Another Stupid Israel Thread
No State-sponsored terrorism to see here folks, move along now... this was an official military action. Two wrongs making a right and all that.
...maybe if you assholes could miraculously control your unguided rockets (or use more precise munitions like a rifle bullet??) to [target those truly responsible for arranging and recruiting the suicide bombers], I wouldn't care so much. But I keep seeing all these civilians killed and maimed, so I have to wonder... DO YOU CARE, Sharon? Maybe you shouldn't attack civilian areas unless a sniper is involved, hence hitting only the person(s) being targeted? I'm quite sure your military is imminently capable of this, so why the unguided / semi-guided Cobra rockets from 3000 feet?
Because you don't care; it's a revenge killing against civilians as much as it is an anti-terrorist tactic. And therein lies the problem. The Israeli government is no better than the terrorist groups they claim to fight.
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Israeli warplanes and helicopter gunships struck Gaza five times Monday, killing at least 11 people and wounding more than 90, Palestinian hospital authorities said, as Prime Minister Ariel Sharon affirmed Israel's threat to remove Yasir Arafat.
Israeli warplanes and helicopter gunships struck Gaza five times Monday, killing at least 11 people and wounding more than 90, Palestinian hospital authorities said, as Prime Minister Ariel Sharon affirmed Israel's threat to remove Yasir Arafat.
...maybe if you assholes could miraculously control your unguided rockets (or use more precise munitions like a rifle bullet??) to [target those truly responsible for arranging and recruiting the suicide bombers], I wouldn't care so much. But I keep seeing all these civilians killed and maimed, so I have to wonder... DO YOU CARE, Sharon? Maybe you shouldn't attack civilian areas unless a sniper is involved, hence hitting only the person(s) being targeted? I'm quite sure your military is imminently capable of this, so why the unguided / semi-guided Cobra rockets from 3000 feet?
Because you don't care; it's a revenge killing against civilians as much as it is an anti-terrorist tactic. And therein lies the problem. The Israeli government is no better than the terrorist groups they claim to fight.
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Hey, you asked for a "stupid" Israel thread, Moogs; you got it!
They claim to be the true victim, the more civilized state. Fu*king act like it. Israel is known to have very capable covert military squads. Grab your friggin sniper rifles, climb onto some rooftops and take your pot shots at the leaders of Hamas and whatever government officials you claim are responsible. Leave the damn non-combatants out of it.
Of course, someone will come in and say "Well how do you know who the combatants are? They are justified in taking their best guess at the latest terrorist hide-out and firing away from above. For all we know that 12 year old boy and 20 year old woman were teh next bus bombers."
Which of course makes my point. They don't care if they hit civilians. To the Sharon government, all Palestinians are terrorists in waiting.
Uncle.
Perhaps if Sharon wants to be rid of terrorism, he should stop with the terrorism himself. Attacking innocent Palestinians merely furthers the causes of Hezbollah and Hamas, probably more than killing only members of those organizations. It gives them a strong rallying point, a reason to continue fighting. What does Sharon honestly hope to achieve by doing this sort of strike? If he really wanted to commit genocide on the Palestinians, I'm sure he could really flex his military might and just wipe out tons of them, but what he's doing now maximizes the amount of combat - it keeps the war going at a steady rate, but it's slow enough to prevent it from ending. Perhaps Sharon needs to keep the war going to maintain his popularity. He can always maintain the hardline position on Palestinians and point the finger at anyone who opposes him.
Originally posted by Moogs
They claim to be the true victim, the more civilized state. Fu*king act like it.
BAM.
I am not anymore intererested by discussing about the subject, unless some majors changes happens. It could start by a change of the head of governement, and even with this, i am not sure it will be better.
Originally posted by Outsider
Oh yeah so true.
16-18 September, 1982.
Originally posted by Moogs
No State-sponsored terrorism to see here folks, move along now... this was an official military action. Two wrongs making a right and all that.
Israeli warplanes and helicopter gunships struck Gaza five times Monday, killing at least 11 people and wounding more than 90, Palestinian hospital authorities said, as Prime Minister Ariel Sharon affirmed Israel's threat to remove Yasir Arafat.
...maybe if you assholes could miraculously control your unguided rockets (or use more precise munitions like a rifle bullet??) to [target those truly responsible for arranging and recruiting the suicide bombers], I wouldn't care so much. But I keep seeing all these civilians killed and maimed, so I have to wonder... DO YOU CARE, Sharon? Maybe you shouldn't attack civilian areas unless a sniper is involved, hence hitting only the person(s) being targeted? I'm quite sure your military is imminently capable of this, so why the unguided / semi-guided Cobra rockets from 3000 feet?
Because you don't care; it's a revenge killing against civilians as much as it is an anti-terrorist tactic. And therein lies the problem. The Israeli government is no better than the terrorist groups they claim to fight.
So in this situation you accept uncritically the statements of "Palestinian hospital authorities". Can they provide real proof or is this another hoax? Are they even "hospital authorities"? Who are these people? Should we condemn the jews ooops I mean "Israel" on the statements on unnamed people?
Get your head on right.
Originally posted by Scott
So in this situation you accept uncritically the statements of "Palestinian hospital authorities". Can they provide real proof or is this another hoax? Are they even "hospital authorities"? Who are these people? Should we condemn the jews ooops I mean "Israel" on the statements on unnamed people?
Get your head on right.
Have any Jews oops I mean "Israelis" ever been blown up at all? I mean, have you seen it happen? And do you have proof that an animal oops I mean a "Palestinian" was responsible for the explosion?
Originally posted by Scott
Maybe we can focus on the current topic?
You brought up the subject of the reliability of the media in this conflict. I'm just pointing out how stupid your backtracking is.
Back on topic. News report with quote from unnamed source. This is the basis to demonize Israel?
Originally posted by bunge
Have any Jews oops I mean "Israelis" ever been blown up at all? I mean, have you seen it happen? And do you have proof that an animal oops I mean a "Palestinian" was responsible for the explosion?
Scott's question was valid. The PA hospitals are not going to be the most unbiased source for casualty reports. If you want to take one side, look at the other as well.
1)The IDF released a video showing that no crowd was near the car when it was hit. The crowd gathered minuted later, too late to be hit by shrapnel.
2)Of the dead, the IDF say it confirms 7 were Hamas, including a suicide bomber that they were chasing. The two missles were precise enough that both hit the car that was targetted.
3)The missles used were intentionally not powerful enough for shrapnel to penetrate concrete.
"so without any crowds on the street when the second missile struck, and with the missiles not strong enough to damage houses lining the road, the Palestinians must be fabricating the stories of mass casualties."
So, if you listen only to the palestinian side, with an obvious bias, then the Israeli's are asshole who targetted maybe a single militant and killed and wounded dozens, with no regard for civilian safety. If you listen to the Israeli side, they took precautions like highly accurate, very low yield munitions. Of course the IDF side has proof that the Palestinian side is lying about the missle being fired into a crowed street, so I guess we must assume the rest of the Palestinian story is true.
Originally posted by Tulkas
Scott's question was valid. The PA hospitals are not going to be the most unbiased source for casualty reports. If you want to take one side, look at the other as well.
Look at both sides, good. Then why weren't you here earlier asking Scott to do this?
Originally posted by alcimedes
Originally posted by Jukebox Hero
Whats kind of sad is that, you know for damn sure, Sharon would round up the Palistinians and kill them in concentration camps if he could.
Yes, just as quickly as Georgie boy would round up all nonchristians and sell them for slave labor.