apologize to you, Midwinter, for calling you Khan Noonian Singh. I meant it in humor, but I did not add the emoticons to make that clear, so of course, you feel personally attacked. I can only plead over caffeination (the Drink of the gods doesn't make one a god; I need to remember that and not post Under The Influence.) Remember that, but for a Warp Reactor Control Rod, Khan would have bested Kirk and kept control of the 'Enterprise'.
While I honestly took no offense, your apology is most sincerely accepted. Seriously.
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I (and I know that on this issue I am Completely Alone in this Friendly Discussion Forum known as AO) need to remember to concentrate on the argument of my opponent, and not on my opponent and to absolutely use emoticons. Didn't Bruce Lee say something like that (without the emoticons)?
Heh. Something we all should remember.
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Originally posted by Aries 1B under the influence of Starbuck's Caffe Mocha (even though someone could take the slogan herein, if they wish, for their signature with my cheerful endorsement) :
That is a really superb observation! We Who Breed do look for the best possible mate in order to produce the best possible offspring. I actually did a pretty good job in that regard.
As did I. No offspring, though (by choice). I read my Desmond Morris and everything.
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D'ya still want a theme song? I've selected the theme to "Hawaii Five-Oh" as the Catchy Tune.
My reference to a theme song was a quote from "I'm Gonna Get You Sucka!," which is a most excellent comedy that, if you have not seen it, you should go NOW and rent.
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J. Jonah Jameson doesn't really 'make it' in this regard. Wasn't SpiderMan (as Peter Parker) an employee of Jameson's? I can't see you working for me. Someone else, certainly and gainfully, but not me.
Heh. That was actually pretty nice. You're forgetting, though, that Parker is consistently able to manipulate Jameson into getting what he wants.
You should also not make assumptions about whether or not I'd be a good employee for you.
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Enjoy the fire!
I am. As much of an embarrassment as it is (since I am a tried and true Southerner), tomorrow I will order a cord of wood. Any good Southerner would load up the chainsaw, axes, sledgehammers, and wedges into the back of his truck and head off into the woods, where he would cut down, split, and load his own damned firewood. My grandfather will turn over in his grave, no doubt.
Yes, but doesn't Rush say that all drug users should be severely punished? I heard him say it and read his comments several times (even a few in this thread).
So how much jail time would you give him for being an addict?
Yes, but doesn't Rush say that all drug users should be severely punished? I heard him say it and read his comments several times (even a few in this thread).
So how much jail time would you give him for being an addict?
Remember: he's not in trouble for being a drug addict. He's in trouble for obtaining prescription drugs without a prescription.
In other words, the same thing Jeb Bush's daughter got in trouble for.
Nov. 18 - President John F. Kennedy's medical records reveal that he had suffered health problems since childhood, and used an arsenal of drugs, including painkillers and stimulants, to treat various medical conditions during his presidency.
A historian who examined his medical records was stunned at the extent of the health problems that the seemingly vigorous president dealt with.
"There was hardly a day that went by that he didn't suffer terribly," presidential historian Robert Dallek, a history professor at Boston University, told ABCNEWS' Good Morning America.
The revelations about JFK's health are included in Dallek's forthcoming book, An Unfinished Life: John F. Kennedy, 1917-1963, which is excerpted in the December issue of Atlantic Monthly. Dallek was granted exclusive access to Kennedy's private papers for the years 1955 to 1963, including his X-rays and prescription drug records.
Kennedy suffered from colitis, prostatitis, and a disorder called Addison's disease, which affects the body's ability to regulate blood sugar and sodium. He also had osteoporosis of the lower back, causing pain so severe that he was unable to perform simple tasks such as reaching across his desk to pull papers forward, or pulling the shoe and sock onto his left foot, Dallek said.
To fight the pain, Kennedy took as many as 12 medications at once, taking more during times of stress.
The medical records reveal that Kennedy variously took codeine, Demerol and methadone for pain; Ritalin, a stimulant; meprobamate and librium for anxiety; barbiturates for sleep; thyroid hormone; and injections of a blood derivative, gamma globulin, a medicine that combats infections.
