Panther Networking: No linux or PC machines seen

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zozo
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in macOS edited January 2014
With Jaguar, I just put in my networking parameters, went to "Browse Network", and slowly, oh so slowly, my colleague's shared partitions would start appearing.



I have done the exact same setup with Panther, and even added the Workgroup in the Directory Access app. No need for a WINS Server address because we dont use one.



I dont need to reboot do I? Would seem silly.



Anyway... fact o the matter is, I cant see anyone anymore.



suggestions? Do I have to enable anything? I dont think so...
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  • Reply 1 of 23
    mount_my_floppymount_my_floppy Posts: 913member
    No you don`t have to enable anything, I did`nt even touch anything in panther yet and my friends computer showed up under "network".
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  • Reply 2 of 23
    markivmarkiv Posts: 180member
    Check if the other machines on the LAN have firewall enabled, if the firewall is enabled you might have to change some setting there. You should be able to see the machines though, despite the fact sharing is enabled or disabled.
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  • Reply 3 of 23
    zozo Posts: 3,117member
    just went on to a friends PC and I'm visible on the network. Also, I appear with a name I never put in: "MAC OS X 'login-name' (login-name') and in the comments field it says "MacOS X" (this Windows XP, browsing the My Network).



    I tried accessing it and it worked. Guests cannot enter (how the hell do I give guest permission to see the "shared" folder??)



    There don't appear to be any firewalls or whatnot.



    I went into the "Sharing" control panel and saw that the name I gave was "zo" so I dont understand why all that crap is appearing above.



    I swear... Networking is the ONE WORST weakness of MacOS X. I have NEVER had it working properly, and when I do see people (in Jag) I would often enough get Kernel Panics (smb related).



    COME ON APPLE...



    having vented... any other suggestions?
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  • Reply 4 of 23
    markivmarkiv Posts: 180member
    I have 2 PC's on my network (LAN), and all I have to for sharing is goto "Sharing" in "System Preferences" and then click on "Personal File Sharing", "Windows Sharing" and also try the "Remote Login". Install all the required service packs for windows. I wish I could post a picture, but I think I don't have the privileges. SMB does suck on Jaguar, I think Panther is pretty good from networking point of view.
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  • Reply 5 of 23
    zozo Posts: 3,117member
    I just also tried getting the sys admin (a linux guy) here to look at it and cant figure it out.



    We tried connecting to known server/partion addresses with Apple+K (connect to server) and entered servers normally xxx.yy.company.org (but it tries to use AFP, which is no good). trying putting forward slashes (like you would in a Windows explorer) got nowehere e.g. \\\\xxx.yy.company.org\\ This actually give a timout.



    I really have no frikken clue what the hell is wrong.



    Again.. Jaguar DOES see everyone... slowly. Here... nothing.
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  • Reply 6 of 23
    markivmarkiv Posts: 180member
    In Panther, you do not require to type the address (smb or afp). Open any finder window, there you would see Network right above the Hard Drives, if you don't you can change the Finder preferences. Click on the network in the Window and you should be able to see comnputers on the network, I just did on mine and is working.
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  • Reply 7 of 23
    zozo Posts: 3,117member
    yeah, done that a thousand times... it SEES the various workgroups (we have 2) but within those workgroups, NOTHING appears. I even leave it open for minutes... been open, waiting for over 30 minutes now. No shared drives are appearing.





    Grrrr...



    I'm all out of ideas



    PS: The admin came along and SSHed into one of secure servers, and all works... This is crap.



    PPS: How does one allow guest access to a specific folder? Sigh... Windows just lets you right click on a folder, share the thing, and off you go. I guess the Networking manager went to work for MS... and Apple got the MS engineer.
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  • Reply 8 of 23
    markivmarkiv Posts: 180member
    There are a few things I can suggest, try using "Path Finder", this is a shareware app, that might help, or the best would be DAVE, DAV uses smb/cifs and is pretty good. I don't know how these apps would perform on Panther. One more ting would be using the good ole Terminal.app. I am sorry I could not help you much.
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  • Reply 9 of 23
    anandanand Posts: 285member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ZO

    yeah, done that a thousand times... it SEES the various workgroups (we have 2) but within those workgroups, NOTHING appears. I even leave it open for minutes... been open, waiting for over 30 minutes now. No shared drives are appearing.





    Grrrr...



    I'm all out of ideas



    PS: The admin came along and SSHed into one of secure servers, and all works... This is crap.



    PPS: How does one allow guest access to a specific folder? Sigh... Windows just lets you right click on a folder, share the thing, and off you go. I guess the Networking manager went to work for MS... and Apple got the MS engineer.