During the Bay of Pigs fiasco in 1961, and the Cuban Missile Crisis in October 1962, Kennedy was taking steroids for his Addison's disease, painkillers for his back, anti-spasmodics for his colitis, antibiotics for urinary tract infections, antihistamines for his allergies, and on at least one occasion, an anti-psychotic drug to treat a severe mood change that Jackie Kennedy believed was brought on by the antihistamines.
This deluge of drugs often had side effects, including grogginess or even depression. To treat this Kennedy took more still anti-anxiety medications. Yet, there is no indication that the medications impaired JFK's judgment during crucial moments in U.S. history.
"I studied very closely his performance during these crisis, and what was striking is how effective he was," Dallek said. "He made a bet with himself and the country, in a sense, that he could be president, and he carried it off brilliantly. It was extraordinary."
But Kennedy and his closest circle took great pains to hide his health problems from the public, fearing it would impair his political career. JFK was particularly fearful that revelations about his health problems would hurt him in the neck-and-neck presidential race with Richard Nixon in 1960.
He was so terrified of his medical conditions being known that in the 1960 fight for the Democratic nomination, Lyndon Johnson aides aired the fact that Kennedy had Addison's disease, and the Kennedy campaign flatly denied it, Dallek said. His doctors later published a letter saying his health was excellent...
You make the hell you inhabit. If Rush is in favor of jail time for drug users then he should be in jail. Simple.
However, as for the realities of actual sentencing I would guess that the average sentence for prescription drug abusers is probably light. I think that breaks down more favorably for rich, white people than for poor minorities. But hey, I remember Rush arguing that this was a good thing, since being harder on crime in poor minority areas would supposedly help those communities. Wierd logic, but if he believes it then maybe he should get a light sentence.
Personally, I think drug laws are far to invasive, unevenly enforced, and anti-American. Legalize the stuff, but not like tobacco and alcohol. Require clinical administration for the hard stuff to maintain a social stigma, forbid marketing, and let potheads do as they will so long as they don't harm others.
Legalize the stuff, but not like tobacco and alcohol. Require clinical administration for the hard stuff to maintain a social stigma, forbid marketing, and let potheads do as they will so long as they don't harm others.
But but but but dude ... if you did that then ... drugs would be free with treatment and uh ... all those drug dealers wouldn't be able to make a profit and would ... uh ... look, that's got to be a bad idea.
"There's nothing good about drug use," he was saying. "We know it. It destroys individuals. It destroys families. Drug use destroys societies. Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. And the laws are good because we know what happens to people in societies and neighborhoods which become consumed by them. And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up."
here's some more commentary by Limbaugh on drugs:
"We're going to let you destroy your life. We're going to make it easy and then all of us who accept the responsibilities of life and don't destroy our lives on drugs, we'll pay for whatever messes you get into."
-- Rush Limbaugh show, Dec. 9, 1993
"I'm appalled at people who simply want to look at all this abhorrent behavior and say people are going to do drugs anyway let's legalize it. It's a dumb idea. It's a rotten idea and those who are for it are purely 100 percent selfish."
-- Rush Limbaugh show, Dec 9, 1993
"If (Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders) wants to legalize drugs, send the people who want to do drugs to London and Zurich, and let's be rid of them.
-- Rush Limbaugh show, Dec 9, 1993
"What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with drug use. Too many whites are getting away with drug sales. Too many whites are getting away with trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too."
-- Rush Limbaugh show, Oct. 5, 1995
Here's Bush on Limbaugh...one bigot on another:
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"Rush is a great American. I am confident he can overcome any obstacles he faces right now,? George W. Bush was quoted in the Washington Post as telling his staff the other day after Limbaugh?s racist comments on ESPN and the first revelations that Rush was an illegal drug user.
I can't wait to see Limbaugh move to London or Zurich. Or anywhere for that matter. In one short week he spews bald-faced racism...(although thats nothing new for Rush, he dropped his subtle racist undertones for something a bit more in your face), and then he's now admitted being a drug addict...the duplicity of the man is staggering. According to the FBI there are 724,000 Americans arrested for marijuana... an example of Rush Limbaugh's bete noir of "big government" stomping all over people intruding into their lives en masse...yet this arrogant two faced hypocrite is now found to be an abuser of a controlled substance.
"What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with drug use. Too many whites are getting away with drug sales. Too many whites are getting away with trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too."
-- Rush Limbaugh show, Oct. 5, 1995
If that's an accurate qoute I don't see how any conservative can defend him getting anything but jail time. I suppose they could latch onto the "trafficking" distinction or maybe try the ol' "Oh yeah, but liberals are hypocrits on this and this...."
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Originally posted by midwinter
Mega-dittos.
Cheers
Scott
Well, then, it's a pleasure to meet you Mr. Singh! I won't tell anybody about your secret identity. Mum's the word, eh? You need a theme song, though. I'll get to work on one right away!
(gee!)
Aries 1B
Originally posted by Aries 1B
Well, then, it's a pleasure to meet you Mr. Singh! I won't tell anybody about your secret identity. Mum's the word, eh? You need a theme song, though. I'll get to work on one right away!
(gee!)
Aries 1B
Every hero got to have his theme music.
Cheers
Scott
Originally posted by Aries 1B
Your contempt for people who do not agree with you is breathtaking.
Please show me where I expressed contempt.
Why do you assume that those millions of people "parrot" , by which I presume that you mean 'copying sounds without reflection', and do not listen, think, bounce the ideas against their own principles and form conclusions based upon the known facts and their own life experience?
I said Rush has millions of listeners, MANY of whom do this. Not all. I don't have time at the moment to go through the entire archives of his show and determine the number of callers who begin their conversation with him with "Mega-dittos, Rush."
And in case you're wondering, until I moved recently, I listened to Rush every day.
How did you get so smart and all those millions of people get so dumb?
Luck?
Is your real name Khan Noonian Singh?
No. My real name is Scott. I sign most/all of my posts. Do you have trouble reading? If you do, let me know and we can work out some kind of other signal so you know what it is I'm saying.
Are you the result of selective breeding, an intellectual superhero that goes around Saving The World One Chatroom At A Time?
The two questions are not necessarily related. As for #1, I actually do not know. It is possible that I am the product of selective breeding. But then, isn't everyone at some level? Regarding #2, I may actually be an intellectual superhero. I've got some pretty good credentials.
But if I am some kind of superhero, you must be my J. Jonah Jameson. You know, the guy who attacks people without really understanding what they're all about.
Nice to meet you.
Cheers
Scott
Originally posted by midwinter
doh. double post.
Wouldn't that have been a real DITTO then .. . of sorts
Originally posted by midwinter
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How did you get so smart and all those millions of people get so dumb?
Luck?
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Is your real name...
No. My real name is Scott. I sign most/all of my posts. Do you have trouble reading? If you do, let me know and we can work out some kind of other signal so you know what it is I'm saying.
....
Are you the result of selective breeding, an intellectual superhero that goes around Saving The World One Chatroom At A Time?
The two questions are not necessarily related. As for #1, I actually do not know. It is possible that I am the product of selective breeding. But then, isn't everyone at some level? Regarding #2, I may actually be an intellectual superhero. I've got some pretty good credentials.
Originally posted by midwinter
doh. double post.
(shuts off projector)
So now let that be a lesson to you kids. Drinking and posting is a something that no one should do. It could lead to horrible accidents like we just witnessed on that last film.
(takes film out of container)
Now it's time to watch Red Asphalt.
Remember kiddo's only you can prevent drinking and posting...
Nick
Originally posted by trumptman
(shuts off projector)
So now let that be a lesson to you kids. Drinking and posting is a something that no one should do. It could lead to horrible accidents like we just witnessed on that last film.
(takes film out of container)
Now it's time to watch Red Asphalt.
Remember kiddo's only you can prevent drinking and posting...
Nick
HAHAHAHA
That is the funniest thing I've seen since that film I watched in Poster's Ed about drinking and posting.
Seriously. You just made my day.
Cheers
Scott
I just finished off a Starbuck's Tall Cafe Mocha (Drink of the gods).