    I feel your pain and understand your problem. This is why I was shocked when 7B85 was declared GM. The networking capability is terrible. No way to have windows guest sharing (will have to wait for 3rd party). Terrible and slow connection to wintell machines. We would upgrade our machines to panther except for these major problems. The worst thing is the author of SSP (the samba sharing package) is no longer working on the project. This was a great way to set up shared SMB shares that every one could see. Aslo, I am not quite sure if Sharity will work in 10.3. That was a much better way to connect to windows machines. Lets hope apple gets on the ball and gets serious about this.
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  • Reply 10 of 23
    cowerdcowerd Posts: 579member
    Quote:

    PPS: How does one allow guest access to a specific folder?



    Share Points http://hornware.com/download.php/SharePoints321.dmg.gz



    or Netinfo

    http://www.macosxhints.com/article.p...11108161839416
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  • Reply 11 of 23
    c5jc5j Posts: 25member
    ohhh thank g*d that more people have the same problem. Thought it was just me... I'm the only mac-user at work and suddenly some cataloges were gone after panther-install. All the cred my mac gathered diseapperad really fast from my pc-friends...

    10.3.1 come now please....
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  • Reply 12 of 23
    dmband0026dmband0026 Posts: 2,345member
    So how come even though there are 3 other machines running in my house other than the one I'm on, when I go into network, none of them show up. What am I doing wrong? And when I try to connect to them (command+K in finder) I have the correct IP address, but when I type in the password and user name, it gives me an error!
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  • Reply 13 of 23
    zozo Posts: 3,117member
    fyi, just sent feedback through the usual ways:



    http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback/



    This is what I sent



    Quote:

    Just got MacOS X 10.3 and installed it at work on a G4 733MHz with 1.25GB ram.



    I have set everything up properly including Directory Access (PS WHY isnt there a button in NETWORK pref pane to Directory Access??? Or why isnt Directory Access a TAB in NETWORK???).



    Anyway, everything was setup just like in 10.2.8 when everything worked. Now... nothing. I have waited up to an hour, and still nothing appears. I have even tried connecting to known IP addresses but I get errors and timeouts.



    This is really a half-baked release. There also a lot of other things that do not work properly in Panther, but this is the most disturbing one for now.



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  • Reply 14 of 23
    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
    Same problem here, I can see others who have OSX but forget about Windows. I spent at least three hours trying to make it work. Grrrrrr, stupid Panther network issue! Aaaah who cares, Panther didn't really grab me as a must have anyway. Marginal at best performance and features make this upgrade more like 10.2.9 1/2. Still waiting for semi real time window resizing Apple!
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  • Reply 15 of 23
    shetlineshetline Posts: 4,695member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Relic

    Still waiting for semi real time window resizing Apple!



    I'm annoyed at the Windows networking problem too, but I wish this stupid idea of window resizing being a meaningful or important metric of performance would just go away.



    Die, meme, die!
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  • Reply 16 of 23
    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
    I know, but I use OSX as my main workspace. As of right now with the latest and greatest hardware from Apple I still find my self wanting. A two thousand dollar laptop shouldn't jerk like a teenager who found his daddy's Playboys. The user interface makes up a large part of the computer experience, windows chasing the mouse pointer is not what I consider a nice one. I would be more then happy to exchange most of the iCandy for a more fluid environment.
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  • Reply 17 of 23
    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
    By the way, "Die meme die!" means you chicken or coward! i don't think you know me enough to come up with that conclusion.
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  • Reply 18 of 23
    shetlineshetline Posts: 4,695member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Relic

    By the way, "Die meme die!" means you chicken or coward! i don't think you know me enough to come up with that conclusion.



    Huh? I'm not sure if I'm missing a joke here, or you're missing the meaning of the word "meme".



    Just to be clear... meme: n., a idea or unit of information, viewed analogously to a gene, virus, or other self-replicating system.
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  • Reply 19 of 23
    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
    Sorry, in German, it means something else. I thought you looked at my location. Didn't mean to jump to conclusion bad translation. Thinking in German and typing in English has it's down falls.
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  • Reply 20 of 23
    gargoylegargoyle Posts: 660member
    I have mentioned this in another thread about internet connection sharing, but the same few steps apply here. Every few days I take my new powerbook into work - mainly to show off to all the pc users, but alto to do some work.



    At home I use airport, I shut the lid.... goto work.... plug in the ethernet, then open the lid. Hey presto I am on the network, I can happily connect to our linux development web server via samba, the main fileserver, and our live servers via SSH. There is NOTHING wrong with Apples network layer in OSX, just badly configured networks and computers.



    Anyway, back on track. ALWAYS try these few steps:-



    1.) Try pinging the server/computer you are connecting to by IP address.

    2.) Try pinging the server/computer by NAME

    3.) Try connecting to the computer, remeber to put smb://<name> if you are trying to connect to windows or samba machines.
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