>>>>>>quote:
Originally posted by Aries 1B
Your contempt for people who do not agree with you is breathtaking.
Midwinter: "Please show me where I expressed contempt." <<<<<
Your question is answered in the part of my post that you quoted below. The only conclusion that I can draw from your statement that Rush's fans 'parrot' his views is that they don't think for themselves. It is not out of the realm of possiblity that you think yourself better than a parrot or better than those that you perceive of as parroting Rush Limbaugh's ideas. It follows that you would have contempt for those who you believe do not think (and you would be right to have such contempt; those who do not think are not truly human).
>>>>>Originally posted by Aries 1B :
Why do you assume that those millions of people "parrot" , by which I presume that you mean 'copying sounds without reflection', and do not listen, think, bounce the ideas against their own principles and form conclusions based upon the known facts and their own life experience?
Midwinter: "I said Rush has millions of listeners, MANY of whom do this. Not all. I don't have time at the moment to go through the entire archives of his show and determine the number of callers who begin their conversation with him with "Mega-dittos, Rush.""<<<<<
The Dittos salutation, as you know from listening to the show, is a jovial, shorthand way for Rush's callers to tell him at the outset of their call so that they don't waste any time that they agree with him. The degree of Ditto-ness is modify-able by adding a prefix such as "Mega" ( which means 'I really, really agree!'). If I call myself a 'Ditto Head', then all I'm saying is that I agree with some of Rush's positions. I most emphatically do not agree with all of Rush's stands (his stand on Abortion, and the show's catering to the religious Right to name two.). I bounce what Rush says, his observations, against the observations that I've made and the principles that I abstact based upon those observations (i.e., that work based upon my observations) and then I decide if Rush is right or if Rush is wrong.
As for the rise of The Religious Right, I wonder if the slope of the Rise of the Religious Right is inverse and negative to the Decline of American Education. IF (MONSTER IF) whose fault would that be? Who has been in charge of American Public Education?
>>>>>>Midwinter: And in case you're wondering, until I moved recently, I listened to Rush every day.<<<<<
And now you have a fireplace; well done (seriously, a fireplace is a wonderful thing; congratulations!). Did you ever call in to him?
>>>>>
Originally posted by Aries 1B :
How did you get so smart and all those millions of people get so dumb?
Midwinter: Luck?<<<<<
No false modesty about how 'I'm not that smart'? Refreshing, but won't your fellow Liberals damn you for being 'full of yourself'? Won't the Liberal Hollywood Culture damn you as a 'nerd'? My Liberal teachers used to try to convince me that my mind was my enemy.
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Originally posted by Aries 1B: Is your real name Khan Noonian Singh?
Midwinter: No. My real name is Scott. I sign most/all of my posts. Do you have trouble reading? If you do, let me know and we can work out some kind of other signal so you know what it is I'm saying.<<<<<
Attacks on the intellectual abilities of your opponents may feel good, but your opinions on my personal attributes are irrelevant. Make them all that you want. I wear glasses, call me 'four eyes' if you want. I'm overweight; call me 'fatso' if it sets your soul free.
After reading what I just wrote (which I think is pretty good, by the way-defiant, but with just the right amount of pathos), let me sincerely apologize to you, Midwinter, for calling you Khan Noonian Singh. I meant it in humor, but I did not add the emoticons to make that clear, so of course, you feel personally attacked. I can only plead over caffeination (the Drink of the gods doesn't make one a god; I need to remember that and not post Under The Influence.) Remember that, but for a Warp Reactor Control Rod, Khan would have bested Kirk and kept control of the 'Enterprise'.
I (and I know that on this issue I am Completely Alone in this Friendly Discussion Forum known as AO) need to remember to concentrate on the argument of my opponent, and not on my opponent and to absolutely use emoticons. Didn't Bruce Lee say something like that (without the emoticons)?
>>>>>Originally posted by Aries 1B under the influence of Starbuck's Caffe Mocha (even though someone could take the slogan herein, if they wish, for their signature with my cheerful endorsement) :
Are you the result of selective breeding, an intellectual superhero that goes around Saving The World One Chatroom At A Time?
Midwinter: The two questions are not necessarily related. As for #1, I actually do not know. It is possible that I am the product of selective breeding. But then, isn't everyone at some level?<<<<
That is a really superb observation! We Who Breed do look for the best possible mate in order to produce the best possible offspring. I actually did a pretty good job in that regard.
>>>>>Midwinter: Regarding #2, I may actually be an intellectual superhero. I've got some pretty good credentials. <<<<<
D'ya still want a theme song? I've selected the theme to "Hawaii Five-Oh" as the Catchy Tune.
>>>>>
Midwinter: But if I am some kind of superhero, you must be my J. Jonah Jameson. You know, the guy who attacks people without really understanding what they're all about.
Nice to meet you.
Cheers
Scott<<<<
J. Jonah Jameson doesn't really 'make it' in this regard. Wasn't SpiderMan (as Peter Parker) an employee of Jameson's? I can't see you working for me. Someone else, certainly and gainfully, but not me.
Enjoy the fire!
Cordially,
Aries 1B
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I just read your post to my wife, and she suggested that I inform you that, not only have I been drinking and posting, but I've started THREE fires (one in the grill to cook the steaks, one in the chiminea while we sat outside and had drinks, and one in the fireplace).
We have yet to see whether I burn the house down.
Cheers
Scott
Originally posted by trumptman
(shuts off projector)
So now let that be a lesson to you kids. Drinking and posting is a something that no one should do. It could lead to horrible accidents like we just witnessed on that last film.
(takes film out of container)
Now it's time to watch Red Asphalt.
Remember kiddo's only you can prevent drinking and posting...
Nick
BrovoPost! Standing up, laughing, applauding and cheering here in Indianapolis!
Turn off the damn computer and concentrate on your wife (and the steaks!)!
Enjoy!
Aries 1B
I just finished off a Starbuck's Tall Cafe Mocha (Drink of the gods).
I have to be careful about the mochas. I have one in the morning and that's it. Yesterday I had two, and I thought someone was going to have to peel me off the ceiling by the end of the night.
Your question is answered in the part of my post that you quoted below. The only conclusion that I can draw from your statement that Rush's fans 'parrot' his views is that they don't think for themselves. It is not out of the realm of possiblity that you think yourself better than a parrot or better than those that you perceive of as parroting Rush Limbaugh's ideas. It follows that you would have contempt for those who you believe do not think (and you would be right to have such contempt; those who do not think are not truly human).
Look at the logic of your claims here:
You say:
"The only conclusion that I can draw from your statement that Rush's fans 'parrot' his views is that they don't think for themselves."
I made no blanket accusations against all of Rush's fans. I merely said the following: Rush has many fans. Many of those fans merely parrot what Rush says. This happens all over the place, and is not limited to Rush, nor is it limited to conservatives.
You say:
It is not out of the realm of possiblity that you think yourself better than a parrot or better than those that you perceive of as parroting Rush Limbaugh's ideas.
Indeed. Nor is it outside the realm of possibility that neither of us exist. Or that we're both from other planets. Lots of things aren't outside the realm of possibility.
My point is that you can't base conclusions on what is "not outside the realm of possibility." In situations like this, Occam's razor is more useful, I think. It keeps you from spraining your knee when it jerks back.
You say:
It follows that you would have contempt for those who you believe do not think (and you would be right to have such contempt; those who do not think are not truly human)
You're making a pretty big leap here. It does not follow, from your earlier assertion that I think myself superior to people who parrot and do not think, that I "would have contempt for those who (I) believe do not think." Just because I don't think they think is no reason for me to dismiss what they have to say. I listen. I consider. And depending on what they say, I either accept or dismiss.
The Dittos salutation, as you know from listening to the show, is a jovial, shorthand way for Rush's callers to tell him at the outset of their call so that they don't waste any time that they agree with him. The degree of Ditto-ness is modify-able by adding a prefix such as "Mega" ( which means 'I really, really agree!'). If I call myself a 'Ditto Head', then all I'm saying is that I agree with some of Rush's positions. I most emphatically do not agree with all of Rush's stands (his stand on Abortion, and the show's catering to the religious Right to name two.). I bounce what Rush says, his observations, against the observations that I've made and the principles that I abstact based upon those observations (i.e., that work based upon my observations) and then I decide if Rush is right or if Rush is wrong.
I think you're misunderstanding what the phrase means. A "ditto" is a copy. To ditto someone or something is to copy it. When people call into Limbaugh and say "dittos," they cannot mean anything other than that they agree with everything he says. That is what the phrase means. And don't get me wrong, I've heard people call in and say they agree with him some/most of the time. I've heard people call in to call him on the carpet. But the majority of the people who call into his show seem to do little more than either parrot back to him whatever he's said or try to take him to task, get reprimanded by him, and eventually wind up being cowed down by him. Regardless of whether he's right or wrong, he's a persuasive guy at times.
As for the rise of The Religious Right, I wonder if the slope of the Rise of the Religious Right is inverse and negative to the Decline of American Education. IF (MONSTER IF) whose fault would that be? Who has been in charge of American Public Education?
I have no idea where this came from, but my immediate response to your question of who's been in charge of public education is this:
No one.
[quote]Midwinter: And in case you're wondering, until I moved recently, I listened to Rush every day.<<<<<
And now you have a fireplace; well done (seriously, a fireplace is a wonderful thing; congratulations!). Did you ever call in to him?
No, I haven't. I assumed I'd never get through the screeners. I have been tempted, though, to tear into him for his idiotic rants on postmodernism/poststructuralism/revisionist history.
No false modesty about how 'I'm not that smart'? Refreshing, but won't your fellow Liberals damn you for being 'full of yourself'? Won't the Liberal Hollywood Culture damn you as a 'nerd'? My Liberal teachers used to try to convince me that my mind was my enemy.
Sometimes your liberal teachers are right. Just because they're liberal doesn't mean they're always wrong. This is a logical fallacy called "Poisoning the well."
As for the rest of your bizarre claims about "liberals," I am a well-mannered, well-read, and well-educated man who accomplished all of this despite growing up in the projects. Why would I find shame in that?
Attacks on the intellectual abilities of your opponents may feel good, but your opinions on my personal attributes are irrelevant. Make them all that you want. I wear glasses, call me 'four eyes' if you want. I'm overweight; call me 'fatso' if it sets your soul free.
If my opponents are engaging me in an argument, they should expect that I will point out when they aren't keeping up or paying attention. You cracked a joke. I cracked right back. You can't cry no fair now.
This is a debate. We're arguing. I engaged in no ad hominem attacks. I merely indicated that, if you'd read my posts, you'd know damned well what my name was. And in the process, I made a little funny in there.
And now you're saying no fair?
After reading what I just wrote (which I think is pretty good, by the way-defiant, but with just the right amount of pathos), let me sincerely apologize to you, Midwinter, for calling you Khan Noonian Singh. I meant it in humor, but I did not add the emoticons to make that clear, so of course, you feel personally attacked. I can only plead over caffeination (the Drink of the gods doesn't make one a god; I need to remember that and not post Under The Influence.) Remember that, but for a Warp Reactor Control Rod, Khan would have bested Kirk and kept control of the 'Enterprise'.
While I honestly took no offense, your apology is most sincerely accepted. Seriously.
I (and I know that on this issue I am Completely Alone in this Friendly Discussion Forum known as AO) need to remember to concentrate on the argument of my opponent, and not on my opponent and to absolutely use emoticons. Didn't Bruce Lee say something like that (without the emoticons)?
Heh. Something we all should remember.
Originally posted by Aries 1B under the influence of Starbuck's Caffe Mocha (even though someone could take the slogan herein, if they wish, for their signature with my cheerful endorsement) :
That is a really superb observation! We Who Breed do look for the best possible mate in order to produce the best possible offspring. I actually did a pretty good job in that regard.
As did I. No offspring, though (by choice). I read my Desmond Morris and everything.
D'ya still want a theme song? I've selected the theme to "Hawaii Five-Oh" as the Catchy Tune.
My reference to a theme song was a quote from "I'm Gonna Get You Sucka!," which is a most excellent comedy that, if you have not seen it, you should go NOW and rent.
J. Jonah Jameson doesn't really 'make it' in this regard. Wasn't SpiderMan (as Peter Parker) an employee of Jameson's? I can't see you working for me. Someone else, certainly and gainfully, but not me.
Heh. That was actually pretty nice. You're forgetting, though, that Parker is consistently able to manipulate Jameson into getting what he wants.
You should also not make assumptions about whether or not I'd be a good employee for you.
Enjoy the fire!
I am. As much of an embarrassment as it is (since I am a tried and true Southerner), tomorrow I will order a cord of wood. Any good Southerner would load up the chainsaw, axes, sledgehammers, and wedges into the back of his truck and head off into the woods, where he would cut down, split, and load his own damned firewood. My grandfather will turn over in his grave, no doubt.
Cheers
Scott
Originally posted by Aries 1B
Abso-freakin-right.
Rush is correct more often than he is wrong.
Yes, but doesn't Rush say that all drug users should be severely punished? I heard him say it and read his comments several times (even a few in this thread).
So how much jail time would you give him for being an addict?
Originally posted by EMGeneratr
Yes, but doesn't Rush say that all drug users should be severely punished? I heard him say it and read his comments several times (even a few in this thread).
So how much jail time would you give him for being an addict?
Remember: he's not in trouble for being a drug addict. He's in trouble for obtaining prescription drugs without a prescription.
In other words, the same thing Jeb Bush's daughter got in trouble for.
In the same state, even.
Cheers
Scott
Originally posted by BRussell
Heh, so modern American conservative ideology is really the product of a drug-induced mental state?
No more so than modern American liberalism is. JFK, the "patron saint" of the Democrat party, also was on a boatload of drugs.
Suffering in Camelot
JFK Hid Health Problems, Took Drugs For Pain
Nov. 18 - President John F. Kennedy's medical records reveal that he had suffered health problems since childhood, and used an arsenal of drugs, including painkillers and stimulants, to treat various medical conditions during his presidency.
A historian who examined his medical records was stunned at the extent of the health problems that the seemingly vigorous president dealt with.
"There was hardly a day that went by that he didn't suffer terribly," presidential historian Robert Dallek, a history professor at Boston University, told ABCNEWS' Good Morning America.
The revelations about JFK's health are included in Dallek's forthcoming book, An Unfinished Life: John F. Kennedy, 1917-1963, which is excerpted in the December issue of Atlantic Monthly. Dallek was granted exclusive access to Kennedy's private papers for the years 1955 to 1963, including his X-rays and prescription drug records.
Kennedy suffered from colitis, prostatitis, and a disorder called Addison's disease, which affects the body's ability to regulate blood sugar and sodium. He also had osteoporosis of the lower back, causing pain so severe that he was unable to perform simple tasks such as reaching across his desk to pull papers forward, or pulling the shoe and sock onto his left foot, Dallek said.
To fight the pain, Kennedy took as many as 12 medications at once, taking more during times of stress.
The medical records reveal that Kennedy variously took codeine, Demerol and methadone for pain; Ritalin, a stimulant; meprobamate and librium for anxiety; barbiturates for sleep; thyroid hormone; and injections of a blood derivative, gamma globulin, a medicine that combats infections.
During the Bay of Pigs fiasco in 1961, and the Cuban Missile Crisis in October 1962, Kennedy was taking steroids for his Addison's disease, painkillers for his back, anti-spasmodics for his colitis, antibiotics for urinary tract infections, antihistamines for his allergies, and on at least one occasion, an anti-psychotic drug to treat a severe mood change that Jackie Kennedy believed was brought on by the antihistamines.
This deluge of drugs often had side effects, including grogginess or even depression. To treat this Kennedy took more still anti-anxiety medications. Yet, there is no indication that the medications impaired JFK's judgment during crucial moments in U.S. history.
"I studied very closely his performance during these crisis, and what was striking is how effective he was," Dallek said. "He made a bet with himself and the country, in a sense, that he could be president, and he carried it off brilliantly. It was extraordinary."
But Kennedy and his closest circle took great pains to hide his health problems from the public, fearing it would impair his political career. JFK was particularly fearful that revelations about his health problems would hurt him in the neck-and-neck presidential race with Richard Nixon in 1960.
He was so terrified of his medical conditions being known that in the 1960 fight for the Democratic nomination, Lyndon Johnson aides aired the fact that Kennedy had Addison's disease, and the Kennedy campaign flatly denied it, Dallek said. His doctors later published a letter saying his health was excellent...
However, as for the realities of actual sentencing I would guess that the average sentence for prescription drug abusers is probably light. I think that breaks down more favorably for rich, white people than for poor minorities. But hey, I remember Rush arguing that this was a good thing, since being harder on crime in poor minority areas would supposedly help those communities. Wierd logic, but if he believes it then maybe he should get a light sentence.
Personally, I think drug laws are far to invasive, unevenly enforced, and anti-American. Legalize the stuff, but not like tobacco and alcohol. Require clinical administration for the hard stuff to maintain a social stigma, forbid marketing, and let potheads do as they will so long as they don't harm others.
Originally posted by Nordstrodamus
Legalize the stuff, but not like tobacco and alcohol. Require clinical administration for the hard stuff to maintain a social stigma, forbid marketing, and let potheads do as they will so long as they don't harm others.
But but but but dude ... if you did that then ... drugs would be free with treatment and uh ... all those drug dealers wouldn't be able to make a profit and would ... uh ... look, that's got to be a bad idea.
Originally posted by chu_bakka
I doubt it. That would of only covered the last 5 years.
well... here's what Rush has said in the past...
http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/...-ny-columnists
""Let's all admit something."
Rush Limbaugh was on his usual tear.
"There's nothing good about drug use," he was saying. "We know it. It destroys individuals. It destroys families. Drug use destroys societies. Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. And the laws are good because we know what happens to people in societies and neighborhoods which become consumed by them. And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up."
here's some more commentary by Limbaugh on drugs:
"We're going to let you destroy your life. We're going to make it easy and then all of us who accept the responsibilities of life and don't destroy our lives on drugs, we'll pay for whatever messes you get into."
-- Rush Limbaugh show, Dec. 9, 1993
"I'm appalled at people who simply want to look at all this abhorrent behavior and say people are going to do drugs anyway let's legalize it. It's a dumb idea. It's a rotten idea and those who are for it are purely 100 percent selfish."
-- Rush Limbaugh show, Dec 9, 1993
"If (Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders) wants to legalize drugs, send the people who want to do drugs to London and Zurich, and let's be rid of them.
-- Rush Limbaugh show, Dec 9, 1993
"What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with drug use. Too many whites are getting away with drug sales. Too many whites are getting away with trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too."
-- Rush Limbaugh show, Oct. 5, 1995
Here's Bush on Limbaugh...one bigot on another:
"Rush is a great American. I am confident he can overcome any obstacles he faces right now,? George W. Bush was quoted in the Washington Post as telling his staff the other day after Limbaugh?s racist comments on ESPN and the first revelations that Rush was an illegal drug user.
I can't wait to see Limbaugh move to London or Zurich. Or anywhere for that matter. In one short week he spews bald-faced racism...(although thats nothing new for Rush, he dropped his subtle racist undertones for something a bit more in your face), and then he's now admitted being a drug addict...the duplicity of the man is staggering. According to the FBI there are 724,000 Americans arrested for marijuana... an example of Rush Limbaugh's bete noir of "big government" stomping all over people intruding into their lives en masse...yet this arrogant two faced hypocrite is now found to be an abuser of a controlled substance.
Originally posted by sammi jo
"What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with drug use. Too many whites are getting away with drug sales. Too many whites are getting away with trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too."
-- Rush Limbaugh show, Oct. 5, 1995
If that's an accurate qoute I don't see how any conservative can defend him getting anything but jail time. I suppose they could latch onto the "trafficking" distinction or maybe try the ol' "Oh yeah, but liberals are hypocrits on this and this...."